| 00:00.10 | haydnh | You still can't beat vi |
| 00:00.29 | PatrickC_TP | I never used vi.. |
| 00:00.49 | SoulShadow | vi ftl |
| 00:01.10 | PatrickC_TP | SoulShadow: what do you use? |
| 00:01.12 | LarrySteeze | err |
| 00:01.15 | Jack87 | by default text editor PatrickC_TP is meaning gedit |
| 00:01.18 | LarrySteeze | you have never used vi? |
| 00:01.27 | SoulShadow | i can't stand vi |
| 00:01.30 | SoulShadow | i just use gedit |
| 00:01.30 | SoulShadow | lol |
| 00:01.35 | lee | I managed to get a TouchPad the other week, anybody know if there's a functioning terminal app available for it? |
| 00:01.35 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: yes :) |
| 00:01.36 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP, VI is a shell bassed editor |
| 00:01.37 | PatrickC_TP | forgot the name |
| 00:01.48 | LarrySteeze | tell me you use komodo then |
| 00:01.51 | PatrickC_TP | lee: xterm |
| 00:02.00 | LarrySteeze | there's nothing wrong with komodo |
| 00:02.00 | PatrickC_TP | LarrySteeze: I don't use IDE's a lot |
| 00:02.01 | haydnh | Awesome for programmers, all keyboard shortcuts, so "dd" is delete a line, "5dd" delete 5 lines, "itest[esc]" insert "test", "3itest[esc]" insert "test" 3 times etc etc |
| 00:02.18 | lee | PatrickC_TP: yeah I was afraid of that, I really need to run xserver just to get a terminal? |
| 00:02.21 | rwhitby | bit hard to type Esc on a touchpad though |
| 00:02.27 | PatrickC_TP | lee: yes |
| 00:02.43 | PatrickC_TP | as far as I know no other terminal works on the touchpad |
| 00:02.50 | lee | oh well, so be it |
| 00:03.05 | lee | got to get into a terminal to faff around with ad-hoc networks |
| 00:03.07 | haydnh | still doesn't have a TP |
| 00:03.07 | rwhitby | haydnh: see /msg |
| 00:04.21 | destinal_ | rwhitby: which is the right flag to add to a user in chanserv to make them automatically considered invited in a channel? |
| 00:04.46 | destinal_ | ot I know but someone has to know this one offhand :) |
| 00:05.46 | rwhitby | destinal_: +i |
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| 00:15.39 | haydnh | Anyone know where the preware xterm key codes are, can't find them for some reason! |
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| 00:21.31 | haydnh | Anyone? |
| 00:27.41 | destinal_ | rwhitby: thanks +I (capital I) was the permanent way, got it now |
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| 00:29.16 | haydnh | wtf! I still can't find it! |
| 00:38.10 | PatrickC_TP | haydnh: why do you need the keycodes? |
| 00:39.55 | haydnh | because I keep forgetting what the shortcuts for pipe, tab etc are ;P |
| 00:41.10 | directhex | the xecutah help menu should *really* link to the key codes |
| 00:42.35 | haydnh | Anyone know what the pipe one is? |
| 00:42.39 | haydnh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.56 | haydnh | gesture+i is tab... |
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| 00:43.04 | bhuey | omg |
| 00:43.16 | bhuey | can't believe how many users are on this channel |
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| 00:47.16 | djhomeboy | WebOS is def on the rise :) |
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| 00:56.37 | rwhitby | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ka6soxs-show <- touchpad teardown live |
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| 01:14.33 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, whos doing it? |
| 01:14.52 | rhcp[linux] | I fucked some clips taking mine apart :) |
| 01:14.55 | rhcp[linux] | to fix the home button |
| 01:15.16 | rhcp[linux] | ah k6 |
| 01:18.25 | destinal_ | rhcp[linux]: ka6sox-away is |
| 01:18.30 | rhcp[linux] | yea |
| 01:18.31 | rhcp[linux] | i saw :) |
| 01:18.35 | rhcp[linux] | is it being recorded? |
| 01:18.39 | rhcp[linux] | I Missed most of it :P |
| 01:18.47 | destinal_ | he walked through how to nondestructively take the clips off |
| 01:18.55 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 01:18.57 | rhcp[linux] | nice joke :P |
| 01:19.09 | rhcp[linux] | I hope my buddy can get it back correct. he said he can |
| 01:19.10 | destinal_ | ie so you can glue them back on |
| 01:19.17 | rhcp[linux] | yea thats what he will do i think |
| 01:19.25 | rhcp[linux] | mine is all loose in upper right hand corner |
| 01:19.34 | rhcp[linux] | and the middle button is still not working (right) |
| 01:19.37 | destinal_ | rhcp[linux]: #webos-teardown |
| 01:19.41 | izza | Duct tape. :P |
| 01:19.53 | rhcp[linux] | ill wait till there is a recorded version :) |
| 01:19.57 | rhcp[linux] | would love to watch |
| 01:20.22 | izza | IDEA! |
| 01:20.39 | izza | Just abuse your battery. In time, it will swell, spreading open the casing for you! :P |
| 01:20.42 | rhcp[linux] | destinal_, is this the bricked unit sent? by jon |
| 01:21.02 | spotter | is the show over? |
| 01:21.27 | scoutcamper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.35 | spotter | guess not |
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| 02:35.41 | Logan302 | is this the channel where we can talk about male underwear stuffing? |
| 02:36.34 | Logan302 | i would love to buy a guys underwear that he has stuffed in his a$$ |
| 02:37.34 | Logan302 | the browner the better |
| 02:37.58 | RMind | where is a mod when ya need one... |
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| 02:38.25 | xaios | Hi, Can someone tell me how I can delete govnah profiles? |
| 02:38.36 | xaios | I've got govna 1.0.5 and I don't seem to be able to delete profiles |
| 02:38.54 | RMind | swiping them to the side doesn't do it? |
| 02:39.51 | xaios | wow I feel dumb now, thanks |
| 02:39.57 | xaios | I was holding and dragging it before |
| 02:40.06 | xaios | which just reordered them |
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| 02:40.28 | xaios | thanks RMind! |
| 02:40.33 | M25 | anyone on here happen to be an expert on pulseaudio? |
| 02:47.26 | haydnh | not really, why? |
| 02:48.08 | wrea | Its been awhile for me with pulseaudio. I used to package it back in the early days |
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| 02:49.58 | M25 | wrea: any ideas on how you could set up the config to stream pulseaudio sounds from the touchpad to another pulse server |
| 02:50.06 | M25 | specifically, my home media center |
| 02:50.55 | M25 | also, dtzWill, how's the xrandr stuff going? |
| 02:51.34 | haydnh | look at dlna/upnp... I have Platinum DLNA SDK cross compiled and working on my pre 3, need to write some apps using it now |
| 02:51.34 | wrea | I think there was a howto for that on the website |
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| 02:51.46 | *** kick/#webos-internals [Logan302!~rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby] by rwhitby (Logan302) |
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| 02:52.32 | haydnh | about time |
| 02:52.35 | haydnh | :) |
| 02:52.43 | wrea | M25, http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/NetworkSetup |
| 02:52.58 | M25 | seeing the +o|kick|-o thing always makes me think of someone hulking out |
| 02:54.03 | wrea | Both servers need the relevant plugins. If the touchpad doesn't have them all you need to do it make a package for them and have them install to the usr/lib dir |
| 02:56.33 | M25 | ... It appears to be as simple as setting an environment variable.... |
| 02:56.34 | M25 | wow |
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| 02:57.55 | wrea | If you do go through the trouble of compiling the other plugins it'd be cool to have them available in preware |
| 02:59.32 | M25 | oh believe me, I'm not compiling anything outside of the preware git now |
| 02:59.45 | nebula | what did I miss wrt pulseaudio? |
| 02:59.58 | M25 | I'm trying to get pulseaudio streaming working on the touchpad |
| 03:00.00 | nebula | if someone is messing with it, I'd like to be involved... |
| 03:00.02 | nebula | oh |
| 03:00.02 | nebula | :P |
| 03:00.17 | wrea | Having avahi on it with pulseaudio would make discovery a lot easier too |
| 03:00.37 | nebula | i'd like to recompile it with a2dp bitpool support in PmBt[Engine/Stack] |
| 03:00.52 | nebula | such a pain not being able to have good quality |
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| 03:01.20 | nebula | something tells me it's going to need hardcoding with pulse |
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| 03:01.30 | nebula | ie. no reversing of PmBt* |
| 03:01.51 | nebula | M25: lots of pulse stuff in /etc |
| 03:02.07 | wrea | Could always ask Lennart about it in #pulseaudio |
| 03:02.07 | M25 | yeah, that'll be where I make my permanent config fix |
| 03:02.11 | M25 | right now just testing if it'll work |
| 03:02.46 | M25 | Lennart isn't in pulseaudio right now |
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| 03:03.59 | wrea | Its been awhile, he might not be the active maintainer as he is working on systemd now |
| 03:04.19 | wrea | Well, if you ask in there someone will be able to help |
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| 03:06.59 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 03:07.22 | wrea | ? |
| 03:07.23 | PatrickC | what? lol |
| 03:07.27 | evulhotdog | does anybody here know of working haptic feedback for the TP? |
| 03:08.30 | ka6sox-away | evulhotdog, what are you going to use that for? |
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| 03:08.59 | evulhotdog | what do you mean? I am going to use it so I know when the screen realizes that It knows I touched it....as feedback. |
| 03:09.04 | NuttyBunny | Hey uNiXpSyChO ! |
| 03:09.13 | uNiXpSyChO | yo |
| 03:09.28 | evulhotdog | ka6sox-away did you mean something else by that or |
| 03:09.28 | evulhotdog | ? |
| 03:09.45 | ka6sox-away | evulhotdog, to wake up the TP? |
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| 03:09.55 | evulhotdog | wake up? |
| 03:10.09 | evulhotdog | I mean like...so when i touch the screen it viberates, in applications etc... |
| 03:10.19 | ka6sox-away | okay....understood. |
| 03:10.19 | M25 | well, now I've got no sound... |
| 03:10.40 | evulhotdog | ka6sox-away do you know of any solutions |
| 03:11.34 | ka6sox-away | nope |
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| 03:12.42 | Logan302 | lol |
| 03:14.07 | Logan302 | I love God! |
| 03:14.14 | M25 | ...didn't logan302 get kicked already? |
| 03:14.31 | PatrickC | if you get kicked, you can rejoin |
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| 03:14.58 | ka6sox-away | PatrickC, who says? |
| 03:15.07 | Logan302 | i was never kicked |
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| 03:15.15 | PatrickC | ka6sox-away: I've been kicked before |
| 03:15.19 | PatrickC | and I just rejoined |
| 03:15.29 | M25 | See, I personally would take the hint :P |
| 03:15.30 | PatrickC | now, it was just a regular kick. not a kb |
| 03:16.09 | PatrickC | M25: it was because I was asking stupid questions. I was told that once I finished doing was I was told to do, I could rejoin |
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| 03:18.01 | wrea | hmm. configure isn't finding ncurses |
| 03:18.05 | M25 | does anyone know of a good way to restart pulseaudio? Every command I try says I don't have access, and I'm already root |
| 03:18.32 | nebula | check the .d folder |
| 03:18.37 | nebula | it should be in there |
| 03:18.53 | wrea | Yeah |
| 03:19.54 | wrea | passing LDFLAGS="-L../../../cross-compile/rootfs/armv7/usr/lib" should work |
| 03:20.07 | W0lver1ne | is there anyone directly working on getting android apps working in a card? |
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| 03:22.22 | wrea | W0lver1ne, not afaik |
| 03:22.55 | M25 | W0lver1ne: that would be incredibly technically challenging |
| 03:23.19 | M25 | you'd have to get the entire android stack running on top of webOS, then get the two very different display managers to talk to each other |
| 03:23.24 | M25 | to say nothing of the memory management |
| 03:23.31 | M25 | and the fact that android runs entirely in a JVM |
| 03:23.56 | W0lver1ne | ubuntu worx in a card how is that different? |
| 03:24.32 | M25 | that's a chroot, and it's using the x11 port that dtzWill and others have spent many months on |
| 03:25.02 | M25 | android as an OS doesn't even use X, which is a standard graphical library in C, something that's relatively easy to port |
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| 03:25.32 | M25 | anyone know if android even runs on the type of kernel the touchpad comes with by default? |
| 03:27.09 | rwhitby | no |
| 03:27.33 | W0lver1ne | there is already a dual boot minus a working touchscreen |
| 03:28.07 | W0lver1ne | i figued apps would be no prob since BB does it |
