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| 00:35.18 | zefyx | thinking of getting a veer. any testing kernels out for the veer yet to oc that msm7230? |
| 00:38.51 | dtzWill | zefyx: yep, warthogkernel |
| 00:38.56 | dtzWill | used it daily since i got my veer :) |
| 00:39.51 | PatrickC_TP | hmm.. who knows where the Bluetooth profiles are stored in the doctor? |
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| 00:40.18 | ghostinator | good day all! |
| 00:43.09 | Tibfib_ | hai |
| 00:43.36 | Izza | Someone convince my wife that the Touchpad will give her cancer. I can't do any dev. <:( |
| 00:43.56 | PatrickC_TP | hey |
| 00:44.18 | PatrickC_TP | umm... thats.. odd.. lol |
| 00:44.48 | Izza | Eh, she's taken it over. |
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| 00:51.57 | Aoi | holy moly ... why does my palm phone send international SMS back home O_O to the UK .. from Germany .. now I have to pay 8 euro for that! ... is there a way to turn that off? |
| 00:54.14 | rwhitby-pre | it only does it at palm profile activation |
| 00:55.19 | Aoi | so only at the first time, right? I don't have to fear that it'll send it each time something happens on my phone? |
| 00:56.25 | Aoi | because for me it sent 21 sms :( |
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| 01:12.20 | Aoi | hm it really seems that some people send up to 14 SMS (according to some sites).. I've sent 21 or so D: ... that's plain sad.. I'm not really after the money.. I just don't want for it to repeat :/ |
| 01:12.36 | Aoi | I'd rather not have a palm profile at all if possible |
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| 01:27.36 | directhex | coo, the 2.2 doctor should mean a 2.2 version of the alarm clock day-of-week patch \o/ |
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| 01:33.04 | PatrickC_TP | I'm hoping the 2.2 doctor means MAP Bluetooth profile on older phones :) |
| 01:37.39 | jmdearras | What is the Doctor? |
| 01:37.42 | PatrickC_TP | why would preware work fine till after a reboot, then show the little circle icon representing that it should be "downloading" after a reboot? |
| 01:38.01 | PatrickC_TP | webOS Doctor |
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| 01:40.44 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: what does the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE documentation say? |
| 01:40.59 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: I didn't use that |
| 01:43.04 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: which is why I thought it odd |
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| 01:47.11 | destinal | zefyx: when were there $49 pre2's? |
| 01:48.28 | LarrySteeze | destinal: he may mean on contract |
| 01:48.52 | wrea | No, there were |
| 01:49.02 | wrea | hp, if you had student or epp discount |
| 01:49.06 | LarrySteeze | off contract? |
| 01:49.15 | wrea | Yeah, straight from hp |
| 01:49.17 | LarrySteeze | oh well |
| 01:49.23 | wrea | Same with the Veer |
| 01:49.29 | LarrySteeze | I got mine for 55, so I guess I can't complain |
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| 01:49.48 | wrea | SMB store wont be getting any more in |
| 01:49.53 | LarrySteeze | he probably made 6 bucks off me, and I'm okay with that |
| 01:50.05 | wrea | Id be okay with that too |
| 01:50.06 | Aoi | my veer was 99 euro |
| 01:50.40 | wrea | The home store still has them listed, which is weird if they arent getting anymore in. But both stores have different inventories. |
| 01:50.46 | rwhitby | Aoi: you don't need a palm profile, unless you want to access the app catalog, get OTA updates, or have your phone backed up by HP. |
| 01:51.30 | Aoi | hm.. thank you rwhitby for the info :). But.. can I be sure that it won't send more SMS to the UK? |
| 01:51.42 | Aoi | because I am not sure when it sends them .. just when I setup a profile? |
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| 01:56.43 | Framework|AWAY | I wonder how fast a DS emulator could run on the touchpad |
| 01:57.03 | rwhitby | it can send them whenever it wants, but I have only seen it do so when you log into a Palm profile |
| 01:59.27 | Tibfib | Framework|AWAY: hoping for a ps1 emu myself :D |
| 01:59.30 | Aoi | so basically if I turn my Phone off completely and turn it on it might relog into the profile and send those SMS? |
| 02:01.13 | win7 | Is this page applicable to the HP touchpad with 3.0.2? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/RTorrent |
| 02:01.58 | zefyx | thanks dtzWill |
| 02:02.09 | zefyx | destinal |
| 02:02.16 | win7 | I'm using xterm (is there a better terminal app out there?), and ipkg-opt install rtorrent gives me error: 4 (cannot find package) |
| 02:02.16 | destinal | zefyx: hey |
| 02:02.26 | zefyx | when the firesale started, hp academy members were able to get pre2s for $49 shipped |
| 02:02.27 | zefyx | ;( |
| 02:02.51 | zefyx | of course, i waited too late deciding on the 16gb vs 32gb touchpad and ended up missing out on the cheap pre2s AND touchpad |
| 02:03.50 | Aoi | I find it sad that HP gives up on such a good OS D: |
| 02:03.58 | Aoi | I like webos so far quite a lot .. |
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| 02:05.16 | zefyx | yeah |
| 02:05.18 | zefyx | its depressing. |
| 02:05.28 | zefyx | i have upgrades left and right, but don't want to use them. |
| 02:05.35 | zefyx | same with my family. we want new webos devices :( |
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| 02:06.37 | rwhitby | win7: should work. add a note to the page if it does |
| 02:07.03 | destinal | win7: I run you! |
| 02:07.28 | Aoi | e too^^ |
| 02:07.29 | win7 | rwhitby: is there a feed that rtorrent is on? Perhaps I do not have it added |
| 02:07.31 | destinal | zefyx: well HP hasn't given up on webos supposedly, just webos hardware |
| 02:07.34 | Aoi | me* |
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| 02:10.46 | zefyx | yeah |
| 02:10.48 | zefyx | problem is.. |
| 02:10.58 | zefyx | i'm not so sure anyone else will want to license the OS |
| 02:11.11 | zefyx | the earlier news about samsung was depressing to say the least ;\ |
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| 02:11.48 | win7 | My only issues with webOS are the keyboard and lack of most apps |
| 02:12.05 | rwhitby | win7: please add a link to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware on that wiki page |
| 02:13.44 | win7 | Oh wow, thanks rwhitby! I'll do that as soon as I confirm that it works |
| 02:13.50 | zefyx | i wanted the pre3 so badly. |
| 02:14.30 | zefyx | i had every intention of paying full price for one. but when hp europe put them on sale for $79, but told the US to scoff off, that made me angry. |
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| 02:16.57 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: any idea on the preware thing? |
| 02:17.08 | themike | hiya |
| 02:17.20 | PatrickC_TP | hey themike |
| 02:17.37 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, my pre just arrived |
| 02:17.39 | sailerboy | thanks |
| 02:18.33 | themike | anyone know hot to turn off spellchecker on the touchpad...has made some bad errors in chat..lol |
| 02:18.49 | PatrickC_TP | turn off Text Assist |
