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| 15:08.56 | spangborn | Is youtah intentionally avoiding IRC? |
| 15:09.48 | Tod-Work | no, just you |
| 15:09.56 | Tod-Work | I mean, yes |
| 15:10.00 | spangborn | Well that wouldn't be surprising. |
| 15:10.03 | spangborn | He's terrified of me. |
| 15:10.10 | spangborn | He hates being out-punned |
| 15:10.30 | bregalad | eightyeight: would you consider `yum makecache` to be the equivalent of `aptitude update`? If not, what would be it? |
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| 17:09.04 | unum | what about jsmith is avoiding irc, me, or the entire country |
| 17:09.12 | unum | s/is/is he |
| 17:09.19 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 17:09.35 | jsmith | I spent the last four days offline hiking in Shenandoah, and I'm at a conference today... |
| 17:09.47 | jsmith | ... but I'm not purposely ignoring or avoiding anyone :-) |
| 17:14.30 | jsmith | unum: Anything specific you needed from me? |
| 17:20.18 | eightyeight | bregalad: yes, provided you do 'yum -C update' also |
| 17:23.54 | bregalad | eightyeight: why? |
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| 17:42.34 | eightyeight | bregalad: because 'yum update' also rebuilds the local cache |
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| 17:58.21 | unum | he responds with in one minute and I'm the one who disappears |
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| 19:02.26 | Jayce^ | jsmith: you lie, you avoid us.. |
| 19:02.31 | Jayce^ | s/us/me/ :) |
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| 20:08.05 | programmerq | that's something different. |
| 20:09.07 | eightyeight | you learn quickly not to click on links from Migs |
| 20:09.10 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:09.18 | Tod-Work | worth it |
| 20:13.29 | programmerq | yeah, that wasn't so bad. |
| 20:26.41 | jlp_znc | apparently, they were "good friends". |
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| 21:44.25 | SunSparc | I am looking for a service that will route network traffic to the best (online, available, low latency) load-balancer in the closest available datacenter. |
| 21:44.32 | SunSparc | Currently I am just using DNS round robin to route traffic. |
| 21:47.21 | Tod-Work | cloudflare? |
| 21:47.38 | Tod-Work | bit more than you're asking for, I guess |
| 21:47.48 | Tod-Work | some custom nameserver thing, for sure, that's where this would have to be |
| 21:47.50 | SunSparc | checks out CloudFlare... |
| 21:48.49 | SunSparc | Checking out the features now. Thanks for the tip Tod-Work. |
| 21:49.09 | Tod-Work | aye, hope it helps |
| 22:05.43 | programmerq | SunSparc: yeah, check out the various CDN offerings. cloudflare is nice because they have a free tier. |
| 22:11.19 | SunSparc | programmerq: Thanks, I will. Though I am wondering if CDN is really appropriate. The traffic I am wanting routed is for a web API, not for a web site with cachable content. |
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| 22:12.10 | programmerq | ah, I see. |
| 22:13.00 | SunSparc | Yeah. |
| 22:13.08 | programmerq | there are dns "load balancers" that will do healthchecks and vary their response by geo-ip lookup. |
| 22:13.36 | programmerq | gslb "global server load balancing" |
| 22:13.41 | SunSparc | Those are probably more what I am looking for. |
| 22:13.54 | programmerq | personally, I'm not a fan, but it does work for certain use cases, and yours sounds like it might fit. |
| 22:14.24 | SunSparc | Thanks for the query. :) |
| 22:14.51 | programmerq | imo, they are good if you want to have 3+ geographically diverse locations |
| 22:14.55 | SunSparc | CloudFlare looks like they have some interesting DNS options, but maybe not what I need. |
| 22:15.33 | SunSparc | Yes, we try to have a least 3 geographically diverse locations, and we are growing so we want even more. |
| 22:15.42 | joshh | how diverse are the locations? |
| 22:16.13 | programmerq | the usecase I didn't like them for was we had two datacenters about 30 miles apart, and just wanted a failover mechanism so we could lose a whole DC and stay up (in theory) |
| 22:16.26 | programmerq | that meant we put *all* our internal services behind the gslb dns names |
| 22:16.28 | joshh | ultradns can do geo-based dns responses (maxmind data), and in the US you can go down the state level |
| 22:16.31 | jlp_znc | SunSparc: one that I have used a long time ago was F5's BigIP name server appliance. it would do that geo-ip lookup and custom A-record delivery. |
| 22:16.35 | joshh | but other continents are less granular |
| 22:16.40 | SunSparc | joshh, currently all in the US, East, West, Central. |
| 22:16.42 | jlp_znc | I don't know if that product is still around, but F5 is. |
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| 22:17.22 | jlp_znc | (actually, instead of geo-ip, it did some logical analysis of the actual round trip times/number of hops to the client IP) |
| 22:17.30 | SunSparc | joshh: I will look at ultradns. |