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| 03:29.18 | wrea | M25, would you mind putting you makefile for sshfs on pastebin? |
| 03:29.51 | M25 | wrea: it's in the git repo, afaik. rwhitby, is this right? |
| 03:30.07 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:30.15 | rwhitby | and the package is in preware |
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| 03:31.19 | M25 | is so proud |
| 03:32.27 | wrea | :) |
| 03:32.40 | wrea | Maybe one day I'll have a few in there |
| 03:32.49 | ka6sox-away | M25...that was on rwhitby's christmas list... |
| 03:33.14 | wrea | I'm back to working on kismet. Thinking I can use it with a usb card and ext power. |
| 03:33.58 | M25 | what's kismet? |
| 03:34.13 | wrea | http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 03:34.51 | M25 | whoaaa |
| 03:34.57 | M25 | what're you poking into? |
| 03:35.20 | wrea | I think I have libnl and libpcap properly packaged, so now I'm working on kismet |
| 03:36.00 | RMind | wrea: war driving with a touchpad? |
| 03:36.48 | wrea | Yeah |
| 03:37.34 | wrea | There is a A-N usb stick with ext. antennas I'm looking at too |
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| 03:38.35 | RMind | the tp does usb host, right? just need external power? |
| 03:39.08 | wrea | Looks like it afaik. Heard people getting usb keyboards working on it too |
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| 03:46.34 | M25 | trying once more for pulse streaming |
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| 03:46.35 | M25 | woo |
| 03:47.46 | xaios | Is there any possiblity of a patch being able to rotate the emulator on the touchpad such that it can go into landscape mode? |
| 03:48.00 | tmzt | W0lver1ne: looks like somebody has a uinput proxy for the touchscreen, waiting on them ot release source |
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| 03:53.38 | roadkill | Heh. Wardriving. |
| 03:53.49 | roadkill | I still have my 18dbi Wifi Antenna. It's a 3 foot pipe. |
| 03:54.11 | roadkill | Only card I've got with an antenna jack is a PCMCIA card though |
| 03:54.14 | wrea | Antenna/beating stick |
| 03:55.34 | tmzt | W0lver1ne: oh sorry |
| 03:56.15 | roadkill | Well, it got me free internet for about 3 years when people were still using Wifi in B mode and without WEP |
| 03:57.02 | tmzt | 03:31 < W0lver1ne> there is already a dual boot minus a working touchscreen |
| 03:57.04 | roadkill | I lived in a very densely populated block full of wanna-be alisters that they all had cable when it was still too expensive to even get DSL |
| 03:57.10 | tmzt | that's why I was just responding to that comment |
| 03:57.16 | wrea | roadkill, lol |
| 03:57.21 | tmzt | about the working touchscreen |
| 04:03.48 | W0lver1ne | so does anyone actually have a touchscreen working? |
| 04:03.57 | W0lver1ne | i saw the dual doot |
| 04:04.24 | W0lver1ne | i just refuse to pay a grand for an ipad |
| 04:04.44 | W0lver1ne | can you beleive they are cahrging that? |
| 04:04.52 | W0lver1ne | charging |
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| 04:08.48 | tmzt | if HP could get away with that :) |
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| 04:12.19 | Weap0nX | Hey Guys! I just got a tp tonight. |
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| 04:12.45 | Weap0nX | I have it patched and overclocked. |
| 04:13.05 | Weap0nX | What are you guys working on |
| 04:13.23 | Weap0nX | I want to help if I can |
| 04:13.38 | wrea | wb W0lver1ne |
| 04:14.52 | geist | grats |
| 04:14.59 | Weap0nX | wow A smart one |
| 04:15.29 | tmzt | geist: why is touchpad touchpanel using uart? |
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| 04:16.02 | geist | hmm? |
| 04:16.10 | geist | what do you mean using uart? |
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| 04:16.27 | zack | hey guys can you help me wit sometin? |
| 04:16.33 | wrea | wb M25 |
| 04:16.35 | Weap0nX | yes |
| 04:16.37 | tmzt | it's using uart to output a raw data stream made up of a bitmap image of the capacitence values |
| 04:16.54 | geist | hah, is it doing that all the time? |
| 04:17.01 | M25 | so apparently the TCP module isn't on the touchpad by default |
| 04:17.08 | tmzt | after negotiating the setup over i2c, i2c is disabled and it outputs via 8060's hsuart |
| 04:17.17 | wrea | M25, not surprising |
| 04:17.17 | tmzt | yeah it seems so from stracing hidd |
| 04:17.24 | M25 | oh, and pulseaudio is apparently able to say fuckyou to root priveleges |
| 04:17.31 | geist | tmzt: if it's not actually connecting to anything, it's probably debugging |
| 04:17.43 | geist | some left over factory bits so they can test the panel |
| 04:17.43 | zack | whenever I try and download a kernel from prepare it gives me an error-check upon log how do I fix it? |
| 04:17.56 | geist | i betcha that uart just goes to a set of pads on the main board |
| 04:18.04 | zack | *preware |
| 04:18.05 | tmzt | so the firmware isn't doing finger tracking like most other installations of this controller chip do |
| 04:18.20 | geist | i dont know, i have had nothing at all to do with the touchpad |
| 04:18.24 | tmzt | no I mean hidd opens /dev/ctp_uart and reads from it as long as the touchpanel is in use |
| 04:18.36 | tmzt | yeah thought so |
| 04:18.41 | geist | ooooh, i see |
| 04:18.43 | geist | you' |
| 04:18.57 | geist | you're saying the touchpanel controller is dumping the data to the main cpu via a uart |
| 04:19.01 | geist | sure, why not? |
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| 04:19.14 | tmzt | yep, but it's not that it's the format it's using |
| 04:19.21 | tmzt | all the processing is being done in the hidd plugins |
| 04:19.31 | tmzt | instead of the firmware of the touchpanel controller |
| 04:19.32 | geist | pre did it that way too, it gets a raw matrix of capacitance values |
| 04:19.44 | zack | anyone for my problem? |
| 04:19.58 | geist | it's actually quite nice, you can fix all sorts of stuff with software and dont rely on the tp manufacturer to get it right |
| 04:20.04 | geist | generally speaking, they're idiots |
| 04:20.07 | tmzt | I thought it might have something to do with the omap3 supporting ssp better than i2c |
| 04:20.28 | geist | i think the pre talked to the panel over spi, but same principle |
| 04:21.17 | M25 | this conversation doesn't happen to be related to getting touch-screen working on cyanogenmod, does it? |
| 04:21.31 | tmzt | any idea if lk actually works on these touchpad's, we have the source for the surf 8x60 |
| 04:22.22 | tmzt | M25: of course, they are reimplementing hidd's logic as a uinput proxy and optionally as a more direct plugin to the android input infrastructure, but I don't much more about that, CM likes to release when it's 'ready' |
| 04:22.56 | geist | tmzt: well, since bootie is a derivative of lk, then there's some universe whwere it runs, alas it's locked up at hp :) |
| 04:23.12 | M25 | tmzt: I've been using computers since before I could walk... I took apart my first hard drive at 8 years old... And I have no earthly idea what the hell you just said |
| 04:23.55 | zomg | Took apart a hard drive? |
| 04:23.58 | tmzt | geist: yeah, have to get the fb driver working and strip out the init stuff ot get it booting as uimage |
| 04:24.00 | zomg | That must have been useful |
| 04:24.01 | zomg | =) |
| 04:24.07 | tmzt | but it should be usable, even with aboot app |
| 04:24.17 | tmzt | M25: same here |
| 04:24.28 | tmzt | M25: the first part :) |
| 04:24.42 | xaios | zack whats your problem? |
| 04:24.53 | geist | tmzt: cool |
| 04:24.56 | zack | whenever I try and download a kernel from prepare it gives me an error-check upon log how do I fix it? |
| 04:24.59 | tmzt | M25: hidd is the utility on webos that processes input from kernel devices and sends events to luna via a named pipe/fifo |
| 04:25.06 | zack | *preware |
| 04:25.34 | zack | ipkg log don't know how to fix it |
| 04:25.55 | tmzt | M25: uinput is a kernel driver that allows input events to be submitted to the kernel from userspace and creeats a matching input device that other processes can read from |
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| 04:26.08 | xaios | zack: Whats the exact error message? I don't know much, but I can google |
| 04:26.33 | M25 | tmzt: why do we have to route everything through the kernel? Can't we keep it in userspace? |
| 04:26.53 | geist | android loves to read all of its stuff via /dev/input/* |
| 04:27.05 | M25 | ah. That'll do it. |
| 04:27.06 | geist | we took a different tract at palm and just did hidd to cook all of it |
| 04:27.13 | tmzt | geist: this feels like getting msm_fb working from asm on the msm7x01 which would have worked if they hadn't give me the wrong layout for CE's XIP images |
| 04:27.37 | geist | you know, one thing i'm so happy about right now: not having to deal with qualcomm cpus |
| 04:27.42 | zack | check IPKG log |
| 04:27.46 | tmzt | hah yeah |
| 04:27.47 | geist | my quality of life is so much higher |
| 04:28.09 | M25 | geist: lol |
| 04:28.09 | tmzt | hope you and the omap4/nvidia/samsung/whatever are really happy together :0 |
| 04:28.22 | geist | yep |
| 04:28.22 | zack | then checks log it says kernel I have is not in factory condition but I dint have a kernel |
| 04:28.35 | geist | actually nowadays i'm mostly doing higher level OS design and less nitty gritty |
| 04:28.42 | geist | kind of nice not to have to worry about all the details |
| 04:29.01 | tmzt | I think I'm just going to play with lk on qemu before trying anything on hardware |
| 04:29.08 | tmzt | since we don't have qdl recovery or uart |
| 04:29.22 | geist | yeah, one of these days i'll brush off lk and hack on it some more |
| 04:29.39 | tmzt | it's a great approach, linux is just too heavy for this stuff |
| 04:29.47 | geist | it frankly got to a point that i was happy with given its original problem statement: get some little preemptive system that's easy to port and run on different hardware |
| 04:29.51 | M25 | geist: Man, I write backend logic for web servers professionally, I haven't even SEEN the machines I work on, much less delved into their processor setups :P |
| 04:30.10 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, what was the idea of using lk again? |
| 04:30.11 | geist | everything else from now on out is just layers and modules and drivers and stacks |
| 04:30.14 | rhcp[linux] | was it meant for dual booting? |
| 04:30.38 | rhcp[linux] | to display a menu |
| 04:30.41 | tmzt | I like the boot procedure Qi uses, reading zImage and a -cmdline from the sd card and booting from it |
| 04:30.44 | rhcp[linux] | i forget what you guys were talking about |
| 04:30.46 | M25 | geist: what's lk? |
| 04:30.46 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: yep, basically |
| 04:30.50 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, I have another way |
| 04:30.56 | rhcp[linux] | which the pre used |
| 04:30.58 | geist | M25: it's a little preemptive embedded kernel i wrote a few years back |
| 04:31.13 | geist | various companies have taken it and used it for various basis for their own projects |
| 04:31.24 | geist | andriod uses it for their default bootloader, we used it at palm for the basis for bootie |
| 04:31.28 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: we don't want to touch bootie at all (other than symlinking a uImage) until we have full qdl revoery |
| 04:31.36 | rhcp[linux] | im not touching bootie at all |
| 04:31.38 | geist | i've currently forked it and turned it into a much larger beast at $currentco |
| 04:31.38 | rhcp[linux] | pm a sec |
| 04:31.39 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 04:31.48 | M25 | geist: you wrote a kerne...wait...ANDROID USES IT?!?! |
| 04:31.49 | M25 | bows |
| 04:31.53 | tmzt | geist: android git bootloader is lk based? is that recent think or even in the 1.0 days? |
| 04:32.04 | geist | well, they have a default bootloader, hence the aboot thing |
| 04:32.09 | xaios | @zack: Give this a shot? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/208474-error-installing-see-ipkg-log-2.html#post1989770 |
| 04:32.14 | geist | though i think pretty much all of their hardware vendors use their own |
| 04:32.27 | geist | it hasn't been something android has chosen to jam down the vendor's throat |
| 04:32.41 | geist | QCT however took it for their default bootloader, so i may show up in some phones at some point |
| 04:32.52 | tmzt | no, htc just dictates everything on their hardware, that's why so much fun on the g2 :) |
| 04:33.02 | geist | M25: it's nothing big, just a little embedded system |
| 04:33.06 | geist | http://git.newos.org/?p=lk.git;a=summary |
| 04:33.29 | geist | i've found it handy to get running on a board and play around from |
