| 00:00.15 | goozbach | :) |
| 00:00.21 | goozbach | any of ya'll still in turntable.fm? |
| 00:00.32 | neybar | kind of stopped using that. |
| 00:00.37 | neybar | I think it was all the dubstep |
| 00:01.09 | neybar | and that I was constantly having to think about the music queue rather than just coding :) |
| 00:01.28 | goozbach | just pulled up an awesome station on pandora which I've been thinking ya'll need to listen to |
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| 15:23.10 | keldwud_ | http://provomayor.com/2013/07/22/pencilsaredown/ |
| 15:23.27 | keldwud_ | pashdown, don't read that. it will just upset you :) |
| 15:24.04 | Migs | just some friendly competition |
| 15:24.20 | pashdown | where we can't compete |
| 15:24.22 | keldwud_ | lol, not friendly in some people's eyes when google only paid a dollar ;) |
| 15:24.47 | keldwud_ | I just got an email in my inbox from google about 10 minutes ago with that link |
| 15:25.44 | pashdown | i guess state installed monopolies aren't evil |
| 15:26.13 | Migs | it's not really a monopoly |
| 15:26.24 | Migs | also, it's not state-installed. Just city. |
| 15:26.39 | pashdown | i mean state in the broader sense = government |
| 15:26.54 | pashdown | how is it not a monopoly on residential fiber service? |
| 15:27.09 | Migs | start a competing fiber service then |
| 15:27.35 | pashdown | will the city finance my initial build for $50M? |
| 15:27.38 | Migs | or figure out a way to use it to your advantage. There's always a solution. |
| 15:28.26 | Migs | it's like when the recession hit. Some people lost their jobs. Others saw it as an opportunity and went into the repo biz. |
| 15:29.25 | keldwud_ | I would finance your build, if that helps any :) (also, if I had 50M) |
| 15:29.48 | Migs | same here |
| 15:30.17 | keldwud_ | although with google fiber announcing residency in utah county, that would make it difficult to get investors to drop that kind of cash for Pete |
| 15:30.59 | pashdown | the only opportunity i see here is trying to convince salt lake that a water bill fee is the best way to build an open fiber network |
| 15:31.32 | pashdown | we've danced with provo since the dawn of iprovo and have always been given the short shrift. handing the network over to google was the last straw. |
| 15:31.43 | Migs | that blows |
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| 15:32.28 | pashdown | aye, but at least the utah legislature can't come in and destroy the model that iprovo is foisting on their citizens. |
| 15:38.55 | jima | i'm a little surprised the privacy concerns of google didn't cause any grief in the deal with provo. |
| 15:39.22 | keldwud_ | well, we do have the NSA in our backyard |
| 15:39.25 | jima | i think someone needs to publicly make the joke about google running fiber up to bluffdale... |
| 15:39.29 | jima | jinx! |
| 15:39.35 | keldwud_ | lol |
| 15:40.08 | keldwud_ | I think Utah culture is generally more open to fewer privacy concerns due to how communities interact around here |
| 15:40.26 | keldwud_ | I'm not blaming the church, I just know that church culture helps foster a "we know everything about each other" type environment |
| 15:40.33 | jima | "All Google Fiber traffic will transit to Google's Network Security Annex in Bluffdale." |
| 15:41.00 | keldwud_ | I know when I interact with church members, they ask me some pretty personal questions |
| 15:41.31 | keldwud_ | so I don't think the privacy concerns would be as strong, really. |
| 15:41.44 | keldwud_ | as privacy is very non-existent in many places in utah already. |
| 15:42.11 | fugue88 | Those are some interesting sweeping generalizations. |
| 15:42.32 | fugue88 | And I can say that my experience differs significantly. |
| 15:43.02 | aarobc_wrk | meh, I'd agree with keldwud_ |