| 02:18.59 | themike | ahh |
| 02:19.27 | themike | is there a war to see the suggested and click if I want it? |
| 02:19.39 | themike | but not have it do it auto |
| 02:21.04 | themike | on android you get the suggested bar above the keyboard if ya get what I mean |
| 02:21.06 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: you used AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE on that device |
| 02:21.14 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: no I didn't |
| 02:21.53 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: forgive me for not believing you, since previously you have strenuously denied things which have been true. |
| 02:22.12 | rwhitby | the symptom you are describing has only ever had that cause in the past. |
| 02:22.14 | PatrickC_TP | I know for a fact, because I have used this doctor multiple times |
| 02:22.31 | PatrickC_TP | a re-install of preware via cmd line fixed it, but no I didn't use that |
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| 02:22.53 | rwhitby | actually, a re-install of Preware usually will not fix it. reboot and see if it returns. |
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| 02:23.15 | PatrickC_TP | ok. we are rebooting now |
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| 02:24.53 | themike | bad when I type gah and it shows up as gay..lol |
| 02:25.01 | PatrickC_TP | lol |
| 02:25.06 | zefyx | wow wtf. |
| 02:25.19 | zefyx | my sans digital hdd bay has a floating ground or something |
| 02:25.34 | zefyx | i get a dull shock when touching the back of the case, or even the esata when plugged in |
| 02:25.39 | themike | I see if I tap the word my org spelling returns |
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| 02:27.28 | themike | I was in twitches and got the boot..lol..I typed "gah that game makes me dizzy" but the spell deadline wrote it as gay |
| 02:27.42 | themike | twit chat |
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| 02:27.55 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: after a reboot, its gone again |
| 02:28.04 | themike | see it rewrote that as twitches..makin me nuts |
| 02:28.14 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: I rest my case |
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| 02:28.28 | PatrickC_TP | but I know *for sure* that I didn't use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE case |
| 02:28.34 | PatrickC_TP | I had to manually install preware |
| 02:29.04 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: have you ever taken a logic class ? |
| 02:29.18 | PatrickC_TP | I don't need it. I know I didn't use it |
| 02:29.50 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference |
| 02:29.57 | themike | dealie |
| 02:30.14 | rwhitby | just because you had to manually install Preware does not prove that you did not use AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE. |
| 02:30.34 | PatrickC_TP | I just asked my dad what doctor he used |
| 02:30.41 | zefyx | ahh, so the veer kernel tops off at 1ghz |
| 02:30.42 | PatrickC_TP | he told me the dir he found the doctor in |
| 02:30.47 | zefyx | depressing, but better than nothing. |
| 02:30.51 | PatrickC_TP | and it was the old doctor that had that switch |
| 02:30.55 | PatrickC_TP | I thought I deleted that doctor |
| 02:30.59 | PatrickC_TP | sorry rwhitby |
| 02:32.13 | themike | can you run two apps splitscreen on the touchpad? |
| 02:32.30 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: you realise this episode has only strengthened my position of never believing anything you state to be an incontrovertible truth, right? |
| 02:32.52 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: as far as I knew that doctor didn't exist anymore |
| 02:32.57 | PatrickC_TP | I was going off what my dad told me |
| 02:33.14 | PatrickC_TP | and then he told me where he found it, I looked, and it was an old doctor that had that in it |
| 02:33.21 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: "I know for a fact" - you did not know for fact. |
| 02:33.40 | PatrickC_TP | I admit, I shouldn't have said that |
| 02:34.01 | rwhitby | and yet you continued to argue the case before double checking your own assumptions. |
| 02:34.05 | PatrickC_TP | but as far as I knew, the doctor didn't exist.. so why would I think he used it |
| 02:34.07 | kaerey | i found a white tp on my locla |
| 02:34.31 | kaerey | local craigslist for 580 if anyone is interested |
| 02:34.58 | themike | nope |
| 02:35.02 | themike | lol |
| 02:35.36 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: have a serious read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference - it will assist you in similar circumstances in the future, and in troubleshooting problems in general. |
| 02:36.05 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: on a different note: do you think that we could extract the Bluetooth profile for SMS fwd'ing from the 2.2 doctor and install it on a 2.1 phone? |
| 02:36.10 | PatrickC_TP | I'll have a look at that link |
| 02:37.52 | Aoi-re | hm .. say .. is there a way for a veer to offer its wlan for say .. my notebook? or do I demand too much of this pretty phone? |
| 02:38.12 | Aoi-re | err.. its internet connection via wlan* |
| 02:38.16 | PatrickC_TP | like.. turn your phone into a WiFi hotspot? |
| 02:38.24 | Aoi-re | yes |
| 02:38.32 | PatrickC_TP | freeTether in Preware should be able to do that |
| 02:38.36 | rwhitby | Aoi-re: freeTether |
| 02:38.39 | PatrickC_TP | I've never tried it on a Veer |
| 02:38.43 | Aoi-re | ah thank you will look into it! |
| 02:40.38 | destinal | PatrickC_TP: I wonder how hard it would be to get 2.2 working on pre / pre2 / veer etc |
| 02:41.00 | PatrickC_TP | destinal: would it work? |
| 02:41.16 | PatrickC_TP | are they similar enough? |
| 02:41.25 | PatrickC_TP | s/they/the phones/ |
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| 02:41.41 | destinal | PatrickC_TP: it depends |
| 02:42.00 | PatrickC_TP | destinal: I would happily do any testing that needs to be done on my pre2 |
| 02:42.37 | PatrickC_TP | if you told me what I needed to do, I would do it. I don't care if I brick it, as the pre2 is unbrickable, isn't it? |
| 02:43.35 | destinal | PatrickC_TP: yeah short of hardware damage but anyway if it becomes possible we could do a metadoctor script. no idea whether the graphics libraries of 2.1 are compatible with 2.2 though. they may be |
| 02:44.04 | PatrickC_TP | well, just let me know where you get. I would gladly help in any way I could |
| 02:44.11 | Izza | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade |
| 02:44.17 | Izza | Should be the same procedure. |
| 02:44.22 | PatrickC_TP | Izza: that's not for 2.2 |
| 02:44.31 | PatrickC_TP | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.36 | Izza | <Izza> Should be the same procedure. |
| 02:45.14 | PatrickC_TP | for 2.1, there was a doctor released for the Pre+, which is almost the same thing as the Pre-, which is why I think it was easier to do it for the Pre-/Pre+ |
| 02:45.19 | destinal | Izza: if we can make it work and if we can write new scripts to do the same as the existing ones, yes |
| 02:45.28 | PatrickC_TP | there is no 2.2 doctor for anything but the pre3 |
