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| 00:07.03 | nn7 | hey everyone! I had an old palm pre plus that I used to tether to my laptop for wireless internet. I had the old phone die and had to swap it for a new one. When I plug the new one in it doesn't work as a modem |
| 00:07.18 | nn7 | I have freetether on the phone, but windows doesn't seem to see the modem |
| 00:08.01 | fahhem | you already killed a pre+? wow |
| 00:08.32 | Jack87-Home | lol |
| 00:08.39 | nn7 | had it for nearly a year |
| 00:08.42 | Jack87-Home | you need to enable usbnet nn7 |
| 00:09.00 | nn7 | I accidentally yanked on a cord plugged into the headphone jack so the phone always thought something was plugged in |
| 00:09.19 | nn7 | luckily verizon just thought the speaker and mic were broken so they gave me a new phone |
| 00:09.22 | Jack87-Home | nn7: enable usbnet |
| 00:09.39 | Jack87-Home | nn7: its kind of a known issue. mine did that before |
| 00:09.51 | fahhem | on windows or the phone? |
| 00:09.56 | nn7 | I was really happy though, the old palm pre plus had a horrible keyboard, missing letters, duplicate letters, etc. Typing everything took forever |
| 00:10.47 | Jack87-Home | usbnet needs to be enable on the phone |
| 00:10.50 | Jack87-Home | the command is... |
| 00:10.52 | Jack87-Home | usbnet enable |
| 00:11.03 | nn7 | I googled it, thanks |
| 00:12.07 | nn7 | rebooting... |
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| 00:18.46 | Jack87-Home | nn7: work out ok? |
| 00:18.51 | nn7 | Jack87-Home: thanks! Looks like it worked |
| 00:19.01 | Jack87-Home | nn7: sweet enjoy |
| 00:19.06 | nn7 | wireless is disabled and I'm still online |
| 00:22.24 | nn7 | happy new year to you, sir |
| 00:24.59 | nn7 | am I still connected? |
| 00:25.07 | SineOt | yup |
| 00:25.11 | nn7 | yay |
| 00:25.13 | nn7 | thanks |
| 00:25.41 | fahhem | did you disable your original internet connection? |
| 00:26.04 | nn7 | yes, I was using wireless tethering before |
| 00:26.50 | nn7 | and now I must go |
| 00:26.54 | nn7 | good night everyone! |
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| 02:06.44 | fahhem | man, there should be warnings about how much space WIDK takes... i ran into "not enough space left..." errors |
| 02:07.15 | fahhem | 3GB for just the packages |
| 02:10.08 | fahhem | and if i try to delete some stuff and re-run make stage, it just download them again, even when they're unnecessary... |
| 02:10.32 | destinal | fahhem: just move them to the disabled package dir |
| 02:11.27 | fahhem | the problem is that i need make stage to complete at least the first time |
| 02:11.41 | fahhem | so i could one-by-one move them to nonworking |
| 02:14.04 | blino | hello |
| 02:14.12 | fahhem | hello |
| 02:14.27 | blino | is WebOS doctor supposed to be working on Palm Pre2 from France? |
| 02:14.37 | blino | I does not find my device (on linux) |
| 02:14.57 | destinal | blino: that's because novacom doesn't recognize the USB product id |
| 02:15.26 | destinal | new versions of novacom drivers are IN the doctor but only for windows and OSX |
| 02:15.48 | blino | destinal: is WebOS doctor relying on palm-novacom and palm-sdk tools? it seems it has builtin drivers |
| 02:15.55 | blino | ah, ok |
| 02:15.58 | destinal | it relies on novacomd |
| 02:16.24 | destinal | so you either need to be running OSX or Windows which it will automatically install the drivers for |
| 02:16.27 | blino | I applied to the early access program to get the newer drivers, guess I'll just have to wait a bit |
| 02:16.29 | destinal | OR have an updated SDK |
| 02:17.03 | destinal | blino: I came up with the ugly hack of hexediting novacomd to put in the proper ID's |
| 02:17.19 | blino | I could do that has well :) |
| 02:19.00 | destinal | let me see if I have the offset handy |
| 02:20.21 | blino | "old" id is 0x8002, right? |
| 02:23.06 | destinal | there are lots of ID's you can replace but it's important to replace both the ID for standard novacom in webos and the bootie one (they are one ID difference) +1 or -1 , I forget |
| 02:23.39 | destinal | and apparently the log bot must have been broken since it wasn't in the log. obviously I rely on it too much :) |
| 02:24.20 | destinal | let me hexdump / diff the one on my linux laptop I patched |
| 02:26.30 | destinal | http://pastebin.com/09mgSRMA |
