| 00:10.59 | ldav15 | jlp_znc: I wonder if history will remember the "First Gulf War" as 1990-1991 or 1990-2011 or 1990-2014+. Tacking the Iran-Iraq War it could be even longer 1980-2014+. |
| 00:15.43 | jlp_znc | ldav15: yeah, I guess I never thought about it that way. I think of it as desert shield -> desert storm |
| 00:16.02 | jlp_znc | so 1990-1991 |
| 00:18.09 | jlp_znc | a friend and former co-worker of mine was in the navy and deployed to the gulf on the USS Ranger (a non-nuclear aircraft carrier) |
| 00:18.48 | jlp_znc | as he put it, he spent most of the war collecting urine samples from crew members for drug testing :-/ |
| 00:19.56 | jlp_znc | "so what did you do in the war, daddy?" (actually, he never had any kids, so that would never happen) |
| 00:20.57 | jlp_znc | ahh, bmurdock is not on channel... he also knows the same friend and worked with him at a different company. |
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| 00:43.35 | joshh | heh |
| 01:05.29 | Volkard | ldav15, Dont think it will |
| 01:06.08 | Volkard | You can continue reducing conflicts in that area furthere why just stop there? |
| 01:06.12 | Volkard | trace it back to ottoman times |
| 01:07.17 | Volkard | or babylonian times |
| 01:07.40 | Volkard | as long as we're generalizing |
| 01:08.49 | ldav15 | Volkard: The US wasn't involved in either Ottoman times or Babylonian times. |
| 01:09.11 | Volkard | right |
| 01:09.24 | jnbek | well if you really want to get technical, humanity has been in a state of war since before history was kept. History in itself came as a way to keep track of who was killing who |
| 01:10.00 | jnbek | you can't find one period in history where someone wasn't at war with someone |
| 01:10.22 | Volkard | yep |
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| 01:11.39 | jnbek | jlp_znc: iirc, the USS Ranger was the last of the original yorktown class ships in commission |
| 01:11.58 | jnbek | didn't get the press that Enterprise CV7 or Hornet ( either one ) got |
| 01:12.02 | jnbek | but it was there too |
| 01:12.35 | jnbek | oop nope |
| 01:12.46 | jnbek | Ranger CV4 was decommed in 46 |
| 01:13.21 | jnbek | also s/CV7/CV6/ |
| 01:13.25 | jnbek | fingers need a diet |
| 01:13.30 | Volkard | ldav15, but the US had quite warm relations , to say on the least, with saddam even before the war broke out |
| 01:13.39 | Volkard | even after he nationalized its oil in 1975 |
| 01:13.52 | jnbek | aye, cuz he hated Iran more than we did :-P |
| 01:14.08 | Volkard | also, they were strogly backing the pahlavi Shan of iran |
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| 01:14.14 | Volkard | who was staunchly pro-west. |
| 01:14.35 | Volkard | the CIA had stopped collecting their own intelligence because the relationship was so good |
| 01:14.43 | Volkard | they started relying entirely on the Shah's SAVAK |
| 01:14.51 | Volkard | oh |
| 01:15.01 | Volkard | and of course they already had strong relations in that region with the Saudis |
| 01:15.12 | jnbek | :D |
| 01:15.19 | jnbek | a history buff I see |
| 01:15.21 | Volkard | ARAMCO |
| 01:15.28 | Volkard | arab american oil corp |
| 01:15.30 | Volkard | or something like that |
| 01:19.01 | Volkard | ldav15, , the US has been meddling in that region since at least the 50s |
| 01:26.02 | Volkard | jnbek, love history |
| 01:26.35 | jnbek | aye, we pretty much picked up the meddling for the British when they couldn't afford to meddle there anymore |
| 01:29.25 | Volkard | yep |
| 01:29.25 | jnbek | the difference really is, Britain just made the attempt to directly rule the areas. We just 'occupy' |
| 01:29.35 | Volkard | who discovered the oil? |
| 01:29.36 | Volkard | the brits |
| 01:29.37 | Volkard | BP |
| 01:29.39 | jnbek | yep |
| 01:29.45 | ldav15 | Definitely BP. |
| 01:30.16 | Volkard | in iraq specifically in 53 it was BP |
| 01:30.23 | Volkard | iraq-kuwaity |
| 01:30.26 | Volkard | kuwait |
| 01:30.31 | Volkard | that shared oil field |