| 02:46.05 | destinal | Izza: depends on whether the bits we have in 2.2 for pre3 can be made to work with the bits we have of 2.1 for pre2, etc |
| 02:46.57 | Izza | I don't mean to make it seem like, "Derp, that should be easy, c'mon guys!" or anything. You're doing more than I could. :) |
| 02:47.26 | destinal | Izza: heh yeah though you're right about how it could be documented and scripted, same way for end users |
| 02:48.45 | Izza | I've not gotten past Eclipse, etc, myself. I'm a complete newbie to embedded, let alone webOS, and while I'm hoping to do some ports, it's questionable if I'm going to gain any ground. |
| 02:49.15 | PatrickC_TP | can I use Internalz to install an IPK via url? |
| 02:50.50 | PatrickC_TP | I actually found the IPK on the device, surprised me |
| 02:51.28 | wrea | Well, I successfully made a libpcap package |
| 02:52.26 | Izza | would love to see Kismet on wOS. |
| 02:52.30 | rwhitby | Izza: for the webOS 2.1 upgrade to legacy devices, the kernel cpu architecture was the same. That is not the case for the Pre 3. |
| 02:52.38 | wrea | Izza, working on it |
| 02:52.53 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: just use Preware to install an ipk via url |
| 02:53.17 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: I had to uninstall preware because it kept going into the "updating" mode |
| 02:53.24 | PatrickC_TP | it uninstalled cleanly (or so it seemed) |
| 02:53.26 | wrea | Izza, kismet is having issues finding the ncurses and pcap libraries |
| 02:53.37 | PatrickC_TP | so I used Internalz to install a preware IPK I had on the device |
| 02:54.06 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: well, you haven't yet asked what the fix is for using AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE against the recommendation in the documentation ... |
| 02:54.30 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: trying to debug it myself. |
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| 02:54.37 | PatrickC_TP | I'll check the docs if/when this doesn't work |
| 02:55.03 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: rm -f /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService/installHistory.db ; reboot |
| 02:55.07 | PatrickC_TP | but of course, as always, you were right |
| 02:55.16 | PatrickC_TP | it didn't survive the reboot again |
| 02:55.18 | PatrickC_TP | I'll do that now |
| 02:56.41 | Izza | So would anyone be willing to point me in the right direction as far as compiling for ARMv7, specifically the Touchpad? I really just want to get to the point I can start debugging. My attempts at running Qemu have been unsuccessful. |
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| 02:57.46 | rwhitby | Izza: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels |
| 03:01.10 | Aoi-re | hm I've tried freetether now.. my laptop finds the wireless lan (freetether), but this wlan seems to not have an internet connection .. |
| 03:01.31 | Aoi-re | which is odd .. I wish I could try Mobile Hotspot - but this app seems not to be in the appcatalog |
| 03:01.47 | Abyssul_ | stalks the git.webos-internals.org website for any changes to meta-doctor |
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| 03:06.07 | rwhitby | Abyssul_: what are you hoping for? |
| 03:06.53 | Abyssul_ | 2.2 support for Pre2 |
| 03:07.54 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, what carrier are you using the pre2 for? |
| 03:08.07 | rwhitby | all the meta-doctor features should be there for someone to attempt to write a meta-script |
| 03:09.05 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: what would be holding the 2.2 doctor back from running besides a device check? |
| 03:10.01 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: roadrunner vs tenderloin for a start |
| 03:10.45 | PatrickC_TP | would the device check not bypass it checking to see what device its flashing? or are you talking about it actually knowing what it is? |
| 03:12.26 | destinal | PatrickC_TP: there are some significant hardware differences but the real question is how much of what we're given with 2.2 is hardware specific, is it just libraries (which would be sensible) or what |
| 03:12.44 | PatrickC_TP | ah |
| 03:13.01 | PatrickC_TP | well, let me know what you all find out. I will help with any phase of testing |
| 03:14.07 | Abyssul_ | sailerboy, Sprint |
| 03:14.27 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, thought you got the GSM ones |
| 03:16.25 | tmzt_ | what does webos uses Qt for? |
| 03:16.57 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: The Pre 2 has a roadrunner kernel which runs on an OMAP3. The Pre 3 has a tenderloin kernel which runs on a Qualcomm Snapdragon. Your question is similar to asking if you can take an engine from a chrysler and just drop it into a toyota and expect it to work as-is. |
| 03:17.28 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: and I didn't understand that |
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| 03:17.33 | PatrickC_TP | so thanks for explaining |
| 03:19.55 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: I ran that command for the removal of preware, rebooted, and its still broke |
| 03:20.03 | PatrickC_TP | preware is still in the "updating" state |
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| 03:21.02 | Aoi-re | ah guys thank you again for your suggestion concearning freetether! wlan seems not to work - but I get a flawless connection with internet using bluetooth |
| 03:21.15 | PatrickC_TP | cool! |
| 03:22.13 | Aoi-re | man this channel sure is helpful.. I really hope to get on good terms with my veer so I can help others here somehow.. |
| 03:23.12 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: then you should doctor to fix it |
| 03:23.25 | PatrickC_TP | ok, I'll try that now |
| 03:23.45 | destinal | rwhitby: heh yeah we'll need a few adapters of our own devising to fit the right pieces together |
| 03:24.11 | destinal | certainly not a few quick swaps and done |
| 03:24.17 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: do you think an "erase apps and data" would work? |
| 03:24.25 | rwhitby | yes |
| 03:25.23 | PatrickC_TP | ok I'll try that |
| 03:28.00 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: what is needed for a preware feed to see the device version and show only apps that are available to that version? |
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| 03:29.39 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards |
| 03:32.22 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: I would put those fields into the Packages file? |
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| 03:49.01 | Satellite | So what's the difference between the wIRC in the HP Catalog and in Preware? |
| 03:49.21 | Satellite | I'm cheap so I don't like spending $4.29 if I don't have to :P |
| 03:49.25 | rwhitby | Satellite: financial appreciation shown to the developers |
| 03:49.46 | Satellite | So no feature difference? |
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| 03:49.54 | rwhitby | the technical answer to your question will cost you $4.31 |
| 03:50.39 | Satellite | =/ |
