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| 00:05.55 | davido_ | Alrighty then... just arrived at the new Utah C++ meetup: http://www.meetup.com/Utah-Cpp-Programmers/events/207807652/ |
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| 00:20.22 | jlp_znc | and ... nobody's there. |
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| 01:24.13 | RyanE | C++? That hot new language? :) |
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| 06:31.47 | harleypig | Isn't there a tool for apache that will report permissions for a path? |
| 06:41.06 | levi | RyanE: Well, it's sort of been re-making itself regularly for years. |
| 06:50.07 | levi | C++11/14 is like a different language that manages to remain backward-compatible with old-C++ and C still. :P |
| 07:11.20 | levi | Holy cow, the final draft of C++14 is 1366 pages. |
| 07:19.17 | harleypig | Isn't that about how big obamacare is? |
| 07:21.48 | jxqz | obamacare++ |
| 07:25.34 | harleypig | Is there an underflow error? |
| 07:49.40 | levi | It's around the same scale as the OMAP4 TRM. |
| 08:55.40 | Sargun | Rust. |
| 08:55.48 | Sargun | levi: What do you think of Rust |
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| 14:14.17 | levi | Rust is interesting. I hope it gains a lot of industrial acceptance once it stabilizes. |
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| 16:56.58 | davido__ | Tuesday Salt Lake Perl Mongers will be featuring a presentation on Asynchronous Programming Patterns with Mojo::IOLoop::Delay. http://saltlake.pm.org has details. |
| 17:27.31 | youtah | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/10629430_10152356817690060_1068672651471515875_o.jpg That is Uranus at the bottom left (the brightest one). That is the blood moon just starting to come out of the Lunar Eclipse at around 5:30am, while hidden behind a thing layer of Cirrus clouds. |
| 17:30.22 | youtah | And here is Pleiades, aka the Seven Sisters. Also the logo that Subaru uses for their cars. Subaru is Japanese for Pleiades btw. http://i.imgur.com/hmvlGy7.jpg |
| 17:32.02 | youtah | The fuzzy spots around the 7 stars you see, are actually nebulous gases, not haze from the sky. |
| 17:32.40 | neybar_work | do you have a link to buy the blood moon shot? |
| 17:32.54 | neybar_work | not seeing it on your jeffmcgrathphotography.com site |
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| 17:33.04 | youtah | Not yet |
| 17:33.30 | youtah | but I can VPN into my home computer really fast and post the high resolution ones online for you to buy if that's what you're asking ;) |
| 17:37.30 | neybar_work | Do it. No hurry though :) |
| 17:53.45 | Jayce | actually, he wants a pliades one with your subaru.... |
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| 18:07.53 | youtah | That's my #1 selling Jayce |
| 18:14.32 | Tod-Work | RyanE, What's your ISP at home, if I may be so bold? |
| 18:14.46 | Tod-Work | (I once asked this several months ago, but I forgot) |
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| 18:29.37 | youtah | So. Quiet. |
| 18:33.36 | jsmith | youtah: Quiet -- we're all trying to do real work here :-p |
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| 19:08.42 | youtah | lol jsmith |
| 19:08.51 | youtah | Ha! You're insinuating that Jayce works |
| 19:08.51 | jxqz | ~work |
| 19:08.51 | infobot | methinks work is the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
| 19:09.00 | jxqz | that is correct |
| 19:23.42 | SunSparc | youtah: That blood moon picture is awesome. |
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| 19:25.05 | jsmith | SunSparc: See, I told you mine was lame :-p |
| 19:25.47 | SunSparc | haha, jsmith, yours was not lame, it was good, but youtah's is awesome. ;) |
| 19:26.59 | jsmith | SunSparc: He also had the advantage of a telescope, and better camera gear |
