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| 02:38.36 | goozbach | :) |
| 02:39.09 | straya | someone write all these dumb functions I've stubbed so I don't have to |
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| 14:21.01 | TodPunk | straya: what language? |
| 14:35.50 | jima | yeesh, amazon really is hungry |
| 14:46.27 | straya | TodPunk: C |
| 14:46.40 | straya | you can checkout the huge number of TODO's in the repo :P |
| 14:46.50 | straya | jima: yes, yes they are |
| 14:47.45 | TodPunk | I'm actually surprised Slack is such a thing |
| 14:48.07 | TodPunk | it's really crappy IRC with in-line gifs and emojis you don't have to setup weird fonts for |
| 14:48.46 | TodPunk | I get that there's a use there, but not $7/user/month or whatever they're up to usage. |
| 14:50.18 | straya | TodPunk: history. |
| 14:50.22 | straya | and read receipts. |
| 14:50.28 | straya | and garbage around that |
| 14:50.40 | straya | IRC is too decentralized for most corps to like it |
| 14:52.10 | TodPunk | That's just it, though, there's at least 3 IRC servers you can install yourself and have all of that. I get that nobody's done the work, but if it was that needed, /why/ didn't we just do the work? Slack /has/ to be shiny syndrome fad level stuff that someone will make something actually useful from that companies will migrate to then |
| 14:53.14 | TodPunk | (and all the integrations can easily move because, again, it's just IRC so the API they've put around it can't actually be that complicated) |
| 14:53.27 | straya | companies also really hate hosting stuff |
| 14:53.40 | TodPunk | That's not my point |
| 14:54.02 | TodPunk | Other companies could have easily made a simple product doing an appliance or something for that market |
| 14:54.08 | TodPunk | the possibilities are endless in that relam |
| 14:54.10 | TodPunk | *realm |
| 14:54.34 | TodPunk | instead we have slack. Just slack. Gamers have Discord, which is Slack + Mumble. |
| 14:54.39 | straya | you make more by locking people into a subscription than an appliance |
| 14:54.47 | TodPunk | No kidding. |
| 14:55.49 | TodPunk | More power to them if they can milk it for all its worth, though |
| 14:55.51 | straya | and so suddenly you realize why slack exists |
| 14:55.56 | straya | anyhow |
| 14:56.22 | straya | write C for me :P |
| 14:56.39 | TodPunk | my disappointment is less about slack as a company (they're awesome folk), and more about humanity being stupid |
| 14:56.58 | TodPunk | It's Friday. I shall write no C |
| 14:57.26 | TodPunk | You probably shouldn't either |
| 14:57.27 | straya | oh well |
| 14:57.29 | straya | I'm going to |
| 14:57.49 | TodPunk | sadly writes Javascript on a Friday |
| 14:57.53 | straya | ew |
| 14:58.38 | romanovic | TodPunk: my last company was in dire need of team/company communications. engineering probably would have been fine with IRC, but we tried to sell people on Slack just because we knew it would be easier for the non-programmers to adopt |
| 14:58.53 | romanovic | ultimately we went with Microsoft's slack clone |
| 14:58.58 | straya | lol |
| 14:58.59 | TodPunk | Lync? |
| 14:59.05 | romanovic | no, Microsoft Teams |
| 14:59.13 | straya | i.e. a disaster |
| 14:59.15 | TodPunk | That's their Facebook clone I thought |
| 14:59.40 | romanovic | either way, it's not as good as Slack. Didn't even have markdown or code snippets |
| 14:59.41 | TodPunk | with Skype/Lync integration for the chatting bits |
| 15:00.39 | TodPunk | is having flashbacks to Microsoft Dynamics again |
| 15:00.41 | TodPunk | sigh |
| 15:02.22 | romanovic | but I agree with TodPunk, irc server + persistence + shiny client = slack |
| 15:02.51 | TodPunk | We are all on the same page that slack was literally built on an IRC server, right? |
| 15:05.26 | beelzebob | My impression was always that slack was about control |
| 15:06.01 | beelzebob | irc is decentralized, has many clients, is very flexible |
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| 15:06.50 | beelzebob | slack requires no client, stores everything in a single place, isn't (really) private |
| 15:07.52 | programmerq | TodPunk⸠my understanding is that early implementations of slack was built on an irc server, but that is no longer the case. |