| 03:51.26 | LarrySteeze | how bad is it that I didn't even realize wirc was in the app catalog and thought it was available only via preware? |
| 03:51.39 | sailerboy | LarrySteeze, i had the same thing |
| 03:51.55 | rwhitby | LarrySteeze: it wasn't available for 3.x until recently |
| 03:53.54 | Satellite | is it the same version as in preware though? |
| 03:54.53 | Satellite | it says touchpad compatibility and bug-fixes but it's still the same version as in preware |
| 03:56.51 | Aoi-re | :/ why does the app catalog require a creditcard :( if it worked with a paypal account, it'd be much more convient to me since I don't have a CC, because I never really needed one |
| 03:57.20 | Satellite | I prefer PayPal too |
| 03:57.34 | Aoi-re | yeah .. donating via paypal is fast and works like a charm |
| 03:58.22 | Aoi-re | and buying apps via pp would be much easier for me .. because if I really need something from the app catalog, I have to get a credit card first .. not difficult, but it does take time and is not really necessary for me (except for the app catalog) |
| 03:58.57 | rwhitby | Satellite: Aoi-re: you're preaching to the choir here. |
| 03:59.21 | Satellite | Android doesn't accept paypal do they? |
| 03:59.43 | Satellite | Android Market |
| 04:00.30 | Aoi-re | sorry. |
| 04:01.35 | Aoi-re | I'm still a bit upset because of those 21 sms it sent to the UK ^^ I'd rather have used that money in a way that made more sense |
| 04:01.59 | lonequid | your phone provider may be able to refund the SMSes if you tell them it was your phone provisioning? |
| 04:02.45 | Aoi-re | the phone and my card are from sort-of different providers .. but I am trying that - yeah |
| 04:06.38 | win7 | I see ubuntu and debian chroot in preware. Anyone here running debian (or any distro other than ubuntu? Are others even possible atm?) |
| 04:08.17 | rwhitby | folks are working on arch and funtoo |
| 04:09.21 | win7 | :D Arch would be wonderful |
| 04:09.39 | win7 | my only issue with Arch is that packages aren't signed :-/ I generally trust the .edu's for the most part, granted |
| 04:09.56 | win7 | I just cross my fingers that they don't get compromised >_> |
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| 04:17.53 | dtzWill | win7: i primarily use debian, but almost everything is chrootable |
| 04:18.01 | dtzWill | been meaning to throw together a slack one :) |
| 04:19.20 | halfhalo | i think the main reason ubuntu/debian are the only chroots atm is because its ridiculously easy to setup. debootstrap ftw! |
| 04:19.42 | halfhalo | tried to make a fedora chroot. it didn't end well |
| 04:22.01 | dtzWill | more novelty for me than anything else. don't know that slack'd be a good fit for a chroot'd tablet :) |
| 04:23.17 | win7 | heh. So, Ubuntu needs 2 GB. Does debian require any less? 16 GB tp here >_> |
| 04:24.27 | lonequid | i feel like even the 32 isn't big enough.. wish i got a 64 |
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| 04:25.47 | win7 | What do you use the space for? I have 5.5 GB of ogg q7 (speaking of which, are any of the music players able to do hw accelerated ogg?). Might put on a video or two, but I really don't need my whole video library on there :-) |
| 04:26.39 | lonequid | lots of apps are 300MB+ (the HD graphic intense games), i have ~5GB of music on there as well, and a few movies at a time |
| 04:26.49 | lonequid | somehow i've only got 8GB free already out of 32 |
| 04:26.59 | scoutcamper | i have a 16gb ext3fs for chroots, on my 32gb touchpad |
| 04:27.03 | PatrickC_TP | lol |
| 04:27.20 | win7 | Oh wow! |
| 04:27.36 | PatrickC_TP | I have ~400MB apps (not sure, after I download that birds apps) and I have 8GB of media |
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| 04:27.47 | lonequid | that birds app is almost a gig lol |
| 04:27.53 | PatrickC_TP | yeah |
| 04:27.54 | win7 | I think angry birds HD is my largest app at 55 MB |
| 04:28.00 | PatrickC_TP | thought it was big :P |
| 04:28.12 | lonequid | took 20 minutes to install the damn thing |
| 04:28.24 | lonequid | i just kept saying "why did i get this? oh yeah it was $15 off" |
| 04:28.25 | PatrickC_TP | so, I have about 400MB of apps then the ~1GB of the birds app for my apps alone haha |
| 04:28.33 | PatrickC_TP | lonequid: same here |
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| 04:28.43 | lonequid | opened it up, listened to 1 bird call |
| 04:28.45 | lonequid | deleted it |
| 04:28.46 | lonequid | heh |
| 04:28.56 | PatrickC_TP | I haven't even opened it yet hahaha |
| 04:29.21 | lonequid | i wonder if palm is really paying the dev $15 for each code, or they agreed on some flat-rate fee for x downloads |
| 04:29.48 | win7 | Doubt it |
| 04:29.54 | PatrickC_TP | the devs didn't even know about the program until we knew about it |
| 04:29.55 | win7 | Amazon doesn't pay devs anything |
| 04:30.00 | win7 | Oh, really? |
| 04:30.05 | PatrickC_TP | yep |
| 04:30.17 | PatrickC_TP | the dev of Camera for Touchpad had no clue |
| 04:30.20 | lonequid | yeah im remeber kesne saying that |
| 04:30.28 | PatrickC_TP | and he got paid for it all (IIRC) |
| 04:30.33 | lonequid | but i highly doubt they're paying $15/pop for this one |
| 04:31.31 | PatrickC_TP | I wouldn't doubt it.., but idk |
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| 04:33.12 | rwhitby | I bet Audebon birds was a HP-sponsored creation anyway, so HP probably gets the whole $15 |
| 04:34.53 | cyclic | rwhitby: I am planning to write up a document on how to add additional packages e.g. libXcursor, to the core toolchain, make and stage. Basically it's just a quick document on copying an existing Makefile into the new folder and pointing the Makefile url at the new source, then adding dependencies to the list. This wasn't totally obvious to me at first, but now that it makes sense, things are much easier to compile. |
| 04:35.03 | lonequid | audubon has those apps on ios/android too |
| 04:35.30 | rwhitby | cyclic: please add it to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK |
| 04:35.38 | cyclic | cool |
| 04:35.56 | lonequid | rwhitby: have you experienced this issue or know if it's possible to fix in a patch? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296641-self-signed-ssl-certificates-bug.html |
| 04:36.03 | lonequid | it's killing shellinabox for me |
| 04:36.43 | rwhitby | for ssh on a touchpad, just install OpenSSH and Xecutah |
| 04:36.57 | lonequid | sshing out, need modifier keys |
| 04:37.04 | lonequid | shellinabox has an onscreen keyboard |
| 04:37.15 | rwhitby | ok |
| 04:37.22 | lonequid | "trust always" won't stick though :| |
| 04:40.30 | cyclic | rwhitby: any idea why this might be throwing an error? It happens when I try to make libxcb: http://pastebin.com/yMV7HYge |
| 04:41.13 | rwhitby | cyclic: yep, you're trying to destroy your system by overwriting in /usr |
| 04:41.23 | cyclic | lol |
| 04:41.25 | cyclic | I thought so |
| 04:41.44 | rwhitby | but you're inside the sb2 shell, so it's ok |
| 04:41.52 | cyclic | I am? |
| 04:42.06 | rwhitby | so you probably just didn't mkdir -p /usr/local/share/... first inside the sb2 shell |
| 04:42.30 | cyclic | hrrm |
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| 04:43.39 | cyclic | ok good I thought it did that... |
