| 00:31.04 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 00:31.04 | ibot | findlay has karma of 1 |
| 00:31.14 | findlay | ~findlay+=1024 |
| 00:31.20 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 00:31.20 | ibot | findlay has karma of 1 |
| 00:31.24 | findlay | whatever |
| 00:31.28 | youtah | ~findlay++ |
| 00:31.33 | youtah | ~karma findlay |
| 00:31.33 | ibot | findlay has karma of 2 |
| 00:31.34 | findlay | heh |
| 00:31.38 | youtah | Woo Hoo! |
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| 00:48.50 | findlay | ibot: give of your oil that youtah may fill his lamp |
| 00:48.50 | ibot | ACTION gives your oil that youtah may fill his lamp to of |
| 00:50.15 | findlay | ibot: ending a sentence with one preposition is sheer temerity, but with two consecutive prepositions is |
| 00:50.15 | ibot | findlay: that's too long |
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| 15:24.48 | youtah | lol findlay, just saw your message from last night from ibot |
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| 17:33.25 | shalkie | Following a comment I made the other day, google has implemented anti-spam tech for XMPP. Federated invites should work again. |
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| 17:39.24 | youtah | Awesome news shalkie |
| 17:39.58 | youtah | I was getting quite a few "SheilaXXX96521BeABabe wants to chat with you" requests |
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| 17:45.25 | Migs | as of today, I am formally defriending everyone on Facebook who simply posts "Yup" along with some image containing some random quote they didn't write, |
| 17:46.06 | harleypig | Migs: what do you think of people who dont say anything at all? |
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| 17:46.42 | Migs | I am indifferent about them |
| 17:47.25 | eightyeight | shalkie: have a link? |
| 17:57.58 | unum | http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/04/the-future-of-bitcoin.html |
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| 18:03.27 | Q_Continuum | Hmmmm |
| 18:05.34 | pashdown | unum, did you buy at $0.05? |
| 18:09.53 | Q_Continuum | I wish I had. |
| 18:09.58 | Q_Continuum | Could've made a few bucks. Oh well |
| 18:11.55 | unum | I don't have any |
| 18:12.08 | Migs | I doubt it |
| 18:12.26 | Migs | Too high-risk at this point |
| 18:12.30 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.56 | eightyeight | i'd be interested in mining |
| 18:16.10 | cwj | mining is no longer cost-effective |
| 18:16.19 | cwj | unless you happen to get electricity and GPUs for free |
| 18:17.19 | eightyeight | at $200 per bitcoin, i bet the bath has swung the other direction |
| 18:17.23 | eightyeight | s/bath/math/ |
| 18:22.17 | harleypig | any one mining bitcoins? |
| 18:22.31 | harleypig | oops |
| 18:22.37 | harleypig | should read back before spouting off |
| 18:26.30 | harleypig | hmmm, but wouldn't a group be able to approach cost-effectiveness ... and if bitcoin does become a viable, wide spread alternative, wouldn't that add to the effectiveness of mining? |
| 18:28.40 | youtah | Are you all ready to become unproductive? |
| 18:28.44 | youtah | http://io9.com/8-abandoned-antarctic-whaling-stations-and-bases-that-a-471066973 |
| 18:29.06 | harleypig | youtah: we're here ... we're already unproductive |
| 18:29.23 | youtah | and check out this street view... https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en-US&ll=-77.553062,166.169007&spn=0.002225,0.015632&sll=-77.552923,166.168368&layer=c&cid=18136866687947903283&panoid=IOpxazFg6mE9O-qaLRC_uQ&cbp=13,82.46,,0,0&gl=US&t=h&z=17&cbll=-77.552947,166.168246 |
| 18:29.30 | youtah | lol harleypig |
| 18:32.17 | harleypig | the reviews are funny |
| 18:32.27 | youtah | lol, like those Harley? |
| 18:32.41 | youtah | * harleypig |
| 18:32.57 | youtah | tab/auto complete didn't work |
| 18:36.42 | unum | http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=219284 |
| 18:36.51 | unum | I wonder how accurate his assesment of bit coin is |
| 18:38.55 | youtah | "All currencies require some means of validation. " < Considering that SEC recognizes it and has already set up ways to tax it |
| 18:39.14 | youtah | (taxing part from the IRS) |
| 18:39.42 | youtah | And if you trade it for USD while on US soil/territory you have to pay capital gains on it |
| 18:39.50 | youtah | doesn't that give it some sort of validation? |
| 18:40.12 | youtah | What "validation" does Gold have? |
| 18:40.34 | youtah | If it's in demand, and there is an associated value to it, can't it be a currency? |
| 18:41.03 | mheath | It's an abstract validation in that context. You know the gold is really gold, basically. |
| 18:41.04 | youtah | Ex: Grain or Eggs during a depression, being bartered with for goods. |
| 18:41.46 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.08 | youtah | and if I have 10 bit coins, and someone wants to trade their car for my bit coins... sure! |
| 18:43.11 | mheath | That article is a bit misleading...T |
| 18:43.12 | unum | I think you need to keep reading |
| 18:43.20 | mheath | They obsess over the fact that bitcoin transactions are logged/public |
| 18:43.25 | unum | ya |
| 18:43.26 | mheath | Which is true |
| 18:43.30 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:43.49 | mheath | But the protection is that it is possible to anonymize that |
| 18:44.04 | unum | how? |
| 18:44.41 | youtah | you can change your identify as often as you'd like |
| 18:44.49 | youtah | AFK |
| 18:45.00 | unum | but if the cops link you to an identy.... |
| 18:45.05 | unum | identiy... |
| 18:45.17 | unum | then they have you on two crimes!!! |
| 18:45.20 | youtah | (in fact, they recommend doing so after every transaction) |
| 18:45.22 | unum | he explains that in the article |
| 18:45.44 | mheath | The only thing 'about' you that is logged is a public key |
| 18:47.41 | mheath | and theres no identity or trust or anything necessary for your key |
| 18:47.44 | mheath | so you can create new ones as needed |
| 18:48.07 | youtah | I dont see how that is any different (being anonymous via public keys) than say mheath exchanging dollar bills physically. |
| 18:48.30 | unum | but when you exchange the bit coin for dollars it's logged correct? |
| 18:48.30 | youtah | okay, AFK for real this time |
| 18:48.59 | unum | so if I give someone a credit card number and they give me bit coins, both of those transactions are logged |
| 18:49.09 | unum | then I give those bitcoins to a known drug dealer |
| 18:49.19 | unum | and that transaction is logged |
| 18:49.56 | unum | if I give him 5 twenties pull out of the atm, all that is logged is that I pulled a $100 out of the atm |
| 18:50.10 | unum | the actual transaction with the drug dealer is not logged |
| 18:50.14 | youtah | Yup, and if you did it on US soil, it was considered an investment, to which you're then liable for paying taxes on that gain. |
| 18:50.27 | jsmith | unum: Or at least that's all you think the ATM logged -- are you sure the ATM didn't log the serial numbers of the bills? |
| 18:50.34 | jsmith | stirs the pot |
| 18:50.39 | youtah | :-) |
| 18:50.43 | unum | I compeletly disagree with this author about the economics os I kind of want it to be wrong |
| 18:50.52 | youtah | What if you gave them gold instead? |
| 18:51.20 | unum | youtah: only if the bit coins increased in value at the time of the purchase |
| 18:51.32 | youtah | correct (that was an assumption) |
| 18:51.45 | youtah | I think the author is grasping to still fully understand exactly what a bitcoin is |
| 18:52.06 | unum | jsmith: than I'm only liable while he still has the twenties, once he spends them on cigs at the gas station, I'm free(accept for the cc camera, but ssshhh) |
| 18:52.24 | unum | youtah: doesn't seem to be the case to me |