| 15:43.37 | keldwud_ | it's true, I am generalizing and using anecdotal evidence |
| 15:43.50 | keldwud_ | and my sample size is quite small compared to the overal set |
| 15:43.54 | keldwud_ | *overall |
| 15:43.56 | fugue88 | Well, throw my anecdotal evidence in too, then. |
| 15:44.31 | aarobc_wrk | and add a leaf of basil. |
| 15:44.32 | fugue88 | When I moved to where I am now, first comment from a neighbor was "don't worry, the trees leaf in and everything's pretty private" |
| 15:44.55 | fugue88 | Nevermind the fence and field between us. |
| 15:45.39 | fadein | I find that some people aren't shy about asking what I consider to be *very* personal questions; I find that's more a function of personality rather than religious persuasion |
| 15:45.40 | fugue88 | Different areas, different people, perhaps? |
| 15:46.16 | fugue88 | Cache area here, lots of farmers, and not at all open with people about things. |
| 15:46.30 | keldwud_ | ahh |
| 15:46.36 | keldwud_ | yeah, I'm talking utah county area |
| 15:46.37 | fadein | I think that some people have no sense of shame |
| 15:47.06 | keldwud_ | so you're right, it may not just be the influence of the religion |
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| 16:26.02 | Migs | http://inhabitat.com/us-military-drops-four-bombs-on-the-great-barrier-reef/ |
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| 16:29.05 | Migs | Finally, we're going to war against Australia |
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| 16:36.40 | keldwud_ | waaaaaaat |
| 16:36.47 | keldwud_ | I thought they were one of the Five? |
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| 17:00.31 | youtah | Quick Q... where do I look up what the various `ssh -o (options)` options do? |
| 17:00.43 | youtah | or how it differs |
| 17:01.04 | youtah | Man shows a list of the options, but it doesn't specify what they actually do, or how they differ, etc |
| 17:01.13 | youtah | example.... ssh -o batchmode=yes |
| 17:01.28 | youtah | How do I know what batchmode is actually doing under the covers? |
| 17:03.28 | youtah | hopes this made sense |
| 17:03.40 | youtah | My Google foo is horrible as well |
| 17:04.43 | goozbach | man ssh_config |
| 17:04.50 | goozbach | or sshd_config |
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| 17:37.55 | sjansen | ~seen redbeard |
| 17:38.03 | infobot | redbeard <~dan@redbeard.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 579d 12h 37m 15s ago, saying: 'hope you can get it sorted out'. |
| 17:39.29 | keldwud_ | that's... almost two years ago |
| 17:39.47 | keldwud_ | ~seen keldwud_ |
| 17:39.48 | infobot | keldwud_ is currently on #utah (3d 8h 50m 47s). Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen keldwud_'. |
| 17:40.12 | keldwud_ | oh n/m. that's his active status. not how long ago he was seen |
| 17:41.21 | goozbach | sjansen: he pingged me about 2 days ago |
| 17:42.54 | sjansen | goozbach: Joseph? Or whoever this Dan guy is? |
| 17:43.03 | sjansen | ~seen jphall |
| 17:43.04 | infobot | i haven't seen 'jphall', sjansen |
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| 17:43.25 | sjansen | Clearly I can't remember the correct handle. |
| 17:46.55 | pashdown | anyone know "moodle"? i've never heard of it. |
| 17:48.16 | sjansen | has heard of it |
| 17:48.43 | goozbach | you're looking for j hall, right? |
| 17:48.51 | goozbach | redbeard, or powerwisk |
| 17:49.20 | goozbach | what I'm saying is that he might not have been on an ibot controled channel |
| 17:49.43 | goozbach | ~seen redbeard2 |
| 17:49.45 | infobot | redbeard2 <~jphall@techhat.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 150d 17h 24m 20s ago, saying: 'probably not brownies this year, but there will be food'. |
| 17:49.59 | sjansen | Ah, redbeard2. That's better. |