| 02:27.48 | destinal | fair warning, this modified version works on Pre2 but may not work on other devices, I thought the ID's I used were for pre+ but it doesn't seem to work on my original pre after pathcing either. not too terrible as you can always kill one version to run this one |
| 02:30.03 | destinal | blino: this is 0830:8001 -> 0830:8041 and 0830:8002 -> 0830:8042 |
| 02:31.11 | destinal | probably these ID's are for original castle which is why my original pre no longer works in this modified binary |
| 02:31.31 | blino | destinal: thanks, I patched it fine :) |
| 02:32.17 | blino | I have some usb errors: usbll(00000000) error reading packet, retry: rc(-1), errno 9 |
| 02:32.35 | destinal | I think those occur sometimes in the background and one just never sees them |
| 02:33.00 | blino | usb_handle 0x00000000 |
| 02:33.05 | blino | is that one supposed to be NULL? |
| 02:33.55 | destinal | blino: that's odd, never seen that. you stopped the normal novacomd and ran the patched one? does it see your device? |
| 02:34.44 | destinal | I totally doctored a pre2 with it so it should be fine but more results from others testing it would be good |
| 02:35.01 | blino | yes, no other novacomd process was running, and ran the patched one, it detected my 0x8042 (was not detected by the vanilla one) |
| 02:40.06 | destinal | blino: depending on how long it takes for Palm to release a SDK supporting pre2 we could probably refine the patch by finding a USB VID /PID not used except internally at Palm so that nobody would have to run two versions or lose access to a specific type of device to gain pre2 |
| 02:41.07 | destinal | hopefully a 2.0.x public SDK supporting pre2 will be out soon though |
| 02:41.14 | blino | yep, they should release an updated novacomd 1.0.64 soon |
| 02:41.42 | blino | thanks for your help destinal |
| 02:41.55 | destinal | blino: you're welcome |
| 02:42.25 | blino | nice to see hexedit used around |
| 02:42.38 | blino | it has been written by a colleague of mine, back at Mandrake/Mandriva |
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| 02:51.48 | blino | destinal: found a solution on palm.com forums, with Ubuntu's libusb, it works fine, http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4233 |
| 02:53.10 | halfhalo | sues |
| 02:53.54 | blino | strange, I should have a closer look at their libusb patches |
| 02:55.03 | halfhalo | is deciding between coding and watching diy network |
| 02:57.52 | blino | destinal: thanks a lot, I have preware installed now |
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| 03:23.28 | fahhem | tmandry: did you get around to committing my patches yet? |
| 03:29.29 | tmandry | fahhem: working on it now. you've confirmed that they build? |
| 03:31.36 | fahhem | they build the packages they're made for |
| 03:32.01 | fahhem | i haven't finished running make stage though |
| 03:32.10 | tmandry | that should be good enough |
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| 03:35.38 | fahhem | i got another one coming to fix pidgin |
| 03:37.55 | fahhem | yeah, now it's up to 4, though i had to disable elementary because they added epoll usage which qemu doesn't handle |
| 03:40.15 | tmandry | I just pushed your first 3 |
| 03:40.28 | tmandry | more are no problem |
| 03:40.57 | tmandry | sorry for the delay, I was mucking with trying to compile qt in WIDK.. was a mess. got it working though |
| 03:41.13 | fahhem | it's cool |
| 03:41.22 | fahhem | do you know about the git-apply command? |
| 03:41.47 | tmandry | ah.. now I do |
| 03:42.08 | fahhem | it's too late, but my fourth patch is uploaded and ready to be apply'd |
| 03:44.43 | tmandry | done |
| 03:46.04 | fahhem | dang, thought my name would be under author if you ran git-apply |
| 03:46.20 | tmandry | hm I did |
| 03:46.27 | tmandry | didn't work though |
| 03:46.43 | tmandry | but thanks for all the patches so far. you should talk to rwhitby about getting access |
| 03:46.52 | fahhem | i will, thanks |
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| 04:03.23 | seb_or_sam | So how're things going with the franken pre 2- making the pre 2 work on sprint or verizon I mean. Any progress? |
| 04:10.15 | Jack87-Nook | seb its just a comm board swap plus tokens. |
| 04:11.16 | seb_or_sam | Jack76-Nook: yes but are the problems worked out yet? Profile issues, etc. |