| 04:43.48 | cyclic | enters into sb2 automagicaly |
| 04:44.08 | cyclic | ;) |
| 04:47.00 | cyclic | should I call this section libraries? |
| 04:47.10 | cyclic | in the Apps and Kernels doc |
| 04:50.22 | win7 | Idea: install dash and set all the users in /etc/passwd to using it? |
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| 04:52.33 | tmzt_ | can we install gcc make and kernel headers on touchpad with optware from preware? |
| 04:52.37 | tmzt_ | how do you do that |
| 04:57.05 | tmzt_ | okay, does ipkg-opt need -o option or is there something else to use now? |
| 04:57.08 | tmzt_ | I can install with ipkg |
| 04:57.29 | cyclic | yes it needs opt if you installed optware |
| 04:57.44 | tmzt_ | ipkg-opt or ipkg -o /something ? |
| 04:58.05 | cyclic | ipkg-opt install <some_package> |
| 04:58.48 | tmzt_ | and kernel headers for tenderloin? really just need headers for user programs |
| 04:59.22 | cyclic | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels |
| 04:59.50 | tmzt_ | thanks |
| 05:00.03 | cyclic | yw |
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| 05:00.57 | tmzt_ | umm I'm building utilites on device, that doesn't help much |
| 05:01.46 | grndslm | anybody here every switch from a sprintified pre2 to another phone, then back to the pre2?? |
| 05:04.08 | win7 | ....does "Make it so..." just change the text of Just Type? |
| 05:04.41 | cyclic | rwhitby: same error :( |
| 05:05.24 | cyclic | tmzt_: what do you mean by utilities? |
| 05:07.29 | tmzt_ | utilities? |
| 05:07.46 | tmzt_ | I'm building small tests to figure out the touchpanel on touchpad |
| 05:08.17 | cyclic | mojo apps? |
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| 05:09.13 | cyclic | optware is going to be the best way to write your own apps for the device |
| 05:09.15 | tmzt_ | no, c |
| 05:10.20 | tmzt_ | rhcp[linux]: you pressing it? |
| 05:10.37 | rhcp[linux] | tmzt_, no, you didnt ask |
| 05:10.39 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 05:10.42 | rhcp[linux] | am now |
| 05:11.10 | tmzt_ | okay, nothing on uart |
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| 05:31.46 | gtkansan | Can anyone help me with a webos doctor meta? |
| 05:31.54 | gtkansan | Im trying to just get the damn thing to build... |
| 05:31.57 | gtkansan | Worked fine yesterday |
| 05:32.03 | rwhitby | gtkansan: what instructions are you following? |
| 05:32.18 | gtkansan | now it fails on ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py |
| 05:32.24 | gtkansan | says permission denied |
| 05:32.31 | gtkansan | what are the file permissions supposed to be? |
| 05:32.42 | gtkansan | I hate linux and its stupid permission crap |
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| 05:32.47 | rwhitby | gtkansan: please update the wiki page to tell people not to run it on a FAT filesystem |
| 05:33.01 | gtkansan | huh |
| 05:33.22 | rhcp[linux] | i think that was humor |
| 05:33.23 | rwhitby | gtkansan: the wiki page which has the instructions you are following |
| 05:33.33 | rwhitby | rhcp[linux]: no, it's the most common cause for that error |
| 05:33.45 | rhcp[linux] | rwatkins, ah :) |
| 05:33.47 | gtkansan | im running a native dual boot of ubuntu |
| 05:33.55 | rhcp[linux] | I thought you were being humorous about windows ;) |
| 05:33.57 | rhcp[linux] | and linux |
| 05:34.04 | gtkansan | any clue |
| 05:34.07 | gtkansan | .? |
| 05:34.07 | rwhitby | gtkansan: again, what instructions are you following? |
| 05:34.12 | gtkansan | It ran fine last night |
| 05:34.14 | gtkansan | the wiki instructions |
| 05:34.21 | rhcp[linux] | try pasting a link? |
| 05:34.22 | rwhitby | gtkansan: again, what instructions are you following? URL please. |
| 05:34.24 | rhcp[linux] | i think thats what he wants |
| 05:34.28 | gtkansan | one sec. |
| 05:34.33 | gtkansan | gotta find it again |
| 05:34.45 | gtkansan | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux |
| 05:35.17 | gtkansan | pre2, gsm unlocked, trying to just get my wifi profiles inserted this time as the file I pulled yesterday ended up being zero bytes... |
| 05:35.21 | rwhitby | gtkansan: ok, which step fails |
| 05:35.39 | gtkansan | I run : make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr all |
| 05:35.52 | gtkansan | it runs for a bit, then says it fails on: |
| 05:36.14 | gtkansan | /bin/sh: ./scripts/replace-md5sums.py: Permission denied |
| 05:36.15 | rwhitby | gtkansan: on what disk on your machine is this running, and what type of filesystem is on that disk |
| 05:36.25 | gtkansan | c drive of my machine |
| 05:36.29 | gtkansan | only linux is on this disk |
| 05:36.38 | gtkansan | windows is on a separate drive entirely |
| 05:36.47 | rwhitby | linux doesn't have a "C" drive, does it? |
| 05:36.52 | gtkansan | No diea |
| 05:37.05 | gtkansan | what ever the ubuntu install disk formatted it as I guess |
| 05:37.22 | gtkansan | I keep it on a separate disk entirely |
| 05:37.26 | rwhitby | gtkansan: pastebin.com the output of "mount" and "df" please |
| 05:37.54 | rwhitby | gtkansan: and "ls -l ./scripts" |
| 05:39.44 | gtkansan | http://pastebin.com/DQ83T0Xp# |
| 05:40.33 | gtkansan | http://pastebin.com/1yAQ0W6k |
| 05:41.16 | rwhitby | gtkansan: all your scripts have lost ugo+x |
| 05:41.28 | gtkansan | How can I fix that? |
| 05:41.43 | rwhitby | gtkansan: either your git checkout is incorrect, or the disk you are doing this on is not compatible with Linux filesystem semantics |
| 05:41.58 | rwhitby | gtkansan: what instructions did you follow to set up Linux. URL please. |
| 05:42.02 | gtkansan | What could have changed overnight? |
| 05:42.17 | gtkansan | I followed the wiki exactly |
| 05:42.25 | gtkansan | this is a new disk and ubuntu 11 install |
| 05:42.52 | gtkansan | I selectively remove drives when I run linux as it always messed up my unix disks |
| 05:43.00 | gtkansan | so I keep it segregated |
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| 05:44.21 | rwhitby | gtkansan: what instructions did you follow to set up Linux. URL please. |
| 05:44.35 | rwhitby | you may notice a pattern here ;) |
| 05:44.44 | gtkansan | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux |
| 05:45.20 | rwhitby | gtkansan: no, that is how to set up Meta-Doctor on Linux. How did you set up Linux. |
| 05:46.09 | gtkansan | I didnt follow any specific instructions, downloaded ubuntu 11.04 disk, burned it. Connected empty partitionless drive to the sata connector (and disconnected all others) |
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| 05:46.22 | gtkansan | Booted with ubuntu disk and let it run to install |
| 05:46.25 | gtkansan | nothing special |
| 05:46.33 | rwhitby | ok, that should work. |
| 05:46.42 | rwhitby | gtkansan: try this: |
| 05:46.55 | rwhitby | touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foor |
| 05:46.59 | rwhitby | oops |
| 05:47.01 | rwhitby | touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foo |
| 05:47.08 | rwhitby | pastebin the output please |
| 05:48.15 | gtkansan | root@ubuntu:/home/andrew/meta-doctor# touch foo ; chmod ugo+x foo ; ls -l foo |
| 05:48.17 | gtkansan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2011-09-03 01:48 foo |
| 05:48.21 | gtkansan | THats all I get out |