| 18:52.32 | mheath | Of course theres weaknesses at the entry/exit point to the bitcoin network. Your cnversion from dollars/credit card/whatever can be known |
| 18:52.34 | mahelious | youtah: ive read the wikipedia article and a couple of articles and i'm still struggling to understand what a bitcoin is. |
| 18:52.43 | mheath | But the same is essentially true of other currencies |
| 18:53.20 | unum | mheath: but cash doesn't have that problem. |
| 18:53.30 | unum | because the middle transactions are not logged |
| 18:53.35 | jsmith | unum: I'm no expert in bitcoins -- never even held one in my hand -- but I'd say the danger is still from doing wrong things, not from the currency used to perpetuate the wrong :-p |
| 18:53.57 | youtah | well said jsmith |
| 18:53.58 | unum | jsmith: you are 100% correct, but it's a major selling point for a lot of supporters of bitcoin |
| 18:54.03 | mheath | unum: That doesn't matter, for the comparison. |
| 18:54.34 | unum | mheath: the comparision is, can my illegal activities be tracked back to me easier if I use cash or bitcoin |
| 18:54.41 | unum | and the answer is it's easier with bitcoin |
| 18:55.00 | unum | in all PRACTICIAL situations(which is the only thing that matters) |
| 18:55.05 | mheath | For one thing, institutions like Silk Road do hundreds of random transactions |
| 18:55.10 | mheath | Just like cash |
| 18:55.24 | mheath | Which ones were legitimate? Which ones weren't? |
| 18:55.44 | mheath | Where did it pass from legitimate interests to illegitimate ones? |
| 18:55.52 | jsmith | (Which is why most of the US currency has traces of drugs on it) |
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| 18:56.56 | mheath | I believe US law is very clear that you are under no obligation to disclose or explain your spending of money. *INCOME* is reportable and taxed. Buying thinks is not inherently so. |
| 18:57.12 | unum | so the police bust a drug dealer, he has a bunch of bit coins |
| 18:57.19 | unum | maybe he spent them what ever |
| 18:57.26 | unum | he has a bunch of bit coin wallets |
| 18:57.31 | jsmith | mheath: I don't think it's that cut and dried. What about use tax? |
| 18:57.35 | unum | the police look and see WHO gave him money |
| 18:57.39 | jsmith | mheath: And sales tax? |
| 18:57.47 | unum | they track it back to the bit coin wallets the money came from |
| 18:57.58 | unum | they see who filled those wallets with their credit cards |
| 18:58.07 | unum | they get a bunch of REALLY easy busts |
| 18:58.16 | mheath | jsmith: Sales tax is technically charged to the business / selling entity. There is just provisions in the law that allow them to increase their shelf price to cover the tax they know they have to pay. |
| 18:58.17 | harleypig | unum: but y ou don't have to fill a wallet from credit cards |
| 18:58.30 | jsmith | mheath: And use tax? |
| 18:58.30 | harleypig | you can fill a wallet from anonymous transactions |
| 18:58.40 | mheath | unum: But things like Silk Road go through hundreds of transactions |
| 18:58.44 | jsmith | mheath: (or, for easier reading, Use Tax) |
| 18:59.11 | mheath | They create random keys/accounts, and pass the money slowly through random sequences of them, between you and the end person getting the money |
| 18:59.14 | mheath | That creates two problems |
| 18:59.18 | mheath | for police wanting to track it |
| 18:59.44 | mheath | One, they have to figure out the identity of hundreds of cryptographic people. Is it a randomly generated one? Is it a person involved in the illegal act? |
| 19:00.00 | mheath | Simply tracking and discoving the identity of those may range from impossible to very difficult |
| 19:00.34 | mheath | Second, how do you make the case legally that your transfer of your bitcoins to one of these intermediate entities consituted a crime or a willful intent to purchase something illicit? |
| 19:00.35 | unum | so silk road is a laudering service |
| 19:00.40 | unum | I guess I should have looked that up |
| 19:00.44 | mheath | Not really |
| 19:00.49 | mheath | I mean, thats just an added thing |
| 19:00.49 | unum | yes it is |
| 19:00.58 | mheath | not its main service |
| 19:01.12 | mheath | its an escrow autction site with laundering built in |
| 19:01.30 | unum | ok sorry it offers a laundering service |
| 19:02.22 | mheath | there's legitimate business on there, too |
| 19:02.27 | mahelious | the tax issue is interesting though. |
| 19:02.39 | mheath | I mean, you can purchase totally legal items, too |
| 19:02.40 | unum | and that it was not mentioned in the article that there are free laundering services availiable(though it is mention that using one constitutes a seperate crime) |
| 19:02.59 | mheath | Well, using one may consitute a crime |
| 19:03.28 | mahelious | if im sitting at a computer in utah, log in to a server in the UK to sell bitcoins and authorize funds to be transferred to an account in the Dominican Republic, who has tax authority? |
| 19:03.29 | mheath | But only as an accessory to a crime |
| 19:04.03 | mheath | IE, you can't build a legal case simply based off the fact that someone's bitcoins entered this anonymizing system, without having seperate knowledge that the money was eventually used for osmething illicit |
| 19:04.42 | mheath | mahelious: Theres already plenty of precedent for that. |
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| 19:05.06 | mheath | If you're legitimate with your use of bitcoins, it wouldn't be different than any pre-existing electronic transaction systems like visa or whatever |
| 19:05.20 | mheath | Plenty of people have offshore accounts, offshore businesses, multinational businesses, etc |
| 19:08.34 | unum | but then why not just use visa if you're legit? |
| 19:08.58 | mheath | Because that's not as anonymous |
| 19:10.09 | youtah | Alright, I'm back. Have we determined that bitcoins are awesome yet? And that anything negative about this is just straight out wrong? |
| 19:10.20 | mheath | Ultimately, its difficult to say how some of this will be handled legally |
| 19:10.26 | mheath | Theres no precedent on a lot of the concepts |
| 19:10.39 | unum | so if I'm making a purchase of a legitimate digital good, then bit coin could be useful |
| 19:10.59 | unum | in allowing me to make that purchase anonymously |
| 19:11.12 | unum | otherwise it sounds like a lot of work for no good reason |
| 19:12.58 | unum | maybe there are anonymous dropbox services I don't know about if there's something physical I wanted |
| 19:13.00 | joshh_ | you can buy valentines gifts for your wife without her knowing where you shopped |
| 19:13.12 | harleypig | unum: So, what you're saying is, if you're not doing anything illegal, why are you trying to hide it? |
| 19:13.57 | unum | joshh_: I have plenty of my own cards for that |
| 19:14.11 | joshh_ | you could also use cash i guess |
| 19:14.22 | joshh_ | but then she will know if you were cheap |
| 19:14.38 | unum | I guess if you want to subscribe to porn |
| 19:15.02 | unum | or buy mp3's |
| 19:15.05 | unum | or ebook |
| 19:15.18 | unum | I said porn because that's something that's legal that some people would want to hide |
| 19:15.50 | unum | but most things I buy are phyiscal so either I need to pick them up(and I can just use cash) |
| 19:16.02 | unum | or they need to be shipped and I'm going to have to put an address on it |
| 19:16.08 | harleypig | what if I just don't want people to know what I'm using my money for? |
| 19:16.21 | unum | then bit coin won't help you much |
| 19:16.37 | harleypig | sure it will |
| 19:16.54 | harleypig | I mean, it won't help if I'm paying my utility bills with it |
| 19:16.56 | unum | not much more than cash |
| 19:17.00 | harleypig | or buying stuff from amazon |
| 19:17.09 | unum | well no more than cash |
| 19:17.13 | unum | and cash is faster |
| 19:17.20 | harleypig | but easier to forge |
