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| 00:39.59 | findlay | hello legioneer |
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| 00:41.00 | findlay | goozbach: tell legioneer about something awesome |
| 00:41.27 | findlay | where's sjansen when you need him |
| 00:41.35 | legioneer | hi, this is my first timeusing irc. It's hazing time |
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| 01:14.45 | Q_CONTINUUM | GET THE WHIPS, THE GIMP, 3 STONES, A ROPE, AND THE GOAT |
| 01:15.13 | Q_CONTINUUM | Aww he left. |
| 01:15.20 | Q_CONTINUUM | doesn't watch /join /parts anymore |
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| 01:33.10 | findlay | yeah, sorry |
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| 03:48.47 | jima | Q is sad that he doesn't get to realize his ultimate fantasy. |
| 03:55.30 | Q_CONTINUUM | ... |
| 03:55.36 | Q_CONTINUUM | No. |
| 03:55.57 | Q_CONTINUUM | I just need to pay better attention to timestamps since ignoring /joins & /parts |
| 03:58.25 | jima | s/ to t.*$// |
| 03:58.52 | jima | wins at regexps |
| 03:59.07 | jima | his brain is still parsing it! \o/ |
| 03:59.10 | jima | ;-) |
| 03:59.18 | Q_CONTINUUM | adds another thing to the list of 'shit to learn tomorrow' |
| 03:59.20 | Q_CONTINUUM | sighs |
| 03:59.32 | jima | no, do actual work instead :-D |
| 03:59.40 | Q_CONTINUUM | lol |
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| 04:23.41 | Q_CONTINUUM | Okay okay... |
| 04:23.59 | Q_CONTINUUM | moves it from 'shit to learn tomorrow' to 'shit to learn soon-ish' |
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| 16:27.04 | youtah | Apparently Anon has taken over NK's twitter/flickr/websites/etc |
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| 16:27.21 | youtah | http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/04/04/anonymous-takes-control-of-north-koreas-twitter-and-flickr-accounts-defaces-websites/ |
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| 16:56.43 | youtah | Jayce^ just broke Google |
| 17:25.26 | spangborn | youtah: Your Pebble arrive yet? |
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| 17:39.24 | youtah | spangborn no |
| 17:39.34 | youtah | I am afraid you had them flag my account or something like that |
| 17:39.38 | spangborn | youtah: LOL. |
| 17:39.41 | spangborn | Naw. |
| 17:39.50 | spangborn | I'm losing interest in it, honestly. |
| 17:39.56 | spangborn | I'll probably just sell it when it arrives. |
| 17:40.48 | findlay | there are some junky tablets out there |
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| 17:41.58 | spangborn | findlay: No need to bash Android like that. ;p |
| 17:42.48 | findlay | maybe samsung and apple tablets aren't junky hardware-wise, but their software is defective |
| 17:43.07 | levi | Pretty much all software is defective. It's only a matter of degree. |
| 17:43.17 | findlay | if I can't install gentoo on my phone, then it's not worth owning |
| 17:44.02 | joshh | nexus 10 looks pretty alright imo |
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| 17:48.58 | youtah | MRW someone shares the "Bill Gates will give you $5000 if you share this post" http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0g0rqqP3G1roec53o1_250.gif |
| 17:52.55 | levi | We've got a Nexus 7 for testing at work. The latest OS screwed up some bluetooth stuff, but otherwise it's really nice hardware. |
| 17:53.17 | levi | I like it better than the 7" Galaxy Tab we have. |
| 17:53.58 | joshh | ya |
| 17:54.08 | joshh | there aren't a lot of viable tablets out there, but the nice ones are nice |
| 17:54.49 | levi | I love my 3rd-gen iPad, mainly for its screen. |
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| 17:56.29 | levi | PDFs and web pages render beautifully! |
| 17:56.44 | youtah | I want that Fire HD |
| 17:57.23 | joshh | i'd get a retina ipad or nexus 10 only, but even as nice as they are, i don't like the idea of a tablet being 500 bucks |
| 17:57.39 | youtah | I have a retina display Android phone |