| 04:34.06 | M25 | I've never heard of anyone writing their own kernel... Usually everyone just ports some small version of linux |
| 04:34.12 | zack | Ty I will try it |
| 04:34.20 | geist | oh geez yeah i've been writing oses for the last 10 years |
| 04:34.30 | geist | actually lk is the small one, the much larger system i wrote about 8 years ago called newos |
| 04:34.37 | geist | and then that got forked and is the kernel for the haiku project |
| 04:34.47 | Jack87 | wonders if we should save a lot of developer.palm pages somewhere incase hp pulls the plug one day |
| 04:34.53 | geist | currently working on a microkernel version of lk, kind of neat |
| 04:35.08 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: that symlinks the uImage each boot |
| 04:35.23 | M25 | geist: that is neat... Other than the microkernel version, what does lk have that linux doesn't? |
| 04:35.34 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, correct |
| 04:35.35 | geist | fits into about 10K of ram :) |
| 04:35.39 | rhcp[linux] | with a gui boot picker |
| 04:35.43 | M25 | jawfloor |
| 04:35.49 | geist | botts within a couple 10 ms |
| 04:35.55 | rhcp[linux] | doesnt touch bootie at all |
| 04:36.11 | tmzt | it's not intended to replace linux that i know of, mostly for things like bootloaders possibly embedded os's on certain hardware |
| 04:36.12 | geist | that's why it worked great for bootie. bootie is pretty sophisticated, totally preemptive, multithreaded |
| 04:36.40 | M25 | is linux preemptive? Also, OSX and windows? |
| 04:36.49 | geist | most people dont notice it but you can novacom into bootie multiple times, and each one is running a distinct shell |
| 04:37.06 | geist | they do hardware testing with that, you can test different pieces of hardware simultaneously |
| 04:37.09 | tmzt | saw that, helpful since actually exiting novaterm without usb disconnect doesn't seem to work |
| 04:37.13 | tmzt | :) |
| 04:37.24 | geist | you can just kill the novaterm session |
| 04:37.33 | zack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.43 | zack | *got |
| 04:37.53 | M25 | geist: ^ |
| 04:38.19 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: I'm looking for a solution that gives a menu and can boot different kernels/initrds/cmdlines etc. without chaing the bootie config |
| 04:38.38 | geist | anyway, i'm a os hacker in a rapidly diminishing world of places that need OSes |
| 04:38.39 | tmzt | we also need a qdl recovery method which we know should be possible as this device should not be sboot2 enabled |
| 04:38.39 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, you can use what i pasted you. |
| 04:38.42 | rhcp[linux] | it doesnt touch bootie |
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| 04:38.55 | rhcp[linux] | and from what i hear. someone has a usb boot working for TP |
| 04:39.17 | tmzt | so the project is still fractured, nothing is gathered in one place |
| 04:39.30 | rhcp[linux] | you can blame cm for that |
| 04:39.41 | tmzt | the hardware might not need modem but it still needs an amss mbn |
| 04:39.44 | rhcp[linux] | invilually i dont have anything wrong with them. |
| 04:39.55 | rhcp[linux] | but, this should be a whole group project and get it done |
| 04:39.55 | tmzt | also, lk git can build an appsboot.mbn but we can't use it |
| 04:39.56 | rhcp[linux] | but w/e |
| 04:39.57 | rhcp[linux] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.06 | rhcp[linux] | im not going to cry over it |
| 04:40.10 | tmzt | there's a lot of blame to go around :0 |
| 04:40.18 | rhcp[linux] | i dont care tbh |
| 04:40.50 | rhcp[linux] | if you werent drunk we'd have something cool to show off :P |
| 04:40.53 | tmzt | the point of a project like this is to educate people, to get knowledge that is normally behind closed doors out there |
| 04:41.08 | rhcp[linux] | oh well |
| 04:41.10 | rhcp[linux] | thats normal |
| 04:41.12 | tmzt | I don't really care about symlinking it's not an interesting solution when it requires an extra reboot |
| 04:41.31 | rhcp[linux] | then figure out LK :) |
| 04:41.33 | rhcp[linux] | for tp |
| 04:41.34 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:41.42 | tmzt | we also know that cm is doing there own thing and might someday have a release for tp |
| 04:41.50 | rhcp[linux] | someday |
| 04:41.57 | rhcp[linux] | maybe in a year like the SGS models |
| 04:42.00 | tmzt | yeah but we need qdl, I don't think it wants to chain |
| 04:42.14 | tmzt | or I've got a lot more to strip out |
| 04:42.16 | rhcp[linux] | why would you want to fool with qualcom? |
| 04:42.35 | tmzt | we can ramboot through qdl without touching the flash/emmc |
| 04:42.54 | tmzt | and we can replace appsboot to test it |
| 04:43.05 | rhcp[linux] | not on my TP you are not |
| 04:43.06 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:43.12 | tmzt | or we can get it to chain through bootie |
| 04:43.22 | rhcp[linux] | im not fooling around in the qualcom crap anymore |
| 04:43.23 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:43.27 | rhcp[linux] | i can smell a brick waiting |
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| 04:44.08 | geist | do not |
| 04:44.24 | rhcp[linux] | symlink + extra reboot is fine |
| 04:44.26 | geist | as i was telling someone in private, the newer msm8ks you do *not* want to mess around with the modem firmware partitions |
| 04:44.29 | rhcp[linux] | it worked fine for the pre |
| 04:44.33 | geist | that's brick country |
| 04:44.37 | rhcp[linux] | geist, i know |
| 04:44.40 | rhcp[linux] | I have the full dump |
| 04:44.42 | rhcp[linux] | what each do |
| 04:44.49 | geist | in previous msm chipsets (msm7k or so) all of that junk was hidden on the modem flash |
| 04:44.49 | tmzt | right we aren't intending to change anything in flash |
| 04:45.02 | geist | so by the time it got to the mmc flash it was already running the modem firmware |
| 04:45.04 | tmzt | instead to find a ramboot method |
| 04:45.16 | geist | as long as you didn't hose the modem flash, it was more or less unbrickable |
| 04:45.22 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, I think the one i gave you. linked to |
| 04:45.23 | rhcp[linux] | is safe |
| 04:45.25 | rhcp[linux] | and easy |
| 04:45.30 | geist | the newer msm8ks expose all that junk on mmc. which is handy because its one less chip, but it's a lot more dangerous |
| 04:45.53 | tmzt | but they have to have something in rom to boot the emmc |
| 04:46.06 | rhcp[linux] | yea a kernel on /boot |
| 04:46.08 | rhcp[linux] | bit deal |
| 04:46.11 | rhcp[linux] | thats not going to brick you |
| 04:46.30 | tmzt | especially since as we found in g2 they don't use the boot modes on the emmc exactly as intended and actually start in a limited mmc 4.0 protocol |
| 04:46.58 | geist | yep, mmc 4.2+ adds a limited boot mode where if you toggle some lines it'll just start spewing out the first N sectors |
| 04:47.05 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: sure it's safe but that's not the point |
| 04:47.07 | geist | intended for very cheezy micros and built in roms |
| 04:47.17 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, safe is the point. imho |
| 04:47.32 | tmzt | geist: scotty2 found on g2 that those modes were not enabled in the configuration |
| 04:47.35 | rhcp[linux] | unless someone drops qualcom bootloader unbrick |
| 04:47.38 | rhcp[linux] | or a usbboot |
| 04:48.03 | tmzt | and they were actually using the mmc protocol from the start, that could be wrong and we haven't bothered with that level of investigation on the tp |
| 04:48.12 | geist | suit yourself |
| 04:48.30 | rhcp[linux] | yea, im not fucking with that crap |
| 04:48.40 | rhcp[linux] | i got better things to do then brick things |
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| 04:49.16 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: dude I'm not doing anything to your tp, I"m just saying that that method is not interesting, it should work fine and you have the code to use it |
| 04:49.29 | rhcp[linux] | yea |
| 04:49.31 | rhcp[linux] | i understand. |
| 04:49.34 | rhcp[linux] | just not going to play with it |
| 04:49.40 | rhcp[linux] | safe only |
| 04:49.48 | tmzt | just trying to understand the early boot proceedure of the qsd/apk8x60 |
| 04:49.58 | tmzt | which has nothing to do with the ext2 /boot partition |
| 04:50.12 | rhcp[linux] | if i had funding like CM does. id brick 4 as well :) |
| 04:50.13 | rhcp[linux] | but i dont |
| 04:51.37 | rhcp[linux] | i wish you were not drunk so we could play with the UART stuff |
| 04:51.43 | rhcp[linux] | but oh well |
| 04:51.51 | rhcp[linux] | wont have my TP for a week or so |
| 04:51.53 | rhcp[linux] | after today |
| 04:52.44 | tmzt | I'm waiting for that code to be released so we can all work on it |
| 04:52.52 | tmzt | no point in one of us having it |
| 04:53.10 | rhcp[linux] | its never going to be released. unless i drop the project. |
| 04:53.17 | M25 | wait, who's drunk? |
| 04:53.19 | rhcp[linux] | which could be coming soon |
| 04:53.20 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 04:53.24 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt suppoedly |
| 04:53.24 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:53.29 | tmzt | and no point in us all going back and reimplmenting it, the fact that it's just setting the speed with those first two ioctl's in interesting |
| 04:53.30 | rhcp[linux] | he types too well to be drunk |
| 04:53.31 | rhcp[linux] | if you ask me |
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| 04:53.58 | lisurgec | what's up guys |
| 04:55.06 | tmzt | is android running on pre/pre2? if they use a similar touchscreen interface it should be possible to share code with that |
| 04:55.10 | tmzt | same for native X, etc. |
| 04:55.27 | rhcp[linux] | not the same touch |
| 04:55.34 | rhcp[linux] | or else this would be done by alot of people |
| 04:55.35 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:55.39 | lisurgec | i'm trying to start deving... has content.developer.palm.com moved to hp? |
| 04:55.40 | tmzt | same raw matrix |
| 04:59.21 | destinal_ | geist: I miss omap usb boot. I don't think anyone here has figured out booting the msm based palm / hp devices from USB yet so if bootie gets killed you're pretty much hosed |
| 05:00.02 | destinal_ | I guess I just miss the TI SoC's in general :-/ |
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| 05:00.41 | geist | for pixie i put in a primary recovery mechanism |
| 05:00.45 | rhcp[linux] | destinal_, people in CM have so i hear |
| 05:00.49 | rhcp[linux] | and it comes from a good source |
| 05:00.56 | geist | basicalyl was an extremely stripped out version of bootie that lived on the modem flash, let you do a usb DFU recover |
| 05:01.08 | geist | so provided the modem flash didn't get wiped you could completely hose the mmc flash |
| 05:01.18 | geist | but i have no idea whats going on with these new sets of msm cpus |
| 05:01.20 | destinal_ | geist: nice |
| 05:02.00 | destinal_ | rhcp[linux]: cool, hopefully it gets released -- what is up with all these teams with secret toys anyway |
| 05:02.22 | chpwn | destinal_: from what I can tell, that would be Android :( |
| 05:02.39 | rhcp[linux] | destinal_, dono. most of them are your buddies |
| 05:02.40 | rhcp[linux] | ask |
| 05:02.40 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 05:02.44 | tmzt | no secrets |
| 05:03.03 | tmzt | if anybody owns the uinput proxy code floating around please properly host it somewhere |
| 05:03.10 | tmzt | and give the community permission to use it |
| 05:03.37 | rhcp[linux] | the thunderbolt src. was kept closed because they said they couldnt merge it as LTE would break the device tree 100% |
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| 05:03.44 | rhcp[linux] | solition? move it to a diff git |
| 05:03.48 | rhcp[linux] | took about 2 months |
| 05:04.10 | rhcp[linux] | and i think it only happened due to pressure + some other group posted full src on git |
| 05:04.11 | rhcp[linux] | before |
| 05:04.12 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 05:04.20 | tmzt | geist: right, but every cpu has to boot from something so either there is so parallel flash, the emmc exposes a parallel boot block, or the apk has a rom loader similar to the omap3 |
| 05:04.34 | tmzt | we believe, without access to nda docs, that it is the third option |
| 05:04.42 | destinal_ | geist: you mentioned hidd earlier -- we've asked for source code for that from palm and then HP but no dice as of yet .. we've reverse engineered it partially as well but not quite there yet. hidd always seemed to me like an unnecessary middleman between kernel and luna |
| 05:04.51 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt, I have the datasheet to the touchscreen chip |