| 19:17.42 | unum | have you succesfully forged either one? |
| 19:17.49 | unum | I haven't, and I don't think I could |
| 19:18.14 | unum | to me that's like saying running 5 miles in an hours is either than running 10 |
| 19:18.16 | harleypig | No, but I've had a forged 20 handed to me as change ... and i never got that $20 back |
| 19:18.19 | unum | I'll never be able to do either |
| 19:18.55 | unum | so you feel safer taking bit coins in payment than cash is what you are saying? |
| 19:18.59 | harleypig | no |
| 19:19.05 | unum | then I'm confused |
| 19:19.06 | harleypig | as safe |
| 19:19.10 | unum | ok |
| 19:19.25 | unum | but I find it easier and faster to use cash |
| 19:19.41 | harleypig | your comments about the only reason for using anonymous transactions would be for illegal purposes is what I'm responding to. |
| 19:19.58 | unum | where did I say that |
| 19:20.09 | joshh | he also said embarrassing |
| 19:20.30 | unum | 13:10 < unum> so if I'm making a purchase of a legitimate digital good, then bit coin could be useful |
| 19:20.59 | unum | I specifically mentioned embarrassing products and then non-embarrasing products |
| 19:22.04 | unum | I guess I did say the thing about why not use visa if you're legit, but that's because I thought I had debunked the anonymous bit coin argument |
| 19:22.30 | harleypig | hmmm ... I think I misinterpreted the "tone" of your general conversation. Yeah, that's what triggered it for me. |
| 19:22.42 | shalkie | eightyeight: Not at the moment for the link. I saw it come across the XMPP operators list. |
| 19:22.47 | harleypig | Your reasoning about anonymous being not so anonymous I disagree with. |
| 19:23.10 | harleypig | err ... yeah, your comment about visa is what triggered my response. |
| 19:23.31 | unum | if you run bit coin through a money laundering service it obscures the purchase more than using a credit card, but less than using cash |
| 19:24.50 | harleypig | I don't see how it could be less than cash ... certainly, the same as cash. |
| 19:25.20 | harleypig | Once a coin is anonymized there is no way to reliably connect a purchase to a user. |
| 19:25.33 | harleypig | other than the fact that user had that coin at one time. |
| 19:25.56 | harleypig | and the longer a coin is in use, the more blurred it becomes. |
| 19:27.41 | Migs | http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/04/09/hot-mugshot-photo-prompts-marriage-proposals |
| 19:28.04 | harleypig | I can create an anonymous wallet, fill it with anonymous bit coin transactions, and pay for a transaction anonymously. The coin will be traced to my wallet, but not to me. |
| 19:28.18 | spangborn | Hm |
| 19:28.20 | harleypig | woah ... she's hot. |
| 19:28.26 | harleypig | even in a mug shot |
| 19:28.31 | spangborn | Color Pebble backers can change to black and get their watch faster. |
| 19:28.32 | spangborn | Interesting. |
| 19:29.27 | spangborn | Almost tempted to do so, even though my red would come at the same time. |
| 19:29.30 | unum | but if your wallet is ever linked to you(by physical cofiscation or sloppy usage) then EVERY bit coin you've had is traced to you |
| 19:29.35 | harleypig | yeah, because they're caught up with their black line |
| 19:29.41 | spangborn | Yep. |
| 19:29.49 | harleypig | unum: no, only the ones through that wallet. |
| 19:29.51 | spangborn | They've switched both production lines to red, apparently |
| 19:30.02 | harleypig | spangborn: Mine's grey ... I think mine will be last. *sigh* |
| 19:30.10 | spangborn | White is last. |
| 19:30.35 | spangborn | "We expect the first red Pebble sot be available for shipping in 2-3 weeks. Orange will ship next and grey and white will follow." |
| 19:30.44 | harleypig | But, if I create a new wallet for each transaction and delete the wallet when the transaction is complete, then I don't need to worry about that part. |
| 19:30.50 | spangborn | s/Pebble sot/Pebbles to/ |
| 19:30.58 | harleypig | Also, if I use tor, that's an added layer of anonymity. |
| 19:31.09 | harleypig | spangborn: oh, I missed that. |
| 19:31.34 | harleypig | Still, next to last. |
| 19:31.51 | spangborn | Yeah :( |
| 19:31.57 | Q_Continuum | I have to wait til last for my Ouya |
| 19:32.04 | spangborn | Apparently they had a production issue with the lens for the red ones |
| 19:32.11 | spangborn | That's why production halted for nearly a week |
| 19:34.00 | spangborn | Oh yay, our dev server just went down. |
| 19:34.05 | spangborn | Kernel panic, I'd assume. |
| 19:35.31 | Q_Continuum | \o/ |
| 19:35.43 | spangborn | It's been doing this at least once a month. |
| 19:35.54 | spangborn | Ops hasn't been able to figure out why. |
| 19:36.10 | spangborn | They've replaced everything but the CPU, at this point. |
| 19:37.14 | Q_Continuum | OS misconfigured/busticated? |
| 19:37.25 | joshh | it's always a dev's fault |
| 19:37.35 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 19:37.35 | spangborn | Could be - it's running the exact same OS and hardware as another box, and it hasn't had any of these issues though. |
| 19:37.43 | spangborn | Well, here's the funny thing. |
| 19:38.00 | spangborn | The last time it crashed, I had typo'd a find / -name command that would have returned a ton of results. |
| 19:38.08 | spangborn | As soon as I hit enter, the SSH connection dropped |
| 19:38.21 | spangborn | But it apparently had nothing to do with that. |
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| 19:48.01 | Q_Continuum | Still your fault. |
| 19:48.03 | Q_Continuum | ;-P |
| 19:48.11 | spangborn | Haha, that was my initial thought. |
| 19:48.20 | spangborn | "Oh shit, I just killed the server." |
| 19:48.39 | spangborn | Just for fun, I ran that same command when it came back up. |
| 19:48.42 | Q_Continuum | That moment when you realise you just shutdown -h now the wrong physical server. |
| 19:48.48 | spangborn | Ooof. |
| 19:48.58 | Snoggums | Crap crap crap |
| 19:48.59 | spangborn | I had a moment like that this weekend. |
| 19:49.02 | Snoggums | Forgot my SSH password. :x |
| 19:49.10 | Q_Continuum | Thankfully, ours are all virtual or have iLO controllers :-D |
| 19:49.15 | spangborn | I was rebuilding a DD-WRT router I had plugged in via ethernet. |
| 19:49.24 | spangborn | I was also connected via wifi to my main router. |
| 19:49.30 | spangborn | Guess which router got reset to factory defaults? |
| 19:49.34 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 19:49.54 | spangborn | I now have a backup of the config file put on Bitcasa for that reason. |
| 19:50.26 | spangborn | My wife was sleeping after a graveyard shift, and came down when she heard me shouting profanities. |
| 19:50.32 | spangborn | :( |
| 19:51.14 | spangborn | Getting the wifi settings back where I wanted them was not a trivial task |
| 20:16.46 | youtah | Heh, attractive mug shot |
| 20:17.26 | youtah | and I'll bet she gains a plethora of followers, just because she was drivign drunk |
| 20:17.45 | spangborn | Yeah, I bet MADD will follow her. |
| 20:17.59 | spangborn | With a baseball bat. |
| 20:18.26 | youtah | ROFL... Someone tweeted to her.... ".@meagabeauty my boy @mwalluk wants to know of you will shave his chest with a #doritoslocostacos in front of #epcot during the next eclipse" |
| 20:22.04 | youtah | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/David%20Landsel/10-terribly-overrated-destinations_b_3030348.html heh |
| 20:27.50 | mahelious | fun list, but i swear it was written by fred arma-whatshisface |
| 20:28.14 | youtah | heh |
| 20:28.33 | spangborn | armisen? |
| 20:28.33 | spangborn | Guy from Portlandia? |
| 20:28.34 | youtah | I giggled when it said try Detroit over Chicago |
| 20:28.47 | mahelious | spangborn: yes, thats it |
| 20:29.26 | spangborn | I wonder when that Pebble e-mail will come. |
