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| 15:28.22 | jlp_znc | http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=10 |
| 15:29.17 | aeryndunham | what kind of car do i want to buy |
| 15:30.31 | RyanE | That depends on if you're a "car person" or not. |
| 15:30.49 | RyanE | And how many people / how much crap you need to haul around. |
| 15:31.44 | RyanE | I'm not a car person, and occasionally haul some kids around with me, so I have a boring Kia Optima. |
| 15:32.05 | aeryndunham | Not really a car person but I don't want to contribute to the sea of gray sedans, minimal people and crap to haul around |
| 15:32.08 | jlp_znc | and how "hip" you are |
| 15:32.10 | aeryndunham | the tldr is: |
| 15:32.20 | RyanE | heh. My car is a grey sedan. |
| 15:32.34 | RyanE | Nice thing is, I *really* have to be speeding in order to get pulled over. |
| 15:32.55 | RyanE | My wife's red Mazda 3... not so much. :) |
| 15:32.58 | aeryndunham | Right now we have a rental. This is expensive. Chris cannot decide what he wants to buy, but whatever it is, it'll be pricey. He's a huge car snob. I don't actually have a license, just a permit, and whatever the hell he buys I will be terrified to drive |
| 15:33.08 | aeryndunham | So I want to buy a car |
| 15:33.19 | RyanE | do you commute? If so, how far? |
| 15:33.27 | aeryndunham | Super super close, 5-10 mins depending on traffic |
| 15:33.49 | jlp_znc | for example, my son and his wife are pretty hip... they have a subaru BRZ. |
| 15:34.13 | RyanE | That's a nice looking car. |
| 15:34.23 | jlp_znc | I, on the other hand, am pretty un-hip. in fact, I'm so un-hip, it's a wonder my butt doesn't fall off. I drive a '96 jeep grand cherokee. |
| 15:34.27 | RyanE | manual? |
| 15:34.30 | aeryndunham | I realllllly want to start driving and take the test ASAP but I feel like getting a "normal person" car would be the plan. But I also want to spend minimal money (like, less than $10k) but I don't wan 100k+ miles |
| 15:34.35 | jlp_znc | yeah, the subaru is a manual |
| 15:34.38 | aeryndunham | I'd like to learn manual but proably shouldn't first car? |
| 15:34.39 | RyanE | schweet |
| 15:34.47 | aeryndunham | I LOVE Subaru BRZs though, super cool cars |
| 15:34.54 | RyanE | I taught my kids manual first. |
| 15:35.08 | RyanE | Two of the 4 with licenses drive stick cars daily. |
| 15:35.20 | RyanE | but yeah, maybe if you're just getting a license, and you didn't learn on it... |
| 15:35.33 | jlp_znc | they had a subaru WRX before (the only non-awd subaru), but got the BRZ when the lease on the WRX expired. |
| 15:35.56 | RyanE | I'm personally a 'buy used, run it into the ground' sort of person. |
| 15:36.12 | jlp_znc | yeah, I don't own a vehicle with less than 200k miles on it. |
| 15:36.12 | RyanE | I don't get lease new, renew lease every few years. |
| 15:36.24 | aeryndunham | Oh hah it'll definitely be used |
| 15:36.28 | RyanE | I've got a couple at 150, one at 250... |
| 15:36.29 | jlp_znc | well, they don't have any kids. :D |
| 15:36.49 | RyanE | I'd recommend going to something like CarMax, and just drive some cars in the size you are looking for. |
| 15:37.16 | RyanE | They don't pressure you, you can just tell them you don't know what you want yet, and need to see some different cars. |
| 15:37.20 | jlp_znc | VW has been running some pretty aggresive deals around here... I don't know about Florida, though. |
| 15:37.32 | RyanE | It's better if you go when they're not busy if you're just "window shopping". |
| 15:38.03 | RyanE | Of course, you'd need a license for that. :) |
| 15:38.12 | aeryndunham | I like small cars, definitely |
| 15:38.15 | aeryndunham | Eh, I'd take Chris with me |
| 15:38.30 | RyanE | You should drive it, not him, if you're picking for your car. |