| 15:07.55 | TodPunk | /other/ irc networks are decentralized |
| 15:07.57 | beelzebob | The paranoid side of me imagines corporate overlords drooling while saying, "you mean we can listen to everything our employees chat about online? and search it retroactively?" |
| 15:08.06 | TodPunk | programmerq: they moved away from it as their core, yes |
| 15:23.36 | programmerq | Honestly companies that run jabber/irc/lync/skype for business/any other number of chat systems can do the same thing. The only real difference is that Slack/hipchat/campfire/etc are hosted rather than on-prem. |
| 15:28.51 | TodPunk | And they've existed for 50 years |
| 15:29.28 | TodPunk | I think Slack is popular because their free tier is actually good |
| 15:29.55 | TodPunk | goes back to ICQ =cP |
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| 15:34.49 | frostyfrog | programmerq: Slack's IRC gateway is lacking quite a bit in the IRC department. " This is caused either by a non RFC1459-compliant IRC daemon or a broken server reply." and "Server umodes seem to be '' and channel modes seem to be ''." show up every time I connect. |
| 15:35.44 | frostyfrog | beelzebob: Slack does require a client. That's whe you go to their website to connect via their web client. IRC servers have web clients too ;) |
| 15:36.06 | frostyfrog | well, some do anyways. |
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| 15:44.29 | jima | romanovic is right, Microsoft Teams is their Slack clone |
| 15:45.21 | jima | i got a preso on it right around when the NDA stuff was dropped, pretty much all of the talking points were "this is how it's like Slack" |
| 15:45.52 | jima | (which was kind of funny since we weren't a Slack shop, it's like they were trying to preempt us moving there) |
| 15:46.27 | programmerq | yes, I am under the impression that the Slack IRC gateway is pretty bad. |
| 15:47.12 | jima | and coming from an enterprise viewpoint, a lot of the "this is how it's like Slack" stuff seemed like romper room BS |
| 15:47.21 | jima | startup mentality |
| 15:47.23 | spangborn_ | TodPunk: "Uh oh!" |
| 15:47.37 | TodPunk | ~spangborn_++ |
| 15:47.54 | spangborn_ | I wonder if my ICQ ID still works |
| 15:48.01 | spangborn_ | I think youtah mentioned it's still up? |
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| 15:48.17 | jima | fires up pidgin |
| 15:48.19 | TodPunk | I thought it was very much dead |
| 15:48.56 | spangborn_ | it is apparently still alive |
| 15:48.57 | jima | crap, my centericq config was on that hd that died |
| 15:49.15 | spangborn_ | There was a new build 11 months ago |
| 15:52.46 | jima | so, i remember my id but not my password apparently |
| 15:54.56 | spangborn_ | Uh oh |
| 15:55.12 | spangborn_ | If only there was a way to reset a password |
| 15:55.26 | spangborn_ | Oh IRC is owned by a Russian company now |
| 15:55.32 | spangborn_ | Er, ICQ |
| 15:55.35 | spangborn_ | I dunno where IRC came from |
| 15:55.50 | spangborn_ | I wonder if ICQ is how Trump talks to the Russians now |
| 15:58.06 | jima | how can irc be owned by an entity? |
| 15:58.15 | jima | oh, corrected, n/m |
| 15:58.34 | jima | spangborn_: i tried resetting, it said it couldn't be |
| 15:59.18 | jima | if i fire up my old file server again, i'll try to remember to snag my centericq config |
| 15:59.43 | spangborn_ | lol a terminal-based ICQ client? |
| 15:59.54 | jima | it's an old config :-) |
| 16:00.14 | spangborn_ | The thing I loved about ICQ was being able to see what someone was typing as they were typing it |
| 16:00.30 | jima | ostensibly i also have an old pidgin config that would have it |
| 16:00.32 | spangborn_ | So you could watch someone formulate an idea and change the message on the fly |
| 16:10.43 | jima | talk(1) ;-) |
| 16:21.05 | frostyfrog | :o |
| 16:21.16 | frostyfrog | That actually sounds kind of cool |
| 16:21.23 | frostyfrog | Did it work in group chats too? |
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| 17:35.57 | jima | i moved on to office 365 :-\ |
| 17:51.55 | jlp_znc | http://natethesnake.com/ |
| 18:19.37 | bryceml | I haven't read that in a long time. |
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