| 17:57.53 | joshh | a nexus 7 is nice for the price, but the size isn't what i want in a tablet |
| 17:57.55 | youtah | all I have to do is hold the phone 3 inches further back than the iPhone and walla! |
| 17:57.55 | levi | I didn't like the idea of spending that much, but I have definitely got that much value out of it. |
| 17:58.08 | joshh | ya |
| 17:58.21 | joshh | im just waiting until there are plenty of decent android tablets on the market instead of 2 |
| 17:58.45 | levi | I use it *all* the time, I have a huge pdf reference library on it and I do all my casual web browsing on it. |
| 18:00.00 | joshh | my wife has an ipad 2 and it's nicer than a laptop for netflix while laying in bed |
| 18:00.05 | joshh | but i hate reading text on it |
| 18:01.17 | levi | I prefer reading novels on a kindle, but most PDFs suck on kindles. |
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| 18:01.52 | levi | And by 'kindle' I mean a standard-sized eInk tablet. |
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| 18:03.26 | joshh | i can handle technical books on mobile devices, but im totally a paper guy when it comes to novels |
| 18:03.30 | ldav15_ | The "Kindle Keyboard". They are quite nice. Their best feature... is the lack of features. |
| 18:04.14 | levi | My kindle is from just before they came out with non-keyboard models. |
| 18:04.36 | levi | I want to get one with the built-in lighting, though. |
| 18:06.46 | nesyt | I have one, and like it |
| 18:12.59 | Q_Continuum | I would like a tablet device with two screens. normal on one face, and e-ink on the opposite side. Flipping cover protects the side you're not using (maybe it hinges out to cover both) - then I don't need a tablet AND ebook reader as discrete devices |
| 18:13.07 | Q_Continuum | and could say, take notes on the e-ink screen |
| 18:13.20 | Q_Continuum | instead of the battery-hungry color LCD |
| 18:14.08 | nesyt | the paperwhite kindle is "touch" but i wouldn't take notes on it |
| 18:15.57 | findlay | oh yeah, well my tablet has stereo sound |
| 18:21.22 | nesyt | my tablet has a full keyboard and trackpad, and the keyboard folds up to protect the screen, and the screen is not touch sensitive at all. |
| 18:22.13 | Q_Continuum | Well its the two screens or they figure out how to make them part of the same display and 'flip' them in some fashion. |
| 18:23.07 | levi | The Galaxy Tab 10s are supposed to have a wacom-style digitizing touchscreen that works really well for drawing/note-taking with a stylus. |
| 18:23.16 | spangborn | The Surface Pro has that. |
| 18:23.23 | spangborn | I played with it yesterday, pretty nifty. |
| 18:23.35 | spangborn | Even used the proximity stuff like Wacom does. |
| 18:23.50 | spangborn | You can cursor by holding the stylus close to the screen without clicking. |
| 18:23.51 | levi | Is the Pro one of their ARM devices or x86? |
| 18:23.57 | spangborn | Pro is X86 |
| 18:24.03 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 18:24.06 | spangborn | I'm not sure if the RT has the wacom-type support |
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| 19:49.08 | harleypig | I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult. -Rita Rudner |
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| 20:07.22 | youtah | +1 harleypig |
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| 20:28.09 | youtah | Suddenly I feel so small http://i.imgur.com/WdV2q.gif |
| 20:31.40 | cwj | i feel like that is a made up definition |
| 20:31.50 | cwj | even though i often enjoy the concept |
| 20:33.16 | cwj | http://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/23536922667/sonder vs https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fr/sonder |
| 20:35.20 | Q_Continuum | (Before) Facebook: "No, we're not developing a Facebook Smartphone." (Now) Facebook: "We're releasing a home-screen/app-update that centers your Android experience around Facebook and its apps, and will come preinstalled on some phones." |