| 20:29.36 | spangborn | Then I have a decision to make. |
| 20:29.41 | youtah | Did you get your initial email to make? |
| 20:30.11 | youtah | s/ make // |
| 20:30.22 | youtah | oh mabn |
| 20:30.24 | youtah | man |
| 20:30.31 | youtah | I'm having a difficult time typing |
| 20:30.46 | youtah | spangborn, Did you get your initial email? |
| 20:31.59 | youtah | There are two. The first emails subject was "Your Pebble Order - Final Shipping Address Confirmation." The second was "Your Pebble has shipped!" |
| 20:32.26 | youtah | jlp_work's two emails were ? less than a week apart (i think) |
| 20:32.43 | spangborn | No, they're sending out e-mails allowing people to switch from color to black. |
| 20:32.44 | spangborn | You missed the context of the conversation earlier ;p |
| 20:33.02 | youtah | ah, yeah (dang that work) |
| 20:33.19 | spangborn | I was saying I'll just stick with red. |
| 20:33.28 | spangborn | Because they said switching puts you out about two weeks. |
| 20:33.33 | spangborn | And they said red is 2-3 weeks out |
| 20:33.35 | youtah | This was probably mentioned too, but would they refund you the $25 extra bucks if you switched to black? |
| 20:33.38 | spangborn | So no real benefit. |
| 20:34.13 | spangborn | Yeah, the $15 |
| 20:34.18 | youtah | ah |
| 20:34.29 | spangborn | Which wasn't really a huge deal to me anyway. |
| 20:34.45 | youtah | Have you ever worn a square bracelet? Yeah. That's what it's like wearing a pebble |
| 20:36.08 | Q_Continuum | Uh oh. "OFFICIAL LETTER FROM FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION FBI" sent by Robert S Mueller III, at 036166107@walla.com! Oh wait, its about my $65 million ATM card, and how I have to pick a $130, $180 or $260 shipping method? (3 day, 2 day, 24-hour) |
| 20:36.26 | spangborn | No 2 hour? |
| 20:36.32 | Q_Continuum | Nope :-( |
| 20:36.43 | spangborn | I'd have to decline it then |
| 20:37.08 | Q_Continuum | At least he isn't saying he's going to issue a warrant for my arrest, again |
| 20:37.16 | Q_Continuum | He's threatened me with those a few times |
| 20:37.22 | youtah | I hate it when that happens |
| 20:37.26 | Q_Continuum | until I sent some money to some guy in Nigeria |
| 20:37.27 | spangborn | LOL. |
| 20:37.34 | spangborn | I'd get on that. |
| 20:37.39 | spangborn | I'd hate to be in prison in Nigeria |
| 20:38.06 | Q_Continuum | No, it'd be in prison here! It was Robert S Mueller III from the FBI Headquarters giving me final notice! |
| 20:38.11 | youtah | Yeah, last time that happened, no bueno too |
| 20:38.36 | spangborn | Ugh, these are awful. Why is he getting publicity for this? http://www.wired.com/rawfile/2013/04/johnny-tergo-drive-by-portraits/#slideid-19240 |
| 20:38.36 | youtah | So. |
| 20:39.18 | spangborn | Not to mention that I think it's illegal to have a laptop within view of the driver of a vehicle. |
| 20:39.28 | youtah | Because he took a picture of Jesus |
| 20:39.40 | spangborn | The guy doesn't even understand composition. |
| 20:39.44 | youtah | with a proprietary hipster filter on |
| 20:39.49 | spangborn | It's just blindly shot, with the mirror in the frame |
| 20:40.22 | Q_Continuum | spangborn: Srs? (on the laptop thing?) |
| 20:40.27 | spangborn | I believe so. |
| 20:40.27 | youtah | Isn't it illegal to flash people in public? |
| 20:40.31 | Q_Continuum | How about if its closed in the seat next to me? |
| 20:40.43 | spangborn | In Utah at least, you're not allowed to have video type screens visible for the driver. |
| 20:40.53 | spangborn | Which is why car entertainment systems are always behind the driver. |
| 20:41.04 | youtah | I think it's more than just Utah |
| 20:41.06 | Q_Continuum | I hate how I can't use anything but a GPS device for GPS functions |
| 20:41.07 | spangborn | (Minus aftermarket ones, obviously) |
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| 20:41.12 | Q_Continuum | Can't use a laptop or a phone |
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| 20:41.21 | Q_Continuum | Have to use a stupid single-purpose device |
| 20:41.25 | spangborn | Can't use your phone? |
| 20:41.26 | Q_Continuum | (legally) |
| 20:41.29 | spangborn | Well, yeah. |
| 20:41.30 | youtah | which is why they create the By-Pass for the in-dash DVD players |
| 20:41.36 | spangborn | I'm not sure what the specific law is like. |
| 20:41.52 | spangborn | Obviously I don't think you'd be in trouble for using the phone as a navigation system. |
| 20:41.54 | youtah | but you can install the By-Pass legally, for the Passenger to operate |
| 20:42.05 | youtah | but it is illegal for the driver to work the DVD player while driving yes |
| 20:42.08 | Q_Continuum | spangborn: Some guy just got in trouble for in CA |
| 20:42.15 | Q_Continuum | But then again, that's CA where everybody's retarded |
| 20:42.28 | youtah | Heard it causes Cancer |
| 20:42.30 | spangborn | Haha. |
| 20:42.33 | spangborn | Waze ftw. |
| 20:42.47 | spangborn | Top comment on that article nails it. |
| 20:42.51 | undertakingyou | fozzmoo: ping |
| 20:43.00 | spangborn | "That's good. Because the idea of the rig is interesting but the results are horrible." |
| 20:43.26 | spangborn | He's vibrance/saturation/clarity'ing the crap out of those shots |
| 20:43.51 | youtah | Wait, so you mean the saturation slider's default shouldn't be 100%? |
| 20:44.07 | spangborn | Someone should make a LR preset that only does that. |
| 20:44.10 | spangborn | And see how many people buy it |
| 20:44.32 | youtah | I have never bought a preset |
| 20:44.38 | spangborn | Me neither. |
| 20:44.43 | spangborn | I nearly never use them. |
| 20:44.49 | spangborn | Unless they're ones I put together. |
| 20:44.59 | spangborn | And even then they're really only good for a given shoot/environment |
| 20:45.06 | youtah | Yup |
| 20:45.15 | spangborn | I don't want to Jarvie my photos |
| 20:45.29 | youtah | lol, zing! |
| 20:45.34 | youtah | I do like the guy on a personal note |
| 20:45.41 | spangborn | He's alright. ;p |
| 20:45.42 | youtah | he has his quirks, but we all do. |
| 20:45.59 | spangborn | I don't dislike him, but I don't like him either. |
| 20:46.03 | spangborn | Neutral ;p |
| 20:46.21 | youtah | Ooooo, Vinyl Pimp just followed me on Twitter |
| 20:46.25 | spangborn | We need lightning. |
| 20:46.33 | spangborn | I want to test my TLP's lighting option |
| 20:46.39 | youtah | Wonder if he'd buy my vinyl |
| 20:46.43 | spangborn | Especially considering I submitted a fix for it. |
| 20:46.52 | youtah | I want to test my lightning trigger way bad, but no lightning |
| 20:47.00 | youtah | not since I bought it |
| 20:47.16 | youtah | And this last weekend was a huge disappointment |
| 20:47.30 | spangborn | http://github.com/timelapseplus/TimelapsePlus-Firmware |
| 20:49.04 | spangborn | TWSS |
| 20:49.29 | youtah | Have you seen the new PatchMaster lightning triggers? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patchmaster-4in1-Trigger-Lightning-Laser-Sound-Timelapse-Nikon-D1-D2-D3-D100-etc-/151013632842 |
| 20:49.37 | spangborn | Seen, yes. |
| 20:49.43 | spangborn | The TLP was more multi-featured though. |
| 20:50.03 | spangborn | Probably not as good at lightning, but how often do I actually get the opportunity to do that. |
| 20:50.33 | youtah | Mine doesn't do sound. That would be sweet. |
| 20:51.09 | spangborn | Mine doesn't either, but you could do that with the AUX port on the TLP |
| 20:51.49 | youtah | Oh shoot. Someone in my parents ward was just backed into by a car |
| 20:56.53 | spangborn | Hm, iMessage servers must be getting DDOS'd again |
| 21:07.35 | utahcon | smiles at the prospect of iMessage being DDOS'd |
| 21:13.30 | Jayce^ | FBI trying to get MITM again? |
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| 21:14.42 | youtah | I keep getting a call from 000-000-0000 |
| 21:14.50 | youtah | and when I answer, no message |