| 15:38.38 | aeryndunham | I dont think he'll ever pick the car he wants :p |
| 15:38.44 | aeryndunham | I don't think they'd let me test drive with a permit |
| 15:38.52 | RyanE | maybe so. |
| 15:38.54 | jlp_znc | does he even know what he wants? |
| 15:39.58 | aeryndunham | he wants the body of a sportscar with the interior of a luxury sedan with the tech package of a Tesla, so.... a car that doesn't exist, basically |
| 15:40.08 | jlp_znc | if not, that's even more reason to go drive a bunch of cars. |
| 15:40.37 | aeryndunham | He's looked at a ton but he is a weirdo who thinks test drives are pointless |
| 15:41.02 | aeryndunham | He's trying to help me but we have very different gauges of what constitutes "spending a lot of money: |
| 15:42.10 | jlp_znc | my last vehicle purchase was our '05 Yukon... $5k (plus almost $1k for new tires... still a great deal) |
| 15:42.36 | jlp_znc | I hate the thought of having a car payment again. have not had one in ... 15 years? |
| 15:44.26 | aeryndunham | I like Chevrolet Sparks a lot |
| 15:44.36 | aeryndunham | I also love Fiats but I know those have build quality issues |
| 15:45.03 | RyanE | Last car I bought was a junker S10 for $1500. Bought it because it was a cheap manual, to teach the remaining kids. :) |
| 15:45.14 | RyanE | Those tiny Fiat 500s are pretty cute. |
| 15:45.20 | jlp_znc | spark looks fun |
| 15:46.01 | jlp_znc | but I think I'd look at the trax or equinox if I were buying new (chevrolet) |
| 15:46.03 | aeryndunham | yeah I'm looking at a 2013 Fiat 500C convertible and it's sO CUTE but I imagine it'd fall apart on me |
| 15:46.35 | RyanE | We drove a Chevy Versa, it wasn't bad, but not as good as the Mazda3. |
| 15:46.36 | jlp_znc | I like the crossover body style... you would be amazed at how much you can cram in the back of an equinox. my wife and I rented one for our montana trip a few years ago. |
| 15:47.05 | RyanE | lots of good options. |
| 15:47.19 | aeryndunham | we have a Versa as our rental right now, it's a NIssan... the brakes on it are so bad it feels like Fred Flinstone is trying to stop the car with his feet haha |
| 15:47.25 | RyanE | and *all* of them are better built than most anything from 20-25 years ago... :) |
| 15:47.29 | jlp_znc | for your short commute, have you looked at any electrics? a former co-worker of mine has an electric Smart... it was pretty cheap and he plugs it in once a week at the office. |
| 15:47.30 | aeryndunham | Yeah |
| 15:47.58 | aeryndunham | Smarts are tiny but since Chris is probably buying a 2-seater I kinda need something with usable back seats |
| 15:48.19 | aeryndunham | which the Spark does has; it's even a 4-door car (I honestly couldn't tell there were backseat doors) |
| 15:48.20 | RyanE | a full-electric would be nice. I've avoided them, because of their price, but I've heard used Nissan Leaf cars are getting inexpensive. |
| 15:49.12 | jlp_znc | my old boss at linkedin had a leaf. then he bought a new house that was a bit further out from the office and found that he couldn't quite make it to work and home on a single charge any more. |
| 15:49.34 | jlp_znc | he had to charge both at home and at the office every day. and contention for chargers at work was a little crazy. |
| 15:49.38 | RyanE | I've got a friend with one, he goes to downtown on it, but I assume he plugs it in there as well. |
| 15:49.44 | RyanE | from highland |
| 15:50.33 | jlp_znc | electrics are great if you have a short commute, but they wouldn't work for me (we go on too many long drives for leisure) |
| 15:50.54 | aeryndunham | https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/745192835/overview/ is a car I am looking at but I think it's a tad too expensive :( |
| 15:51.07 | jlp_znc | my other son has a honda hybrid that he likes... las vegas to slc for $17 in gas. |