| 01:31.04 | Volkard | Rumaila/Ratqa |
| 01:31.13 | Volkard | it shares a border |
| 01:31.19 | jnbek | yea, but the Brits had wells already in Iraq back in 32... it's why they fought so hard against the Grand Mufti and his guys in 42, was to protect that oil |
| 01:31.45 | jnbek | the Germans had eyes on that oil too |
| 01:32.16 | jnbek | and the Mufti was willing to give to them to be rid of the Brts |
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| 01:33.57 | Volkard | yep |
| 01:34.37 | Volkard | sykes pecot agreement gave them control to massive swathes of ex-ottoman territory stretching from oil fiends in iran to mediteranean |
| 01:34.49 | Volkard | and they had, ultimately unrealized, plans for pipelines |
| 01:37.40 | jnbek | yep, all that mess laid the groundwork for all this bs today.. |
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| 01:43.53 | Volkard | whats your fav historical area? |
| 01:47.35 | Volkard | jnbek, ldav15 jlp_znc |
| 01:48.02 | jnbek | too many to list... lol |
| 01:49.54 | jnbek | anything WW2 really, WW1, the interwars, name an era in Europe or Asia... My g'pa was in the Navy in ww2, so we watched every movie about that came on the TV when I was growing up. |
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| 01:50.04 | jnbek | History has always fascinated me |
| 01:50.49 | Volkard | I majored in Asian history |
| 01:51.09 | Volkard | The big 3 particularly |
| 01:51.26 | Volkard | China, Japan and Korea |
| 01:51.29 | jnbek | aye |
| 01:52.07 | Volkard | feel free to ask anything about asian history ;D |
| 01:52.15 | jnbek | I didn't really go to school for it, I would just hit the libraries and get books and just read. |
| 01:52.48 | jnbek | most of the time in school, by the time we got to the history class, I already knew all the stuffs about the subject. |
| 01:53.33 | Volkard | My specialties are asian economics, military, culture, daily life, art & music, as well as geopolitics. |
| 01:54.10 | jnbek | and I'm the jerk that ruins movies for everyone, like pointing out that the Huns were in East Asia in the ~200s and that it couldn't have been the Huns in Mulan... that it would have had to have been Gengis Khan based off the use of fireworks |
| 01:54.12 | ldav15 | I like history, but there's a whole lot I don't know about it. I like old stuff. Middle Ages. Byzantium. |
| 01:56.46 | Volkard | jnbek, I dont ruin it for everbody, just myself :) as for Mulan, well it's more legend than anything else but obviously a very famous and important one artistically speaking and literature wise. |
| 01:57.14 | Volkard | but there are examples of women fighters in the east. |
| 01:57.34 | jnbek | Volkard: aye... I speak facetiously with regard. but, yea, I notice little things like that. lol |
| 01:57.40 | Volkard | in chinese history theres a famous vietnamese rebellion arond 40AD where 2 sisters led an uprising against the Han |
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| 01:59.15 | Volkard | but the chinese really fought the huns around 150 BC |
| 01:59.22 | Volkard | there is a lot of debate |
| 01:59.31 | jnbek | yea |
| 01:59.34 | Volkard | whether Xiongu are really related to the Huns |
| 01:59.35 | Volkard | or not |
| 01:59.56 | jnbek | yea when you get back to those days, it's so hit and miss due to the lack of literacy |
| 02:00.04 | jnbek | alot of heresay and such |
| 02:00.22 | jnbek | or one sided opinions from the literate culture being ravaged by the other |
| 02:02.03 | Volkard | no |
| 02:02.10 | Volkard | its not cracpot stuff |
| 02:02.19 | Volkard | like gavin menzies |
| 02:02.31 | Volkard | its just doesnt have much to support it |
| 02:02.42 | Volkard | pretty much the entire argument rests on a phonetic link of their names |
| 02:02.49 | Volkard | which are exogenous |
| 02:03.25 | Volkard | its not impossible, but its speculation |
| 02:03.32 | jnbek | well, yea, I wasn't disputing the theory |
| 02:03.50 | Volkard | from language perspective I can understand it |
