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| 16:18.07 | jlp_znc | I have a new favorite expletive (adjective form): "jerk store merchandise stocking" |
| 16:18.47 | levi | Gah, stupid compiler-supplied interrupt setup code doesn't work. |
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| 16:24.31 | bregalad | jlp_znc: lol |
| 16:26.05 | jlp_znc | it's from a new comic I just started reading the other day: http://grrlpowercomic.com/ the main character, Sydney, is a rather ... eloquitive swearer. |
| 16:27.03 | jlp_znc | http://grrlpowercomic.com/archives/226 <- the strip where the referred adjective phrase came from |
| 16:27.20 | jlp_znc | I can't repeat most of her other ones |
| 16:27.29 | jlp_znc | (well, I could, but this is a family channel) |
| 16:32.22 | levi | Ahh, it didn't work because it wasn't being compiled in the debug build. :P |
| 16:34.33 | bregalad | jlp_znc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLjxp_86dKs |
| 16:36.32 | jlp_znc | bregalad: yeah, I remember the reference |
| 16:39.02 | jlp_znc | ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUvzzEtNevY <- my fav from seinfeld |
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| 16:54.38 | shalkie | huh, it seems CloudFlare offers a free plan. Has anyone used it? |
| 16:54.53 | shalkie | http://www.cloudflare.com/plans |
| 16:57.04 | eightyeight | yet cloudflare forces captcha checking on tor users |
| 16:57.39 | levi | OK, the compiler-supplied code that installs interrupt handlers is busted, but other than that I've got things working. |
| 17:08.12 | shalkie | eightyeight: Aye, and that sucks. |
| 17:14.23 | shalkie | Looks like we are getting close to RHEL on an ARM box. |
| 17:14.27 | shalkie | http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/long-arm-linux-red-hat-enterprise-linux-server-arm-development-preview |
| 17:15.30 | eightyeight | i'm assuming that's the 32-bit hard float support? ARM7? |
| 17:15.46 | shalkie | ARM64 V8 |
| 17:16.38 | shalkie | s/V8/V8-A/ |
| 17:17.54 | keldwud | wait what? this is a family channel? |
| 17:18.04 | jlp_znc | you didn't know? |
| 17:18.11 | levi | Heh, they got their endianness wrong in their calculations for which field in the priority register to set. How the hell did that get released? |
| 17:18.11 | jlp_znc | we're all children of god, my friend. |
| 17:18.12 | keldwud | I never imagined *anything* on IRC being family friendly :) |
| 17:18.19 | keldwud | jlp_znc, oh snap |
| 17:18.32 | jlp_znc | giggles maniacally |
| 17:21.25 | shalkie | eightyeight: It appears that this is the "arm64" platform from Debian. |
| 17:21.44 | shalkie | s/platform/port/ |
| 17:22.19 | eightyeight | ah |
| 17:22.37 | eightyeight | ARM8 |
| 17:22.49 | levi | Who sells ARMv8 systems? |
| 17:23.39 | eightyeight | http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/64-bit-developer-kit-2014jul30.aspx |
| 17:24.10 | levi | I know they've been in Apple iOS devices for a while, but installing RedHat on one of those seems unlikely. |
| 17:24.46 | eightyeight | also: http://www.arm.com/products/tools/development-boards/versatile-express/juno-arm-development-platform.php |
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| 17:25.38 | levi | BTW, ARM naming is kind of screwy, so a name like 'ARM8' tends to mean something different than 'ARMv8'. |
| 17:25.43 | shalkie | Apparently Gigabyte has a board with it. |
| 17:25.45 | shalkie | http://techreport.com/news/28014/gigabyte-latest-microatx-board-has-an-eight-core-armv8-soc |
| 17:26.36 | levi | ARMv8 referrs to the version of the instruction set, while something like ARM9 refers to a processor family name. |
| 17:26.45 | levi | ARM9 is pretty old now. |
| 17:26.56 | eightyeight | fair enough |
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| 17:27.59 | levi | The new naming scheme for processor families uses 'Cortex' and a processor class letter plus a version number, but those versions are not tied to the instruction set version number. |