| 19:29.03 | SunSparc | Yep. The right tools make a big difference. |
| 19:30.23 | SunSparc | youtah: Mind if I use that picture for my Facebook cover photo? |
| 19:32.20 | youtah | SunSparc, totally fine! |
| 19:32.52 | SunSparc | Thanks :) |
| 19:32.55 | youtah | Did I show you pictures of the telescopes I was using? |
| 19:33.05 | SunSparc | I did not see them. |
| 19:33.15 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/94N0Wa4.jpg |
| 19:33.56 | youtah | That was the 3400mm focal length (208ish mm) f/16.3 two element refracting telecope I used for this photo: http://i.imgur.com/2Wyb97F.jpg |
| 19:34.46 | youtah | and this telescope (1280mm focal length) at 160mm at f/8 http://i.imgur.com/nKvWA6q.jpg was what I used to capture the rest of the shots |
| 19:35.02 | SunSparc | You talking about that big mounted white one in the middle of the room? That is awsome! |
| 19:35.12 | youtah | Yes, correct |
| 19:35.40 | SunSparc | Wow, most impressive. |
| 19:35.51 | youtah | I like it. It's fun. Worth staying up all night for |
| 19:35.53 | SunSparc | Where are these scopes mounted? |
| 19:36.05 | youtah | The big huge one is at the Stans Bury Observatory |
| 19:36.24 | youtah | the other one is a "portable" telescope that my friend owns. |
| 19:36.56 | SunSparc | Haha, "portable". |
| 19:37.10 | youtah | He has a minivan with the entire back end modified to fit it, so he breaks it down and can move it around |
| 19:37.37 | SunSparc | That is devotion. I am somewhat jealous. |
| 19:38.00 | youtah | yeah, he's on the board for the SLAS and has previously, a couple of times, been the president |
| 19:38.04 | SunSparc | I keep wanting to get a telescope so I can take the kids out and show them some cool stuff. |
| 19:38.28 | jsmith | SunSparc: "Amateurs worry about equipment... Professionals worry about money.... Masters worry about light." |
| 19:38.43 | youtah | Some other shots I got with his telescope that night: http://i.imgur.com/hmvlGy7.jpg |
| 19:38.51 | SunSparc | jsmith: So true. |
| 19:38.55 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/jeK4anR.jpg |
| 19:39.24 | SunSparc | Seriously?! Spectacular. |
| 19:39.34 | levi | Grrrrrrrr, robo-dialed recorded advertisements. |
| 19:39.41 | youtah | and I cannot remember if I showed you this one or not, but this is the Cirrus clouds overlaying the moon as it was coming out of the Lunar Eclipse, with Uranus at the bottom left corner http://i.imgur.com/CiWKjYY.jpg |
| 19:39.59 | SunSparc | youtah: Is that first one the big dipper? |
| 19:40.17 | youtah | No, it is M45, aka Pleiades |
| 19:40.20 | youtah | aka the 7 sisters |
| 19:40.51 | youtah | Subaru, uses it as their emblem on their car. Subaru in Japanese means Pleiades |
| 19:41.08 | SunSparc | Cool |
| 19:41.13 | RyanE | Tod-Work: XMission through Qwest. Slow, but otherwise mostly non-sucky. |
| 19:41.19 | youtah | The second one is M42, and is the Orion Nebulous |
| 19:41.34 | Tod-Work | RyanE, thank you. I like XMission. |
| 19:41.44 | Tod-Work | I don't think I could go back to that upload speed, though |
| 19:42.39 | RyanE | yeah, it bites, but I hate Comcast with the heat of 1000 suns. |
| 19:42.46 | SunSparc | youtah: Those are the celestial images that really make people rethink what they see when they look up. |
| 19:43.22 | Tod-Work | hides his hostname >.> |
| 19:43.38 | fozzmoo | has been uber happy with Vivint Wireless |
| 19:43.54 | SunSparc | peaks at Tod-Work's hostname... |
| 19:44.11 | SunSparc | is in the same boat :( |
| 19:44.32 | SunSparc | I am looking into using Neighborhood Networks. |
| 19:44.47 | Tod-Work | I will never, EVER use a wireless ISP unless he's outside of city land |
| 19:45.19 | fozzmoo | It's great. |
| 19:45.28 | Tod-Work | still wireless |
| 19:45.36 | SunSparc | Yeah, I have heard hit or miss stories with wireless. Though I hear good things about Vivint wireless. |