| 02:04.05 | Volkard | because its very reasonable to say that Hun or Xiong could be cognates by way of loans, but its not worth much |
| 02:04.26 | Volkard | in chinese sources, the 2 names that come up for the Han era barbarians to the north are Xiongnu and Xun Yu |
| 02:04.39 | jnbek | yep, totally |
| 02:05.05 | Volkard | if an outside group didnt speak a sinitic language, the chinese would still use characters to record their endonym |
| 02:05.18 | Volkard | so its not sdtetch to say xiongnu and xunyu are the same people. |
| 02:06.00 | Volkard | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#Traditional_Xiongnu_theory |
| 02:06.13 | Volkard | This part of Peter Heather sums it well: |
| 02:06.15 | Volkard | The ancestors of our [4th century European] Huns could even have been a part of the [1st century] Xiongnu confederation, without being the 'real' Xiongnu. Even if we do make some sort of connection between the 4th century Huns and the 1st century Xiongnu, an awful lot of water has passed under an awful lot of bridges in the three hundred years' worth of lost history. |
| 02:09.08 | jnbek | interesting.. |
| 02:09.19 | jnbek | knows what he's doing after work this evening... |
| 02:09.50 | Volkard | whats that? :D |
| 02:10.25 | Volkard | its one of those things that people want to be true ;) |
| 02:10.29 | jnbek | studying up on first century China/Mongolia and surrounding environs :D |
| 02:10.39 | jnbek | be nice to fill in all these gaps I have in my Asian history as well. |
| 02:11.21 | Volkard | feel free to ask me anything on the subject |
| 02:11.33 | Volkard | its my expertise plus I have a lot of really good reference books here |
| 02:13.28 | jnbek | count on it :) |
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| 03:39.22 | Volkard | lol |
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| 06:17.46 | jlp_znc | Volkard: I like WWI and WWII history, history of air power, and ancient civs. I got my taste for history late, though... hated it in grade school. it wasn't until college when I was trying to figure out what to take my 24 credits of humanities in that I found history. |
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| 15:08.31 | levi | Yo. |
| 15:08.52 | levi | (Wait, isn't 'Yo' some new thing now? Damn, gotta stop saying it.) |
| 15:11.44 | jsmith | levi: I've replaced it in my lexicon with "Yowsers", which is how I feel when I hear how much money the "Yo" app has received from investors |
| 15:12.25 | goozbach | yo ap? |
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| 15:16.23 | levi | I know nothing about it aside from it being some sort of degenerate social app that is really stupid and got a ton of investment cash. |
| 15:16.35 | levi | I don't think I want to know more. |
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| 15:36.23 | shalkie | It uses "context based" conversation. You see a list of people, you click on the name and it sends a message consisting of "Yo" the recipient. |
| 15:36.31 | shalkie | As I understand it, anyways. |
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| 15:42.15 | goozbach | think pre-defined push subscription? |
| 15:46.42 | shalkie | If I parsed that correctly, yes. |
| 15:47.59 | goozbach | someone paid a lot for pubsubhub with a pre-defined message |
| 15:53.02 | jsmith | goozbach: pubsubhubbubrubadubdub? |
| 15:54.27 | goozbach | pubsubhubbubrubadubadubthreemeninatub |
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| 16:02.19 | jsmith | goozbach: You shouldn't talk about such things in polite company like #utah :-p |
| 16:05.43 | fungus | "polite company" in #utah? lol |
| 16:06.07 | jxqz | I really hope the computer/communications portion of society moves beyond the "social media" fixation soon |
| 16:06.58 | jxqz | but really, you can tell what's stupid/popular by what the latest (successful) startups are doing |
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| 16:19.33 | ldav15__ | social media: We'll take all these servers ... and really smart people ... and make ... a rubber chicken! |