| 17:50.09 | goozbach | closer |
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| 17:54.59 | keldwud | I'm trying to figure out if anyone who uses puppet also uses manifests and if so, when and why |
| 17:55.27 | keldwud | I'm confused about their "one-off" state and when or why I would need to use a manifest |
| 17:56.59 | brutes | keldwud: I don't deal with it much, but we use puppet and everything has to be done in manifests... |
| 17:57.09 | keldwud | interesting |
| 17:57.15 | brutes | I believe most places are the same. |
| 17:57.18 | goozbach | keldwud: manifests are what makes puppet tick |
| 17:57.44 | keldwud | but when they get applied, they don't "stick" do they? i.e., they don't get loaded into the "running config"? |
| 17:57.49 | goozbach | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:57.56 | keldwud | learn puppet |
| 17:57.57 | keldwud | :-p |
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| 17:58.26 | goozbach | they need to be matched to a node |
| 17:59.15 | keldwud | well, okay, for example *from* the example in the puppetlabs vm training: |
| 17:59.29 | keldwud | I manually added a resource fromt the command line |
| 18:00.01 | keldwud | with puppet resource <name> <properties> |
| 18:00.10 | keldwud | right? and it got added |
| 18:00.30 | keldwud | in this case it was a user, so now that is in the "running config" meaning, puppet will make sure that user is propagated to the proper nodes, etc |
| 18:00.44 | keldwud | *then* I wrote a manifest to remove that user |
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| 18:00.53 | keldwud | I used puppet apply to run that manifest, user is removed |
| 18:01.36 | keldwud | but where I was getting confused is, from my understanding, manifests are "one-off"s, meaning they only run once and don't act the same as if I ran... |
| 18:01.38 | keldwud | oh wait |
| 18:02.00 | keldwud | okay, is a manifest the same as if I were to run it from the command line? |
| 18:02.15 | keldwud | gah, I'll just keep reading the tutorial |
| 18:02.21 | keldwud | I'll come back if I'm still confused |
| 18:07.22 | goozbach | ahh, yeah the manifest is the written script, to the interpreter's running change |
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| 18:20.41 | youtah | <goozbach> man ssh_config << thank you! |
| 18:20.52 | goozbach | yw |
| 18:22.08 | youtah | when I was googling it, I was being buried by ways how to use it, not what it does. |
| 18:41.20 | levi | Shouldn't you be using saltstack instead of puppet? :P |
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| 18:47.35 | goozbach | or ansible |
| 18:47.53 | goozbach | I've been learning salt,cfengine, and re-learning puppet this week |
| 18:47.56 | goozbach | my brain is fried |
| 18:50.12 | youtah | CARLOS DANGER |
| 18:50.15 | youtah | ROFL! |
| 18:58.34 | sjansen | goozbach: What, not Chef? |
| 18:59.16 | goozbach | ohh forgot that one |
| 18:59.41 | goozbach | actually it's the low man on the totem pole for my customer |
| 18:59.56 | sjansen | If you're trying to collect 'em all, don't forget bcfg2. |
| 19:02.12 | goozbach | *shudder* |
| 19:03.57 | youtah | So. |
| 19:04.22 | youtah | There is a place online that advertises one hour hot tub sessions in a private room for $12 a person |
| 19:05.08 | youtah | Looked up the address on Google Maps street view, totally sketchy, hand painted sign amongst these storage units. |
| 19:05.37 | youtah | Would you pay $12/hr to sit in a hot tub at some hole in the wall for an hour? |
| 19:09.00 | Migs | how private are we talking? |
| 19:10.34 | levi | Maybe the point is that it's not private. :P |
| 19:12.16 | keldwud | there used to be a place near 39th and State in SLC that did that |
| 19:12.23 | keldwud | I used to drive escorts there for appointments |
| 19:12.30 | aarobc | wat |