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| 19:45.58 | asoc | I was just super mad about the lack of support of the Maquiere (sp) deal here in the salt lake valley |
| 19:46.06 | youtah | gently pats his fiber optics to house |
| 19:46.06 | fozzmoo | Believe me, I was skeptical... but, as I've said, it's been great. 75 Mbps, symmetric. |
| 19:46.23 | youtah | 100mbps up & down here |
| 19:46.35 | joshh | wow, i would have guessed quite differently |
| 19:46.38 | youtah | but I wish pashdown would buy veracity so I could have XMission instead ;) |
| 19:46.41 | joshh | maybe we're in the age of decent wisps finally |
| 19:46.55 | fozzmoo | crosses various appendages. |
| 19:47.29 | SunSparc | dreams of downloading a petabyte of data in one second... |
| 19:48.35 | fozzmoo | After waiting for 3.5TB to move across a gigabit ethernet network, I wondered why we used to think gigabit ethernet was so freakin' fast. |
| 19:48.49 | youtah | ^^^^^ |
| 19:49.04 | youtah | I am currently backing up 5.5 TB of data to Back Blaze right now |
| 19:49.18 | youtah | I am looking at ~ 1TB every two weeks |
| 19:49.26 | levi | Yeah, when do we get cheap 10G NICs and switches? |
| 19:49.40 | programmerq | yeah, that's why I made sure to get cat6 copper when I wired my house. it isn't impossible that 10gigabit will be a reasonable thing to switch to in the next decade. |
| 19:49.58 | youtah | drools |
| 19:49.59 | SunSparc | Remember when 9600 baud was the hotness? |
| 19:50.09 | levi | Sadly, I do. |
| 19:50.24 | SunSparc | Those were good times. :) |
| 19:50.41 | programmerq | I remember being excited about our first cable modem. |
| 19:50.55 | youtah | I remember about passing out when my 486 got a connection of 36Kbps |
| 19:51.05 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:52.34 | fozzmoo | I remember dialing into USU's VAX at 300 baud. :) |
| 19:52.45 | programmerq | I was in 7th grade or so when I bought a 486 at a surplus auction for cheap, and figured out how to set up "ip masquerade" for the other computers in the house. |
| 19:53.08 | programmerq | it was way better than the windows 95 tray icon thing we had that was a socks server. |
| 19:53.22 | fozzmoo | The nice thing (if you can call it that) about 300 baud is that you don't really need to worry about using XON/XOFF because you can pretty much read the text as fast as it's coming across the line.. |
| 19:53.54 | programmerq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/@Home_Network <-- this was my first cable provider. |
| 19:55.24 | SunSparc | Hah, I used to work for @Home. |
| 19:55.38 | fozzmoo | programmerq: I had @Home too. They were awesome. |
| 19:55.56 | fozzmoo | When @Home was in business, Cache Valley was the best-connected area of Utah. |
| 19:56.19 | fozzmoo | Then AT&T bought them and it all went south from there. |
| 19:59.37 | programmerq | @home had some pretty horrific support folks. |
| 19:59.51 | programmerq | since I was using linux, they would piss and moan and wouldn't actually look at anything. |
| 20:00.09 | programmerq | that was really my first experience dealing with tech support for anything. |
| 20:00.39 | SunSparc | Back before Linux was as mainstream as it is now. |
| 20:01.07 | programmerq | well, a good majority of consumer routers these days are linux. I was basically doing exactly that before consumer routers were a thing. |
| 20:01.37 | programmerq | (I guess I don't *know* that a majority are, but it is pretty common) |
| 20:02.28 | levi | I had a 10-base2 ethernet based on some surplus cards running at home. We were only sharing a modem connection, but at least it had a dedicated line. |
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| 20:03.35 | levi | I had a surplus serial terminal hooked up at one point, too. |