| 21:14.53 | youtah | no one answers |
| 21:14.56 | spangborn | Just according to your Pebble, or on your phone? |
| 21:14.57 | youtah | it just sits there |
| 21:15.00 | youtah | My phone |
| 21:15.14 | spangborn | OMG, probably a three letter ageny |
| 21:15.15 | youtah | and then they never leave a message |
| 21:15.20 | spangborn | s/ageny/agency/ |
| 21:15.49 | Jayce^ | there was a recent article about the FBI complaining that even with a subpoena, they can't get iMessage data because of the encryption |
| 21:16.00 | Jayce^ | when they go for SMS's |
| 21:16.04 | spangborn | Yeah, I read another that said that wasn't 100% correct. |
| 21:16.19 | spangborn | Lemme see if I can find it. |
| 21:16.22 | Tene | *I* read an article that says the FBI is run by lizard men from the moon. |
| 21:18.19 | youtah | I think it's Satan |
| 21:18.28 | youtah | and by Satan, I mean Martha Stewart |
| 21:18.30 | Tene | lizard satan? |
| 21:19.27 | spangborn | Anecdotal, still looking for the other article I saw. http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1bnnl1/apples_imessage_encryption_trips_up_feds/c98gcj4 |
| 21:20.21 | spangborn | Apple has to be able to decrypt the messages somehow, otherwise it wouldn't sync between devices unless they're somehow sharing an encryption key across devices. |
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| 21:23.19 | findlay | haha |
| 21:23.38 | spangborn | So it may be PTP encrypted, but that key has to be shared somewhere ;p |
| 21:23.43 | findlay | maybe the nsa cracket the key for them |
| 21:25.24 | youtah | 14 people stabbed in Texas at Lone Star College |
| 21:25.54 | Q_Continuum | BY ONE PERSON. |
| 21:26.01 | Jayce^ | assault knives.. the TSA should take care of that |
| 21:26.12 | peno | somehow this is Jayce^'s fault |
| 21:26.12 | Jayce^ | high capacity, of course |
| 21:26.16 | youtah | lol |
| 21:26.32 | Jayce^ | QUICK, SOMEBODY LEGISLATE IT! |
| 21:26.43 | Jayce^ | think of the children! |
| 21:26.50 | youtah | make it illegal to re-use a knife once you've stabbed someone once |
| 21:27.59 | Tene | combat grip |
| 21:28.01 | ekimatuan | I heard some senator say it is legal to hunt humans with 100, even 150 knives. |
| 21:28.10 | Q_Continuum | WE NEED WAITING PERIODS AND ...damn, what's an equiv to standard capacity mags? |
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| 21:28.39 | Tene | Jayce^: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/07/travel/tsa-knives-gallery/index.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=feed -- already in progress |
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| 21:29.07 | Tene | "molded grip" is particularly notable |
| 21:29.08 | Jayce^ | Tene: yeah, we already ridiculed that in here |
| 21:29.26 | Tene | Oh man, I'm not paying enough attention. |
| 21:29.43 | Jayce^ | and about as high quality as the "common-sense" gun legislation |
| 21:31.09 | unum | I remeber the days of taking my swiss army knife on the plane |
| 21:32.25 | unum | no one died |
| 21:32.41 | unum | a lot of little children died at sandy hook please don't make fun of that |
| 21:32.59 | findlay | but think about the small probably of death |
| 21:33.19 | unum | I understand your feelings that the proposed legislation will be ineffetive in stopping mass shootings |
| 21:33.40 | unum | but please be sensitive to the fact that children are dead |
| 21:33.40 | findlay | each object in your life should be evaluated for the amortized probability of it causing death |
| 21:34.21 | unum | I have a hard time laughing at the murdering of anyone especially little children |
| 21:34.22 | findlay | and everything with a probability over 0.001 should be submitted to the police state |
| 21:35.05 | Tene | unum: who here is laughing at that? |
| 21:35.15 | unum | a few weeks ago the guy next to me in Elder's Quorum thought it would be a really funny joke to suggest that as part of our next Elder's Quorum we kidnap and murder the president |
| 21:35.20 | unum | this stuff just isn't funny |
| 21:35.22 | Q_Continuum | If I poke fun at anything its the security theater that thinks passing a law will solve felonious attacks. |
| 21:35.31 | findlay | unum: ugh |
| 21:35.38 | unum | 15:26 <@Jayce^> think of the children! |
| 21:35.47 | Jayce^ | unum: that's how it's being sold |
| 21:35.53 | Jayce^ | so yeah, I'll mock that |
| 21:36.10 | unum | 15:26 <@Jayce^> think of the children! <- seems like a direct mocking of the stamentments about sandy hook |
| 21:36.24 | unum | oops sorry didn't mean to past three times |
| 21:36.25 | unum | 4 times |
| 21:36.28 | Q_Continuum | The folks that scream think of the children too much should be investigated as pedos. They think of the children too much. |
| 21:36.38 | shalkie | I was debating if it was a reference to the simpsons. |
| 21:36.39 | Jayce^ | unum: if you're wearing a tragedy as a badge of honor for selling some snake oil, then yeah, you deserve it |
| 21:36.46 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 21:36.51 | findlay | v |
| 21:36.53 | unum | I deserve what? |
| 21:37.30 | unum | the children and their memory does not deserve to be mocked |
| 21:37.32 | Q_Continuum | The folks who are pushing for snake-oil solutions should be made fun of. |
| 21:37.37 | Jayce^ | mocking security theater |
| 21:37.51 | unum | put don't mock me for thinking about children who should be alive |
| 21:37.59 | Q_Continuum | The response and bleeting, not the incident itself. |
| 21:38.04 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 21:38.23 | Jayce^ | that's like saying if we mock the TSA then we support terrorists |
| 21:38.28 | unum | there's nothing wrong with thinking about what should be done about murder |
| 21:38.33 | joshh | many of the same people who realize gun control doesn't do much to protect children think that zion curtains do protect them |
| 21:38.35 | Q_Continuum | Kids drown in bathtubs. Should be ban things that can pool water more than 1" deep from places where kids are? |
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| 21:38.54 | Tene | unum: There IS something wrong with using that tragedy to push ineffective fearmongering. |
| 21:38.58 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 21:39.02 | Jayce^ | quite a few more die that way than from firearms |
| 21:39.03 | findlay | Jayce^: security theater can be good if you have a top name composer write the music |
| 21:39.04 | unum | Q_Continuum: now you're minimizing the targedy |
| 21:39.10 | Q_Continuum | unum: No, making a comparison. |
| 21:39.12 | unum | Tene: but there's no need to mock the tragedy |
| 21:39.13 | Jayce^ | findlay: nice |
| 21:39.29 | unum | Q_Continuum: slippery slope, it's a bad one |
| 21:39.31 | findlay | personally I've rejected the term 'security' altogether |
| 21:39.32 | Tene | unum: I agree. I disagree that mocking the fearmongers is mocking the tragedy. |
| 21:39.42 | joshh | would you guys be willing to allow booze in grocery stores in exchange for ar15's at walmart? |
| 21:39.46 | Q_Continuum | Just because tragedies happen doesn't mean we should ban the objects involved. |
| 21:39.52 | findlay | I think we should call it something more like what it is: surveillance |
| 21:40.01 | unum | I'm not supporting any ban |
| 21:40.04 | Tene | findlay: I prefer the terms "security-themed" and "security-inspired" |
| 21:40.07 | unum | I'm just saying don't mock dead children |
| 21:40.11 | findlay | Tene: haha |
| 21:40.17 | Tene | "security-like" |
| 21:40.30 | Jayce^ | joshh: walmart already requires full background checks, etc.. so what more do you think you're getting? (this from a guy who does think the state should be out of the liquor business) |
| 21:40.31 | Q_Continuum | unum: No, but many who are attempting to clothe themselves in the tragedy are trying to use it as justification for their own agendas |