| 15:51.16 | aeryndunham | haha dang |
| 15:51.34 | RyanE | nice |
| 15:51.43 | jsmith | aeryndunham: A buddy of mine has two Chevy Sparks... he says they're fantastic. |
| 15:51.50 | jlp_znc | that spark looks really nice! |
| 15:51.51 | aeryndunham | They look pretty awesome for their price |
| 15:52.05 | RyanE | I have a suburban that is only $85/tank... :) |
| 15:52.07 | jsmith | aeryndunham: And even though it's an ugly vehicle, I still drive a Prius C... |
| 15:52.23 | aeryndunham | Like I can afford that car, I think? With some down and some financing, but I feel like insurance for me will be realllllly high |
| 15:52.45 | RyanE | but even though you're new driver, you're not a new *teen* driver, so maybe it won't be so bad. |
| 15:52.55 | aeryndunham | I HAVE been told I can put insurance on a car if Chris is on the policy too, though? Before I have a license? which I guess makes sense because people with permits do drive |
| 15:52.59 | RyanE | once the car is paid off, insurance gets cheaper, when you don't have to have comprehensive. |
| 15:53.25 | jlp_znc | RyanE :D yeah, those babys are a little thirsty. my yukon takes about $60 to fill and only gets around 330 miles on a tank. |
| 15:53.43 | RyanE | I think the Suburban is around 400 miles +/- 50 |
| 15:53.55 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: you're in your 20s, still? over 25? |
| 15:53.58 | aeryndunham | I'll probably be able to pay off a car faster than whatever I finance it for anyway, whenever I get a little extra chunk of cash I'd throw it at at |
| 15:54.01 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: 32 |
| 15:54.11 | jlp_znc | you should be okay on insurance |
| 15:54.14 | RyanE | yeah |
| 15:54.16 | aeryndunham | my age and lack of license is a full embarrassment haha |
| 15:54.21 | aeryndunham | I blame 6 years of ships |
| 15:54.26 | jlp_znc | huh, you're the same age as my son who has the BRZ |
| 15:54.37 | RyanE | On IRC, you don't look a day over 23. :) |
| 15:55.33 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 15:55.48 | jlp_znc | are you and Chris both going to be on the insurance policy? if so, and you only have one car, list him as the primary driver. |
| 15:56.00 | aeryndunham | At the moment we'd only have the one car |
| 15:56.06 | aeryndunham | So that's probably what we'd do |
| 15:56.10 | RyanE | My youngest is about to take the test and start his student driving. *That* makes me feel a bit oldish. |
| 15:56.33 | jlp_znc | RyanE hah, my youngest is no longer a teenager. that's when you really feel it. |
| 15:56.33 | aeryndunham | But then he's about to buy himself a $60k car, probably |
| 15:56.38 | RyanE | heh |
| 15:56.41 | RyanE | holy cow. |
| 15:56.50 | jlp_znc | wow. that's a lot of car |
| 15:56.52 | RyanE | 60k? wow. |
| 15:56.59 | aeryndunham | which is why whatever he buys, I will be terrified to drive |
| 15:57.05 | RyanE | Pretty sure *all* my cars (5) aren't worth that... |
| 15:57.15 | aeryndunham | he has made a lifetime of excellent financial decisions and it makes me angry haha |
| 15:57.20 | RyanE | heh |
| 15:57.31 | aeryndunham | He also makes over double what I make at work, which.... helps |
| 15:57.34 | RyanE | Is he paying cash for it? If so, *respect*. :) |
| 15:57.57 | aeryndunham | He can pay cash, but he's probably going to finance half just because he's Canadian so his American credit score is a little abysmal |
| 15:58.05 | jsmith | buys cheap cars and drives them into the ground |
| 15:58.09 | RyanE | cool, eh? |
| 15:58.12 | aeryndunham | And on-time car payments would help him there I think |
| 15:58.29 | jlp_znc | for sure. a car loan really boosts your credit. |
| 15:58.41 | aeryndunham | He test drove a Jaguar F-Type last week *rolls eyes* |