| 05:50.00 | lonequid | whats your umask? |
| 05:50.17 | rwhitby | gtkansan: remove the meta-doctor directory and start again |
| 05:50.45 | rwhitby | then pastebin the output from "ls -l ./scripts" and compare with previous |
| 05:57.13 | rhcp[linux] | i think you first problem is running it as root |
| 05:57.14 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 05:57.19 | rhcp[linux] | unless metadr needs it |
| 05:57.21 | rhcp[linux] | to compile |
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| 06:00.36 | rwhitby | it does not |
| 06:12.12 | gtkansan | http://pastebin.com/7iRhkHkp |
| 06:12.20 | gtkansan | Restart from the beginning |
| 06:12.25 | gtkansan | run make and now error 2? |
| 06:19.10 | rwhitby | gtkansan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Basic_Linux_Use |
| 06:20.06 | rwhitby | I would suggest you do things in your home directory, not in / |
| 06:21.00 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 06:21.20 | gtkansan | I dont understand, wiki says: enter meta-doctor directory to run make |
| 06:21.32 | gtkansan | Ive made 4-5 doctors before and never had an issue |
| 06:26.44 | gtkansan | so basically the make file is pointing to /meta-doctor right? |
| 06:27.12 | gtkansan | instead of a local /home/andrew/meta-doctor |
| 06:28.52 | gtkansan | Well got it to work |
| 06:29.14 | rhcp[linux] | moving it out of / |
| 06:29.17 | rhcp[linux] | did the trick eh |
| 06:29.24 | gtkansan | May want to add that to the wiki... as its not very clear that it wont be linking to a local file even if you run the make command somewhere else |
| 06:29.43 | gtkansan | I had to move it OUT of /home/andrew/ and into the base of the file system |
| 06:30.06 | rwhitby | gtkansan: where would you add that to the wiki? |
| 06:30.29 | gtkansan | Right at the top... saying 'you must be in such directory to begin this process' |
| 06:30.33 | rwhitby | gtkansan: you should not be doing anything in / |
| 06:30.46 | rwhitby | gtkansan: which wiki page. URL please. |
| 06:31.06 | gtkansan | never mind |
| 06:32.31 | gtkansan | Just going to doctor back to stock and sell. Reminded me why I left webos before, too much work for too little gain. Modding android is MUCH easier and fewer pitfalls. |
| 06:33.04 | gtkansan | I can change the entire partitioning system of my gslate in minutes with linux, yet somehow here running something as simple as a doctor prep can require hours |
| 06:33.19 | rwhitby | gtkansan: ok, ciao. |
| 06:33.21 | rhcp[linux] | learn linux :) |
| 06:33.32 | gtkansan | Haha. |
| 06:34.18 | gtkansan | I wrote my doctoral dissertation compressive fracture modeling of explosion welding in linux man |
| 06:34.22 | gtkansan | im not a noon. |
| 06:34.25 | gtkansan | oob |
| 06:34.36 | rwhitby | gtkansan: BTW, step 4 added to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Linux (you may need to shift-reload to see it) |
| 06:35.30 | rwhitby | thanks for highlighting the missing step which could cause folks problems |
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| 06:59.26 | Aoi-re | mh do you know some how-to-thread for installing a custom kernel on a veer? (warthog for instance - if that matters) |
| 07:00.02 | rwhitby | Aoi-re: http://bit.ly/phd-ac |
| 07:02.20 | rwhitby | Aoi-re: then http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
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| 07:50.55 | rhcp[linux] | nite all |
| 08:02.01 | Jack87 | c drive lol |
| 08:08.24 | Jack87 | bye rhcp |
| 08:08.28 | Jack87 | rhcp[linux], * |
| 08:29.16 | Aoi-re | rwhitby thank you :). I've found it without looking here - but thank you for your help :) - seems to work like a charm. |
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| 09:38.57 | eliasp | Preware has on my Pre3 a black border at the bottom... has this something to do with the different screensize of the Pre3? |
| 09:40.13 | rwhitby | yes |
| 09:40.24 | rwhitby | apps have to be changed to remove it |
| 09:40.34 | eliasp | is this an already known issue or do you need any further information/screenshot? |
| 09:40.38 | rwhitby | I personally like it, cause then notifications don't change the size of the screen :) |
| 09:40.45 | eliasp | hehe, ok |
| 09:40.56 | rwhitby | but yes, it will be fixed eventually |
| 09:41.03 | eliasp | on the other hand it's missing the nicely rounded corners at the bottom ;) |
| 09:41.04 | eliasp | ok |
| 09:41.21 | eliasp | even the new maps application has a completely messed up layout on the Pre3 |
| 09:48.21 | Aoi-re | hm .. do I understand correct? webos is basically linux? sorry if this is a really noobish question |
| 09:48.29 | eliasp | Aoi-re: yes, it is |
| 09:49.00 | eliasp | Aoi-re: webOS is a Linux Kernel, some GNU userland + a proprietary UI layer on top |
| 09:50.41 | Aoi-re | I see .. hm then .. just thinking .. wouldn't it be possible to have it mount a usb-stick if attached somehow? (the Veer doesn't have a proper USB-port.. but if it has the USBhost interface it might be possible, no?) |
| 09:51.06 | eliasp | Aoi-re: yes, it should be possible when using the right cables for it |
| 09:51.18 | Aoi-re | interesting... |
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| 10:39.57 | discord | really impressed with my touchpad, is webOS being abondoned? |
| 10:45.57 | rwhitby | what official statements from HP have you read? |
| 10:47.28 | discord | none |
| 10:47.52 | discord | is there a terminal app? |
| 10:48.43 | discord | I read there is xterm and xecutah, but cannot find them in preware |
| 10:49.00 | rwhitby | http://developer.palm.com/blog/ |
| 10:49.02 | discord | not sure what xecutah is |
| 10:50.05 | rwhitby | http://test.preware.org/ |
| 10:50.10 | rwhitby | oops |
| 10:50.14 | rwhitby | http://testing.preware.org/ |
| 10:50.40 | rwhitby | xecutah is in the testing feeds. make sure you read the rules first. |
| 10:53.58 | discord | one more question, I installed the disable ripple effect from preware, but it doesn't seem to disable. any exp with that? |
| 10:59.07 | k1l | restart luna |
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| 11:03.04 | discord | is the touchpad gonna preform poorly if I install xecutah /xterm/xserver? |
| 11:03.16 | rwhitby | discord: did installation of the patch request you to restart luna? |
| 11:04.22 | discord | it did and I hit it, will see if a manual restart works. etc is Luna anyhow? |
| 11:04.29 | discord | wtf |
| 11:07.22 | discord | how do I manually restart luna? |
| 11:08.34 | k1l | discord: if do not have the advanced power menue just do a reboot |
| 11:10.24 | discord | i ll search for advanced power menu, since I don't wanna reboot |
| 11:12.32 | k1l | hmm, restart of luna will close your apps anyway afaik |
| 11:12.49 | k1l | hmm, too late? :) |
| 11:15.20 | rwhitby | Preware has Luna Manager in the app menu |
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| 11:20.32 | discord | thanks all! goodnight! |
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| 11:41.17 | zomg | Is there some trick on Pre 2 to change the hardware keyboard layout? |
| 11:41.52 | zomg | I was thinking of maybe remapping some of them to produce ä and ö which are a pain in the ass to write using the symbol selector thing |