| 21:40.37 | unum | and don't joke about murdering people over political differences(I know that wasn't done here, but I'm still bothered by it) |
| 21:40.52 | Tene | unum: Yes, that bothers me too. |
| 21:40.57 | findlay | like there is no such thing as a 'security camera'. All cameras are 'surveillance cameras' |
| 21:41.09 | unum | Q_Continuum: that's fine, don't mock dead children, or those who are saddened by dead children |
| 21:41.38 | Q_Continuum | I'm not. I'm after the folks trying to "profit" from the tragedy by selling their snake-oil "solution" |
| 21:41.53 | joshh | Jayce^: it is true that lots of people in utah don't see any danger in having guns all over the place, but do support zion curtains and restaurant walls |
| 21:42.01 | Tene | Q_Continuum: people who are sad should not be immune to criticism. Their feelings of sadness might not be polite targets for criticism, but their actions because of it certainly can be. |
| 21:42.02 | unum | Q_Continuum: then there's no reason you should be bothered by my comments |
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| 21:42.34 | unum | Tene: then mock the actions, not the concern |
| 21:42.47 | unum | the concern over children being murdered was openly being mocked |
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| 21:43.02 | Q_Continuum | I must've missed part of the conversation. |
| 21:43.16 | findlay | as was the concern for people being murdered by terrorists |
| 21:43.29 | findlay | when it was used to create the PATRIOT state |
| 21:43.37 | Jayce^ | joshh: and most will vote for hatch because he says he supports the constitution :) not saying a lot there |
| 21:43.48 | findlay | haha |
| 21:45.07 | joshh | it's interesting that when hatch spent money getting supposed non-psycos to the caucuses, and ended up winning, it was considered a victory for moderates |
| 21:45.28 | youtah | <findlay> unum: ugh << agreed |
| 21:45.38 | Jayce^ | prepares to attempt to not strange the JR that just wiped out a days work... |
| 21:45.43 | joshh | like woohoo, we just have hatch again, instead of some teabag extremist worse than mike lee |
| 21:45.44 | jlp_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hkIN38qnY |
| 21:46.09 | Jayce^ | mike lee > hatch |
| 21:46.22 | youtah | started a fire, left, and missed a lot of convo |
| 21:46.26 | joshh | mike lee is a joke and nobody in DC respects him or cares about him |
| 21:46.36 | Jayce^ | and yet so many do :) |
| 21:46.39 | joshh | and he will never solve any problems |
| 21:46.42 | findlay | joshh: the same should be said about hatch |
| 21:47.01 | joshh | imo hatch is basically just as bad |
| 21:47.07 | Jayce^ | personally I would say nobody respect feinstein, reid, poelosi because of there extremism |
| 21:47.17 | findlay | their |
| 21:47.22 | Jayce^ | yeah, multitasking |
| 21:47.25 | spangborn | ~findlay++ |
| 21:47.26 | findlay | +1 findlay |
| 21:47.45 | Jayce^ | including trying to not kill aforementioned jr |
| 21:47.49 | joshh | by respect, i mean how many people can or will work with them |
| 21:47.59 | joshh | mike lee will never get anything even close to passed |
| 21:48.02 | joshh | those dems all have |
| 21:48.04 | joshh | as has hatch |
| 21:48.14 | youtah | Remember the term "think of the children" has been around LONG before Sandy Hook >> <unum> 15:26 <@Jayce^> think of the children! <- seems like a direct mocking of the stamentments about sandy hook |
| 21:48.33 | Jayce^ | just like the simpsons |
| 21:48.49 | unum | um, nobody respects reid? |
| 21:48.50 | unum | really? |
| 21:49.04 | unum | you must have a different definition of respect than I |
| 21:49.07 | findlay | youtah: offering the commentary analysis |
| 21:49.12 | youtah | jlp_work that song is horrid |
| 21:49.17 | unum | after all they keep voting for him to be head of the chamber |
| 21:49.22 | joshh | john swallow respects him |
| 21:49.23 | spangborn | brb, rinsing my keyboard of tea |
| 21:49.23 | youtah | findlay thanks! I'll be here all night, try the fish. |
| 21:49.24 | findlay | irc conversatoins: capable of introspection? |
| 21:49.36 | youtah | Don't use large words around me! |
| 21:49.39 | Jayce^ | unum: remember, most of us aren't in your little world :) he's extremely mocked outside of his party |
| 21:49.43 | joshh | but he also respects gayle ruzicka and thinks she's going to be instantly celestial |
| 21:49.54 | spangborn | LOL @ little world. |
| 21:49.56 | unum | Jayce^: all politicians are mocked by extremists in the other party |
| 21:49.57 | spangborn | Oh man, this is great. |
| 21:50.09 | joshh | unum's world is little in utah |
| 21:50.18 | spangborn | Extremists calling other extremists extreme? |
| 21:50.20 | spangborn | NOWAI |
| 21:50.28 | unum | and joshh's point was that Mike Lee will have no power in the senate, not that he's not liked in Utah |
| 21:50.30 | findlay | I'm temperate |
| 21:50.38 | spangborn | I'm just temper. |
| 21:50.41 | joshh | even though in the greater US, it's won 2 presidencies in a row while the clowns in jayce's world have been made fools of |
| 21:50.42 | Jayce^ | unum: so all other are extremists.. couldn't be the self :) |
| 21:51.03 | unum | ? |
| 21:51.05 | findlay | money wins presidents these days |
| 21:51.06 | unum | not sure what I said there |
| 21:51.08 | spangborn | So is it not possible to admit you're an extremist? |
| 21:51.09 | youtah | Why didn't the skeleton cross the road? ... because he didn't have the guts! |
| 21:51.18 | Jayce^ | joshh: seriously? you just made a bush argument :) |
| 21:51.19 | joshh | that's the thing, everyone seems like an extremist now |
| 21:51.25 | joshh | someone name a moderate in congress |
| 21:51.39 | unum | matheson |
| 21:51.46 | Jayce^ | hatch is a moderate, he'll accept any positions money |
| 21:51.47 | spangborn | I guess anytime you disagree with anyone, you're an extremist |
| 21:51.53 | unum | my favorite's out, darn I even forgot his name |
| 21:51.54 | youtah | +1 Jayce^ |
| 21:51.55 | joshh | i thought matheson was an extreme pelosi follower |
| 21:52.04 | unum | he voted against her |
| 21:52.11 | unum | not sure why you would think that |
| 21:52.18 | joshh | i wonder if mia love knows that |
| 21:52.21 | unum | you must be talking to crazy people |
| 21:52.39 | youtah | Why did the ghost go to the bar? For the boos of course! |
| 21:52.56 | youtah | hides behind the couch |
| 21:53.01 | findlay | youtah: eating some laffytaffy? |
| 21:53.06 | findlay | :) |
| 21:53.09 | joshh | unum: that was obvious sarcasm, i thought |
| 21:53.16 | joshh | you know me better than that |
| 21:53.20 | unum | sorry missed it |
| 21:53.35 | youtah | findlay just some oldies I keep up my sleeve.... |
| 21:53.53 | jlp_work | Michael J. Fox has no Elvis in him. |
| 21:54.07 | spangborn | Update 35 for Pebble. |
| 21:54.16 | spangborn | makes a weak attempt to bring up Pebble again |
| 21:54.19 | youtah | Doctors tell us that there are over 10 million overweight people in the US. These, of course, are only round figures... |
| 21:54.39 | jlp_work | my statement in no way implies that elvis was against parkinson's research |
| 21:55.00 | findlay | the leading order perturbative metric for gravitational radiation is transverse and traceless |
| 21:55.36 | findlay | rock > pebble |
| 21:55.40 | spangborn | Still haven't gotten that e-mail yet. |
| 21:55.44 | unum | youtah: I know the saying has been around for a long time, but recently it has come to turn my stomach, some of that has to do with other things I've experienced |
| 21:55.49 | findlay | well ordering principle |
| 21:55.52 | spangborn | But then again, I don't feel like exercising that option |
| 21:56.03 | findlay | only works if you assume the axiom of choice |