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| 16:38.06 | eightyeight | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140620/05270927633/house-overwhelmingly-votes-to-slam-backdoor-shut-nsa.shtml |
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| 16:42.15 | youtah | SHOOT! |
| 16:42.29 | youtah | What was that website that automatically generated wordy garbage ? |
| 16:43.44 | youtah | It was a fake random inspirational quotes generator |
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| 16:49.12 | goozbach | youtah: like ipsum.com |
| 16:49.14 | goozbach | ? |
| 16:49.37 | eightyeight | http://baconipsum.com/ |
| 16:51.27 | goozbach | hodoripsum.com |
| 16:51.50 | goozbach | it exists!!!! |
| 16:51.52 | goozbach | http://hodoripsum.com/ |
| 16:52.11 | eightyeight | what is this? |
| 16:52.20 | eightyeight | heh |
| 16:53.02 | eightyeight | almost as good as baconipsum |
| 16:53.29 | goozbach | http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/got_character |
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| 17:16.32 | jxqz | youtah: http://rubberducky.org/cgi-bin/chomsky.pl |
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| 19:36.09 | Volkard | Hello |
| 19:36.53 | RyanE | howdy |
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| 19:37.37 | harleypig | goozbach: linked from hodoripsum ... http://scottslicho.com/ |
| 19:38.08 | goozbach | he's staring into my soul |
| 19:38.25 | jxqz | levi: I'm going to try to make it to lambda lounge this time |
| 19:38.43 | jxqz | although the kid will be coming along |
| 19:41.02 | RyanE | I may as well, depending on the calendar. |
| 19:41.17 | harleypig | Ipsum type pages: http://www.fillerati.com/ -- http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/text/ -- http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ |
| 19:41.30 | harleypig | Also, here's a collection that I haven't gone through very far yet. |
| 19:41.32 | harleypig | http://idsgn.dropmark.com/107 |
| 19:41.56 | jxqz | a window into harleypig's daily life |
| 19:42.10 | Volkard | how are you? |
| 19:42.24 | jxqz | harleypig: "you ever found anything on time travel?" |
| 19:42.58 | Volkard | like what jxqz ? |
| 19:43.00 | harleypig | Volkard: I'm fine how are you? Also, who the heck are you? |
| 19:43.03 | jxqz | Volkard: when are you? |
| 19:43.12 | harleypig | jxqz: If I have, I haven't sent it to me yet. |
| 19:43.21 | Volkard | jxqz, 2014 |
| 19:43.30 | jxqz | that is acceptable |
| 19:43.32 | Volkard | harleypig, very well thanks. I dont believe we have passing familiarity |
| 19:43.33 | harleypig | Is volkard a bot? |
| 19:43.48 | Volkard | harleypig, I can pass the turing test :/ |
| 19:44.00 | harleypig | So can I. Doesn't mean anything. |
| 19:44.22 | Volkard | it means you're probably nbot a bot |
| 19:44.41 | harleypig | nbot a bot? |
| 19:44.49 | Volkard | not |
| 19:44.50 | jxqz | could Turing pass his own test? |
| 19:45.11 | harleypig | Of course, but he would be cheating, since he created it. |
| 19:45.11 | jxqz | reminds me of a pinky and the brain episode |
| 19:46.05 | jxqz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vgM0ekqOlg |
| 19:46.20 | harleypig | The one that start with Pinky asking Brain what they're gonna do tonight? |
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| 20:26.48 | jlp_znc | youtah: was this want you were looking for? http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/ |
| 20:42.32 | jxqz | everybody's favorite Markkov text -> youtah |
| 20:42.41 | jxqz | s/text/text generator/ |
| 20:43.30 | RyanE | thanks. |
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| 21:17.11 | youtah | Ego is the antithesis of science. |
| 21:17.26 | youtah | Yes, that was it jlp_znc !!! |
| 21:17.53 | youtah | I also just met jnbek IRL |
| 21:18.00 | youtah | I have also bet goozbach IRL |
| 21:18.10 | tvc123 | what did you bet him? |
| 21:18.12 | Q_Continuum | What'd you bet him? |