| 19:12.41 | keldwud | for real |
| 19:12.52 | keldwud | not sure if it is still around, but I bet it is |
| 19:13.07 | aarobc | the stories you must have |
| 19:13.43 | youtah | Migs, private to you... I wouldn't be surprised if there were hidden cams |
| 19:14.04 | youtah | keldwud, LOL!!! That's the place! |
| 19:14.11 | keldwud | was it? |
| 19:14.14 | keldwud | the one near 39th? |
| 19:14.18 | youtah | I think so |
| 19:14.25 | keldwud | aarobc: I have *so* many stories. you don't even know :) |
| 19:14.36 | youtah | I was looking up day spas, and this was on some list |
| 19:14.38 | keldwud | yeah I wish I could remember what it was called |
| 19:14.49 | keldwud | it's on the east side of the street, I remember that much |
| 19:15.02 | keldwud | and I'm within 7 blocks north or south of there |
| 19:15.05 | keldwud | definitely on state |
| 19:15.10 | keldwud | and it is near a corner |
| 19:15.37 | keldwud | 3955 SOUTH STATE ST |
| 19:16.22 | keldwud | there it is |
| 19:16.25 | keldwud | confirmed on google maps |
| 19:16.27 | youtah | I dunno if it was on a corner or not |
| 19:16.42 | keldwud | yeah it was near the corner of 39th. there is a storage place between it and the corner |
| 19:17.00 | keldwud | owait, n/m not on corner |
| 19:17.09 | youtah | I just remember seeing storage units from street view, and immediately went on to the next day spa on the list |
| 19:17.18 | keldwud | but yeah, the hot tub place I was thinking of is 3955 state |
| 19:17.31 | keldwud | it's the building just to the south of the storage units |
| 19:17.53 | keldwud | spa and pool center |
| 19:17.55 | youtah | I just remembered thinking... Seriously? Private rooms with hot tubs by the hour? That sounds sketchy as h### |
| 19:18.17 | keldwud | yeah, I think I took one of my regular escorts there probably 4 or 5 times per week |
| 19:18.42 | keldwud | and 2 - 3 different escorts at least once per week |
| 19:19.17 | aarobc | The obvious conclusion is that keldwud is a pimp. |
| 19:19.23 | keldwud | lolno |
| 19:19.30 | keldwud | that is not the obvious conclusion :-p |
| 19:19.40 | keldwud | I said that I just drove them, I didn't run the business |
| 19:19.47 | keldwud | all girls need drivers |
| 19:19.57 | keldwud | -er, all working girls need drivers |
| 19:20.03 | youtah | silently backs away from the conversation |
| 19:20.07 | keldwud | lolol |
| 19:20.12 | keldwud | I used to drive a cab a while back |
| 19:20.31 | youtah | Ha! we all know cabs don't exist in Utah! |
| 19:20.32 | keldwud | and somehow, some of the girls recruited me to drive for them so they would have a regular driver |
| 19:20.32 | youtah | ;-) |
| 19:20.36 | keldwud | :-p |
| 19:20.45 | youtah | Not like New York or New Jersey |
| 19:20.50 | youtah | Man, they were *EVERYWHERE* |
| 19:22.03 | aarobc | This is in utah? |
| 19:22.25 | youtah | What, the cabs? |
| 19:22.34 | youtah | or the hot tub place? |
| 19:22.46 | aarobc | no, his escort escort adventures |
| 19:22.57 | youtah | lol |
| 19:24.54 | fozzmoo | reads backlog and raises his eyebrows |
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| 19:35.31 | youtah | changes topic |
| 19:35.33 | youtah | So. |
| 19:35.46 | youtah | There's a cat that won't leave my parents front porch |
| 19:35.58 | youtah | on it |
| 19:36.02 | youtah | on it's own.... |
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| 19:38.03 | goozbach | pee on the porch |
| 19:38.32 | youtah | I'd like people to still visit |
| 19:42.01 | goozbach | who posted the lds archetecture blog? |
| 19:42.07 | goozbach | don't you know I have work to do? |
| 19:42.29 | goozbach | ahh it was unum on facebook |
| 19:42.58 | youtah | is that the one about the Provo LDS temple being one of the ugliest religious buildings in the US? |