| 04:11.45 | Jack87-Nook | you can also grab the file that has sprint apps on it and remake the doctor for the pre2 w/ meta doctor |
| 04:12.04 | seb_or_sam | Or in my case Verizon |
| 04:12.18 | Jack87-Nook | im not sure about the profiles i think you can w/ pre2 |
| 04:12.20 | seb_or_sam | I know my way around meta-doctor well enough |
| 04:12.58 | seb_or_sam | But the whole GSM-to-CDMA thing kinda gave way to some profile issues i mean- as in, making existing profiles work |
| 04:13.11 | seb_or_sam | Because of the way first-use works I'm guessing |
| 04:14.10 | Jack87-Nook | if you activate your phone and login w/ existing profile on pre2 it should work. i think. |
| 04:14.26 | Jack87-Nook | ask rod to confirm |
| 04:14.33 | seb_or_sam | I should |
| 04:15.09 | seb_or_sam | Guess I'll wait for rwhitby to answer. |
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| 04:34.12 | bhuey | folks |
| 04:34.26 | destinal | blino: nice |
| 04:34.27 | bhuey | wishes everybody a happy new webos 2.0 year |
| 04:34.52 | bhuey | bitches at HPalm better get it out sooner than later |
| 04:35.05 | destinal | blino: also you don't have to metadoctor to bypass activation, you can use Palm's devicetool |
| 04:35.12 | destinal | should have mentioned that I guess :) |
| 04:35.18 | destinal | it still needs novacomd though |
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| 04:42.10 | Tayler900 | hi |
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| 05:24.01 | fahhem | sweet, figured out how to delete the doctors and downloaded files without getting them re-downloaded |
| 05:24.15 | fahhem | for file in $(ls downloads/ doctors/); do rm $file; touch $file; done |
| 05:24.29 | fahhem | make doesn't check if the file is valid, just that it exists |
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| 05:35.49 | fahhem | nvm, that just makes things fail later... |
| 05:47.08 | tmandry | lol |
| 05:49.43 | fahhem | i'm going around my ~/projects folder looking for large files to delete... finding random files from years ago littered around |
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| 06:11.33 | torchie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.48 | fahhem | not projects, just data in them |
| 06:12.01 | fahhem | like big tarballs, output/logs, etc |
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| 06:12.24 | fahhem | basically what i'm gonna do to the widk the moment it's done |
| 06:12.55 | fahhem | i'm still on armv6 too, i'm running out of memory without being able to compile for my own device |
| 06:13.03 | fahhem | s/memory/space/ |
| 06:14.17 | SineOt | You know, it might be worth pointing out that for a lot of users for webOS recovery, it's easier to memboot the full kernel to fix whatever you did (works great when a Pre/Pixi won't boot because the OC kernel won't boot~) |
| 06:15.15 | fahhem | SineOt: what are you working on that almost-bricked your phone? |
| 06:15.41 | SineOt | Nothing, but I tried out the SR71 OC kernel and it sat at the flashing Palm logo |
| 06:17.35 | torchie | yeah the memboot is magic |
| 06:17.37 | torchie | magic on wheels |
| 06:17.45 | torchie | I thought I was doomed and then BAM memboot power |
| 06:19.17 | SineOt | yeah it's awesome |
| 06:23.34 | destinal | torchie: even without bootie you could still boot the omap over usb. |
| 06:23.56 | destinal | therefore the "can't brick one without hardware damage" saying |
| 06:24.07 | torchie | shoot I thought the hardware was damaged |
| 06:24.27 | SineOt | Is there anything like that for the Pixi since it's not OMAP and instead an MSM? |
| 06:24.52 | torchie | when the device suddenly goes into a continuous loop of palm non-flashing logo for hours on end I have a terrible habit of assuming "hardware damage" D: |
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| 06:26.18 | destinal | SineOt: very good question |
| 06:26.25 | destinal | no idea |
| 06:26.26 | fahhem | WIDK wants to download gtk+ source (150MB) at 40kbps... |
| 06:26.45 | destinal | fahhem: when WIDK is done it's consumed like 2.5 gigs of my hard drive |
| 06:26.46 | destinal | it's insane |
| 06:26.52 | fahhem | only 2.5GB? |
| 06:27.08 | fahhem | i'm at 3.6GB for packages and i'm still only compiling armv6 |
| 06:27.23 | destinal | hmm maybe it was 3.5 |
| 06:27.36 | fahhem | plus toolchain, downloads, etc i'm at over 4GB, aka 20% of my hard drive |