| 21:18.13 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 21:18.20 | youtah | large stick |
| 21:18.52 | tvc123 | youtah: your going a roll ... it was just two weeks ago you me in person:) |
| 21:18.53 | youtah | if he wins, he gets the large stick in the parking lot. If I win, he still gets it |
| 21:19.21 | youtah | and I now work with Jayce^ neybar_work and fozzmoo |
| 21:19.33 | harleypig | I'm sorry. |
| 21:19.34 | youtah | and I met RyanE a few months ago |
| 21:19.44 | Q_Continuum | Yeah I can't roll boulders down the hill at you anymore |
| 21:19.53 | youtah | I still need to meet harleypig ... I am still convinced he's a mermaid |
| 21:20.07 | harleypig | I big roly poly mermaid. |
| 21:20.23 | youtah | "Merman dad! Mer.. Man!" |
| 21:20.42 | harleypig | http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000011905/polls_apri.jpg_5420_192471.jpeg_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg |
| 21:21.19 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXsKHjX3Y6g |
| 21:24.49 | harleypig | I have weird association chains ... I typed 'village people merman' and this was one of the first images. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lo_4xAyjsKs/TsGE5UeSn7I/AAAAAAAAAS4/g1Zc7YoFXAY/s320/gayest-christmas-ornaments1.jpg |
| 21:25.38 | harleypig | star trek merman: http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/090/7/5/centaur_by_karracaz-d3cwhax.jpg |
| 21:28.28 | harleypig | In related news, Centaur Trek is a thing? |
| 21:31.15 | *** join/#utah josephscott (~josephsco@192.0.65.252) |
| 21:31.44 | youtah | fozzmoo, RegionSyx dremex_work neybar_work http://plug.dj/utah-1/ <<< |
| 21:32.04 | harleypig | woah ... search for 'fat superheroes' |
| 21:32.13 | jlp_znc | um, no |
| 21:32.16 | neybar_work | actually I switched over to plug.dj/utah/ |
| 21:32.27 | neybar_work | no reason for the same channel twice |
| 21:32.35 | harleypig | jlp_znc: chicken! |
| 21:33.09 | jlp_znc | buk buk bukkah |
| 21:34.38 | harleypig | jlp_znc: I originally parsed that as ... something else. And I wondered what would happen if I typed 'fat bukkake' and decided not to. |
| 21:35.55 | harleypig | neybar_work: I joined plug.dj/utah and no one is there |
| 21:43.50 | *** join/#utah tristanbob_l (~tristanbo@137.190.208.10) |
| 21:44.31 | neybar_work | odd, it looks like you are in the room |
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| 21:57.22 | youtah | I just got called a sick man by harleypig |
| 21:57.29 | youtah | do I get something? |
| 21:57.33 | youtah | like a reward? |
| 21:57.40 | youtah | dremex_work.......... |
| 21:57.49 | youtah | http://plug.dj/utah-1/ |
| 22:00.15 | dremex_work | I have to login? |
| 22:04.13 | *** join/#utah dremex_work (~kerry@71.37.95.86) |
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| 22:42.26 | harleypig | everyone left? :( |
| 22:49.24 | harleypig | Does that mean I can add truly weird crap (like I fink you freaky and I like you alot)? |
| 22:51.15 | jlp_znc | harleypig: good move |
| 22:51.31 | jlp_znc | (re: the fat bukkake) |
| 22:58.11 | harleypig | jlp_znc: i know, but I'm still tempted ... my pursuit of the weird and bizarre can be stupidly dangerous at times. |
| 23:04.59 | jlp_znc | wait until you get home |
| 23:06.52 | jlp_znc | hmmm, apparently it is "beer" o'clock |
| 23:07.10 | jlp_znc | people are rummaging through the fridge in my area (the repository of unique beers) |
| 23:35.51 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPb20fK0R94 |
| 23:36.48 | jlp_znc | also wik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIdpmq-i91E |
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| 23:40.24 | zsnafu | waves |
| 23:41.34 | zsnafu | hm |
| 23:49.37 | joshh | jlp_znc: i think it started a couple hours ago, but it's still that time |
| 23:57.16 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 23:57.56 | jlp_znc | I looked and there was an IBC Root Beer in the fridge, too, so someone was thinking of me :-) |