| 21:56.56 | JalenJade | "Think of the children" just means "I'm a horrible lazy parent who can't raise my children" |
| 21:57.22 | jlp_work | unum: making the statement "think of the children" in a sarcastic way in no way implies that we *shouldn't* think about the children. it implies that people who cry out "think of the children!" with such vehemence are not actually thinking about the children, they're thinking about their own agendas. |
| 21:57.23 | youtah | unum I think most (almost all) people also have their stomach churn with disgust when it comes to thinking of Sandy Hook, Ethan Stacy, or any other child related tragedy. |
| 21:57.38 | Jayce^ | but remember, that's a primitive notion "Your Children".. we need to think of them as the communities.. |
| 21:57.46 | unum | jlp_work: I don't see it that way |
| 21:57.49 | Jayce^ | h/t MSNBC |
| 21:57.56 | unum | I think about the children that were murdered frequently |
| 21:57.58 | youtah | that was a good video Jayce^ |
| 21:58.05 | jlp_work | unum: just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean that no one else is allowed to see it that way. |
| 21:58.07 | Jayce^ | youtah: no that was quite scary |
| 21:58.08 | unum | in fact listened to someone talk about one of them this weekend |
| 21:58.13 | joshh | when it comes to gun control though, i think people are truly thinking of children, instead of oppressing the population and switching to totalitarianism |
| 21:58.32 | joshh | it's not like kiddie porn where it's really just an excuse to snoop on your email |
| 21:58.43 | JalenJade | I agree with jlp_work at least recently it's been used more in order to push personal agendas |
| 21:59.01 | joshh | guns are like the one argument where think of the children is the genuine motivation |
| 21:59.14 | joshh | but that doesn't make the proposals effective or useful |
| 21:59.14 | jlp_work | thanks, JalenJade. btw, was that you I saw on a bike on the parkway the other evening? |
| 21:59.31 | JalenJade | gun "control" is a laughable term. There are too many guns available to ever "control" them. The biggest issues we have are that the agencies that are supposed to help control guns have their hands tied behind their backs by laws |
| 21:59.31 | Jayce^ | no, given that most of the laws/arguments existed previously, and keep getting used with any opportunity |
| 21:59.41 | JalenJade | jlp_work, yeah that was I. |
| 21:59.42 | youtah | unum especially where I am a father, it really strikes at my core. But we also can't be blind to poor legislation due to a whirlwind of emotion. |
| 21:59.44 | Tene | joshh: If that were the case, I'd expect to hear about gun legislation proposals that actually do something meaningful, rather than "scary stuff like guns you see on tv" |
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| 21:59.54 | jlp_work | thought so. good to see you out and about. |
| 22:00.06 | jlp_work | to me, "gun control" means use both hands. |
| 22:00.16 | unum | youtah: true, but let's talk about why the legislation is ineffective, and not mock people for thinking of children |
| 22:00.27 | joshh | Tene: thta's because people don't know what an assault rifle is |
| 22:00.35 | JalenJade | jlp_work, if the weather cooperates I try to hit the trail every day, but when it goes cold and windy like this I can't breathe out there so I go bowling instead. |
| 22:00.36 | Jayce^ | Tene: did you see the CO legislators argument as to why the mag ban worked? hilariously sad |
| 22:00.38 | jlp_work | can we mock people for pretending to think about children? |
| 22:00.40 | joshh | the gun lobby needs to do more education instead of their own scare tactics |
| 22:00.51 | unum | I actually wrote a letter to the editor today about the military definition of an assault rifle |
| 22:01.12 | youtah | unum can I make fun of the people who use that as their excuse, especially when they don't care? |
| 22:01.12 | unum | everytime I see an article I think, how did they get an assualt rifle? but it's always ar-15 |
| 22:01.13 | Tene | joshh: Exactly. I don't believe that someone who *actually* believed their child was in danger would not educate themselves about the danger so that they could effectively combat it. |
| 22:01.28 | Tene | Jayce^: I did not. |
| 22:01.47 | youtah | JalenJade, we should make 5 guys and fries a semi/weekly meet up. |
| 22:01.58 | JalenJade | Almost no one truly educates themselves about anything political |
| 22:01.59 | unum | youtah: I'm not offended by people mocking ineffective ideas |
| 22:02.05 | Jayce^ | Tene: she's been pushing the current bill for a few years.. stated that it worked because magazine could only be shot once, and then they would just 'run out' solving the gun issue, because people couldn't shoot anymore |
| 22:02.08 | unum | maybe I should turn this around to something else |
| 22:02.15 | unum | I once went to saturdays voyeur |
| 22:02.29 | jlp_work | Tene: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/03/co_democrat_doesnt_understand_high-capacity_magazines_can_be_reloaded.html |
| 22:02.32 | unum | it was awful, they mocked maria osmond for being fat |
| 22:02.44 | unum | and a lot of stupid stuff like that |
| 22:02.48 | JalenJade | youtah, maybe semi weekly |
| 22:02.55 | joshh | Tene: im never surprised when people don't educate themselves |
| 22:03.07 | joshh | actually im very surprised when they do |
| 22:03.24 | jlp_work | joshh: yes, and it's disturbing that we elect these people to public office |
| 22:03.25 | unum | I attended thinking there would be mocking of ideas such as "if you don't teach kids was sex is they won't have it" |
| 22:03.47 | unum | there was some of that, but too many personal attacks unrelated to the dumb ideas |
| 22:04.00 | Tene | joshh: People's actions demonstrate what they care about. When people propose nonsense ineffective uneducated legislation, it shows pretty damn clearly that they care more about tribal politics than they do about the people they claim to be protecting. |
| 22:04.06 | unum | I guess this all part of my wish to see political debate elevated |
| 22:04.20 | unum | Tene: or that they are just ignorant |
| 22:04.31 | Tene | unum: Those aren't exclusive. |
| 22:04.34 | Q_Continuum | I wish when folks want to discuss legislation about $IMPORTANT_ISSUE they bother to become learned on the subject matter first. |
| 22:04.36 | joshh | unum: when that fails, you just teach them about hell |
| 22:04.45 | unum | you can care about something but be ignorant about it |
| 22:04.54 | Q_Continuum | (Example: CO lady thinking magazines are single-use) |
| 22:05.06 | joshh | Tene: forget about people who want all guns banned, etc |
| 22:05.18 | joshh | 99% of people who support an assault weapons ban think that an assault weapon is a machine gun |
| 22:05.25 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 22:05.35 | Jayce^ | Q_Continuum: or those that claim knowledge (eg feinstein) |
| 22:05.37 | Q_Continuum | That is because those that want the ban have intentionally misled everyone |
| 22:05.42 | joshh | obama isn't going to correct them on that, because he doesn't care, he just cares that his base hates guns |
| 22:05.53 | joshh | so the NRA should correct them, instead of just scaring all the gun nuts |
| 22:06.05 | Q_Continuum | The NRA tries to correct them. |
| 22:06.11 | jlp_work | snorts |
| 22:06.16 | joshh | not with any outreach that seems rational and effective |
| 22:06.18 | Q_Continuum | But the other side doesn't listen, or they'd've learned the terminology 15 years ago |
| 22:06.18 | joshh | that i've seen |
| 22:06.19 | JalenJade | I love the magazine argument. Especially since they're probably the easiest part of a gun to make by hand. |
| 22:06.21 | Tene | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/04/one-study-explains-why-its-tough-to-pass-liberal-laws/ is interesting, on a related topic. |