| 15:59.25 | jlp_znc | way too much car for me. |
| 15:59.49 | aeryndunham | Same |
| 16:00.26 | RyanE | me too |
| 16:00.49 | aeryndunham | His family is big into cars |
| 16:01.07 | jlp_znc | I guess if that's what you love, and you can afford it, why not? |
| 16:01.12 | aeryndunham | He has an extraordinarily lucky brother who bought a 1988 Porche 930 for $18k and it's now worth nearly $200k |
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| 16:01.24 | RyanE | niiice |
| 16:01.45 | jlp_znc | I'd probably throw that money at a down payment on a house, personally, but I'm old. :D |
| 16:01.52 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 16:02.04 | aeryndunham | we are probably only in FL another year, so we just signed a lease |
| 16:02.09 | aeryndunham | not looking to buy here |
| 16:02.18 | RyanE | makes sense |
| 16:02.58 | aeryndunham | I'm excited to move |
| 16:03.08 | aeryndunham | and not live in an apartment |
| 16:06.33 | jlp_znc | houses are nice. I don't think I could live in an apartment again. we're way too noisy. |
| 16:07.17 | aeryndunham | Just a townhouse, but on a nice quiet golf course so there's lots of trees and ducks and stuff |
| 16:12.43 | aeryndunham | RIP there was a demonstration of door functionality this morning but I thought they were done so I was restarting the panels (made a config change) AAAAAAND they were all standing in the hallway |
| 16:21.12 | aeryndunham | I guess I have no gauge of average insurance costs, hah, my friend who sells insurance just ran a rough estimate for me and it came to like $170/month, is that high? haha |
| 16:27.12 | jlp_znc | we pay about 270/month for three vehicles, four drivers, two under 25, liability only. I think we are paying too much and am looking for another company. |
| 16:28.26 | jlp_znc | looking pretty hard at Root. they have you install an app on your phone and drive around for a few weeks before they give you a quote. I'm looking for mor information on them, but they are about $100/mo cheaper for us. |
| 16:28.51 | jlp_znc | I'm a little nervous about going with a new company that doesn't have a track record. |
| 16:32.56 | RyanE | We pay a little over $350/month, which also includes our homeowner's insurance. That's for 6 (old) cars and 5 drivers (3 young, me and my wife). |
| 16:33.37 | RyanE | All high-deductible, liability-only. |
| 16:34.00 | RyanE | Cars are old enough that if one gets totalled, I'll just pay cash for a replacement. |
| 16:34.28 | RyanE | My daughter got rear-ended in the Chevy S10, we got $1000 insurance payment, not fixing it. :) |
| 16:34.54 | jlp_znc | yeah, that's my take on collision/comprehensive coverage, too |
| 16:35.20 | RyanE | That's from earlier this year, we now have another car on the insurance, so it's probably a little more now. |
| 16:42.24 | aeryndunham | i do have a friend I trust a lot who is an insurance broker so I'd probably ask him to help me find the best rate |
| 16:42.41 | RyanE | That's how we got our rate, through an insurance broker. |
| 16:43.05 | aeryndunham | dangit I want the Spark haha |
| 16:43.18 | frostyfrog | Hi hi :) |
| 16:43.30 | frostyfrog | Long time no see! :D |
| 16:43.39 | RyanE | Long time no Sea! |
| 16:44.25 | frostyfrog | Do you see the C in the sea? No? I don't see the C either. |
| 16:44.58 | frostyfrog | The last bit can be interchanged with sea instead :p |
| 16:53.43 | RyanE | She sells C shells by the sea shore. |
| 16:53.58 | RyanE | She says business is not good there. |
| 16:57.29 | spangborn | 𤯠|
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| 18:00.34 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDOBN0r3ydA |
| 18:07.37 | aeryndunham | Huh, the Chevy dealership the Spark I kinda want is at has 3400 glowing reviews on Google. Either they're really great or they have an army of fake reviewers :p |