| 20:04.55 | SunSparc | That reminds me of the Computer History museum in San Jose. I want to take my kids there someday. |
| 20:05.29 | levi | Also, StarCraft via WINE. :) |
| 20:06.05 | programmerq | we'll be having this same conversation about the same period of time when we are in nursing homes. |
| 20:07.12 | SunSparc | Haha, well, at least we have something to look forward to. :) |
| 20:07.45 | SunSparc | I do not think I ever got StarCraft to work in Wine. |
| 20:08.51 | programmerq | one thing I saw on /r/oculus a while back was a guy would take a flight simulator setup to nursing homes. (he had an oculus and a monitor available, so there was a choice). |
| 20:09.18 | programmerq | he said it was fun because some people in homes were pilots, but wouldn't be able to pass medical, but are still pretty good. |
| 20:15.21 | asoc | levi: that was many a day in highschool in the back of the class :) |
| 20:16.06 | asoc | but everyone blamed me for lag cause I was on a "weird" OS |
| 20:16.52 | asoc | Turned out it was the router having issues because of the HD media streaming that was going on in the other room. |
| 20:17.50 | asoc | But StarCraft usually ended up going later than the movie so about 1am on was lag free |
| 20:17.57 | asoc | :) |
| 20:26.12 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/30TM2vP.jpg |
| 20:26.22 | youtah | does love PHP |
| 20:26.29 | youtah | as a disclaimer |
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| 20:30.21 | SunSparc | ~PHP |
| 20:30.21 | infobot | Mmmmmmmmhmmmm! Tasty scripts!! http://www.php.net/, or the solution of choice for relaying mysql errors to users |
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| 22:16.12 | harleypig | perl has Data::Dumper (and a bunch of other modules) for dumping data. Is there a simple way I can do the same with a c program? |
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| 22:24.09 | harleypig | Doesn't look like it |
| 22:24.12 | Jayce | harleypig: try http://tinyurl.com/k4rrl4j |
| 22:25.05 | levi | harleypig: printf. ;) |
| 22:25.28 | harleypig | Jayce: http://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-Sk36B8YYtYamk |
| 22:25.54 | Jayce | :D |
| 22:25.58 | Jayce | thought you'd enjoy |
| 22:27.16 | harleypig | http://www.montypython.net/sounds/hg/icky.wav |
| 22:27.46 | levi | I'm not really sure what you'd want a generic C dumper to do, in general. |
| 22:28.41 | levi | Actually, the nice generic way to dump data in C is with gdb. |
| 22:29.37 | levi | The compiler includes all sorts of information about the memory layout of your data in its DWARF debug data that it sticks in your binary. |
| 22:29.51 | harleypig | I was trying to avoid gdb |
| 22:30.04 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 22:30.08 | harleypig | *SIGH* |
| 22:31.27 | levi | Well, I generally write dumping routines for all the data structures I create that write to some common place, like a file descriptor or a buffer passed to them. |
| 22:36.39 | jlp_znc | geez, harleypig, what do you want C to do, hold your hand? |
| 22:36.49 | levi | But there's no built-in mechanism in C for data introspection or dynamic-type-based dispatch. |
| 22:37.00 | harleypig | I want it to shake me off like perl does. |
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| 22:37.08 | jlp_znc | how would a C data dumper handle a union, anyway? |
| 22:37.16 | levi | Well, at least not a very sophisticated mechanism, anyway. |
| 22:37.22 | jlp_znc | now python, there's a hand holdy language |
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| 22:44.17 | levi | I wonder what it would take for your program to find its own binary, grovel it for the ELF table and relevant DWARF data, and use that to implement runtime data introspection. |
| 23:42.35 | jlp_znc | sounds like an interesting library to write |