| 05:04.54 | rhcp[linux] | that's NDA'ed |
| 05:05.00 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 05:05.05 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: I don't want or need that |
| 05:05.16 | tmzt | we already know it's in a different mode than most app notes |
| 05:05.23 | rhcp[linux] | shrug |
| 05:05.27 | rhcp[linux] | its interesting to read |
| 05:05.45 | destinal_ | geist: why not have luna read directly from kernel devices? |
| 05:06.01 | booto | rhcp[linux]: what's "the uinput proxy code"? (I know what uinput is) |
| 05:06.34 | rhcp[linux] | he means to send the raw data to the uinput |
| 05:06.47 | rhcp[linux] | the X / Y /Z raw data |
| 05:07.18 | booto | destinal_: were you one of the people doing http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd ? |
| 05:07.28 | destinal_ | booto: yup |
| 05:07.45 | booto | I have some more details about the priv struct if you're interested |
| 05:07.55 | destinal_ | booto: absolutely would be |
| 05:08.11 | rhcp[linux] | i think tmzt and I have some stuff too |
| 05:08.12 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 05:08.15 | booto | ok, I'll fwd them on when I get home |
| 05:08.16 | rhcp[linux] | with all the damn reversing |
| 05:08.24 | geist | tmzt: older msm7ks couldn't boot from emmc, only raw nand |
| 05:08.26 | destinal_ | I figured people would be reversing it further to get at the touchscreen but I hadn't heard the details |
| 05:08.32 | geist | so you had to plug in a raw nand and boot the modem cpu first |
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| 05:08.39 | geist | it would chain load something that would then load from mmc |
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| 05:13.02 | rwhitby | rhcp[linux]: unless the thing you are talking about is publicly and legally accessible, please don't mention it in this channel |
| 05:13.23 | rhcp[linux] | you can email them to get the .pdf |
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| 05:13.25 | rhcp[linux] | thats how i got it |
| 05:13.27 | rhcp[linux] | so i guess its legal |
| 05:13.32 | rhcp[linux] | i didnt sign anything |
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| 05:13.43 | tmzt | rhcp[linux]: what thing are you talking about? |
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| 05:13.49 | rhcp[linux] | the datasheet |
| 05:13.52 | rhcp[linux] | cypress sent me it |
| 05:14.08 | rwhitby | the one that you yourself said was NDA'ed |
| 05:14.13 | tmzt | if you received it from cypress by asking why do you think it's nda? |
| 05:14.16 | rhcp[linux] | it may be for al i know |
| 05:14.20 | rhcp[linux] | i didnt sign anything though |
| 05:14.23 | tmzt | that would be the opposite |
| 05:14.31 | rhcp[linux] | i can post the email to you in private |
| 05:14.33 | rhcp[linux] | you can tell me |
| 05:14.36 | rhcp[linux] | i signed nothing though |
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| 05:26.20 | PatrickC_TP | will save/restore back up launcher pages in 2.x too? |
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| 05:26.54 | Jack87 | PatrickC_TP, i am pretty sure launcher pages are backed up by default webos backup |
| 05:27.06 | Jack87 | even in the touchpad |
| 05:27.06 | PatrickC_TP | Jack87: I thought so too |
| 05:27.10 | PatrickC_TP | and they used to be |
| 05:27.27 | PatrickC_TP | but I just restored my pre- and doctored back to 2.1, and my launcher pages are gone |
| 05:28.04 | SineOt | PatrickC_TP: They changed back end stuff to disallow backups for 'unknown' devices. |
| 05:28.15 | SineOt | And a Pre- with 2.1 would be an 'unknown' device |
| 05:28.32 | SineOt | Did it restore anything other than apps> |
| 05:28.39 | PatrickC_TP | SineOt: yeah, my text list is empty.. |
| 05:28.42 | PatrickC_TP | not that I can see |
| 05:28.47 | PatrickC_TP | well, it restored accounts |
| 05:29.42 | PatrickC_TP | is there a way around that? |
| 05:29.53 | SineOt | Memos? Calendar? It might just be that you got to experience those changes first hand |
| 05:29.55 | PatrickC_TP | I'm going to try and use Impostah to get around it, but not sure if it'll work |
| 05:30.18 | SineOt | Doubtful. It's something on the backend to do with the backup stuff. I don't think Impostah would help any |
| 05:30.28 | PatrickC_TP | memos are there |
| 05:30.33 | PatrickC_TP | and I don't use the calendar |
| 05:30.50 | SineOt | Huh. Then yeah, no idea. |
| 05:31.28 | PatrickC_TP | yeah.. my phone is always weird lol |
| 05:31.34 | PatrickC_TP | I'm hoping that it didn't corrupt the data |
| 05:31.38 | PatrickC_TP | I'm moving to a pre2 soon |
| 05:31.42 | PatrickC_TP | crosses fingers |
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| 05:48.54 | PuffTheMagic_ | hmmmm -> geist> tmzt: well, since bootie is a derivative of lk, then there's some universe whwere it runs, alas it's locked up at hp :) |
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| 06:01.26 | PuffTheMagic_ | geist: wish you said some of this ~2 years ago :/ |
| 06:03.08 | geist | hah, i think i did |
| 06:03.49 | PuffTheMagic_ | well, never knew lk was your baby or that bootie came from it |
| 06:04.33 | geist | oh sure |
| 06:05.48 | rwhitby | geist: you did :) |
| 06:06.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | saying bootie was based on his own kernel is not the same as saying the lk on codeaurora's git repo is his work |
| 06:07.32 | geist | yeahm, it's apparently quite strange for the hp folk, they were getting drops of essentially a bizarro bootie from QCT to boot the cpus they're working on |
| 06:08.34 | destinal_ | geist: I saw the list of commands the pre3 spits out of bootie, was pretty amazed http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie#Pre3 |
| 06:08.53 | tmzt | but it is isn't it? the lk in caf is forked from newos? |
| 06:09.07 | geist | yeah, that looks like pre3 has the full debug version |
| 06:09.19 | geist | generally there's a retail version taht is greatly stripped out that ships |
| 06:09.20 | destinal_ | geist: yeah that's what I figured, you had mentioned it a while back |
| 06:09.35 | geist | and they were using the pre3 for factory testing i think too |
| 06:09.43 | geist | they basicalyl have scripts that novaterm in and do hw testing |
| 06:10.12 | tmzt | oh wow |
| 06:10.24 | geist | they were talking about moving to that model when i was leaving |
| 06:10.37 | geist | and i know the low level sw guys were pretty pro bootie, so they went with it |
| 06:11.22 | tmzt | pre3 is 7x30? |
| 06:11.27 | destinal_ | geist: hey the presence of saveenv does allow some really interesting things (although one would wish to tread lightly) |
| 06:11.47 | tmzt | nothing to talk with amss though, I'm suprised |
| 06:12.14 | geist | yeah, not too bad though |
| 06:12.21 | geist | you know the T variables vs the non T vars right? |
| 06:12.38 | geist | the T vars are temporary, only for that one boot, until you save them, then it overrides the var the next time around |
| 06:12.42 | destinal_ | geist: yeah |
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| 06:12.55 | phni | hi |
| 06:13.02 | geist | basicalyl the T vars are set in memory and then loaded from the env partition |
| 06:13.14 | tmzt | hotspot? |
| 06:13.20 | phni | Hi All |
| 06:13.28 | PuffTheMagic_ | wonders what would been if if geist had gotten bootie opensourced way back when |
| 06:13.33 | destinal_ | geist: I wished for saveenv to write those back to the "nvram" section for a long time, we've even written a tool to edit nvram since we didn't have that :) |
| 06:13.35 | phni | is anyone help me unlock code for HP Veer |
| 06:13.54 | geist | yeah, i had actually removed it mostly to keep the factory guys from abusing it |
| 06:14.03 | geist | but of course the nvram section is quite easy to deal with |
| 06:14.11 | destinal_ | yeah |
| 06:14.22 | geist | as is the bootie env section |
| 06:14.34 | geist | which i had actually planned on removinmg, but it became too convenient |
| 06:14.51 | geist | but i wanted them to be seperate, so in theory you never touch nvram and the bootie env is a bit less permanent |
| 06:16.08 | destinal_ | geist: yeah, kind of sad to see the palm / hp hardware stuff go away, I hope some of this gets open sourced |
| 06:16.21 | destinal_ | would hate to see bootie just vanish off the face of the planet |
| 06:16.24 | geist | yeah, there was always a push to open source bootie |
| 06:16.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | even if it does get opensourced, idk how that helps it get on new hardware |
| 06:16.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | officially |
| 06:17.26 | destinal_ | PuffTheMagic_: well who knows, some vendors may adopt it, but at least it means we could port it to new hardware or learn from it |
| 06:18.00 | tmzt | how big is the bootie codebase compared to lk itself? |
| 06:18.05 | tmzt | it's an app? |
| 06:18.13 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal_: its one thing if I can get webos on a new phone usable for me, but getting on my parents phones is another thing |
| 06:18.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | and the masses... |
| 06:18.18 | geist | well, lk has most of the interesting bits. the kenrel is virtually the same |
| 06:18.43 | geist | most of the bootie stuff is peripheral bits. mmc stack, file system drivers, novacom, env, nvram, etc |
| 06:19.01 | geist | and of course whatever low level boot code is needed for that particular target |
| 06:20.34 | tmzt | the low level boot is built as part of lk though? |
| 06:20.51 | geist | well, lk doesn't have all the boot code that was tuned for a particular device |
| 06:20.57 | geist | sdram setup, etc |
| 06:21.01 | geist | it's all target specific bits |
| 06:21.01 | tmzt | bootie is more like a command shell and some utilities (not as binaries but similair concept) |
| 06:21.17 | tmzt | right, in target, platform etc. |
| 06:21.22 | tmzt | at least in the caf version |
| 06:21.25 | geist | right, more or less the same command processor in lk |
| 06:21.42 | geist | it basicalyl starts a thread and calls the function |
| 06:22.26 | tmzt | that makes sense, do you think lk can chain into lk ? |
| 06:22.34 | tmzt | such as bootie into an lk aboot build |
| 06:22.48 | geist | oh that's also ubnique to bootie, the code to deal with uimages and whatnot |
| 06:23.03 | geist | not particularly complicated, it's just a bunch of crap to parse and make linux happy |
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| 06:23.17 | tmzt | yay atags |
| 06:23.40 | tmzt | is it sharing code with lboot? |
| 06:23.47 | geist | what's lboot? |
| 06:23.48 | PuffTheMagic_ | things gesit should just chinese wall the bootie code to us and call it a day |
| 06:23.57 | ka6sox | heh |
| 06:24.06 | geist | i dont work there anymore, and thus have no access to any of that code |
| 06:24.15 | tmzt | lboot - boot linux image |
| 06:24.24 | tmzt | have to assume that means raw zImage |
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| 06:24.36 | geist | lboot in what context? was that a bootie command? |
| 06:24.40 | tmzt | yeah |
| 06:24.41 | PuffTheMagic_ | geist: older code is good too |
| 06:24.54 | geist | PuffTheMagic_: come on, dont even ask me for that |
| 06:25.09 | tmzt | geist: so it's possible to teach lk's command process the bootie commands? |
| 06:25.16 | tmzt | basically reimplment it |
| 06:25.21 | geist | well, sure. why not? |
| 06:25.38 | tmzt | no of course |
| 06:25.46 | tmzt | kind of a stupid question on my part |
| 06:25.57 | geist | they're basically a somewhat closely related cousin |
| 06:26.09 | geist | bootie just has a buncho f specific commands specific to booting stuff on hpalm hardware |
| 06:26.15 | geist | otherwise it's more or less the same thing |
| 06:26.32 | tmzt | yeah, and uimage which is actually quite useful |
| 06:26.52 | tmzt | it was a bit of a pain to figure out the exact format to boot a combo image but it worked |
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| 06:28.06 | geist | yeah, i remember thinking of building a new format and then just deciding that uimage was good enough |
| 06:28.07 | destinal_ | tmzt: didn't older webos hardware not have initrd and just run /sbin/init off off the rootfs or something? |
| 06:28.13 | geist | no reason reinventing that |
| 06:28.21 | geist | yep |
| 06:28.22 | PuffTheMagic_ | geist: im not really serious, Palm/HP hardware has been dead to me as a sprint user for 1.5 years, bootie code cant help that |
| 06:28.27 | tmzt | geist: too bad android didn't feel the same way |
| 06:28.39 | tmzt | I'm guessing that was more HTC's doing but I don't know |
| 06:28.45 | geist | yep, they definitely love to reinvent wheels |