| 17:28.06 | shalkie | levi: That is pretty screwey naming. :( |
| 17:28.50 | shalkie | is now imagining a data center filled with iPhones. |
| 17:29.00 | shalkie | Redhat everywhere! |
| 17:29.09 | levi | Well, the instruction set is separately licenseable from the processor family IP; Apple, for example, licensed the ARMv8 instruction set and designed their own processor that implemented it rather than using one of ARM's processor core designs. |
| 17:29.44 | jlp_znc | because NIH |
| 17:30.18 | levi | No, because they had specific needs that were met better by a custom design than the stock Cortex designs. |
| 17:30.48 | levi | And they have the engineering resources to make that sort of customization pay off. |
| 17:31.13 | levi | Qualcomm does the same thing with their ARM-based processors. |
| 17:36.48 | levi | You may recall how the iPhone5's CPU wiped the floor with its Cortex-based contemporaries in single-core performance despite having a lower clock speed. A much smarter play than cranking up the clock speed and core count like everyone else was doing. |
| 17:44.00 | jalbretsen | anyone else ever had to explain to HR that IT and the rest are the world are different, so the job descriptions need to be different. I need someone who has "the over-welling urge to document tasks and procedures" so I can get someone that will do what I need, not someone who has "attention to detail" that HR wants to describe it as |
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| 17:46.36 | jalbretsen | I was also told it was the law we have to ask every single applicant the exact same questions to make it "fair". Luckily someone here knew a employment lawyer and asked. We cried BS and HR backed down on that one. |
| 17:47.22 | jlp_znc | HR says their job is to help you, but it's not. their job is to keep you from getting sued. |
| 17:48.50 | jalbretsen | Don't ask questions about age, religion, sexual orientation, etc etc. Check. |
| 17:50.11 | Tod-Work | jalbretsen, the "exact same questions" line is actually a lie as a legal concern. It is a policy in some places (most notably a lot of government entities) but it is not law. |
| 17:50.34 | jlp_znc | "I notice from your resume that you've been working professionally since 1987, but I'm going to assume you would be interested in this entry level programmer position. Well, we're going to call it "entry level" because we only want to pay entry level salary, but we really need someone with your experience." |
| 17:50.36 | Tod-Work | And age is actually only a protected class OVER a certain age |
| 17:51.10 | jalbretsen | Tod-Work: Ya, they wanted to know where we heard it, and we said we consulted a utah employment lawyer, and they IMMEDIATELY backed off on that. |
| 17:51.19 | jlp_znc | I think it's 40. you are not allowed to ask someone their age if it is > 40, but < 40, you can ask (and discriminate) |
| 17:51.37 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc, I thought it was 18 |
| 17:51.54 | Tod-Work | no, I think he's right in Utah |
| 17:52.00 | Tod-Work | it varies from jurisdiction |
| 17:52.10 | jlp_znc | in California it was 40. we had discrimination training at linked in. I remember joking about it a lot. |
| 17:52.28 | Tod-Work | I'm surprised in CA it's not more restricted |
| 17:52.39 | jlp_znc | me too |
| 17:52.40 | Tod-Work | they're usually bastards about all sorts of employee stuff there |
| 17:53.06 | Tod-Work | Only place I've ever worked where I HAD to take a break for a specific amount of time during specific slots |
| 17:53.15 | Tod-Work | and not because of company policy |
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| 17:53.54 | Tod-Work | keldwud, FYI, my house may be going under contract soon, might want to jump on the opportunity =cP |
| 17:58.54 | eightyeight | looks like my "talon" card cipher is holding up |