| 06:27.57 | fahhem | yes, i know hard drives are cheap, but IDE drives are impossible to find these days |
| 06:28.21 | fahhem | oh nvm, i'm actually at 6.8GB, or 30% of my drive |
| 06:28.27 | SineOt | At that point, you just move to external storage. |
| 06:28.56 | fahhem | i'm in a different city right now, but that's what i plan on doing when i get back |
| 06:28.59 | SineOt | My old Mini had a 40GB 2.5" IDE drive... And I just went with a 500GB firewire/USB2 external. |
| 06:29.56 | Jack87-Nook | netbook has 500 gb sata |
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| 06:35.11 | destinal | fahhem: did you try just moving the packages to nonworking? |
| 06:35.26 | destinal | the ones you don't need I mean |
| 06:38.26 | fahhem | i don't know which ones i need |
| 06:39.41 | torchie | yo what is up with this TV show |
| 06:39.43 | torchie | ou |
| 06:39.44 | torchie | |
| 06:39.54 | torchie | you can't just have a 6 minute long cold open dammit |
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| 06:48.06 | fahhem | destinal: if i knew which apps were necessary to compile VBA, i'd only compile those |
| 06:48.39 | dtzWill | fahhem: just go to the VBA directory and run make stage |
| 06:48.52 | dtzWill | and it'll build exactly the ones you need |
| 06:48.56 | dtzWill | oh, right, vba isn't part of widk |
| 06:49.03 | dtzWill | you'd think me of all people would know that O:) |
| 06:49.36 | dtzWill | uh you need sdl, sdl_ttf, the tisgfgx libs... gles headers... |
| 06:49.40 | fahhem | why you of all people? |
| 06:49.58 | dtzWill | fahhem: b/c it's my app, the webos port anyway :) |
| 06:50.17 | fahhem | oh, well it's an honor to meet you |
| 06:50.33 | dtzWill | fahhem: which also makes me wanna ask/wonder what you're up to? :D |
| 06:50.40 | dtzWill | fahhem: hehe hardly, but ty |
| 06:51.32 | fahhem | oh, i wanted to see if i could expose some control over the vba's speed |
| 06:52.09 | fahhem | it runs at 103% no matter what i try |
| 06:52.28 | dtzWill | fahhem: o_O well it inserts pauses and the like to attempt to bring that to 100%, when in non-turbo mode |
| 06:52.37 | fahhem | and there's a room i can't get past with these controls at 103% |
| 06:52.51 | fahhem | for me it's steady at 103% |
| 06:53.02 | dtzWill | hmm, okay. so instead of just 'normal' and 'go fast' you're thinking a 'half speed' etc would be useful? |
| 06:53.15 | dtzWill | <3 that you're trying this yourself instead of submitting a feature request :D |
| 06:53.43 | fahhem | oh, armv7, yay! |
| 06:54.11 | fahhem | well, getting widk is a good benefit |
| 06:54.29 | fahhem | yeah, a half-speed to make up for using wasd controls |
| 06:54.59 | dtzWill | fahhem: check the config.sh in the vba source--it has notes about the toolchain i use (wrong versions have bugs or are slow), and also invokes the autotools to get things working with the same flags and whatnot |
| 06:55.11 | dtzWill | certainly not strictly necessary but a good starting point i'd hope :) |
| 06:55.29 | dtzWill | fahhem: interesting, that's a great idea, wonder why no one's suggested it before! |
| 06:55.39 | dtzWill | would be _great_ way to counter inferior controls an those tricky parts |
| 06:55.39 | fahhem | 2010q1? does that mean i have to remake the widk?? |
| 06:56.05 | dtzWill | i *think* you can get away with just buildig vba with the new toolchain and using the libs you've built already |
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| 06:56.41 | fahhem | how did you get 2010q1 anyway? the git repo for cross-compile only recently got 2009q3 |
| 06:57.02 | dtzWill | by i think i mean you can, because none of the libraries you build in the WIDK actually are used on the device anyway |
| 06:57.13 | dtzWill | and the toolchain doesn't change the haeders, or at least not usually/enough to matter |
| 06:57.25 | dtzWill | fahhem: downloaded it from code sourcery? |
| 06:57.37 | dtzWill | oh and didn't realize someone upgraded the widk to 2009q3, great |
| 06:57.52 | fahhem | rwhitby did it a few days ago |
| 06:58.26 | dtzWill | great, wonder if/how that'll effect the rest of things. |
| 06:58.30 | fahhem | yeah, i'm new to the widk and such, so i don't really know what 'code sourcery' is other than a magical land where code goes after i delete it |
| 06:58.50 | dtzWill | iirc that crosses a significant gcc version change, but shrug i'm sure it'll be sorted out... and guessing it's for the 2.0 stuff or something |