| 06:28.57 | Maqs | i tried to start sb2 with -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7, but it keeps telling me that i need to specify a target.. i tried -t armv7 etc. without success. any ideas? |
| 06:29.35 | destinal_ | PuffTheMagic_: yeah, the whole sprint thing sucked -- I really like the concept of GSM, shame the difference between providers isn't just whose SIM you insert |
| 06:29.47 | destinal_ | re sprint and verizon etc |
| 06:29.59 | tmzt | can't change the radio card? |
| 06:30.04 | geist | yah, that's why i'm AT&T 100%. have had the same sim in a bunch of different phones |
| 06:30.11 | geist | and my android buddies keep hooking me up with new hardware |
| 06:30.24 | destinal_ | tmzt: well that was the neat thing about pre (both castle and roadrunner) |
| 06:30.30 | destinal_ | swapping comm boards |
| 06:30.54 | destinal_ | alas that's gone with the qualcomm switch |
| 06:31.06 | tmzt | so pre3 is 7x30? |
| 06:31.21 | tmzt | would have to do some dirty stuff to make it work on sprint |
| 06:31.26 | geist | must be, or the bootie wouldn't be that large |
| 06:31.41 | destinal_ | MSM8x55 I think? |
| 06:31.41 | geist | bootie was always held back on omap3 designs by having to fit in 64k of ram |
| 06:32.17 | tmzt | geist: it's in flash on omap3 or limited to the boot block or why |
| 06:32.32 | geist | loaded into 64KB of sram before initializing dram |
| 06:32.51 | tmzt | ah |
| 06:32.56 | destinal_ | could always do 2-stage but yeah that's why the TI bootie was compressed when pixi's wasn't |
| 06:33.03 | destinal_ | forgot about that |
| 06:33.06 | geist | right |
| 06:33.21 | geist | really wanted to avoid it, it made it extremely easy to have exactly one bootie image for pre |
| 06:33.36 | geist | you could load it over the TI usb loader and it'd work, jam it onto flash, chain load it from another bootie, etc |
| 06:33.45 | geist | it didn't assume anything about the setup of the hardware already |
| 06:33.45 | tmzt | so lk can be built for different machines in the same image? |
| 06:33.51 | geist | yep. once code tree |
| 06:34.24 | geist | but built specifically for one family of hardware |
| 06:34.32 | tmzt | I"m really going to have to find my own tp, only open apk device out there |
| 06:34.44 | geist | pretty much the same way lk works. PROJECT=beagleboard-test make |
| 06:34.45 | tmzt | apq |
| 06:35.11 | tmzt | yeah I built it for surf8x60 yesterday, extremly easy |
| 06:35.37 | tmzt | not having one though makes it hard to actaully do anything with but that's another matter |
| 06:39.58 | haydn | 7:40am... time for a beer... stupid night shifts :( |
| 06:40.22 | dragoon | nearly knock off time, which will be time for beer |
| 06:41.25 | destinal_ | has a beagleboard on the shelf, should try lk on it. |
| 06:42.43 | haydn | No more work until Saturday.... yippee! |
| 06:42.56 | tmzt | destinal_: and webos? |
| 06:43.01 | geist | yep, it should work. just jam it on a mmc card and load it via uboot |
| 06:43.15 | destinal_ | tmzt: heh actually that might be fun |
| 06:43.59 | destinal_ | never ran webos on anything you could connect a monitor to :) |
| 06:44.17 | destinal_ | (well save x86 / emu build anyway) |
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| 06:46.32 | destinal_ | geist: so would you consider experimenting with lk to be a good way to get started with low level ARM programming? |
| 06:46.44 | geist | not a bad way |
| 06:46.54 | geist | at leasty ou have a working system to add code too and play around with |
| 06:47.28 | geist | you just need a arm-elf toolchain. you can build one or grab one of the ones off codesourcery's site |
| 06:47.29 | tmzt | had considered porting it to msm7x0x, then considered otherwise :) |
| 06:47.47 | geist | yeah, really i wouldn't bother fooling with any of the msm chips unless you have a reason to |
| 06:47.56 | geist | beagle or pandaboards are so nice to fool with |
| 06:48.11 | tmzt | well I did, was porting linux on the touch pro/touch pro 2 |
| 06:48.16 | tmzt | but not anymore |
| 06:48.19 | ka6sox | ya, I really don't want to give Qualcomm my Firstborne. |
| 06:49.20 | geist | sadly they have a really nice ARM core |
| 06:49.27 | geist | they have a real first rate cpu design group |
| 06:50.13 | tmzt | and this insane other os you have to talk to do anything |
| 06:50.17 | tmzt | and keep everything secret |
| 06:50.23 | geist | hmm? |
| 06:50.27 | tmzt | and yes, I know it's gotten better |
| 06:50.38 | tmzt | with the apps core doing more low level stuff |
| 06:50.43 | tmzt | geist: amss |
| 06:50.56 | geist | ah yeah. they've gotten better about offloading that |
| 06:50.56 | tmzt | and qdsp/adsp, but TI has one of those too |
| 06:51.21 | tmzt | I'm not even sure how much of an amss is in the apq's since they have no modem |
| 06:51.33 | geist | i'm sure it's still there, probably just powered down |
| 06:51.35 | tmzt | no smd or anything I could find but I didn't look much |
| 06:52.47 | geist | B_DO_NOT_CARE |
| 06:54.32 | destinal_ | yeah actually, much easier to power it off than redesign the SoC |
| 06:54.38 | tmzt | I keep forgetting |
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| 07:27.17 | ice8lue | good morning! |
| 07:27.46 | destinal_ | ka6sox: I think they're using A6 for this now |
| 07:27.52 | destinal_ | though I could be wrong |
| 07:28.21 | ice8lue | does one of you have a pre3? |
| 07:28.36 | destinal_ | ice8lue: hmm, rwhitby? |
| 07:28.56 | destinal_ | ice8lue: not a lot of pre3's around |
| 07:29.04 | tmzt | destinal_: probably sbw |
| 07:29.22 | ice8lue | not even you guys? oh... |
| 07:29.49 | ice8lue | hm i'm a little surprised although it has 8GB of internal memory, i just can access ~5GB |
| 07:30.17 | destinal_ | ice8lue: that much taken up by the OS and log directories and so on? |
| 07:30.40 | ice8lue | but 3GB? i think i had 15 of 16GB on my Pre2 |
| 07:31.13 | ice8lue | i thought the OS stuff was located somewhere else |
| 07:31.17 | destinal_ | ice8lue: have you checked out the partitions / lvm volumes on your pre3 yet? |
| 07:31.26 | destinal_ | figured out what's where? |
| 07:31.29 | ice8lue | no. how to do that? |
| 07:33.55 | destinal_ | ice8lue: so, for partitions, you can use fdisk -l from a shell on the device (though you'd have to install optware and ipkg-opt install whatever package has it) |
| 07:34.08 | destinal_ | the LVM tools should already be on there to list lvm volumes |
| 07:34.49 | ice8lue | ;) ok, gimme a second |
| 07:34.53 | destinal_ | http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm .. hmmm pvdisplay? |
| 07:35.08 | geist | pvdisplay, vgdisplay, vgdisplay |
| 07:35.15 | geist | lvdisplay |
| 07:35.37 | ka6sox | yup. |
| 07:35.40 | ka6sox | good stuff. |
| 07:36.07 | ka6sox | they seem to programme the A6 via JTAG upon boot. |
| 07:36.20 | rwhitby | ice8lue: all the MSM stuff, /var, filecache, db8, etc take up the other 3G |
| 07:36.46 | destinal_ | ice8lue: and fdisk is in util-linux, you can ipkg-opt update && ipkg-opt install util-linux |
| 07:36.51 | ice8lue | rwhitby: hmz... not that nice. but it's a great device though |
| 07:36.51 | tmzt | ka6sox: wheer do you see that? |
| 07:36.57 | destinal_ | ice8lue: but rwhitby has the answer for you there :) |
| 07:37.11 | rwhitby | ice8lue: I'm still hoping my order for a 16GB Pre 3 will magically appear |
| 07:37.45 | ice8lue | rwhitby: i dont really believe they even exist |
| 07:38.04 | ice8lue | but giving them out to developers would be great |
| 07:38.22 | rwhitby | ice8lue: two different suppliers (who may have the same upstream) are telling me next week |
| 07:38.41 | rwhitby | but I only 40% believe them |
| 07:38.41 | geist | what do the msm partitiosn look like? |
| 07:38.53 | geist | are they a huge pile of little ones or just one big 'msm stuff is here' |
| 07:38.54 | rwhitby | geist: full 10 or 11 msm partition |
| 07:39.07 | geist | ... using MBR? |
| 07:39.56 | rwhitby | mbr, fat, cfg_data, osbl, efs2, fota, modem_st1, modem_st2, adsp, modem_golden, modem_pad |
| 07:40.00 | ice8lue | well... good luck ;) do you think it will ever get updates? |
| 07:40.08 | geist | sweet |
| 07:40.22 | rwhitby | that's pre 3 |
| 07:40.40 | tmzt | program the a6? |
| 07:40.54 | rwhitby | for touchpad it's fat, cfg_dat, spbl, appssbl, qcsbl, efs2, fota, apps, oemsbl, modem_st1, modem_st2 |
| 07:41.27 | rwhitby | there does seem to be a lot of wasted space in there |
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| 07:43.37 | ice8lue | maybe we could build a cleaner? |
| 07:44.33 | rwhitby | good luck compacting it. there be dragons. |
| 07:44.41 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 07:44.57 | tmzt | yep, don't do that |
| 07:45.08 | tmzt | those things are not part of webos, they are part of amss |
| 07:45.23 | ice8lue | what's amss? |
| 07:45.39 | tmzt | advanced mobile subscriber system, the qualcomm firmware basically |
| 07:46.12 | ice8lue | ah |
| 07:52.45 | wrea | hmm, looks like libpanel isnt included with ncurses |
| 08:08.05 | loswillios | I see cifs,nfs support now, cheers. Is there an interface for it or do I mount -o nfs... via xterm or dropbear? |
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| 08:10.55 | wrea | no interface |
| 08:11.55 | loswillios | thanks |
| 08:12.11 | wrea | np |
| 08:13.22 | loswillios | installs dropbear |
| 08:13.39 | loswillios | as I understand xterm is still in the testing feed |
| 08:14.20 | wrea | Yeah |
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| 08:39.43 | Jack87 | i wonder why they even released an 8gig pre3 just seems so backwords considering pre2s are all 16 |
| 08:40.00 | Jack87 | HP made some really bad calls didnt they? |
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| 08:40.37 | Jack87 | geist, did hp have anything to do with you leaving or did you just have other opportunities? |
| 08:40.58 | Jack87 | you dont have to answer that if you dont want.. |
| 08:44.34 | geist | yep |
| 08:44.43 | geist | my last day of palm was the first day ofHP |
| 08:44.49 | geist | so i guess i technically worked there a day |
| 08:45.14 | geist | i had zero interest in working at a company that big. i thought they'd mess it all up and eventually outsource/kill webos |
| 08:45.43 | dragoon | and they did! |
| 08:45.46 | geist | i quit and screwed around for a few months and then started looking around |
| 08:45.56 | geist | having 2 months of nothing to do was pretty great |
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| 08:48.36 | ka6sox | wonders what 2months of bumming around would look like.... |
| 08:49.01 | ka6sox | nite all... |
| 08:49.19 | geist | nite |
| 08:55.09 | ice8lue | geist: would have left too |
| 08:55.28 | ice8lue | i think they not just messed it up, they also destroyed the spirit of palm |
| 08:55.42 | ice8lue | it felt like you guys put a lot of love into webOS |
| 08:55.48 | ice8lue | for HP it was a product |
| 08:58.00 | Maqs | is it possible to just re-format /media/internal to be ext3 and change fstab accordingly? |
| 08:59.35 | Maqs | or will it break other things somewhere? |
| 08:59.52 | ka6sox-zzzz | Maqs, people will die...flames will erupt |
| 08:59.55 | ka6sox-zzzz | don't do it. |
| 09:00.07 | geist | go to sleep! |
| 09:00.31 | ka6sox-zzzz | just killing pages so my fan would slow down... |
| 09:00.37 | ka6sox-zzzz | nite |
| 09:01.06 | Maqs | i rather thought of some scripts having hardcoded vfat or sth |
| 09:01.08 | Maqs | nite |
| 09:01.30 | ka6sox-zzzz | Maqs, the OTA or next doctor will have a fit. |
| 09:05.26 | geist | early on i used to do that all the time until the scripts and whatnot started getting upset |
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| 09:16.05 | Maqs | k, thanks |
| 09:27.31 | eliasp_ | sconix: running now MS 2.4.2, but it looks like nothing was stored in the Palm Profile... after running it now for ~14h the modelist is still empty (Pre3) |
| 09:28.03 | eliasp_ | sconix: it doesn't matter that much for now as I only had 2 basic modes set up so far, but I thought I'd let you know... possibly a bug? |
| 09:28.52 | sconix | well actually not sure if the installing wipes the config |
| 09:29.03 | sconix | but anyway the mode export / import can be used to backup |
| 09:34.30 | eliasp_ | sconix: yes, will use export/import next time... would be nice if it would be also possible to export to a local document without using GoogleDocs |
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| 10:12.30 | YeahRight | hi guys..i'm trying to add the kernel testing feed |
| 10:12.37 | YeahRight | i have a quextion though |
| 10:12.51 | YeahRight | tut tells me to add http://preware.is.awesome.com/ |
| 10:13.01 | YeahRight | so including a slash ? |
| 10:13.23 | YeahRight | while earlier the tut is speaking of not including a slash at the url end |