| 17:59.04 | eightyeight | passes all randomness tests (ent, rngtest, dieharder) |
| 17:59.17 | eightyeight | even for large (read 16 million+) samples |
| 17:59.47 | eightyeight | doesn't necessairly mean it has a safe security margin, but at least the baseline is met |
| 18:01.16 | bregalad | cool |
| 18:02.25 | levi | I have now successfully replaced my polling UART driver with an interrupt-driven buffered UART driver. |
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| 18:03.27 | Tod-Work | levi, in what? C? Like a heathen? |
| 18:03.50 | bregalad | lol |
| 18:04.31 | fungus | No, he used Java of course. |
| 18:04.42 | levi | C with a bit of inline assembly. That's what the deliverable needs to be. |
| 18:04.44 | Tod-Work | I don't think Java will run on a lot of the things levi works on |
| 18:05.16 | Tod-Work | levi, yeah, I only asked because I was HOPING you were still running with Forth on a thing. Probably are on something else, but I wanted it to be cooler than C |
| 18:05.24 | bregalad | but somehow google managed to plop a fat wad of java onto every last sketchy phone in the whole world |
| 18:05.26 | Tod-Work | like the cool kids |
| 18:06.16 | levi | There aren't any native Forth implementations for this thing. VLE-only PPC is not a common architecture outside of Freescale's automotive MCUs. |
| 18:06.17 | Tod-Work | bregalad, any serious java dev will disagree (like me). Dalvik is definitely not Java, despite very close standard APIs |
| 18:06.30 | Tod-Work | good lord if it were, though, that would be amazing |
| 18:06.36 | Tod-Work | JavaME was seriously underrated |
| 18:06.56 | bregalad | google lamerz |
| 18:06.59 | Tod-Work | levi, be a man, write your own forth! =cP |
| 18:07.14 | Tod-Work | still likes his phone, mind |
| 18:07.56 | levi | Tod-Work: I was working on porting one, but actually getting the stuff we need to deliver implemented has taken over my brain. |
| 18:08.10 | bregalad | my phone keeps trying to upsell me more data harvesting crap |
| 18:08.34 | Tod-Work | levi, I'm just ribbing you, you're doing good work and it's still cool |
| 18:08.52 | levi | Had to figure out a clever way to allocate buffers to deal with the expected ethernet traffic. |
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| 18:12.00 | keldwud | Tod-Work, can't afford it yet :) I'm at least 2 years out from being able to afford a house |
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| 18:14.26 | levi | I made a bitmap-based memory pool allocator for fixed-sized blocks. Neither the allocator nor deallocator have loops, and there's only a single conditional branch in the allocator. |
| 18:15.23 | keldwud | you keep talkin dirty like that and my panties are likely to drop |
| 18:15.47 | keldwud | ooh baby, give me some more jargon! :) |
| 18:16.37 | bregalad | keldwud: DJANGO and BigData |
| 18:17.47 | keldwud | oooh yeah |
| 18:17.51 | keldwud | lol actually no |
| 18:17.59 | keldwud | Big data isn't technical jargon |
| 18:18.01 | keldwud | that's lingo |
| 18:18.05 | keldwud | I want jargon, not lingo |
| 18:18.07 | keldwud | you're fired |
| 18:18.59 | keldwud | oh well.... |
| 18:19.00 | keldwud | http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/20270/whats-the-difference-between-lingo-and-jargon |
| 18:19.09 | keldwud | maybe I was attributing more definition to lingo that there actually is |
| 18:19.50 | keldwud | but it seems other people want to use it the same way I did |
| 18:19.54 | keldwud | to differentiate them |
| 18:20.04 | bregalad | I prefer to think of it as technobabble |
| 18:20.38 | keldwud | but I'm with that top answer in the stackexchange answers |
| 18:20.50 | keldwud | lingo for babble and jargon for actual technical terms |
| 18:21.06 | bregalad | notice how I couched it in a way that smacks of an unscrupulous, uncareful recruiter |
| 18:21.21 | keldwud | yeah |