| 19:43.47 | goozbach | no, it's a series of mormon meetinghouses |
| 19:43.53 | goozbach | https://ldsarchitecture.wordpress.com |
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| 19:48.13 | jlp_znc | tries a different irc client |
| 19:52.39 | unum | they're tearing down the golden toaster |
| 19:53.10 | unum | I only attend services there a couple of times |
| 19:53.26 | goozbach | sad |
| 19:53.36 | unum | that's a pretty major land mark actually |
| 19:53.38 | goozbach | I would love to see older pictures of the Beaver stake |
| 19:53.48 | unum | I'll get lost next time I go up there |
| 20:01.21 | jlp_znc | woo! SPICE support has made it to the pvetest repo... won't be long now before it's released to the production repo. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/SPICE |
| 20:02.06 | youtah | goozbach, the ceiling in our chapel/cultural hall collapsed, and they've closed the stake center |
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| 20:14.57 | levi | jlp_znc: Cool. I kind of thought SPICE had died. |
| 20:15.55 | jlp_znc | I'm excited to evaluate it against the existing solutions (VNC and NX) for our remote design verification engineers. |
| 20:17.19 | youtah | I thought they were all girls |
| 20:18.26 | goozbach | isn't spice in the openstack stuff |
| 20:18.35 | goozbach | or is tnat novnc? or something like unto it |
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| 21:39.31 | manithree | Why do virtualization tools need circuit simulation? |
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| 23:37.52 | jima | youtah: what're you up to for lunch tomorrow? |
| 23:38.17 | keldwud | mmm.. foood |
| 23:38.53 | keldwud | xmission, y u bursting my steam downloads :( |
| 23:39.01 | eightyeight | ? |
| 23:39.05 | eightyeight | what's up? |
| 23:39.19 | keldwud | oh I'm just blaming xmission, it might actually be the network here at the transistor |
| 23:39.34 | eightyeight | i work at xmission. something i can look at for you? |
| 23:40.00 | keldwud | and I was getting impatient with the downloads going from 6KB/s to 60KB/s to 300KB/s back down to 6KB/s |
| 23:40.03 | keldwud | and so on |
| 23:40.24 | eightyeight | are you on utopia or dsl? |
| 23:40.25 | keldwud | I'm thinking it's just our network here |
| 23:40.43 | eightyeight | we're not doing any traffic shaping at all, that i know of |
| 23:40.55 | keldwud | I know :) it's really probably the network here |
| 23:40.57 | eightyeight | in general, at least. if you're abusing your connection, then maybe. :) |
| 23:42.14 | jima | keldwud: yeah, that's the dangerous thing about talking about xmission in here, they talk back. ;-) |
| 23:42.16 | keldwud | I was just being defensively paranoid because my last ISP *was* shaping my bandwidth |
| 23:42.31 | keldwud | I used to just lurk over on xmission's irc server |
| 23:42.38 | keldwud | but I got sick of connecting to multiple IRC servers |
| 23:42.42 | jima | i do that sometimes |
| 23:43.33 | keldwud | seriously, my last ISP took anything that wasn't "standard web traffic" and "shaped it" to 5KB/s, which also happened to be the VPN connection for my employer |
| 23:43.43 | jima | D-: |
| 23:43.45 | keldwud | because it was a port that he hadn't given us permission to use |
| 23:44.05 | keldwud | he also blocked websites, like lifehacker articles that said "how to tell if your ISP is blocking your web traffic" |
| 23:44.08 | keldwud | things like that |
| 23:44.19 | keldwud | I fired him, told him to come get his equipment |
| 23:45.46 | keldwud | so now whenever I get funny bandwidth issues, I just jokingly blame whatever ISP I'm currently on |
| 23:45.53 | keldwud | because I now have trust issues |
| 23:46.06 | keldwud | it was an abusive relationship :( |
| 23:46.13 | keldwud | musters up a teardrop |
| 23:46.14 | eightyeight | heh |