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| 20:44.31 | youtah | cwj I actually didn't even realize that's what they were trying to do. I was distracted by the pretty lights below |
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| 21:15.55 | fadein | so, with Facebook Home, my Android phone becomes a value-stream for TWO privacy-hating companies instead of one? SIGN ME UP!!!1 |
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| 21:18.45 | Tene | I disagree that Google is privacy-hating. Since I've been here, I've seen a huge amount of concern shown to user privacy. |
| 21:19.47 | fadein | but you gotta admit that the premise behind Glass is antagonistic to privacy |
| 21:20.04 | Tene | No, not at all. |
| 21:20.36 | Tene | If I want to record you without your consent, there are much easier, sneakier, and cheaper ways to do it for years. |
| 21:22.31 | Tene | Not sure what you're talking about here at all, fadein. |
| 21:22.53 | fadein | so Glass will go to sleep when you, for example, walk into a public restroom? |
| 21:23.22 | fadein | if I saw you walk into the restroom, holding up your smartphone as though you were recording the trip, i'd be creeped out |
| 21:23.31 | fadein | and most folks would agree that the recorder was in the wrong |
| 21:23.50 | Tene | If I wanted to record you without your consent in a public restroo, I'd just use a pinhole camera of the type that's been available for years. |
| 21:24.02 | fadein | sure, that's possible and it happens |
| 21:24.10 | fadein | but people also accept that as wrong |
| 21:24.39 | fadein | what happens when you do the same thing with Glass? is it cool because it's not sneaky? |
| 21:25.04 | Tene | I must be missing something here. What's different with Glass? |
| 21:25.23 | fadein | with the pinhole cam, at least the perptrator understands that he/she is violating peoples expectations of privacy |
| 21:25.30 | fadein | Glass assumes that privacy does not exist |
| 21:25.34 | fadein | that's my problem |
| 21:25.49 | Q_Continuum | Sign you're gonna get scurred, when digging through scripts: '# need to permanently fix this someday and remove this from here...' |
| 21:26.00 | Tene | I don't see how that's the case at all. |
| 21:26.16 | Tene | How does glass imply that assumption? |
| 21:26.29 | fadein | does it have a little red light on it that indicates that it is recording? |
| 21:26.38 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 21:26.45 | fadein | that's good |
| 21:27.04 | Q_Continuum | Until 5 minutes after they hit public availability and that gets hacked out. |
| 21:27.11 | Q_Continuum | Software or hardware, that shit's getting disabled. |
| 21:27.25 | Q_Continuum | Someone'll do it. |
| 21:27.31 | Q_Continuum | Now how do you know? |
| 21:27.39 | fadein | nevermind, then. my fears are unfounded. when I see the red lights I can just turn around and walk the other way |
| 21:28.12 | fadein | after all, my expectations of privacy are my own luddite problem |
| 21:28.17 | fadein | they don't belong in the brave new world |
| 21:28.31 | Q_Continuum | Fuck the brave new world. |
| 21:28.33 | Q_Continuum | I want my privacy |
| 21:28.42 | fadein | Q_Continuum: can't |
| 21:28.46 | fadein | it's not monetizeable |
| 21:28.55 | Tene | Q_Continuum: people who want to privately record without consent have been able to do it for years; how is glass any different? If I were the kind of person that would do that, I'd just buy a pinhole camera instead of buying and hacking glass. Cheaper and less obvious. |
| 21:29.25 | Q_Continuum | Because now for $500 or $1000 it'll be automated |
| 21:29.38 | Q_Continuum | and Google'll be tracking faces and locations before long |
| 21:30.42 | fadein | are Glass's recordings for private consumption? |
| 21:30.51 | Q_Continuum | I've no idea. |
| 21:30.52 | fadein | is anything that google touches for private consumption? |
| 21:31.02 | Tene | They're only public if you make them public. |
| 21:31.19 | fadein | do the videos stay on the headset until you publish them? |
| 21:31.34 | fadein | sitting on a server somewhere != private |
