IRC log for #utah on 20170829

00:05.21romanovicdoes anyone know what age children can ride UTA for free? I see a youth pass, which covers ages 6-17.  I assume this means 0-5 ride free, but this is not confirmed or documented anywhere that I can find
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00:55.07klys~listkeys dos
00:56.22klys~listkeys djgpp
00:56.36klys~djgpp
00:56.36infobot32-bit GNU tools for MS-DOS. URL: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/
00:57.48klys~listkeys freedos
00:57.58klys~freedos
00:57.58infoboti guess freedos is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, at http://www.freedos.org/, or now FreeDOS can run loadlin
01:00.38klys~listkeys vcpi
01:09.00klys~listkeys jemm
01:09.43klys~jemm is Efficient Expanded Memory Manager, providing EMS and VCPI to DOS: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/emm386/jemm386/
01:09.43infobotklys: okay
01:10.22klys~listkeys emx
01:13.42klys~emx is E.Mattes' Extender, a 32-bit GCC compiler and DOS extender employing VCPI in its entry to pmode: http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/h-browse.php?dir=/pub/os2/dev/emx/v0.9d
01:13.42infobotokay, klys
01:14.19klys~emx is also GCC for OS/2.
01:14.19infobotklys: okay
01:17.23klys~vcpi is Virtual Control Program Interface, a DOS API providing access to 32-bit pmode to multiple supervising programs: (bottom of page) http://www.ctyme.com/intr/cat-009.htm
01:17.23infobotklys: okay
01:18.22klys~pmode
01:18.41klys~listkeys pmode
01:19.42klys~pmode is Intel/AMD 386+ protected mode, a CPU mode enabling segmentation, paging, and use of 32-bit opcodes without prefixes.
01:19.42infobotklys: okay
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01:25.23klys~watcom
01:25.37klys~openwatcom
01:25.53klysafraid I'm not the expert
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14:46.15manithreespangborn_: you (and the commenter) were correct, officially 9 bikes
14:46.24manithreeI counted 16 this morning
14:50.34spangbornLol so the new rack would be almost perfect in that case.
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15:09.44manithreeLess bikes flapping in the breeze, anyway
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17:06.32klys~slashdot
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19:10.21youtah~cheese
19:10.21infoboti heard cheese is pure awesomesause.  I love cheese.
19:10.37youtahwho spells awesomesause with an S?!?!?!?
19:10.43youtahWHERE IS THE HUMANITY !!?!?!???!
19:11.04youtahawecomecause << much better
19:11.18spangborn_wat
19:11.19frostyfrogawesomesauce
19:11.28spangborn_awhsumsauz
19:11.31youtahlol
19:11.57frostyfroghttps://www.fing.io/fingbox/#
19:12.25frostyfrogI just got a tracking number for one of those >_> I wonder how well it'll handle my "enterprisey" network.
19:13.13youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/iFjT0Ep.jpg
19:13.43frostyfrogrolls their eyes >_>
19:14.24youtahinteresting frostyfrog ... looks like domotz is going head to head with fing
19:16.22youtahfrostyfrog do you have to use their box?
19:16.39youtahor can you throw this in a container or a rpi?
19:17.21youtahlooks like it's only an IP scanner they let you download
19:17.30youtahthanks, but I'll stick with AngryIP Scanner
19:17.34youtahSO ANGRY
19:17.54frostyfrogI'll have to poke at it a little once I get it.
19:18.25frostyfrog"bandwidth hog identification" was my reason for getting it.
19:19.27frostyfrogI mean, seriously. How many homes use ~2 Tbs in a month?
19:19.40spangborn_youtah: what do you mean by head to head
19:20.03spangborn_Oh, just to monitor devices on your network
19:25.15frostyfrogI think he means company goals and competition wise.
19:25.56spangborn_I need a discount on some routers
19:26.02spangborn_like maybe a free Luxul router
19:26.07spangborn_so I can get VLAN setup
19:26.14spangborn_instead of struggling with this crap DD-WRT box
19:27.17romanovicwhat's wrong with DD-WRT boxes?
19:27.36romanovichasn't upgraded his dd-wrt router in like 6 years, except for firmware
19:28.19frostyfrog>_>
19:28.41frostyfrogip link add link eth2 name eth2.10 type vlan id 10
19:28.43frostyfrogip addr add 10.194.147.114/255.255.255.240 dev eth2.10
19:28.48frostyfrogip link set dev eth2.10 up
19:29.30youtahlol romanovic is your router true gigabit WAN to LAN?