| 22:06.26 | Jayce^ | but if you listen to them, you are just getting misinformation from an extremist view |
| 22:06.28 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:06.28 | unum | I think Josh and I are very much on the same page on this |
| 22:06.37 | Tene | "This difference is so large that nearly half of conservative politicians appear to believe that they represent a district that is more conservative on these issues than is the most conservative district in the entire country" |
| 22:07.03 | Q_Continuum | If you're going to waste everybody's time on a subject at least make sure you're talking about the right stuff. Do a half-hour's worth of research before submitting a bill. |
| 22:07.05 | joshh | same kind of thing with mormons and alcohol |
| 22:07.12 | joshh | hardly any of them understand the difference between a 3.2 beer and a real one |
| 22:07.26 | joshh | but they think the real ones in the grocery store would be bad |
| 22:07.39 | Jayce^ | joshh: remember, the largest lobby for keeping the old 'private club' was actually the existing bars.. |
| 22:08.04 | Q_Continuum | Regardless of subject, educate yourself for 5 minutes before you get involved in something regarding law, enforcement, etc |
| 22:08.17 | Q_Continuum | 5 minutes on wikipedia. In a library. In a dictionary. |
| 22:08.23 | Q_Continuum | Not 5 minutes from $TALKING_HEAD |
| 22:08.27 | Tene | Never going to happen in a democracy |
| 22:08.48 | Q_Continuum | I think its just something folks should strive for. |
| 22:08.56 | unum | what's really crazy is how often elected mormons ignore the church lobbyists |
| 22:08.57 | joshh | Jayce^: actually most of the decent bars and restaurants around SLC were in favor of removing that |
| 22:09.01 | unum | like on that sex education bill |
| 22:09.08 | Q_Continuum | I can't enforce it, I can't demand it. Other than demanding folks I talk to have a clue of what they're talking about, or end the conversation until they have. |
| 22:09.10 | joshh | plenty of them spoke up at the hearings |
| 22:09.29 | joshh | but i do get your point, and there are plenty of interests that want to keep the status quo on other things |
| 22:09.32 | unum | Gayle Ruckzicka runs this state not the church |
| 22:10.18 | unum | and the conservative argument is always slipperly slope |
| 22:10.35 | Tene | Like *anyone* advocating abstinence-only education; If they *actually* cared about the children more than they cared about tribal politics, they'd look at the research about what actually decreases rates of teen pregnancy. |
| 22:10.40 | joshh | unum: they only ignore them on immigration |
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| 22:10.47 | joshh | for the most part |
| 22:10.49 | unum | "if you teach kids that condoms are $effective% in preventing preganancy, then next you will be telling them to try anal sex" |
| 22:10.52 | pdayton | I believe Gayle is not mormon |
| 22:11.01 | unum | joshh: sex ed as well |
| 22:11.22 | joshh | ya, it is surprising that the leg passed it |
| 22:11.28 | unum | though most of them seem to be coming around on housing and employment discrimination agaist homosexuals |
| 22:11.41 | unum | they actually came around on immigration eventually |
| 22:11.42 | joshh | i think there was always an understanding that gary would veto it, but the legislators didn't have to appear pro-sex ed and fight it |
| 22:11.58 | unum | the utah pact that obama model his legislation was heavily influenced by the LDS church |
| 22:12.10 | Tene | unum: I've heard several times that the only metric effected with abstinence only education is a lower average age of first trying anal sex, but I have no citations. |
| 22:12.37 | unum | Tene: you should have been there for the hearing it was a real farce |
| 22:12.49 | youtah | is back. Did I miss anything? |
| 22:13.19 | Tene | youtah: we seem to have gone from guns to anal sex and gays. |
| 22:13.35 | unum | at the end of a hearing they passed a resolution stating any organization who's site links to information that says anal sex is ok, is barred from discussions related to sex ed in utah |
| 22:13.50 | joshh | where did we mention gays? |
| 22:13.59 | unum | so I went home and found that the senate republicans website had a link to wikipedia..... |
| 22:14.02 | Tene | joshh: 15:11 < unum> though most of them seem to be coming around on housing and employment discrimination agaist homosexuals |
| 22:14.04 | unum | I did |
| 22:14.05 | joshh | ah |
| 22:14.13 | Tene | unum: Wow, that's... special. |
| 22:14.27 | youtah | heh, if not, then it is now (part of the convo) |
| 22:14.32 | joshh | most of them were only against that in the beginning due to gayle |
| 22:14.32 | unum | actually I think they referred to as high risk sexual activity |
| 22:14.48 | joshh | it was never that big of a deal outside the legislators who are always partnering with her |
| 22:15.11 | unum | and every democrat on the committee said the wording was too vague and every republican said it made perfect sense |
| 22:15.19 | spangborn | Heh, just saw an XMission ad on Reddit. cc:pashdown |
| 22:15.33 | pashdown | buy buy buy! |
| 22:15.48 | unum | I don't always agree with every Utah Democrat, but all of the really do seem to be smarter |
| 22:15.50 | youtah | Random Fact: 45 million out of the 315 million people in the USA have herpes. |
| 22:15.55 | spangborn | It was the XMission cloud sponsored link. |
| 22:16.09 | spangborn | Which immediately had an irrelevant link to maddox.xmission.com |
| 22:16.17 | unum | I thought it was higher |
| 22:16.18 | youtah | ~XMissionHotSpots++ |
| 22:16.25 | unum | maddox is the best!!! |
| 22:17.03 | youtah | ~karma XMissionHotSpots |
| 22:17.03 | ibot | xmissionhotspots has karma of 1 |
| 22:17.03 | spangborn | I wonder if the digging I've seen happening on 7800 S is fiber. |
| 22:17.08 | spangborn | I would hope so. |
| 22:17.33 | spangborn | LOL @ RedditGifts having a condiment exchange. |
| 22:18.38 | youtah | This is spangborn if he gets Fiber in his diet... errr, neighborhood.... http://i.imgur.com/tDffC58.gif |
| 22:19.13 | spangborn | youtah: Pretty much. |
| 22:19.16 | spangborn | I'd even let you film it. |
| 22:19.29 | youtah | TWSS |
| 22:19.45 | youtah | runs away before getting in trouble by Jayce^ |
| 22:20.42 | spangborn | Too bad Pebble didn't upload the STL file to github without the ZIP enclosure |
| 22:20.50 | spangborn | Github now renders STL files in a built-in viewer. |
| 22:21.02 | spangborn | s/ZIP/RAR/ |
| 22:21.15 | youtah | My kidneys hurt |
| 22:21.26 | spangborn | I finally succeeded in stealing one. |
| 22:21.30 | spangborn | Through your elbow. |
| 22:21.36 | youtah | Nope, that was my elbow |
| 22:21.42 | youtah | lol |
| 22:21.45 | youtah | dang, you said it first |
| 22:23.04 | youtah | oh, and as a random FYI, I freaking love my new case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147053 I'm considering buying a second one, just to I can turn it into a desk |
| 22:27.53 | JalenJade | oh shit I gotta drive out to sandy |
| 22:28.24 | JalenJade | youtah, just reminded me I have to deliver a case |
| 22:39.28 | Tene | http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Adorably-Pretends-They-Too-Will-Offer-1-Gbps-in-Austin-123807 |
| 22:43.49 | youtah | Tene, of course they will, from one library to another |
| 22:43.52 | youtah | and that's it |
| 22:43.56 | Tene | Heh heh heh. |
| 22:43.58 | youtah | (I didn't read the article) |
| 22:44.43 | Tene | "... prepared to build an advanced fiber optic infrastructure in Austin, Texas, capable of delivering speeds up to 1 gigabit per second" |
| 22:44.56 | Tene | Sure, a 1Gb/s backbone is the same thing... |
| 22:45.45 | youtah | What's next? Using it for the internet?! |
| 23:10.07 | fozzmoo | barfs on ATT |
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