| 21:31.45 | fadein | unless it's a server I physically control |
| 21:31.52 | Tene | Q_Continuum: what kind of automation are you thinking of there that's worth $1k more than http://www.amazon.com/Original-Sphere-Pen-Camera-Silver-trimmed/dp/B004I5OWDE ? |
| 21:31.58 | Q_Continuum | I'll be interested in a Linux-based variant built/programmed by a company whose goal ISN'T profiling us for marketing data. |
| 21:32.10 | fadein | are the images/sounds processed in any way in the "cloud"? |
| 21:32.23 | Q_Continuum | The screen + overlay + camera + network stuff all in one. |
| 21:32.32 | fadein | My android phone has a voice-search feature that only works when I have WiFi |
| 21:32.33 | Q_Continuum | But I expect some of that to be off-glasses |
| 21:32.45 | fadein | that wouldn't be a problem if I wanted to do a web search, |
| 21:32.50 | fadein | as a web search without WiFi is mmot |
| 21:32.52 | fadein | moot |
| 21:32.53 | Tene | Some of it's probably remote. I don't know how much or which parts. |
| 21:33.11 | smcquay | Q_Continuum: how intrested are you? do you need some pull requests? |
| 21:33.19 | fadein | but when I want to find a location on the GPS map THAT IS SAVED ON MY SD CARD why can't I do that without WiFi? |
| 21:33.19 | Q_Continuum | Well just chips and batteries take space, so I'm thinking a pocket or belt-mounted 'box' that wired or wirelessly runs to the glasses. |
| 21:34.05 | Q_Continuum | smcquay: No, but when the $FED is leaning on everyone for backdoors and you're uploading serious video, some backend uploading faces and a little GeoLocation data and a timestamp is nothin' |
| 21:34.32 | Q_Continuum | I just see the long-tail of Big Brother abusing it. |
| 21:35.06 | Q_Continuum | Very cool functionality, but it'd be so easy for it to be mandated, or secretly requested and added. |
| 21:35.13 | fadein | Tene: if you, as a Google employee can't tell me which or how much of Glass-captured data is processed on the very device, what chance does a n00b stand of knowing what his cool new Glass is doing? |
| 21:35.17 | Q_Continuum | Or even just on a per-users-device status |
| 21:35.17 | fadein | does he care? |
| 21:35.38 | Q_Continuum | smcquay: I don't know enough to read the code, much less have the time to do it. |
| 21:35.56 | Tene | fadein: I can't tell you because I haven't done any research into it at all. |
| 21:35.58 | fadein | Centuries-old expectations of privacy are overturned in the name of "it's fun" |
| 21:36.06 | smcquay | Q_Continuum: I agree; I'm startled that the community hasn't cobbled together something that's simple to use/install/hack on to replace traditional, centralized social media. |
| 21:36.28 | Q_Continuum | Google does great things - I grant them that - but everyone forgets where they make their money. They've (traditionally) been one of the better keepers of 'privacy' but sooner or later $$$ will (if it hasn't already) take over. |
| 21:37.06 | Q_Continuum | smcquay: There's about 4, the main one IIRC looks similar to Google+ and was in dev before that came out. (The one that was on kickstarter, umm...Diaspora) |
| 21:37.34 | Q_Continuum | There were a few rumblings I ran across of Google leapfrogging them and (maybe) stealing some ideas/layout off that and beating them to the punch |
| 21:37.48 | Q_Continuum | 4-man dev team vs Google, see which one releases first ;-P |
| 21:38.20 | smcquay | Q_Continuum: heh, I forgot about them, and apparently I have an account there; who knew! |
| 21:38.22 | Q_Continuum | 4 fresh college grads with no mind for security. |
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| 21:39.35 | Q_Continuum | Then one of them offed himself >.< and now they opened up the code and handed it to the community so they could move onto "better things" - another image sharing site :-/ |
| 21:39.38 | Q_Continuum | Just what we need! |
| 21:39.52 | Q_Continuum | grumbles |
| 21:39.55 | Tene | fadein: My main concerns about a panopticon are when it's controlled by a government or other single entity. I'd be very unhappy with government-run private cameras everywhere, but I'm quite happy with the trend towards individual and personal video recording in public. |