| 10:13.38 | YeahRight | Type or paste a name and corresponding URL from above in the appropriate text boxes. Make sure the URL does *not* have a slash at the end. |
| 10:13.50 | YeahRight | Put http://preware.is.awesome.com/ in the URL field. Note that this is not a real URL - it is a placeholder only. |
| 10:14.00 | YeahRight | is it different in the kernel feed? |
| 10:14.28 | YeahRight | could someone confirm i should include a / indeed in this case? |
| 10:18.09 | cryptk | what tut are you following? |
| 10:18.20 | YeahRight | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 10:18.46 | cryptk | ok, and what URL does it have in there |
| 10:19.17 | YeahRight | sorry? |
| 10:19.28 | cryptk | what does that tut have for the URL... exactly... |
| 10:19.49 | YeahRight | http://preware.is.awesome.com/ |
| 10:19.55 | YeahRight | including / |
| 10:19.56 | cryptk | with a slash correct |
| 10:20.02 | cryptk | there is your answer |
| 10:20.20 | cryptk | just do it exactly like it is written |
| 10:20.36 | YeahRight | ok..i just wanted to be sure sir since this is different from the other feeds |
| 10:20.44 | YeahRight | ok thanks for cofirming |
| 10:21.12 | cryptk | you are right, it is different, because this is a different feed with special configuration |
| 10:21.40 | YeahRight | yup i get it :-) |
| 10:22.05 | YeahRight | i didnt expect the page to have an error but better safe than sorry ;-) |
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| 10:53.42 | YeahRight | i installed xecutah xserver and xterm..however i dont get a xterm terminal when i run those 3 in that particular order..i do get the xserver background and mouse pointer but no terminal..any idea whats going wrong? |
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| 11:15.58 | YeahRight | no one? |
| 12:28.35 | YeahRight | is it possible to get silverlight/moonlight running on the TP? |
| 12:38.15 | geist | not sure there's an ARM port for that stuff |
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| 13:10.08 | elpollodiablo1 | YeahRight: you look at the xterm or xserver logs? I believe they are in /tmp/ |
| 13:11.34 | n0life | Im currently working on a usable Shell App |
| 13:11.36 | YeahRight | not yet..let me check |
| 13:11.40 | YeahRight | thanks for replying |
| 13:12.39 | n0life | anyone tried something like this ` |
| 13:12.40 | n0life | ? |
| 13:12.58 | rwhitby | YeahRight: BTW, did you read the sentence in step 1 which says " If you make any error in this feed name, the URL below will not be replaced by the real URL when the device is rebooted, and you will not get access to the feeds. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE FEED NAME CORRECT!" |
| 13:13.14 | rwhitby | and the sentence in step 2 which says "Note that this is not a real URL - it is a placeholder only. Again, you need to get the feed name correct for the real URL to be replaced correctly when the device is rebooted." |
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| 13:13.26 | YeahRight | yes i read that |
| 13:13.47 | YeahRight | elpollodiablo1 : ./media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.xterm/bin/xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s |
| 13:13.47 | rwhitby | if you read both those sentences, why would you ask a question about the URL, knowing that the sentences you just read have told you that the URL is irrelevant |
| 13:14.16 | YeahRight | call me overly carefull |
| 13:14.29 | rwhitby | YeahRight: I'm interested in how steps 1 and 2 can be made clearer, so that people don't need to ask. |
| 13:14.37 | rwhitby | YeahRight: how would you rewrite it? |
| 13:14.55 | rwhitby | step 6 even says "If you got the feed name correct, the placeholder URL will be replaced by the real feed URL automatically." |
| 13:15.17 | YeahRight | why not just remove the / in the placeholder url? |
| 13:15.24 | YeahRight | that way at least there is no difference |
| 13:15.43 | YeahRight | i do apologize for asking something that apperantly should be completley obvious to me |
| 13:15.59 | rwhitby | YeahRight: done. what else? |
| 13:16.36 | rwhitby | I'm serious. How can it be made to not only apparently be obvious, but actually *be* obvious. |
| 13:16.39 | YeahRight | well since there is no difference now..at least I wouldnt have asked..i think you can do without an extra Note or something |
| 13:16.57 | YeahRight | yes i understand you are serious |
| 13:17.13 | rwhitby | because when we had the actual URL in there, people typed it wrongly. so we made the URL irrelevant, and people then type the feed name incorrectly. |
| 13:17.15 | YeahRight | 100% foolproof and clear documentation is of the essence |
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| 13:18.58 | YeahRight | well imho if you add a Note like (Note: the actual URL that you type does not matter since it is placeholder URL) it's even clearer..also for the ones which want confirmation to be ubersure |
| 13:19.19 | YeahRight | basically you would explain the meaning of placeholder url to non native english ppl i guess ;-) |
| 13:20.13 | rwhitby | YeahRight: done. what else? |
| 13:21.05 | YeahRight | no other recommandations..thank you for taking this so seriously |
| 13:21.34 | rwhitby | hopefully the 5 minutes spent on it will pay itself back with fewer questions in the future as a result |
| 13:22.03 | YeahRight | i bet it might help at least a bit, like i said it would have kept ME form asking at least :-) |
| 13:23.29 | YeahRight | btw i do not see the changes yet but i guess the page still has to be updated then |
| 13:26.11 | YeahRight | i still might have another recommandation to avoid possible questions.."Immediately reboot the device by simultaneously pressing the Opt, Sym and R keys." To me that wasn't clear either, i used a preware patch to get the "reboot device" option |
| 13:26.56 | rwhitby | well, most people won't have that patch installed, so that is useless as a direction |
| 13:27.21 | rwhitby | what would you suggest as a direction that will work on all unmodified webOS phones and tablets? |
| 13:27.22 | YeahRight | yeah sure but i meant it like: maybe its good to have some additional explaining about those keys |
| 13:28.17 | rwhitby | well, touchpads don't have those keys anyway, so that step is also useless for a touchpad |
| 13:28.22 | YeahRight | the keys will do but if you are new to all this you need more information about them |
| 13:28.26 | YeahRight | ah, lol |
| 13:28.33 | YeahRight | i didnt even realize that |
| 13:28.40 | rwhitby | and if I just say reboot, a lot of people think that is just hitting the power button to turn off the screen and on again. |
| 13:28.50 | YeahRight | well then obviously you should add a way for device reboot for TP's ;-) |
| 13:28.58 | rwhitby | and then they ask why preware.is.awesome.com has not changed |
| 13:29.09 | YeahRight | i guess there is a native way to reboot the TP? |
| 13:31.43 | YeahRight | besides maybe it's not that weird to expect ppl to have that patch installed if they want to use test kernels.. |
| 13:32.08 | rwhitby | at least 95% of people will not |
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| 13:32.41 | YeahRight | dont really understand that but if you say so... |
| 13:33.52 | rwhitby | nothing to understand, it's a fact. |
| 13:34.10 | YeahRight | ok sir |
| 13:34.58 | YeahRight | well they'll need some way to reboot anyway.. |
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| 13:39.12 | YeahRight | seems you can restart the device through device info -> reset options |
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| 14:26.59 | nat_davies | hi all any one here know much about Impostah? |
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| 14:34.52 | DQn3tsWRK | anyone know what version of java is isntalled when you apt-get install eclipse in ubuntu chroot on the touchpad? |
| 14:35.19 | DQn3tsWRK | im trying to get my ecu editing/logging software working in chroot but it takes about 10 minutes to open the hex files and when it opens them, it doesnt show the table |
| 14:35.35 | DQn3tsWRK | i have a friend trying to help troubleshoot and hes wanting to know what version of java im using |
| 14:35.47 | DQn3tsWRK | i couldnt just install sun-java6-jre |
| 14:35.56 | DQn3tsWRK | because i dont think it has arm support |
| 14:36.06 | DQn3tsWRK | so i installed eclipse and it installed java automatically |
| 14:36.59 | YeahRight | i installed xecutah xserver and xterm..however i dont get a xterm terminal when i run those 3 in that particular order..i do get the xserver background and mouse pointer but no terminal..someone have any idea whats going wrong? see http://pastebin.com/5dqgKYmt for xserver.log and xterm.log |
| 14:37.47 | DQn3tsWRK | yearight did you launch xterm from inside executah? |
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| 14:38.18 | YeahRight | yes |
| 14:38.54 | DQn3tsWRK | ok |
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| 14:39.08 | DQn3tsWRK | try uninstalling xterm |
| 14:39.09 | DQn3tsWRK | reboot |
| 14:39.11 | DQn3tsWRK | reinstall it |
| 14:39.18 | DQn3tsWRK | then give it a go |
| 14:39.25 | DQn3tsWRK | ive had issues with updating xterm and xserver |
| 14:39.31 | DQn3tsWRK | where i have to go through that process |
| 14:45.26 | oclet | i wish xterm had a good virtual keyboard |
| 14:45.31 | oclet | or touchpad did rather |
| 14:45.52 | DQn3tsWRK | yea i usually use the bluetooth keyboard |
| 14:46.06 | DQn3tsWRK | and use the tweaks app to turn the virtual kb off |
| 14:46.12 | oclet | carrying around a bluetooth keyboard kinda destroys the purpose though |
| 14:46.21 | DQn3tsWRK | i guess |
| 14:46.24 | oclet | i am hoping splashtop has a virtual keyboard |
| 14:46.28 | roadkill | If you have the HP Touchpad keyboard, it's not much to carry. |
| 14:46.31 | oclet | with ctrl/alt/etc |
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| 14:46.39 | oclet | but its something to carry |
| 14:46.41 | oclet | which sucks |
| 14:46.47 | roadkill | surprised at how sturdy it feels to type on despite how thin it is |
| 14:47.01 | oclet | and really |
| 14:47.05 | oclet | i bought the touchpad for 100$ |
| 14:47.12 | oclet | the point is for me to be a cheap bastard |
| 14:47.16 | roadkill | Most people did. |
| 14:47.17 | roadkill | Heh |
| 14:47.23 | oclet | so im not too excited with the notion of buying a keyboard to go with it |
| 14:47.40 | roadkill | Fair enough. Though I did see some mini bluetooth keyboards in the range of $10 |
| 14:47.48 | oclet | ya |
| 14:48.04 | roadkill | That may be worth getting just to save yourself a little bit of headache |
| 14:48.17 | oclet | well |
| 14:48.24 | oclet | if there was a good virtual keyboard and terminal program |
| 14:48.28 | DQn3tsWRK | so nobody knows what version of java is installed with eclipse in chroot? |
| 14:48.29 | oclet | i'd lose a lot of my headache |
| 14:50.43 | roadkill | Wow... One for $1.44, almost worth the gamble despite the bad reviews. http://www.amazon.com/DURAGADGET-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Blackberry-Playbook/dp/B004FV95TW |
| 14:52.00 | oclet | +6 shipping |
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| 14:52.17 | roadkill | Eh. Yeah. Small catch there. But still less than $10 |
| 14:52.22 | bikr | Anyone know of a working remote desktop client for TP? |
| 14:52.31 | bikr | either VNC , or standalone ie: Logmein style |
| 14:53.14 | oclet | bikr: theyre making splashtop |
| 14:53.17 | oclet | for webos |
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| 14:53.35 | bikr | i thought splashtop was 2nd display |
| 14:53.38 | bikr | going to look more into it |
| 14:54.32 | bikr | awesome! |
| 14:54.37 | dwc- | 3 of the merchants that sell that are duragadget |
| 14:54.48 | dwc- | 2 fulfilled by amazon, and all 3 have different prices |
| 14:55.35 | DQn3tsWRK | anyone familiar with modifying wpa supplicant? |
| 14:55.48 | roadkill | hah. someone probably screwed up the listing and missed a decimal point. |
| 14:55.48 | DQn3tsWRK | trying to get my touchpad on my work wifis, wpa2 with peap and mschapv2 |
| 14:55.51 | DQn3tsWRK | no server auth |
| 14:56.10 | bikr | DQn3tsWRK: you're still at that? |
| 14:56.21 | DQn3tsWRK | bikr havent had a chance to get started on it |
| 14:56.23 | DQn3tsWRK | long weekend |
| 14:56.27 | bikr | roger that |
| 14:56.27 | DQn3tsWRK | and busy week last week |
| 14:56.37 | roadkill | dwc-: Same keyboard, different seller: $10 +$5 shipping. http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Iphone/dp/B0042HGAS8 |
| 14:59.02 | M25 | if you want cheap bluetooth keyboards, try your local Goodwill |
| 14:59.05 | M25 | got mine for $4 |
| 14:59.40 | oclet | i'd rather have a good soft keyboard |
| 14:59.42 | oclet | with ctrl and alt |