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| 12:58.52 | eliasp | any devs of the Navit/Navit-Maps package around? |
| 13:15.24 | grndslm | anybody here ever switch from a sprintified pre2 to another phone, then back to the pre2?? |
| 13:16.47 | grndslm | basically... is a comm board swap still necessary to activate the pre2 for the second time?? i'm guessing no, but perhaps yes?? |
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| 13:30.59 | haeffb | grndslm: I'd guess yes, a comm board swap is required, since the board must be activated on Sprint before it will work in the Pre2, and you can't do the activation FROM the Pre2. But don't quote me on that... |
| 13:32.16 | grndslm | well, see... if it's activated once.. and it continues to work.. and it "remains in the system".... why would re-activating it on the SAME line not work? |
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| 14:29.17 | luwangui | So they way i understand, if you buggered the first activation of the pre 3 (wrong country), the only way to get into the app catalogue is to get a new phone, or to fake the phone ID (IMEI or whatever). Right? |
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| 14:30.16 | luwangui | The Pre 3 has been such a bittersweet experience so far :( |
| 14:32.47 | eliasp | luwangui: that's what Impostah can be used for |
| 14:33.14 | eliasp | luwangui: I've imported a Pre3 from France to Germany and it has been a purely sweet experience so far ;) |
| 14:34.10 | luwangui | yes, of course you can get on the catalogue in germany, its a release country |
| 14:34.27 | eliasp | luwangui: yes, but I think to access it from somewhere else, Impostah could be used |
| 14:34.28 | luwangui | i'm just north of you (denmark), and i can only acces a handfull of apps |
| 14:34.46 | luwangui | i haven't been able to download any app through impostah |
| 14:34.47 | eliasp | luwangui: I've never used Impostah for it so far, but AFAIK it should help here |
| 14:34.53 | luwangui | i just get a "app not found" |
| 14:34.57 | eliasp | hmm k |
| 14:35.05 | luwangui | even though i have the app id |
| 14:35.44 | luwangui | i have tried a lot of things, and i'm starting to get pretty desperate :S |
| 14:36.40 | luwangui | if i hadn't just bought the touchpad, i'd probably try to get a new pre, just for the app catalogue (impostah'ing it properly on first use of course) |
| 14:37.01 | luwangui | alas, being a student, i can't exactly afford that |
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| 14:37.51 | luwangui | So i make up a bunch of crap to palm support in hopes of getting a new one, or i work on spoofing the phone id to the app store so i can get access |
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| 16:00.28 | luwangui | any meta-doctor for pre 3 yet? |
| 16:02.01 | bpadalino | luwangui: check the log - http://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor/ |
| 16:02.26 | luwangui | oh nice, thanks |
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| 16:11.15 | bpadalino | fun |
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| 19:08.36 | qualcomm | whens android ready for touchpad? |
| 19:09.11 | qualcomm | thanks for the help |
| 19:09.38 | destinal__ | qualcomm: probably be a while. this is a webos hacking channel so android's kind of off topic but there are other channels out there where people are working on that stuff |
| 19:10.10 | destinal__ | I think there are some issues with getting data from the touchscreen at this point |
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| 19:23.09 | luwangui | qualcomm don't you have plenty of android tablets with your chipset? :) |
| 19:24.08 | win7 | qualcomm quit right after asking the question, guys :| |
| 19:24.33 | win7 | How much space have you chroot guys allocated to your linux environments? :) |
| 19:24.53 | YeahRight_ | what wireless speed is my TP supposed to get? i'm uploading through openssh with only like 200-700 kb/s |
| 19:24.55 | YeahRight_ | and how can i prevent files to fail cause the TP goes to sleep mode? i already use DOZE to keep wifi on but apperantly its not enuf? |
| 19:25.30 | win7 | Wireless N, but that depends on your WAP |
| 19:26.10 | win7 | settings > wifi > sleep settings |
| 19:26.16 | YeahRight_ | well this isnt nearly as good as N |
| 19:26.25 | YeahRight_ | something must be wrong then? |
| 19:26.59 | win7 | ...what WAP do you have? |
| 19:27.04 | win7 | is it running at N? |
| 19:27.17 | YeahRight_ | yes |
| 19:27.19 | win7 | Do you have any other devices connected to the WAP, and what speeds are they getting? |
| 19:27.25 | YeahRight_ | they get N |
| 19:27.51 | win7 | What speeds? |
| 19:28.03 | YeahRight_ | maybe it has to do with wireless copying of files through openssh somehow? |
| 19:28.11 | YeahRight_ | maximum N speed |
| 19:28.15 | win7 | ... |
| 19:28.23 | win7 | How good is the signal to your WAP? |
| 19:29.02 | YeahRight_ | pad shows maximum number of "bows" |
| 19:29.03 | win7 | You can try this with openSSH: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH#Speed_up_SSH |
| 19:29.23 | win7 | YeahRight_: how good is the signal? |
| 19:29.29 | win7 | the touchpad is horrible about the "bows" |
| 19:29.38 | win7 | mine show max, but the signal is only a measly -81 dBm |
| 19:29.50 | win7 | If I'm near my WAP, I get about -31 dBm |
| 19:29.59 | YeahRight_ | where can i find that? |
| 19:30.08 | YeahRight_ | appreciate your help btw ;-) |
| 19:30.23 | win7 | go to settingsd >wifi > click on WAP > top left corner > AP info |
| 19:30.25 | win7 | :-) |
| 19:30.57 | YeahRight_ | yeah just found it again..i knew i saw it before;-) |
| 19:31.03 | YeahRight_ | -70 dBm |
| 19:31.19 | win7 | I'd try those tips on the arch linux wiki |
| 19:31.39 | YeahRight_ | ok will check |
| 19:31.41 | win7 | you have ssh setup, so typing in the text /copy pasting should be fairly easy :-) |
| 19:32.20 | YeahRight_ | keep wifi ON has been On btw |
| 19:32.37 | win7 | Perhaps try removing DOZE? |
| 19:32.44 | win7 | I don't now if it works for the touchpad properly |
| 19:32.46 | YeahRight_ | and still i get that file transfer fail (besides being slow as well) |
| 19:32.50 | win7 | I don't use it, and I've never had a disconnect |
| 19:32.55 | YeahRight_ | yeah well i would have asked that too.. |
| 19:32.57 | win7 | on ssh |
| 19:33.01 | YeahRight_ | i think DOZE doesnt work at all.. |
| 19:33.06 | win7 | This is 2.0.3, right? |
| 19:33.11 | win7 | er |
| 19:33.13 | win7 | 3.0.2 :) |
| 19:33.15 | YeahRight_ | yes |
| 19:33.29 | win7 | I don't use any apps that aren't 3.0+ native |
| 19:33.38 | YeahRight_ | well |
| 19:33.46 | YeahRight_ | preware doesnt tell that does it? |
| 19:33.53 | YeahRight_ | (its all rather new to me) |
| 19:33.58 | win7 | when you install it and it uses a tiny screen, I remove it :) |
| 19:34.03 | YeahRight_ | yeah ok.. |
| 19:34.05 | win7 | except for pandora >_> that's the only one |
| 19:34.13 | YeahRight_ | pandora? whats that? |
| 19:34.31 | win7 | Internet radio |
| 19:34.37 | win7 | it's on the hp store |
| 19:34.40 | YeahRight_ | btw...i discoevered that installing the bourne shell kills the whole ssh setup |
| 19:34.44 | YeahRight_ | free? |
| 19:34.50 | win7 | Oh yeah |