19:32.21frostyfrogneeds to save their router's running config to it's startup config file. AKA /etc/netctl.d/
19:32.26youtahis assuming you're using the WRT-54G
19:32.31romanovic"do you even gigabit, bro"
19:32.51youtahif your bits aren't flowing... you need more fiber
19:33.12youtahnothing worse than backed up packets
19:33.34youtahmakes a joke about dropping packets
19:33.50spangborn_I dropped a packet on youtah's doorstep
19:33.55romanovicyoutah: I assume so? all LAN + WAN ports are gigabit, but I suppose I've never verified what the true throughput is. it's a buffalo router and has served well
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20:07.21youtahyeah romanovic
20:07.31youtahso many routers will advertise that they are Gigabit routers
20:07.41youtahbut in the fine print, it will say LAN to LAN
20:07.57youtahbut are limited to like, say, 450Mbps from the WAN to LAN
20:08.22spangborn_I'm pretty sure my bottleneck is my shitty ADSL modem at this point ;p
20:08.46youtahpats his fiber optics line in the head
20:35.20youtah558 days until the next Game of Thrones episode
20:36.15spangborn_It'll be cancelled before then
20:37.35youtahspangborn_, found your new camera
20:37.36youtahhttps://www.amazon.com/Aberg-Best-Pixels-Rechargeable-Digital/dp/B06ZZ6LKPF/
20:38.02spangborn_21 megapickles
20:38.16youtah21 mega pixels resolution for good capture
20:38.48youtahLithium Ion (Li-Ion) rechargeable battery can support camera works more than 60 minutes
20:39.55youtahI've always wanted a camera that can do "and so on"
20:40.46jlp_zncthat's one of my favorite features
20:41.53youtah"Would not recommend this camera even for a young kid."
20:57.26youtahfrostyfrog, I am curious as to how it scans and blocks devices from connecting to your network
20:57.35youtahit would have to integrate with the router
20:58.22frostyfrogFrom what I could gather when I asked the question a while back, ARP poisoning
20:58.22frostyfrogIIRC
20:58.43youtahDDoS attack the device, lol
21:00.23youtahonly down side is that you need to buy 10,000 rPi's
21:01.05unumI need to upgrade my debian server
21:01.20unumthat's going to be quite the chore
21:01.43spangborn_yes
21:01.44youtahanyone have an LCD monitor they're looking to get rid of for cheap?
21:01.45spangborn_sudo apt-get upgrade
21:01.47spangborn_such a chore
21:01.54spangborn_I'm sure KSL does, youtah
21:02.01youtahworking on a new mine craft server
21:02.10spangborn_Why does a server need a monitor
21:02.16spangborn_y u no run headless
21:02.18youtahspangborn_, I already contacted a guy, I kept asking what ports did it have on it
21:02.29youtahhe kept saying "I have no cables"
21:02.34spangborn_lol
21:02.40spangborn_parallel
21:02.42youtahI had to explain that I have cables, and I just need to know what KIND of cables to test with
21:02.47unumspangborn_: ya that part's so easy I've done on accident three times.....
21:02.52youtahto make sure it works
21:03.00youtahI am wondering if the monitors are hot
21:03.00spangborn_Just bring HDMI, VGA, DVI
21:03.06spangborn_and displayport
21:03.32spangborn_My dogs are now paranoid because of my new home security camera
21:03.35frostyfrogyoutah: 1000 rpis or a knowledge of how to setup a few DNS servers on a gigabit network
21:03.37spangborn_I can talk to them, and they do not like it
21:03.51spangborn_One went and hid in the basement for a few hours
21:04.53frostyfrogAlso, I've run plenty of minecraft servers in headless operation.
21:05.38youtahyeah, but initial installation of the OS?
21:05.52youtahI'm starting from barebones here
21:05.59youtahand too lazy to unplug my other monitors
21:06.09frostyfrogdepends on the OS
21:06.20youtahit will probably just be Ubuntu
21:06.37frostyfrogAh
21:07.17frostyfrogArch at least allows for headless installation. So long as you know the keystrokes to enable it in the bootloader and to get to the bootloader
21:14.20frostyfrog...