| 14:59.58 | robobot[0] | there is a vnc client for webos, but i dont think it's fully functional on the touchpad |
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| 15:01.20 | robobot[0] | or maybe i missed the conversation where this was already mentioned |
| 15:02.10 | bikr | it was not mentioned |
| 15:02.12 | bikr | :) |
| 15:02.22 | bikr | i wish effing logmein worked ugh.. |
| 15:02.34 | robobot[0] | realvnc <3 |
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| 15:32.37 | plwweasel | <DQn3tsWRK: I set up a test network in the lab last week using peap and mschapv2 but still need to test with the touchpad. I'll go back there in a few and let you know the results. |
| 15:42.08 | DQn3tsWRK | please do plwweasel |
| 15:42.18 | DQn3tsWRK | ill shoot you a few $ via paypal if you can get me on the work wifis |
| 15:42.35 | DQn3tsWRK | i really would like to have my touchpad working at work because im on and off vpns all day |
| 15:42.37 | plwweasel | stuck on a call with my boss, but soon as it is finished will do |
| 15:42.43 | DQn3tsWRK | and the vpns wont let me get email or update tickets and shit |
| 15:43.39 | plwweasel | I'll do what I can, no need for $'s |
| 15:45.46 | DQn3tsWRK | ok just shoot me a pm |
| 15:46.14 | plwweasel | K |
| 15:46.39 | DQn3tsWRK | anyone know the best arm compat. java jre? |
| 15:47.05 | DQn3tsWRK | looks like when i installed eclipse it installed openjdk-6-jre |
| 15:47.14 | DQn3tsWRK | but my ecu editing/logging software doesnt work so well with it |
| 15:47.49 | Abyssul | still creating a obdII program? |
| 15:48.01 | Flemmard | obd2 on touchpad? |
| 15:48.03 | Flemmard | oho |
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| 15:48.31 | Abyssul | Id use it even though my laptop uses it already |
| 15:49.18 | DQn3tsWRK | Abyssul: not creating |
| 15:49.23 | DQn3tsWRK | trying to get one working in ubuntu chroot |
| 15:49.39 | DQn3tsWRK | Flemmard: yea apparently usb host works out of the box |
| 15:49.51 | DQn3tsWRK | so im gonna order an otg cable and give it a whirl |
| 15:50.10 | Abyssul | The power has to come externally doesnt it? |
| 15:50.11 | DQn3tsWRK | http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Connection-MOTOROLA-Packaging-89454N/dp/B004UAG6WC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315324204&sr=8-1 |
| 15:50.13 | DQn3tsWRK | yup |
| 15:50.21 | DQn3tsWRK | im gonna try a usb Y cable |
| 15:50.29 | Abyssul | So complicated o.O |
| 15:50.30 | DQn3tsWRK | and send one end to a cig lighter usb charger |
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| 16:21.02 | haydnh | Hi |
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| 17:05.42 | Aoi-re | hello :).. what tethering application do you use (preferably for HP Veer or WebOS 2.1)? Is there any? I can't really use FreeTethering, because it doesn't properly downscale.. and Mobile Hotspot doesn't want to work with a secured connection anymore :( any ideas? |
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| 17:12.50 | DQn3tsWRK | what device? |
| 17:13.22 | DQn3tsWRK | oh you are tethering from webos to webos |
| 17:13.37 | DQn3tsWRK | not sure, im an android nerd, dont know much about tethering from a webos mobile device |
| 17:13.54 | DQn3tsWRK | but a lot of the problem is the fact that webos doesnt support ad hoc connections |
| 17:13.57 | DQn3tsWRK | only infrastructure mode |
| 17:15.56 | Aoi-re | nah .. I am on a hp veer and wanted to initiate a wlan hotspot or a usb- or bluetooth-connection so that I could connect with my laptop.. |
| 17:16.40 | Aoi-re | it does work with Mobile Hotspot - but only if I keep the connection "insecure" (without WPA/WPA2) - which is not really an option for me .. it worked with the given security until today .. then suddenly it wouldn't work anymore |
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| 17:38.35 | MrBIOS-seamicro | hey folks |
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| 17:58.52 | M25_ | anyone have any ideas on how to get flash to see the camera/Mic on the touchpaf? |
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| 18:05.14 | oni_ | yo |
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| 18:07.52 | wrea | M25_, nope. |
| 18:09.55 | wrea | M25, what are you wanting to get working with the cam/mic? |
| 18:13.38 | Domingan_TP | !status |
| 18:13.58 | Domingan_TP | !pingme |
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| 18:16.09 | M25_ | videochat mainly, also voice search/dictation |
| 18:16.17 | M25_ | wrea: ^ |
| 18:16.57 | oilsworkn | aka chatroulette? |
| 18:17.03 | oilsworkn | heh |
| 18:17.13 | wrea | I wish google's voice/video plugin for linux was built for arm too |
| 18:17.46 | M25_ | that would be wonderful too, but there are 3rd party flash implementations that tie in too |
| 18:18.31 | wrea | So, ncurses isnt built with libpanel which kismet needs |
| 18:19.05 | wrea | If I run the makefile for libpatch it doesnt create a .so, only 2 .a's |
| 18:20.10 | M25_ | honestly, I'd settle for voice search/dictation, would be awesome to skip the on screen keyboard |
| 18:27.37 | Aoi-re | oh guys - quick question.. I'm sure you know the answer.. the recent WebOS SDK is 3.0.2 .. would I be able to develop applications for the HP Veer using that? and what else except VirtualBox do I need? is there some thread to get started? |
| 18:27.50 | Aoi-re | Thank you for answering in advance! |
| 18:29.13 | oilsworkn | 302 isn't on the veer |
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| 18:29.20 | oilsworkn | you need the 2.x sdk for phones |
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| 18:29.47 | MrBIOS | is there a TouchPad app that just gives me a local linux prompt? |
| 18:29.49 | oilsworkn | i dont believe the 302 sdk comes with a 2.x phone-sized vm |
| 18:30.00 | oilsworkn | or any of the mojo docs |
| 18:30.07 | wrea | MrBIOS, xterm in the testing repo |
| 18:30.09 | oilsworkn | (mojo being hte phone js framework) |
| 18:30.26 | MrBIOS | wrea, but that requires X to be running, yes? |
| 18:30.31 | MrBIOS | I have the testing repo enabled |
| 18:30.33 | MrBIOS | and I have the term |
| 18:30.48 | wrea | Yes, it does |
| 18:31.20 | MrBIOS | that is sub-optimal :) |
| 18:31.30 | wrea | Well, thats all you got. |
| 18:31.39 | oilsworkn | make a better one! :) |
| 18:31.43 | Aoi-re | ah okay .. well I thought that 3.0.2 in the SDK version number referred to its version and not to the version of the OS |
| 18:31.56 | MrBIOS | fair enough, but also, the xterm doesn't size correctly so it's difficult to actually use it once you fill up the upper half of the window with text, since the keyboard overlaps half of the window |
| 18:32.11 | haydnh | ssh? |
| 18:32.30 | Aoi-re | thank you for the quick answer tho! |
| 18:32.42 | oilsworkn | Aoi-re: i mean, i could be wrong, but i think the 3.x sdks are only touchpad/enyo |
| 18:32.59 | MrBIOS | haydnh, unfortunately the office net here is not routable to the wi-fi subnet, so that's a non-starter for me |
| 18:33.01 | oilsworkn | with the tools you could code/install and app to any device |
| 18:33.15 | oilsworkn | but it doesn't have any of the mojo docs or phone-sized vms |
| 18:34.07 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: what doesn't size correctly? and you should absolutely not have your keyboard over the screen :) |
| 18:34.18 | Aoi-re | well I definitely want to write something for my veer :) |
| 18:34.22 | Aoi-re | or at least die trying to do so :D |
| 18:34.31 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: set the keyboard size for X to use in tweaks, else just change the keyboard size to 'xs' to prevent it from hiding |
| 18:34.44 | MrBIOS | dtzWill, the on-screen keyboard is superimposed over the lower half of the xterm window |
| 18:34.46 | dtzWill | (with tweaks you can tell X to reserve more space for the keyboard) |
| 18:34.53 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: is your keyboard xs? |
| 18:35.04 | oilsworkn | Aoi-re: i suggest the 2.x sdk then |
| 18:35.14 | oilsworkn | it will include the mojo docs/samples |
| 18:36.00 | MrBIOS | dtzWill, tweaks says so, yes, but I don't know what that means, since I don't know what it looks like |
| 18:36.02 | Aoi-re | alright! I will get it - thank you very much! oh .. since I'm from the windows world .. what do I need in order to create my first application (some hello world dummy) - is there some tutorial? basically what IDE/compiler etc. |
| 18:36.07 | MrBIOS | it looks like the normal keyboard to me |
| 18:36.21 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: oh tweaks just tells X what keyboard to assume you're using |
| 18:36.22 | M25 | dtzWill: while you're around, I was wondering what's the progress on getting xrandr fully supported, specifically with respect to auto-rotate |
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| 18:36.38 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: in X, like in every other webos application, you can change the keyboard size fo suit your preferences |
| 18:36.47 | dtzWill | unfortunately idk how to know what size that is, so you tell X via tweaks |
| 18:36.48 | MrBIOS | I had a problem wih the ubuntu chroot I installed via Preware, also. When I start it (with X and Xterm running). When I choose "Start Ubuntu 11.04 chroot" from Xecutah, it states "Service error: unable to run command /sbin/initctl start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot" |
| 18:36.55 | oilsworkn | Aoi-re: there are samples and docs on how to package and install an app |
| 18:37.07 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: http://www.precentral.net/resize-touchpad-keyboard-webos-3-0 |
| 18:37.11 | oilsworkn | compiling isn't needed unless you're doing pdk |
| 18:37.30 | dtzWill | so either change your keyboard to match tweaks, or change tweaks to match your keyboard :) |
| 18:38.08 | oilsworkn | or... bluetooth keyboard |
| 18:38.17 | Aoi-re | mh.. well my long-shot aim is to write a tethering program that would work for me .. not to say the existing ones are bad (they're decent) - it's just a challange.. so I guess I'll have to do PDK for that |
| 18:38.25 | MrBIOS | dtzWill, thanks, that's better! :) |
| 18:38.41 | oilsworkn | Aoi-re: freetether is opensource |
| 18:38.54 | Aoi-re | oh I thought it's closed-source |
| 18:38.58 | oilsworkn | no |
| 18:39.05 | oilsworkn | its written by PuffTheMagic |
| 18:39.15 | oilsworkn | http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/freetether/ |
| 18:39.24 | Maqs | is there any X multitouch support yet? and... is it possible to hide the keyboard completely? fullscreen mplayer looks kinda strange if there's a keyboard below it |
| 18:39.26 | Aoi-re | then I'd risk a glimps at that :).. but I think I'd still need to install the SDK and some IDE + compiler, right? |
| 18:39.32 | oilsworkn | im sure he would check out whatever patches you submit |
| 18:39.48 | oilsworkn | or just build on it for your own use |
| 18:40.06 | oilsworkn | idk about the c side of it |
| 18:40.07 | MrBIOS | Maqs, there's a fantastic player in Preware I'd suggest you use instead on the touchpad, which uses mplayer I think |
| 18:40.10 | Aoi-re | I see .. well please consider me a noob in terms of webos-related development .. |
| 18:40.18 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: maybe restart after the chroot installation? looks like the upstart job isn't there |
| 18:40.33 | MrBIOS | Maqs, called TouchPlayer |
| 18:40.42 | Aoi-re | I used to develop on normal PC :D |
| 18:40.46 | Maqs | MrBIOS: great, i didn't notice, thanks :) |
| 18:40.52 | dtzWill | M25: no progress, but i mostly expect to bang it out in a session or two i just haven't had a time lately :( |
| 18:41.06 | dtzWill | Maqs: no multitouch, hide keyboard in tweaks |
| 18:41.21 | Maqs | ok |
| 18:41.21 | MrBIOS | dtzWill, that is possible, but I have restarted multiple times. I think it may be a bug, I fat-fingered an uninstall of ubuntu chroot in preware right after I installed it the first time |
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| 18:41.35 | MrBIOS | dtzWill, no confirmation on uninstall of an app in preware is broken UI design if you ask me |
| 18:42.10 | dtzWill | MrBIOS: i don't know, sorry :/. Not especially familiar with the installation itself component of the chroot packages |
| 18:42.20 | dtzWill | (so can't offhand reason about what state your device might be in) |
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| 18:42.42 | MrBIOS | asking a user if they're sure before they do something destructive is a fundamental tenet of UI design and it's disappointing to see that violated |
| 18:42.56 | oilsworkn | MrBIOS: patches welcome |
| 18:43.10 | MrBIOS | oilsworkn, to preware app itself? Where would they go? |