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| 18:22.12 | unum_ | how about I write up a binary logic tree for you |
| 18:22.33 | jlp_znc | make it a red-black tree and you might have something |
| 18:22.33 | unum_ | to handle our np hard problem |
| 18:22.50 | bregalad | I prefer trinary trees |
| 18:22.51 | unum_ | that last line sounded dirtier than I meant.... |
| 18:23.03 | unum_ | trinary is unnatural |
| 18:23.11 | jlp_znc | so I got an e-mail from a recruiter today... he was complaining that he wasn't getting any "love" from his previous attempts to contact me. |
| 18:23.19 | unum_ | god clearly designed us to implement binary trees |
| 18:23.35 | bregalad | tell that to the elementary particles that experience the strong force |
| 18:24.24 | jlp_znc | here's the direct quote: "So, I've been trying to reach you for a couple weeks now, and getting no love in return." |
| 18:24.34 | bregalad | lol |
| 18:24.37 | jlp_znc | you would think he would take the hint. but no. |
| 18:24.54 | bregalad | tell them they can find love on craigslist |
| 18:25.34 | jlp_znc | it's for a software engineer with GE Capital. pass, and pass. |
| 18:27.14 | bregalad | I've been recruited recently by another division in that company; from everything I know about GE, I would stay away from them in all life contexts |
| 18:27.32 | unum_ | in our last meeting the company owner wondered out loud about someone who had learned english as a second language showing up to that meeting and thinking they had been scammed into thinking they had learned english, since nothing we said would make any sense because of all the jargon |
| 18:27.44 | jlp_znc | yeah. I know a guy who worked there for a while. it didn't sound like the kind of place I wanted to work. |
| 18:28.40 | shalkie | Once when I was younger I did an interview and they asked me where I went on my mission, I said I hadn't gone on one. There was only two quick questions after that. |
| 18:29.03 | jlp_znc | oooo, lawsuit material. |
| 18:29.06 | unum_ | ther's so much jargon. There's tech jargon, there's industry jargon, there's vendor jargon, there's company jargon |
| 18:29.29 | levi | Grr, PPC has some nice instructions for setting bitfields, but the compiler didn't use them. Probably because C makes it hard to portably express the fact that you're doing that in a compiler-obvious way. |
| 18:29.35 | unum_ | I have a habbit of referring to servers by their last quad |
| 18:29.49 | jlp_znc | levi: embedded assembly for the win |
| 18:30.18 | bregalad | shalkie: reminds me of my dating years :-/ |
| 18:30.34 | shalkie | Fune note: An IRS investigator just showed up looking for the previous residents at my house. |
| 18:31.23 | jlp_znc | his name wasn't Ishmael, was it? |
| 18:32.04 | shalkie | bregalad: My uncle tried to get me to go on a mission under the premise that the dating would miraculously improve once I had "RM" stamped on my forehad. |
| 18:32.15 | shalkie | jlp_znc: I think it was Cpt. Ahab. ;) |
| 18:32.40 | jlp_znc | I had some IRS guy poking around my house last summer... Ishmael D. Franco was his name. |
| 18:32.57 | jlp_znc | we've lived there for 15+ years. |
| 18:33.14 | shalkie | The IRS investigator? |
| 18:33.29 | jlp_znc | and couldn't you have just avoided the whole mission thing and written RM on your forehead with a sharpie? |
| 18:33.53 | shalkie | Oh, the investigator was a gal. |
| 18:33.55 | jlp_znc | yeah, IRS guy... not sure if he was an "investigator" or not. I was in California at the time. |
| 18:33.58 | jlp_znc | ahh |
| 18:34.15 | jlp_znc | the name was distinctive enough that I remembered it |
| 18:34.35 | keldwud | no, asking where someone went on their mission is a loophole |
| 18:34.39 | jlp_znc | he was annoying my wife after her knee surgery. |
| 18:34.41 | keldwud | same with asking "what ward are you in?" |
| 18:34.55 | jlp_znc | keldwud: does "mental" count as a response? |