| 21:39.59 | Q_Continuum | Why can't Stack B reach Stack A's repo? |
| 21:40.20 | Q_Continuum | >.< It broke the kickstart. |
| 21:40.28 | Q_Continuum | Explains why no puppet. |
| 21:41.10 | fadein | I disagree that recording onto a cloud-backed device is "personal" |
| 21:41.22 | fadein | I agree that government-run surveilance is balls |
| 21:41.54 | fadein | and I appreciate that your employer releases reports about government requests for data |
| 21:42.52 | fadein | but I find that Google's business model is fundamentally at odds with what I consider to be "user privacy" |
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| 21:43.18 | Tene | fadein: I wasn't referring only to Glass there, but the broader picture. Phone videos and such. |
| 21:43.45 | Q_Continuum | I agree with fadein |
| 21:44.08 | Q_Continuum | Now, if I could buy/license/install my own copy of some of those services, I'd be all over that. |
| 21:44.31 | Q_Continuum | Or like business/govt services, pay for it and be exempt from the profiling. |
| 21:44.37 | Q_Continuum | Give me the option. |
| 21:44.50 | Tene | I think I'd have to hear a more-specific explanation of what you mean by "user privacy" there to have an opinion on it. |
| 21:45.24 | Q_Continuum | Not building a profile of everything we look at, like, and talk about. |
| 21:45.34 | fadein | can I request to have my profile deleted? |
| 21:45.42 | fadein | is there an email address for that? |
| 21:45.47 | Q_Continuum | I'd rather pay for things up front than wonder how sites fund themselves. (Or, be more upfront about how they're funded) |
| 21:48.04 | Q_Continuum | Instead of just "here, free!" and buried in the fine-print you have to figure out how they're funding all of this. |
| 21:48.48 | Q_Continuum | Maybe I would find it a worthwhile service to pay up-front for, then (optionally) opt-in to extras - like relevant ads next to my email. |
| 21:48.54 | fadein | I dislike how most sites/services default settings are as public as possible, and that you must take the initiative to opt-out |
| 21:49.00 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 21:49.17 | fadein | (disclaimer: my primary email account is @gmail.com) |
| 21:49.29 | Q_Continuum | Those growing up today don't understand the concept of privacy - at least in any fashion those of us in previous generations view it. |
| 21:49.35 | Q_Continuum | And 'Free' needs to be explained better. |
| 21:49.45 | fadein | Q_Continuum: ++ |
| 21:49.55 | Q_Continuum | Too many folks don't question it. If you're not paying $$$ for it, you're paying in some other medium of value. |
| 21:50.01 | fadein | if you aren't paying for it, you are the product, not the customer |
| 21:50.04 | Q_Continuum | OR you're not the customer - but the product. |
| 21:50.13 | Tene | fadein: it's right there on the main page when you click 'account' on a google page: https://www.google.com/settings/account?ref=home |
| 21:50.17 | cwj | actually codifying the concept of privacy seems pretty difficult to me |
| 21:50.45 | Tene | 'close account and delete all services and information associated with it' |
| 21:51.00 | cwj | panopticism is only one aspect |
| 21:51.02 | fadein | Tene: thanks |
| 21:51.43 | Q_Continuum | I also heavily use gmail, but now that I have an internet connection at home that can actually host stuffs, working towards migrating to more self-hosted things in the long-term. |
| 21:52.19 | Q_Continuum | Also the push on Google-branded devices for Cloud-Only-Storage is more than annoying. |
| 21:53.46 | Tene | disclaimer: I personally don't care about my own privacy at all, and I host my own mail. |
| 21:54.10 | joshh | i used to host all my own stuff and think it was fun, but these days im too lazy and busy |
| 21:54.15 | joshh | plus geeks don't even appreciate it anymore |
| 21:55.36 | joshh | lazy isn't the right word, i guess i don't want to spend my little free time messing around with computers for my own stuff, when hosting is so easy, cheap, reliable, etc |