| 18:43.20 | oilsworkn | its opensource |
| 18:43.30 | oilsworkn | they would go into a release |
| 18:43.31 | MrBIOS | that's not an answer to the question, though |
| 18:43.39 | MrBIOS | no, where would the patches be submitted to |
| 18:43.51 | oilsworkn | http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/ |
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| 18:45.03 | MrBIOS | oilsworkn, thanks, are you a contributor? |
| 18:45.08 | oilsworkn | yes |
| 18:45.42 | Aoi-re | actually I think it's not really a flaw if it doesn't ask for even more confirmation - because you can almost always reinstall it from preware again, no? |
| 18:46.29 | MrBIOS | Aoi-re, yes, it's a fucking flaw |
| 18:46.45 | MrBIOS | Aoi-re, it requires you to re-download data |
| 18:46.54 | wrea | chill out |
| 18:46.57 | MrBIOS | Aoi-re, and for ubuntu-chroot, that's a lot of data |
| 18:47.12 | MrBIOS | wrea, I'm not angry, I just find it obnoxious that people are ignorant about UI design |
| 18:47.21 | Aoi-re | ah well sorry I'm certainly not going to argue with you on that .. generally I agree that it might need to reask things |
| 18:47.38 | Aoi-re | but tbh .. once I want to uninstall something, I dont uninstall by accident |
| 18:47.46 | MrBIOS | Aoi-re, also, since the uninstall button is down at the bottom of the screen, it's *really* easy to accidentally hit it on a tablet |
| 18:47.53 | Aoi-re | besides.. what about the "Software Catalog" where you can also uninstall things? |
| 18:47.58 | MrBIOS | Aoi-re, see above comment. You're missing the issue |
| 18:48.05 | Aoi-re | oh sorry ^^ |
| 18:48.17 | Aoi-re | ah now I get your point |
| 18:48.22 | MrBIOS | if the uninstall button weren't right on the edge of the display, it would probably be a non-issue :) |
| 18:48.32 | MrBIOS | and it's unlikely to ever happen on a WebOS-based phone |
| 18:48.50 | Aoi-re | well actually it did happen to me on my veer once :D but it wasnt a big deal |
| 18:49.18 | MrBIOS | yeah, I also find it somewhat annoying that people assume everybody has big fast pipes to the internet :) |
| 18:49.33 | oilsworkn | no such assumption was made in the design and development of preware |
| 18:50.03 | MrBIOS | oilsworkn, I didn't say there was that assumption, I was more responding to the 'well, you can just re-download it' sentiment |
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| 18:50.49 | MrBIOS | I really appreciate everybodys' significant efforts on Preware, for the record :) |
| 18:51.59 | Aoi-re | man I remember Palm from back in the days of Psion.. and if I compare it to my phone .. and besides it.. I really fell in love with webos .. I hope it all continues! :D |
| 18:55.13 | Maqs | some notes i made for the hp touchpad.. may be useful for somebody, but use at your own risk: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11244516/touchpad.htm |
| 18:56.09 | oilsworkn | would rather a junion bacon cheeseburger from jack in the box |
| 18:56.29 | oilsworkn | wrong channel |
| 18:56.30 | oilsworkn | :/ |
| 18:56.47 | M25 | on a related note, if I wanted good UI design, I'd have shelled out $500 for an ipad. I'm willing to sac UI and the app store for a $400 discount |
| 18:57.23 | Maqs | cheeseburgers! |
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| 18:59.28 | Aoi-re | lol.. ipad is closed source unless you jb it :/ I'd have bought a hp veer for twice the price if I knew it was that nice.. just need to get freetether to work without keeping the cpu always at max |
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| 19:01.07 | M25 | Aoi-re: actually, as a professional iPhone app developer, I haven't bothered jailbreaking my iPhone. If I want to add functionality, I'll just throw up a quick port, as it runs C natively on a unix-based system, many existing FOSS projects just require some UI rework and they're good to go |
| 19:01.40 | M25 | also... how the heck do you see anything on the Veer's tiny screen? |
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| 19:04.01 | Aoi-re | I see everything o_o it's as sharp as a knife |
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| 19:06.17 | oclet | veer having a tiny screen was why it failed |
| 19:06.18 | oclet | imo |
| 19:06.56 | wrea | I wish I difnt miss out on the $50 Pre2's |
| 19:07.30 | happycube | ditto |
| 19:08.37 | Aoi-re | hm well I really think the veer's screen is good .. it's small, yet really sharp .. it's big enough for all the pocket stuff you want to do with it |
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| 19:27.04 | DMeister-IT | Hi, the virtual keyboard works best with webOS 2.2? |
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| 19:42.00 | Aoi-re | yay thanks everyone for the hints - the development environment runs! :D |
| 19:42.40 | dtzWill | Aoi-re: i like my veer an awful lot too |
| 19:42.56 | dtzWill | esp with the tp usually on-hand it works out nicely |
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| 19:45.38 | Aoi-re | hehe .. I wish freeTether wouldn't cause the veer to always clock at 806Mhz (or above if you overclock) |
| 19:45.52 | Aoi-re | but other than this program - everything is awesome! :) |
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| 19:46.12 | Aoi-re | (the program is awesome too because it works - just not ..totally?) |
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| 20:31.56 | M25 | anyone here know how I can run a program after the wifi starts up on the touchpad, but before the music manager runs its indexing process? Or, is there a way to trigger re-indexing by the music manager without dropping wifi connectivity |
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| 20:48.10 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:49.42 | oilsworkn | hello |
| 20:50.08 | oilsworkn | is jealous of being able to use pre3 as main phone :( |
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| 20:50.27 | M25 | rwhitby: ^ |
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| 20:58.45 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: well, you wouldn't be jealous that there are some local numbers that I simply can't dial using the Pre 3. The dialpad clears itself after 1300..... |
| 21:00.33 | oilsworkn | well, i rarely dial outside my contact list |
| 21:00.37 | oilsworkn | which i dial with just-type |
| 21:01.02 | oilsworkn | well, since i have pizza places and what not in my contact list haha |
| 21:02.59 | M25 | rwhitby: did you rejoin? this client is set to not register join/parts, I asked something earlier, not sure if you got it |
| 21:05.27 | oilsworkn | M25: he usually reads all the backlog |
| 21:06.09 | rwhitby | I scan the backlog, and read things addressed to me. |
| 21:06.25 | rwhitby | boards flight to sydney |
| 21:06.32 | MrBIOS | What is SDLTerminal (in preware), and what does it do? |
| 21:06.49 | rwhitby | on a touchpad, nothing. |
| 21:07.12 | MrBIOS | I see, perhaps a description of what it actually does would be of use, in that case |
| 21:07.30 | zefyx | i want a pre3 so badly i cant stand it |
| 21:07.37 | oilsworkn | MrBIOS: its a terminal app |
| 21:07.42 | zefyx | why oh why could we not have a pre3 firesale in the us ;( |
| 21:07.49 | M25 | rwhitby: before you go: how I can run a program after the wifi starts up on the touchpad, but before the music manager runs its indexing process? Or, is there a way to trigger re-indexing by the music manager without dropping wifi connectivity |
| 21:08.08 | MrBIOS | oilsworkn, I figured as much. Does anyone know what's preventing it from working on the TouchPad? |
| 21:08.20 | oilsworkn | i dont know if anyone has looked into it |
| 21:08.37 | zefyx | im stuck with a veer, and i can't even find one at firesale price ;( |
| 21:08.43 | zefyx | i refuse to pay 150% more on ebay |
| 21:08.45 | oilsworkn | idk if that is even a -internals project |
| 21:08.59 | M25 | MrBIOS: why not use xterm? |
| 21:09.16 | MrBIOS | M25, that's what I am doing, was just curious about the state of SDLterm |
| 21:09.31 | oilsworkn | there has been a number of different local terminal options |
| 21:09.38 | oilsworkn | imho terminal/termplugin was the best |
| 21:09.47 | Guest7757 | Hrm. Don't suppose anyone has used the Xserver to run a remote desktop via XDMCP. |
| 21:09.50 | MrBIOS | is there one that works for TouchPad? |
| 21:10.02 | summatusmentis | xecutah |
| 21:10.13 | summatusmentis | but I agree with oilsworkn, I liked Terminal |
| 21:10.16 | M25 | Guest7757: sort of... you can x-forward, and then promptly run gnome-session or what have you, and it should work |
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| 21:10.49 | Guest7757 | Oh, bah, thought I authenticated to nickserv. |
| 21:11.16 | mberg | That's better. |
| 21:12.15 | mberg | I haven't really spent much time tinkering with X yet, but logging into sessions on my server would be nice. |
| 21:13.15 | M25 | it won't log you into existing sessions |
| 21:13.22 | M25 | at least, not like I'd like it to |
| 21:13.37 | M25 | you can set your DISPLAY so that any program you launch shows up either locally or remotely, as you prefer |
| 21:13.54 | M25 | which is cool, you can make windows just appear on a remote desktop with no prior warning |
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| 21:15.08 | mberg | Heh. My brother had fun with that at college, after convincing other students to run "xhost +" :) |
| 21:15.41 | M25 | mberg, dtzWill, I just solved the window managing problem |
| 21:16.09 | M25 | dwm is a very small and light window manager that (on my ubuntu at least) simply defaults to running all windows fullscreen and borderless |
| 21:16.48 | M25 | if you x-forward into a machine, and run that as a background process (dwm & after login) all windows you spawn will simply fullscreen, alleviating the windows-larger-than-the-screen problem |
| 21:17.49 | oilsworkn | MrBIOS: yeah, sdlterminal isn't one of ours |
| 21:17.54 | oilsworkn | terminal/termplugin and terminus |
| 21:17.58 | oilsworkn | but neither work on tp afaik |
| 21:18.31 | mberg | Nice. |
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| 21:21.09 | mberg | I really need to poke around the git repo a bit more. Interesting looking stuff here. |
| 21:22.58 | mberg | (Of course I also need about 24 more hours in a day. :P :) |
| 21:25.37 | M25 | yo dawg, I heard you like days |
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| 22:09.34 | roadkill | M25: Just dwm? Huh. Ubuntu tried to do the same thing with 5 different packages IIRC. Compiz, Metacity, Gnome, Unity and some interim metacity replacement I forget the name of... |
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| 22:12.00 | Guest83284 | hey guys... finally got a touchpad and looking forward to compile my own kernel. Is there by any chance a VM image of the development environment available? |
| 22:12.27 | oilsworkn | the sdk comes with one |
| 22:12.32 | oilsworkn | a vm that is |
| 22:13.19 | Guest83284 | I saw that the PDK came with one, but I wasn't sure if it was suitable for kernel compilation or whether a WIDK installation was needed (and/or available) |
| 22:13.27 | oilsworkn | idk about that |
| 22:14.59 | turbo_ | if there isn't one available "off the shelf" that can compile the kernel, I could probably make one for Virtual Box, but I don't want to waste time reinventing the wheel :p |
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| 22:19.18 | M25 | rwhitby: is there a quick way to compile a package in the preware build.git, and all of its dependencies automatically? |
| 22:21.23 | wrea | Looks like have a client for kismet I need libpanel compiled with ncurses |
| 22:29.52 | destnal | wrea: is it not in optware? |
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| 22:37.19 | zefyx | compared to a pre or ple plus. how difficult is it to disassemble a veer? |
| 22:39.49 | wrea | destnal, ncurses is in cross-compile but doesnt provide libpanel |
| 22:45.08 | wrea | if I to make in panel/ it only generates to .a's and im sure kismet is looking for a .so |
| 23:01.07 | turbo_ | is http://www.webos-internals.org down for you guys, or just me? |
| 23:01.35 | ka6sox | its down for me too! |
| 23:01.37 | hagisbasheruk | -o switch to make executable ¿ |
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| 23:16.16 | zefyx | i need someone very knowledgable with the sim slots on our phones. |
| 23:16.17 | zefyx | anyone? |
| 23:19.16 | wrea | Get me a phone and then I will be :P |
| 23:21.57 | RagingMind | my poor poor little pre+ *sigh* |
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| 23:50.04 | ajay | heya! |
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| 23:57.30 | ajay | weird save+restore on my touchpad wouldn't backup the browser. hrmm.. |