| 18:34.59 | keldwud | they can discriminate all they want based off the answers to those questions |
| 18:35.09 | keldwud | and most likely get away with it |
| 18:35.17 | keldwud | since they aren't directly asking you about your religion |
| 18:35.21 | keldwud | and are just making "small talk" |
| 18:35.49 | shalkie | The neighbors told me that whatever was happening here previously warranted the US Marshals being involved. |
| 18:35.54 | keldwud | shalkie, your uncle was right |
| 18:36.08 | keldwud | nothing drops the panties like telling a girl in utah you are a returned missionary |
| 18:36.11 | keldwud | true story |
| 18:36.34 | keldwud | makes 'em get freaky and touchy and stuff |
| 18:37.32 | keldwud | shalkie, wow. maybe they were running a boiler room operation there to sell drugs |
| 18:37.59 | shalkie | keldwud: Oh, don't add to my "I bought a drug house" paranoia. |
| 18:38.12 | jlp_znc | keldwud: what's this fascination you have with panties? |
| 18:38.50 | keldwud | jlp_znc, I dunno. I guess they are on my mind today |
| 18:39.00 | jlp_znc | well. okay. |
| 18:39.05 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 18:39.29 | keldwud | most likely because I've been dwelling on a recent experience and the fact that I am rejecting her until she gets back on her feet again |
| 18:39.30 | keldwud | ... |
| 18:40.05 | keldwud | repressed something or other I guess |
| 18:40.29 | keldwud | shalkie, just sniff the walls :) |
| 18:40.37 | keldwud | tell me what they smell like |
| 18:45.03 | bregalad | when I was engaged, some clown asked me about missions and when he found I hadn't gone and my wife had, he said 'oh, so she's the spiritual one' |
| 18:46.40 | bregalad | also, when you are getting married, everyone seems aggressively preoccupied with presentiments of big days and lucky girls |
| 18:46.53 | bregalad | annoyed the crap out of me |
| 18:47.16 | jlp_znc | did you slap him? |
| 18:49.27 | bregalad | I went on countless dates with girls who withdrew all their wily affectations once they found out how wicked I was mission-wise |
| 18:50.42 | bregalad | which shows you how stupid I was at the time to even be interested in such shallow people |
| 19:06.09 | unum_ | bregalad: ya best to just view it as a time saver :) |
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| 19:07.12 | unum_ | darn nbc/wsj has Trump at 11 |
| 19:07.17 | unum_ | he needs to be at 10 to make the debate |
| 19:07.57 | bregalad | 11 bathrooms? golf courses? shopping carts? |
| 19:08.04 | unum_ | *someone* should have fudged those numbers |
| 19:08.16 | unum_ | 11 place in the polling |
| 19:08.40 | bregalad | yeah, now the SNL skits aren't going to be as funny :( |
| 19:09.23 | unum_ | just to clarify I'd never mess with the numbers, as much I might want to |
| 19:09.59 | unum_ | actually what I want to do is make it so the number one issue to voters is electronic voters machines |
| 19:10.19 | unum_ | that ought to get some people thinking about the issue |
| 19:10.44 | unum_ | it would get me fired and prosecuted, but it would get people thinking about computers counting votes |
| 19:10.49 | bregalad | you mean 'turning elections into a farce' machines? |
| 19:11.24 | levi | There are plenty of forces at work turning elections into a farce before electronic voting machines even come into play. |
| 19:13.20 | unum_ | levi: true |
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| 20:36.19 | shalkie | keldwud: They taste like blue berries... Wait, you said smell. |
| 20:36.57 | shalkie | *shrug* What kind of smell would I be looking for? |
| 20:36.59 | jlp_znc | as long as they don't taste like snozberries |
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| 21:05.42 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow |
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| 23:29.45 | shalkie | jlp_znc: They could taste like snozberries, since I have no reference with which to compare. |