21:14.41frostyfrognvm, that was old knowledge
21:14.41frostyfroghttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_from_SSH
21:33.26spangbornWhy can't a Minecraft server be a VM? ;p
21:43.55youtahspangborn, it could... but this is going to be running on it's own metal
21:44.04youtahon a dedicated machine in my basement
21:44.06youtahwhirling
21:44.12youtahwhirling away
21:44.15spangbornSounds like a waste of solar electricity
21:44.20youtahlike trumps hair in a hurricane
21:45.05youtahhttp://images.gawker.com/twtjebkms5hvjr0wiinh/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800.jpg
21:45.22spangbornSilly you. Trump doesn't go near hurricanes. He has people for that
21:45.33youtahThe best people
21:45.37youtahthe biggest
21:46.03youtahhttps://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/901885696075542531
22:25.18Migsglobal warming yo
22:49.41SunSparcclicks on the troll bait that youtah placed on the channel floor...
22:49.55SunSparcYup, swarming with trolls.
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22:54.42aeryndunhamew my webdev course is making me use bootstrap (I mean its just one lesson but still)
22:55.36SunSparcI used bootstrap on a couple of projecst. It was alright, but that was a while ago.
22:55.45Migswhy is that ew?
22:56.03aeryndunhamI just don't care for it. Personal prefernce thing. I've got nothing against frameworks.
22:56.08Migswhat about foundation?
22:56.17aeryndunhamnever used that one
22:56.27Migswhat would you use in lieu of bootstrap?
22:57.00aeryndunhamNothing, typically
22:57.09aeryndunhamI use Sass, but that's different
22:57.28aeryndunhamI've used Bourbon a little too
22:58.16aeryndunhamI mean I HAVE used Bootstrap
22:59.00aeryndunhamI'm just apparently a masochistic amateur webdev who does things the long way
23:04.16jlp_znc~fingerpoke youtah
23:04.16infobotACTION pokes youtah in the eyes stooges style
23:04.54jlp_znc~listkeys (.*?) for
23:08.11jlp_znc~cook youtah
23:08.11infobotACTION throws youtah in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks youtah on 350 for an hour
23:08.23jlp_znc~pingifry youtah
23:08.23infobotACTION makes PingiZauru burn youtah to a crisp
23:23.16youtahMigs, s/global warming yo/human caused destabilization of earths natural climate changes/g
23:23.27youtahget it? I added the g because it is "Global"
23:23.30youtahHar har har har
23:23.33youtahoh man, I crack myself up
23:33.25romanovicaeryndunham: I'm actively using bootstrap v4 on a project (angular 2). it has some nice out-of-the-box features, but I find myself spending more and more time trying to bend it to my will and play nicely with angular
23:35.02romanovictempted to ditch it for angular material, or vanilla css, so I don't have to structure everything to conform with bootstrap's way of doing things
23:35.41spangbornDoesn't angular have a bootstrap module to do most of that stuff
23:35.48romanovicI do like that bootstrap finally supports sass
23:37.10romanovicangular has its own framework, Material, that I assume would pair effortlessly with angular.
23:37.54romanovicthere are angular-bootstrap libraries, including for v4, that wrap bootstrap elements as angular components.  that's what I'm currently using
23:39.18romanovicI'd like to switch, I'm just afraid I've invested so much time coding for my bootstrap grid layout, I'd have to rewrite the html and css for every component in my app
23:43.42levipAhh, the endless churn of web frontend stuff.
23:49.01romanovicindeed. although the last 3 years have been the most stable out of the last 10, for me personally.
23:51.06romanovicgetting an entire engineering dept to adopt angular, and stick with it. there was much rewrite pain. but so much less than maintaining the monstrosity that had been pieced together in-house before
23:54.09romanovicthings are still always changing, but we no longer have to tell customers "we are IE-only. also if you upgraded to the latest IE9, it's not compatible, so you'll need to downgrade to use our product." those were the dark ages.
23:55.48TodPunkangular /2/ has Material, and angular /1/ has bootstrap libs
23:56.10TodPunkthe angular /2/ bootstrap libs are kind of missing the boat, last I looked
23:56.17TodPunkthey exist, but they still think angular 1 style
23:56.24romanovicboth of them have both
23:56.54TodPunkisn't Material for angular 1 literally importing the angular 2 stuff and using the glue layer?
23:57.35romanovicnot sure, I've never used it. you may be right
23:58.05TodPunkGranted, I haven't updated my knowledge in this arena in 8 months, so it's essentially an era ago

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