| 06:59.19 | dtzWill | fahhem: hahah. it's the people who maintain and published a fork-ish of gcc especially targetted for ARM |
| 06:59.24 | dtzWill | well they do other things but taht's what matters here :) |
| 06:59.38 | dtzWill | and it's their toolchain palm builds their stuff with, so we use it too :) |
| 06:59.49 | dtzWill | codesourcery.com, etc |
| 06:59.59 | dtzWill | don't have a link handy to the new gcc sorry |
| 07:00.18 | dtzWill | never spent the time to make it especially buildable by others other than documenting what i did in loose tems |
| 07:00.22 | fahhem | yeah, i see the link in the Makefile |
| 07:00.33 | dtzWill | ("use 2010q1" instead of scripting the build env setup) |
| 07:00.43 | dtzWill | fahhem: great! glad i was on the ball enough to add a link :D |
| 07:00.55 | fahhem | sorry, not your makefile |
| 07:01.04 | dtzWill | hahaha darn xD |
| 07:01.10 | fahhem | in the widk makefile, but for 2009q1 and 2007q3 |
| 07:02.24 | dtzWill | ah, k |
| 07:02.25 | fahhem | for future reference to anyone googling these logs: the 2010q1 toolchain from codesourcery is here http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package6493/public/arm-none-eabi/arm-2010q1-188-arm-none-eabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 |
| 07:04.14 | dtzWill | fahhem: err don't you want the gnueabi one? |
| 07:05.00 | fahhem | maybe O:-) |
| 07:05.09 | fahhem | for future reference: i may have misled googlers |
| 07:05.13 | dtzWill | http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package6488/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2010q1-202-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 |
| 07:05.51 | fahhem | aww, couldn't redeem myself |
| 07:06.51 | dtzWill | for the record, fahhem pm'd me that link first, i just posted here |
| 07:06.55 | dtzWill | >_> |
| 07:07.10 | fahhem | haha, thanks |
| 07:08.26 | fahhem | does the widk automatically use the latest toolchain available? |
| 07:08.35 | dtzWill | fahhem: absoluteuly not, and by desing. |
| 07:08.52 | fahhem | sorry, the latest toolchain downloaded |
| 07:08.54 | dtzWill | not sure 100% on reasoning to move to 2009q3, not having seen the discussion or looked at the relaetd changes |
| 07:08.56 | Jack87-Home | dtzWill: for the record he already posted it before you |
| 07:09.11 | dtzWill | but for exampled we usd 2007q3 for quite some time b/c that's what palm used in 1.4.5, etc |
| 07:09.21 | Jack87-Home | :) |
| 07:09.24 | dtzWill | idea being matching the toolchain would probably be a good idea to avoid misc issues |
| 07:09.37 | dtzWill | Jack87-Home: hehe |
| 07:09.43 | fahhem | because rwhitby's 'update' to 2009q1 commit only changed the Makefile, nothing else |
| 07:11.22 | dtzWill | fahhem: interesting. like i asid i haven't looked so can't comment |
| 07:11.47 | dtzWill | and could check online git logs, etc, but... meh. bad internet, etc, i'll be home soon enough :) |
| 07:13.11 | fahhem | there's only one update to the toolchain in the repo so i don't have anything else to check, what did you do to upgrade to 2010q1? |
| 07:14.06 | dtzWill | fahhem: uhhh just download it somewhere and extract it |
| 07:14.26 | dtzWill | then cd to the appropriate libc directory and put the new bin dir on your PATH |
| 07:14.30 | dtzWill | run sb2-init on the new toolchain |
| 07:14.40 | dtzWill | someone figured out how to get sb2 to have 'modes' or something for different toolchains |
| 07:14.44 | dtzWill | instead of having to switch |
| 07:14.52 | fahhem | oh right, sb2-init, i remember now |
| 07:14.53 | dtzWill | (iirc it was via special targets) |
| 07:15.08 | fahhem | i've been building widk for so long i actually forgot the steps i took to start it |
| 07:15.13 | dtzWill | sorry little bit of 'here be dragons' in terms of documented path |
| 07:15.17 | dtzWill | hahah s'all good |
| 07:15.34 | dtzWill | documented path, robustness/usability |
| 07:15.52 | fahhem | it's alright, i'll stick to manual sb2-init usage for now |
| 07:18.33 | fahhem | sweet, 65% of the way through |
| 07:18.44 | dtzWill | hooray |
| 07:18.58 | dtzWill | yeah those servers are slow, but hey free stuff so who's complaining :D |
| 07:19.48 | fahhem | what servers? |
| 07:19.59 | fahhem | oh, code sourcery? |
| 07:20.02 | dtzWill | oh the codesourcery servers i meant |
| 07:20.02 | dtzWill | yeah |