| 19:34.52 | win7 | .... |
| 19:34.58 | win7 | bourne again, you mean? |
| 19:35.22 | win7 | you have to edit /etc/shells |
| 19:35.27 | win7 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_Bash#Preliminaries |
| 19:35.33 | YeahRight_ | ah.. |
| 19:35.36 | win7 | >>>>>Super Important: Before you switch your login shell in /etc/passwd, you MUST create /etc/shells and add /opt/bin/bash and /bin/sh to it. If you do not, you will lock yourself out of the Pre on anything but novacom term if you switch your default shell. |
| 19:35.49 | win7 | I personally use dash because it's faster |
| 19:35.56 | YeahRight_ | i seê~ |
| 19:36.09 | YeahRight_ | good tips ;-) |
| 19:36.49 | eliasp | is there a way to use the charger state as trigger in Mode Switcher? I'd like to trigger some actions when the device is charging.... |
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| 19:40.31 | win7 | eliasp: it might be under battery level? |
| 19:40.46 | win7 | There should be a Charger mode already, though |
| 19:41.31 | eliasp | hmm, i'm on a Pre3... does this make a difference? can't find any battery trigger |
| 19:41.53 | win7 | The developer uses a pre3 |
| 19:41.57 | win7 | I would think that it'd work :-/ |
| 19:42.06 | win7 | here's the thread, you might want to ask: http://forums.precentral.net/enlightened-linux-solutions/279166-app-mode-switcher-2-x-40.html |
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| 19:42.58 | eliasp | win7: thx, going to ask there |
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| 19:49.04 | robobot[0] | Preware touchpad bug: after a search in preware, pressing backspace on the vkeyboard until every letter is deleted exits search mode |
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| 19:59.54 | chpwn | robobot[0]: i'm not sure it's a bug |
| 20:00.08 | chpwn | if it is, i'll fix it, but i don't think that is |
| 20:00.20 | chpwn | er, maybe, let me see |
| 20:02.22 | Tibfib | It is unfortunate |
| 20:02.30 | Tibfib | but don't think it fits the "bug" category |
| 20:02.49 | chpwn | yeah, it's a bug |
| 20:02.49 | Damm | anyone see a problem with hp veer's getting memory critical lately? |
| 20:02.52 | Damm | seems to be re-occuring |
| 20:02.57 | chpwn | fixes it |
| 20:03.04 | Tibfib | on a device with a keyboard, that makes perfect sense since you can start searching just as easily by typing again |
| 20:03.55 | zefyx | im going to open my touchpad up |
| 20:04.16 | zefyx | look for a point of 5v and eventually, wire the sim card slot as a sd reader |
| 20:04.19 | zefyx | with the new news. |
| 20:04.37 | zefyx | <eliasp> hmm, i'm on a Pre3... |
| 20:04.40 | zefyx | i envy you |
| 20:05.20 | Damm | who is the US carrier's that are getting that? or should I just suck it up with 1900GSM? |
| 20:05.27 | Damm | lame question i know |
| 20:05.41 | destinal__ | zefyx: ah usb host mode with the board from a small usb sd reader? |
| 20:05.51 | Damm | http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3150 |
| 20:05.57 | Damm | it doesn't know heh |
| 20:06.00 | eliasp | zefyx: I'm very lucky... got it after 1 week of digging through stores all over the world... finally imported a French Pre3 to Germany ;) |
| 20:06.29 | zefyx | destinal__: ideally, yes |
| 20:06.43 | zefyx | i purchased over 10 card readers from dealextreme |
| 20:06.48 | zefyx | all for $4 or less |
| 20:08.03 | win7 | I got one from meritline for 69 cents shipped |
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| 20:13.15 | robobot[0] | chpwn: awesome, thanks |
| 20:14.00 | zefyx | nice eliasp |
| 20:14.01 | chpwn | let me know if you find any more bugs like that :p |
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| 20:14.04 | zefyx | i want a pre2 so bad |
| 20:14.07 | zefyx | er, *3 |
| 20:14.11 | robobot[0] | Tibfib: the keyboard also disappears when search mode is exited |
| 20:14.11 | chpwn | i want a pre3 too :< |
| 20:14.13 | zefyx | looks like im going to have to settle with a veer. |
| 20:14.33 | robobot[0] | chpwn: will do. glad the irc channel is listed in help |
| 20:14.38 | zefyx | i'm up in the air though. i remember the app support for the pixi. with them both having the same size screens.. i don't want a neutered app catalog experience. |
| 20:14.40 | eliasp | my old Pre- died exactly the week HP announced the "big news" |
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| 20:15.30 | chpwn | robobot[0]: fixed on touchpad, testing for regressions on pre2 now |
| 20:15.35 | robobot[0] | oh i see what Tibfib_ meant - he was referring to the other devices that do have kb |
| 20:15.58 | chpwn | Tibfib_: i made it touchpad specific |
| 20:16.50 | win7 | would there be any negative effects to formating /media/internal as ext4 and then changing fstab accordingly? |
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| 20:21.15 | robobot[0] | chpwn: one more - in Manage Feeds, and Preferences, the space around the application menu is transparent where the shadow should be |
| 20:21.23 | chpwn | i saw that |
| 20:21.27 | chpwn | not sure what cuases that one |
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| 20:22.27 | robobot[0] | yeah i guessed as much, since it should be automatic. that whole animation is often glitchy anyway |
| 20:24.08 | chpwn | robobot[0]: fix for the first issue will be in the next preware release, hopefully |
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| 20:42.07 | rhcp[linux] | chpwn, hhee |
| 20:42.10 | rhcp[linux] | you know i never noticed that |
| 20:42.11 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 20:42.17 | rhcp[linux] | or i dont care much |
| 20:42.17 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 20:42.21 | chpwn | huh? |
| 20:42.27 | rhcp[linux] | the search issue you are talking about |
| 20:42.42 | chpwn | ah, i didn't either |
| 20:42.45 | chpwn | robobot[0] did :p |
| 20:42.45 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 20:42.54 | rhcp[linux] | i dont think i cared enough |
| 20:42.55 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 20:43.04 | rhcp[linux] | should be a simple fix though |
| 20:49.51 | chpwn | it is fixed |
| 20:50.06 | rhcp[linux] | ah |
| 20:50.09 | rhcp[linux] | figured as much |
| 20:50.09 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 20:50.13 | rhcp[linux] | 1 line fix? |
| 20:54.03 | robobot[0] | hmm i installed 'add launcher tabs' but i dont see them after a reboot. |
| 20:57.18 | win7 | Can meta doctor make ext4 partitions too, or just ext3? |
| 20:57.39 | rhcp[linux] | ext3 |
| 20:57.45 | rhcp[linux] | the default kernel only supports ext3 |
| 20:57.50 | rhcp[linux] | so i assume the dr can only make ext3 |
| 20:57.54 | win7 | My kernel supports ext4 >_> |
| 20:58.02 | rhcp[linux] | so create your own LVM |
| 20:58.06 | rhcp[linux] | and mkfsext4 |
| 20:59.19 | win7 | Can I just mount my touchpad and use gparted to format it and then update fstab? |
| 20:59.28 | win7 | partition and format* |
| 20:59.35 | rhcp[linux] | no |
| 20:59.37 | rhcp[linux] | i told you how |
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| 22:03.25 | yoyo | yo |
| 22:03.47 | yoyo | hello |
| 22:03.51 | dtzWill | yoyo: yo |
| 22:04.26 | dtzWill | :( |
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