| 18:16.43 | jsmith | aeryndunham: That's a plus :-) |
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| 18:38.30 | frostyfrog | What, the fake reviewers or that they're really great? |
| 18:38.32 | frostyfrog | ;p |
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| 18:52.06 | jlp_znc | https://youtu.be/v6zgmhsCLnc |
| 19:04.58 | RyanE | well, if they're competent enough to hire that many fake reviewers, they must be doing *something* right. :) |
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| 20:24.58 | youtah | got to see fozzmoo today |
| 20:25.00 | youtah | oops |
| 20:25.06 | youtah | not fozzmoo |
| 20:25.19 | youtah | goozbach* |
| 20:34.20 | youtah | waits for automation to finish |
| 20:34.35 | youtah | watching |
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| 20:34.40 | youtah | my machine be hijacked |
| 20:34.50 | youtah | testing |
| 20:34.53 | youtah | new code |
| 20:35.02 | youtah | keeps stealing focus |
| 20:37.59 | spangborn | mhmm |
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| 20:38.12 | goozbach | youtah: no! |
| 20:38.12 | spangborn | In reality your machine caught your ADHD |
| 20:38.19 | jlp_znc | goozbach! |
| 20:38.24 | goozbach | nope! |
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| 20:45.03 | youtah | lol |
| 20:45.06 | youtah | goozbach!!!! |
| 20:45.16 | goozbach | no! |
| 20:45.20 | youtah | ~no |
| 20:45.28 | jlp_znc | ~systemd goozbach |
| 20:45.29 | infobot | ACTION renames goozbach's network interfaces |
| 20:45.31 | youtah | ~no goozbach |
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| 20:46.44 | goozbach | I really do need to get my ZNC server setup again |
| 20:47.02 | goozbach | how is everybody!? |
| 20:48.43 | youtah | I'm good, but I work next to you |
| 20:48.49 | youtah | so I get to see you more oten |
| 20:49.10 | youtah | Thank heavens! My automation is over. I can maintain focus in one window for more than 3 seconds again |
| 20:50.31 | youtah | I haven't see fozzmoo Jayce^ or Neybar in here for like umpteen years |
| 20:50.39 | youtah | and Jayce^ is a mod |
| 20:51.08 | youtah | so many times, eightyeight is the only mod in here |
| 20:51.36 | spangborn | op* |
| 20:58.34 | eightyeight | Jayce^ was a mod |
| 20:59.00 | eightyeight | current op list is myself, goozbach, and TimRiker |
| 20:59.22 | goozbach | I'm still an op! |
| 20:59.26 | goozbach | noice! |
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| 20:59.43 | goozbach | noice! |
| 20:59.52 | *** mode/#utah [-o goozbach] by goozbach |
| 20:59.53 | jlp_znc | we probably ought to have a few more ops |
| 21:02.07 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: are you volunteering? |
| 21:08.12 | jlp_znc | I'm usually around, but I wouldn't want to be presumptious. There are a few of us who are here on a pretty regular basis. |
| 21:08.56 | jlp_znc | I mean, I don't know how far I'd trust spangborn or youtah, but... |
| 21:09.00 | jlp_znc | :D |
| 21:09.24 | spangborn | I definitely wouldn't trust spangborn |
| 21:09.30 | spangborn | He's the worst |
| 21:10.04 | eightyeight | no kidding. look at all the work it took to pull how out of negative karma! |
| 21:10.33 | jlp_znc | whoops, I've got to take off... have an appointment this afternoon. catch all y'all later. |
| 21:11.29 | spangborn | Also who trusts a guy with a snake emoji in his realname? |
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| 21:21.50 | goozbach | weired |
| 21:50.33 | goozbach | odd even |
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| 23:49.53 | youtah | throws rabbitmq out the window |
| 23:49.54 | youtah | grrr |
| 23:55.04 | *** join/#utah anonymip16 (~anonymip@177.125.241.152) |