| 07:20.16 | fahhem | oh, i meant 65% through compiling the packages |
| 07:20.55 | dtzWill | oh, okay. |
| 07:20.56 | fahhem | 123 for armv6 and v7, 36 into v7 and all 123 built for v6, so 159/246=75% |
| 07:21.32 | dtzWill | fahhem: are yuo intentionally building armv6 as well? |
| 07:21.49 | dtzWill | fahhem: fwiw pixi work on VBA is WIP mostly limited by time |
| 07:29.46 | fahhem | i didn't disable it, and having a fully-functioning widk is a good side benefit of working on vba |
| 07:30.15 | fahhem | once i'm done with vba, i can try some native/hybrid coding |
| 07:31.11 | dtzWill | sounds good :) |
| 07:31.41 | SineOt | I should play more with NodeJS... |
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| 07:33.06 | fahhem | one thing that i never understood is if apps can communicate with palm services, can apps communicate with any other apps' service? |
| 07:33.06 | tmandry | dtzWill: you still around? |
| 07:33.29 | dtzWill | tmandry: in and out, what can i do ya for? :) |
| 07:33.42 | tmandry | I have no idea if you can help with this, but I figured there was a chance |
| 07:34.02 | SineOt | fahhem: I think so? But not sure |
| 07:34.17 | SineOt | I think it depends on how they set up the service, like if say they limit the apps that can call against it |
| 07:34.45 | tmandry | dtzWill: I'm trying to get a Qt application up and running on webOS |
| 07:35.14 | fahhem | SineOt: so a service can say "only com.something.example.*" can call it? |
| 07:35.19 | dtzWill | tmandry: yeppers. there's some example that are in the build.git iirc, not sure if we build or just the binaries, but should at least have the prereq libs for ya |
| 07:35.27 | tmandry | but it segfaults.. and I'm not sure what I'm looking at in this backtrace... http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/3XWLhKvQ |
| 07:35.33 | dtzWill | looks |
| 07:35.44 | tmandry | erm... |
| 07:35.55 | SineOt | I think so? I'd imagine you could write a check in your service to see what was calling it |
| 07:35.57 | tmandry | http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/jJj2jkGT |
| 07:36.16 | SineOt | for most services though I don't know if it would really matter, but with some I'd imagine it'd be important |
| 07:37.39 | tmandry | dtzWill: basically.. somehow the qwsEventSourcePrepare function is being called in one thread, while the QWSDisplay constructor is still going in another.. so the global that hols the QWSDisplay pointer is still NULL |
| 07:38.48 | tmandry | dtzWill: but I don't know where the main loop stuff is coming from.. I searched for any glib main loop stuff in the Qt src and don't see any, just event stuff (oddly)... and then I don't know where SDL is coming from either |
| 07:38.57 | dtzWill | tmandry: on 1.4.5? and while i haven't poked at it myself, you doing something like http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=qt/qt.git;a=blob_plain;f=binaries/armv6/qtrun;hb=HEAD etc? |
| 07:39.30 | tmandry | dtzWill: yep. using that display driver makes it segfault. otherwise (using linuxfb) it works |
| 07:39.49 | dtzWill | bah re: what looks like constructor races |
| 07:40.06 | tmandry | basically |
| 07:40.38 | dtzWill | and yes re: 1.4.5? |
| 07:40.40 | tmandry | the backtrace practically blew my mind though.. SDL came out of nowhere, and I know it isn't there because of the SDL display driver |
| 07:40.43 | tmandry | and yes 1.4.5 |
| 07:41.13 | dtzWill | err what, doesn't the qt webos stuff use sdl? |
| 07:41.17 | tmandry | I could try my real device, just got this dev device in used, maybe it needs a doctor.. |
| 07:41.34 | dtzWill | agreed dev device bein suspicious seems unlikely |
| 07:41.43 | tmandry | dtzWill: yes, but afaik it was only the display device |
| 07:41.53 | dtzWill | well almost certainly input as well, right? |
| 07:42.02 | dtzWill | hence the event loop stuff |
| 07:42.07 | tmandry | er, yeah, hmm |
| 07:43.02 | dtzWill | the odd thing is that the qt stuff we have binaries for, buggy or whatnot definietly _ran_ consistently, so seems strange for you to have this issue |
| 07:43.12 | tmandry | well I compiled everything myself |
| 07:43.21 | dtzWill | well right, but still :/ |
| 07:43.21 | tmandry | I like control :p |
| 07:43.41 | tmandry | okay well I'll try my real phone |
| 07:44.11 | dtzWill | gl, sorry i can't help. feel free to poke me/the channel if for no other reason than to think out loud :) |