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| 22:28.47 | youtah | That one is for harleypig |
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| 23:44.52 | mheath | Has anyone else had problems with Comcast/XFinity's new 'security/bot monitoring' thing? |
| 23:45.36 | fadein | mheath: I had it tell me that I had a malware a week or so ago |
| 23:46.03 | mheath | My dad has xfinity, and keeps getting this. Initially it was a "we suggest you take action now" warning he could close |
| 23:46.15 | fadein | https://amibotted.comcast.net/ |
| 23:46.19 | mheath | Now it's a "Fix this now!" thing you can't get rid of |
| 23:46.41 | mheath | fadein: wow, thank you |
| 23:46.44 | mheath | Exactly what I needed |
| 23:46.55 | fadein | I think they just want you to sign up for McAfee or Norton or whatever they're pushing this quarter |
| 23:47.05 | mheath | My dad (though he's not super technical) spent like 3 hours on the phone with Comcast, and was never given that |
| 23:47.08 | mheath | Yeah |
| 23:47.34 | mheath | That was what they kept telling him. He woud tell them he had ran a thorough virus scan, with a competent virus scan program from a major company.. |
| 23:47.51 | mheath | They would respond and tell him that must just mean that program sucks |
| 23:48.02 | mheath | and the only support they can provide is to charge him for their program, if he wants his internet connection back |
| 23:48.15 | fadein | wait, what? |
| 23:48.24 | fadein | they disconnected him? |
| 23:48.30 | mheath | Kind of. |
| 23:48.45 | mheath | It hijacks non-secure HTTP connections, and covers up the webpage with a message from Comcast. |
| 23:48.54 | mheath | Initially it had an "X" you could click on to close it |
| 23:49.23 | mheath | Now, it basically says that sine he hasn't fixed the problem after previous warnings, he can't close it until the problem is resolved |
| 23:49.48 | mheath | He's not 'disconnected'....It doesn't effect HTTPs, obviously, and theres other ways around it. It even seems to show up and effect different computers/OSs/Operating Systems differently |
| 23:51.03 | fadein | that would be a solution to botnets ... if it was more helpful in assisting you to fix the problem |
| 23:51.19 | mheath | Yeah, no kidding |
| 23:51.41 | mheath | That website isn't much more helpful, either. It gives a name of the 'bot'... |
| 23:51.48 | mheath | But its a name that has 0 results on a google search |
| 23:51.57 | fadein | that's what I got |
| 23:52.02 | mheath | And it has no other details |
| 23:52.02 | fadein | which one was it... |
| 23:52.20 | mheath | "Adware_CriminalFinancial_SProtector" |
| 23:52.21 | fadein | umbraloader_generic |
| 23:52.50 | mheath | I would have thought if this was a legitimate, accepted security threat, someone on the entire internet other than Comcast would know about it. |
| 23:53.15 | fadein | I was hoping for a malware encyclopedia - I remember a virus scanner from the 90's that had a description for each virus it recognized |
| 23:53.28 | fadein | maybe that's too much work for people to keep up with |
| 23:53.34 | mheath | Theres entire sites that are dedicated to that now |
| 23:53.43 | fadein | but I wanted to know what sorts of things I could to do look for it other than "install a virus scanner" |
| 23:53.59 | mheath | Several of the big Virus scanner and Virus-interested companies dedicate huge resources to publishing thorough details about all the known threats in the wild |
| 23:54.01 | fadein | there may be entire sites, but none that I could find that could tell me much about what umbraloader does |
| 23:54.23 | fadein | from what I gathered, it is some scriptkiddie tool that you use to build a malware package |
| 23:54.35 | mheath | Well, thats my point. If the name Comcast gives literally doesn't show up ANYWHERE on the internet.... |
| 23:55.02 | mheath | Chances are it's either a wrong/made up/etc name, or its status as a 'virus' is not accepted by the entire industry |