| 22:17.39 | joshh | cloudflare would do a good job of getting people to the bgp-closest edge if they were actually handling your traffic, but they don't do geo-dns specifically |
| 22:18.10 | SunSparc | jlp_znc: That sounds interesting, I will add F5 to my research list. |
| 22:18.19 | joshh | do you do your own networking/internet routing? |
| 22:18.40 | SunSparc | No, we do our best to not host anything. :) |
| 22:18.57 | joshh | ya, just use ultradns and their "directional pool" service |
| 22:18.58 | SunSparc | Our core competency is software. |
| 22:19.34 | joshh | but keep in mind if one datacenter goes down, everyone in that region will be unable to get to you unless you update your records with them |
| 22:19.51 | joshh | but their api isn't too awful |
| 22:20.14 | SunSparc | A good api is a big plus. We like to automate. |
| 22:20.45 | joshh | of course |
| 22:32.23 | wildcat | SunSparc: I like your nickname :] |
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| 22:37.16 | SunSparc | wildcat: Thanks! Sun had some great hardware. |
| 22:38.50 | wildcat | indeed |
| 22:39.02 | wildcat | got a bunch of those in my basement :] |
| 22:39.57 | SunSparc | Lucky. I used to have one of my own, but the wife made me get rid of it. That was one sad day. |
| 22:40.30 | wildcat | heh, I can imagine.. hopefully my wife likes to keep oldies even more than I do myself |
| 22:40.35 | wildcat | so I'm on the safe side :p |
| 22:41.32 | SunSparc | Haha. I regret not having sent it to the Computer History museum. (computerhistory.org) |
| 22:41.44 | wildcat | SunSparc: were you sun admin at some point? |
| 22:41.49 | SunSparc | Though I am bet they probably have some. |
| 22:42.49 | goozbach | I've used and loved F5 bigip stuff |
| 22:43.01 | goozbach | it's $$$ but it's set-and-forget and api'able |
| 22:43.06 | SunSparc | wildcat: I did some support on SunOS. But mostly I played with the hardware as a hobby. First ran into the hardware at college and fell in love with it. Installed a really early version of RedHat on it. |
| 22:43.09 | goozbach | so you can build your tooling around it |
| 22:43.47 | SunSparc | goozbach: I was just looking at their site. Looks like it could be nice. If it is good the $$$ may be worth it. |
| 22:44.06 | goozbach | we used the LTM and GTM products at Cox |
| 22:44.06 | wildcat | (I think it's really $$$$, for F5) |
| 22:44.17 | goozbach | handled a *LOT* of load |
| 22:44.19 | goozbach | wildcat: true |
| 22:44.41 | goozbach | our two dual-redundant boxes (four total) cost a large sum |
| 22:44.47 | goozbach | for the capcity we were wanting |
| 22:44.59 | goozbach | but they paid for themselves every time we did our updates |
| 22:45.05 | goozbach | api-call and out of load balancer |
| 22:45.11 | goozbach | api-call and into load balancer |
| 22:45.21 | wildcat | yeah that's nice |
| 22:45.32 | goozbach | healthcheck fails, out of the load balancer |
| 22:45.38 | wildcat | SunSparc: ever heard of "wesunsolve" ? |
| 22:45.46 | goozbach | has the ideas of draining, slow start, etc |
| 22:45.53 | SunSparc | wildcat: Nope |
| 22:45.53 | goozbach | all the "fancy" things a load balancer needs to do |
| 22:46.00 | goozbach | can't stop praising F5 stuff |
| 22:46.06 | wildcat | SunSparc: fair enough ;-) |
| 22:46.14 | goozbach | if you're a bash fan like myself you can do lots of fun stuff |
| 22:46.23 | goozbach | (it has a bash shell on the box) |
| 22:46.25 | wildcat | goozbach: well, I wish we'd be spending the money on those soon enough |
| 22:46.41 | wildcat | we're currently using both DNS RR and an homemade linux lb |
| 22:46.50 | wildcat | depending on the product we need to support |
| 22:46.55 | wildcat | but definitely that won't scale out |
| 22:47.03 | goozbach | by all means it's not a product you don't buy if you're not bringing in revenue |
| 22:47.09 | joshh | f5's are easily the best hardware load balancers out there but they are expensive and a lot of companies don't like using special gear these days |
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| 22:48.43 | SunSparc | If it is just hardware, we would not want to host it. If it is a cloud service, it is worth my looking into it. |
| 22:48.55 | wildcat | yeah it's hardware only |
| 22:49.35 | SunSparc | Ah. :( We currently have multiple haproxy nodes in each datacenter that we round-robin into. |
| 22:50.15 | SunSparc | We are looking for another layer that provides more precise traffic control. |
| 22:50.26 | wildcat | allright. I think I'm falling asleep on the keyboard.. :/ will do that in bed instead |
| 22:50.26 | SunSparc | But hardware is just not something we want to deal with. |
| 22:50.39 | SunSparc | ~sleep wildcat |
| 22:50.39 | infobot | ACTION sends wildcat to bed without supper |
| 22:50.45 | wildcat | heh |
| 22:50.50 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:51.00 | wildcat | hopefully, within 12 months I'll be in the same TZ as everyone here :p |
| 22:52.42 | SunSparc | Good luck with that! |
| 22:56.47 | SunSparc | I am out for the day. Thanks to all for the help. |
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