| 07:44.19 | dtzWill | i know we'd all love to see the qt stuff revived :) |
| 07:44.45 | tmandry | what you just told me was tons of help compared to what I've had to deal with so far ;p |
| 07:46.48 | dtzWill | well i'd try exploring WHY you're having what looks like a race, but it seems odd for your build env to introduce them when not in the original |
| 07:47.04 | dtzWill | err |
| 07:47.18 | dtzWill | that thought finishes with "but it seemed to work before so o_O" |
| 07:47.29 | dtzWill | anyway apparently i was somehow helpful, hooary. gl sir :) |
| 07:47.56 | tmandry | thanks :) |
| 07:49.18 | tmandry | were you involved with working on the port at all? |
| 07:49.34 | tmandry | of Qt itself that is |
| 07:50.11 | dtzWill | nopers. interestingly a while back i tried to get it working but gave up for misc reasons, and then the guy who did it came along and was like wham-o qt goodness |
| 07:50.19 | dtzWill | never looked at what he did, unfortunately :/ |
| 07:51.10 | tmandry | heheh |
| 07:51.30 | tmandry | he also did it for kindle, so :p |
| 07:51.57 | dtzWill | yeah he definitely seemed to know what he was doing |
| 07:52.00 | tmandry | but dealing with qt's own build system and cross-compiling and everything is a chore to say the least |
| 07:52.24 | dtzWill | yeah, i think i spent most my time on that, adn fixing misc things that broke build-wise |
| 07:52.37 | dtzWill | and then just said fuck it when the result didn't work and moved on :) |
| 07:52.40 | tmandry | I can understand giving up, in fact I probably would've by now if I didn't have an application that I wanted to move to using Qt :) |
| 07:53.06 | tmandry | hah, the worst part of it is the documentation imo |
| 07:53.16 | dtzWill | well also the fact that you've seen it work and it has patches for webos or something (i assume it does) probably helps too |
| 07:53.19 | dtzWill | but i hae you haha |
| 07:53.38 | tmandry | Qt's API has great docs, but for the embedded/cross compiling stuff you have to look |
| 07:53.39 | dtzWill | documentation is a curious thing. |
| 07:54.04 | dtzWill | hmm well i was gonna say given the nature of the beast it might just be complicated |
| 07:54.17 | dtzWill | but if you say their other work has docs that make it less intense then hooray for that :) |
| 07:54.24 | tmandry | ie ./configure --help DOESN'T tell you everything - only gives you the subset of options that are specific for your platform, not telling you about the flags you might want to switch platforms (-embedded, for instance) |
| 07:54.32 | dtzWill | heh, yeah. |
| 07:54.44 | dtzWill | deeefinitely just bounced through that file |
| 07:54.52 | tmandry | that got me for a good long while :p |
| 08:10.10 | SineOt | Has anyone built something for NodeJS using an NPM module? |
| 08:14.21 | tmandry | dtzWill: same thing on a different phone. I'm gonna have to tackle this when I get back from skiing in a week |
| 08:14.43 | dtzWill | tmandry: okay, thanks for reporting back! |
| 08:14.56 | dtzWill | tmandry: have a great time! |
| 08:15.43 | tmandry | thanks, will do :) |
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| 08:27.35 | fahhem | SineOt: At the least you could just include the code as a subdir in your nodejs program |
| 08:27.50 | SineOt | Hm. Yeah. |
| 08:28.15 | SineOt | I want to try my hand at writing a site scraper app... Using a NodeJS service + Apricot to scrape what I need. |
| 08:28.39 | SineOt | https://github.com/silentrob/Apricot < Really probably one of the best things that NodeJS coming is going to bring with it |
| 08:29.04 | fahhem | why do you need apricot when you could just run the stuff on a server |
| 08:29.48 | SineOt | Because letting the end user's device do all the work for me means I don't have to pay/keep up a server. |
| 08:29.57 | SineOt | Or rather, making the end user's device. |
| 08:30.06 | fahhem | i guess you could try to pull as much of the app into the phone, but a lot of WebOS is about putting only a little on the phone and using the cloud to do most of the work |
| 08:31.38 | fahhem | i bought webosservices.com, i can throw some server space and a subdomain your way if you want |
| 08:31.58 | SineOt | Well, regardless of if the phone does it in an app or it does it in the browser, the phone loads it anyways |
| 08:32.27 | fahhem | for free at least while you dev |
| 08:32.59 | fahhem | yeah, but if you have a server doing it, you can put the necessary data into json and save the phone a lot of processing |
| 08:34.24 | SineOt | either way, it'd be a good thing to learn regardless of where it ends up getting run |
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| 09:30.23 | fahhem | rwhitby-pre: ping |
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| 10:21.57 | hape | tmandry: The qt port was done by dr with help of rwhitby. |
| 10:22.28 | hape | tmandry: I expect you read http://www.griffin.net/2010/02/qt-on-the-palm-pre.html and checked the git link he posted. |
| 10:22.49 | hape | tmandry: That is all I know about it, hope that it helps |
| 10:23.53 | hape | The plugin code is now released on the LGPL 2.1 license, to match Qt. It can be found on qt.gitorious.org (git clone git://gitorious.org/~darronb/qt/qt-palm-pre.git). |
| 10:24.21 | hape | tmandry: http://www.precentral.net/qt-app-platform-and-running-palm-pre |
| 10:55.02 | mpingu | Hey is it possible to patch the wifi drivers of the palm pre with mad wifi stuff or so for packet injection and other wireless fun ? |
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| 11:48.06 | blino | destinal-sleep: actually, to bypass activation, I just put the phone in dev mode from the emergency phone app, like explained here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 |
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| 11:59.55 | Webbi | spricht hier einer deutschß |
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| 12:16.17 | Webbi | who used komodo whit web-os extensions? |
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| 17:55.13 | akili | any ideas? |
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| 18:14.28 | destinal | blino: oh right I forgot about that, the 2.0 bypass is a lot easier |
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| 18:30.05 | Loudergood | not a clue.. |
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| 19:42.30 | JD82 | is there a app that will adjust settings on my phone say when I leave and come back to my house? |
| 19:43.13 | bpadalino | location based settings ? not that i know of, but feel free to make one up |
| 19:43.33 | Loudergood | I'm not sure if mode switcher is that detailed, but you might find it useful |
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| 19:44.39 | JD82 | loudergood: that's the app thanks what draws more battery life wifi always on or gps? |
| 19:44.58 | tmandry | hape: thanks. |
| 19:45.10 | Loudergood | probably gps, the wifi is designed to be on all the time I think |
| 19:45.39 | Loudergood | if the comment in the sleep settings is to be believed |
| 19:48.03 | JD82 | ok. because I use my phone as a mp3 player while at work I don't want it to go dead lol. and I don't get service in my house that's why I needed that app so it will go into roam only mode when home. |
| 19:49.08 | Loudergood | touchstones everywhere ;) |
| 19:49.19 | bpadalino | the media playback capabilities of the phone are killer on the battery .. really very poor, in my opinion |
| 19:49.27 | Loudergood | I agree |
| 19:51.07 | Loudergood | though I don't think I've seen a phone that does well with that yet |
| 19:51.22 | Loudergood | of course my brother's iphones are probably not a good example |
| 19:51.29 | JD82 | yea I know. every 2 hours it pulls 25% of the battery |
| 19:55.00 | Loudergood | my phone lasts a lot longer at 500/800 for some reason |
| 19:55.29 | Loudergood | granted at work and home I have at least 4 bars |
| 19:57.16 | JD82 | I'm running the sr71 kernel I have it set for ondemand 1200/500 |
| 19:58.42 | Loudergood | really? I had problems running at 1Ghz so I cut back to 800 because I didn't really notice the difference |
| 19:58.54 | Loudergood | mostly just with lengthy camera use |
| 19:59.17 | JD82 | I have ran the sr71 kernal since it got released never had a problem with it. |
| 19:59.48 | JD82 | I was reading that some pre's can't handle the 1200 |
| 19:59.52 | Loudergood | of course I was recording video for about half an hour before I had the problem |
| 20:00.03 | Loudergood | and the problem was the camera locked up, nothing else |
| 20:00.17 | Loudergood | phone got really warm too |
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| 20:12.05 | rwhitby-pre | morning |
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