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00:19.12Krewfixhellewa
00:19.44KrewfixHows everyone doin on this beautifull day? xD
00:21.10findlay~onjoin Krewfix
00:21.14findlayhm
00:21.45findlayextemporaneous 'l's are stripped in transit over the pond
00:22.24findlaydoes latice QFT for gravity sound interesting?
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00:41.50Q_ContinuumI no get Ouya email :-(
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00:58.21Q_ContinuumFuck IPv6 and v8.  Let's go straight for 11!
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01:33.19Krewfixyo!
01:33.38Krewfixyo again, sorry i keep disconnecting sometimes for some weird reason :S
01:34.31Krewfixhaving my router checked on monday :S its a real pain in the bollux
01:34.48KrewfixEveryone alright?
01:35.23fugue88Krewfix: Looked like a protocol-level disconnect from this end, not a network problem.  Killed your client?  Client disconnects automatically after some inactivity?  Probably not your router.
01:36.22Krewfixoh no its not just mIRC :) thank you for trying to help tho
01:36.50KrewfixBeen on the phone with a helpdesk trying to sort this out so :)
01:37.05fugue88Oh, fun times for you then.
01:37.09fugue88;)
01:38.36Krewfixlol, ye the nasty bit is, here in norway they are rating me with quite the money for the phonecall so ill have to have a discussion about that aswell
01:39.15Krewfixhow was the concert of findlay?
01:39.28Krewfixbeen meaning to ask about that xD
01:43.16KrewfixI guess most of the people are busy or away? xD enjoying easter and all that
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02:24.29jimaQ_Continuum: you mean IPvB?
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03:34.55shalkieScrew it, lets just go ti IPv0xF
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03:47.48harleypigJohn Smallberries says Hi!
03:48.05jimasays hi back, despite having no clue who that is.
03:49.06harleypigYou don't know who John ... what about John Whorfin? or John Littlejohn or John Ya Ya ?
03:49.33jimano, i only know taco john and papa john
03:49.49harleypigThey are Lectroids
03:50.05harleypigFrom the Eighth Dimension.
03:50.10harleypigHere to take over the world!
03:50.11jimashrugs
03:50.35harleypigIf it weren't for Buckaroo Bonzai they would have succeeded!
03:53.05harleypigWhat is that watermelon doing there?
03:53.18jimarule 34?
03:55.01harleypig... oooo ... Rule 34 for Buckaroo Bonzai ... Penny Pretty ...
03:56.06jimai meant the watermelon.
03:56.14harleypigYeah, I ran with it.
03:56.45jimawith the watermelon? don't drop it.
03:57.28harleypigwon't matter ... it's unbreakable
03:57.41harleypigwell, probably don't want to drop it on my foot.
03:58.09harleypigoops ... that's Penny Priddy
04:02.25harleypigwow ... yoyodyne.com is still up
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14:56.35findlayhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/03/27/google-maps-beefs-up-its-live-transit-information-with-updates-for-nyc-dc-and-salt-lake-city/
15:02.22fozzmooThat's dumb. Catering to the insignificant number of mass transit users in SLC.
15:02.48fozzmooNYC and DC, I can understand.
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15:05.24findlayI think it means that UTA is begging google to do its web work.  Have you ever tried to use their website?
15:05.52findlaysupplying as much cooperation with google as possible
15:06.09fozzmooMaybe UTA could afford to do its own web work, if it wasn't spending so much money on advertising.
15:06.28findlaythe google wave continues to disrupt established industries of all types
15:06.37findlayfozzmoo: haha
15:06.57findlayit's all part of its own narcicissm
15:07.04fozzmooI love the ad I hear on KSL lately featuring the head of Rocky Mountain Power touting the airport TRAX line.
15:07.21fozzmoo"Because the trains are electric, there are no emissions."
15:07.29findlaysure
15:07.59fozzmoo(Except at that power plant on North Temple the trains will be going by every five minutes.)
15:09.14jessie_I love the electric = no emissions claims.
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15:23.24goozbachsaw a statistic that the new electric cars have close to triple the carbon footprint as the petrol powered ones
15:23.28goozbachdue to the manufacturing
15:24.48fozzmooYeah, I believe it. I remember some article a few years back that compared the carbon footprint of a Prius to a Hummer and the Hummer was smaller by quite a ways.
15:25.33Q_ContinuumYeah, battery production isn't exactly "clean"
15:25.53Q_Continuumfozzmoo: I recall that article; the 'info' that went with it was flawed IIRC
15:26.04Q_Continuumleft out stuff on the hummer side that was counted on the prius, etc
15:26.16Q_ContinuumBut it is worth comparing
15:26.26Q_ContinuumNow only if they could report honest reliable metrics...
15:26.33Q_ContinuumHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
15:26.36Q_ContinuumWho am I kidding?
15:26.37fozzmoo:)
15:26.53Q_ContinuumEveryone involved won't be honest.
15:26.56Q_ContinuumNo one would.
15:28.30fungusElectricity can be generated though carbon free methods, like the Rocky Mountain Power's Blue Sky program
15:28.53fozzmooYep. For more expense, of course.
15:29.06fungusTherefore, before measuring a carbon footprint for a Prius you would have to see where they get their power.
15:29.12Q_ContinuumI would like them to simply show how much of input X is required to make Y.
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15:29.30Q_Continuum"We need 1600KW of power, 1 ton of steel" etc
15:29.49Q_ContinuumDon't tell me how much that power polluted based on your assumptions abuot the source
15:29.59Q_ContinuumTell me how much it used, and I'll figure out what source that was
15:30.35Q_ContinuumOr "We need 1600KW of power, currently provided by a 90% efficient coal plant."  Or some other standardized measurement.
15:30.54Q_ContinuumI'm after the most efficient overall; not just on the fuel-input side
15:31.10Q_ContinuumFull-lifecycle.
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15:47.16youtahfindlay, perhaps it is because SLC is an easier target to tackle and help work out the kinks?
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15:48.12youtahlol fozzmoo "electric, there are no emissions"
15:48.32Q_ContinuumI wonder if the ISIS test market is pushing that.  Any way Google can keep relevant.
15:48.57Q_ContinuumCan't risk people falling outside the Google Bubble too much
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15:49.44youtahQ_Continuum, guess what.... my hardware is out for delivery!
15:49.55jessieI just wish that the carriers wouldn't bar me from using Wallet or whatever instead of ISIS
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16:08.54JalenJadefindlay, it's not advertising where UTA is spending our money. It's executive pay. UTA has some of the highest paid executives in the country for public transit.
16:09.23jessieYay government granted monopolies.
16:10.26fozzmooEspecially when you break it down by number of riders.
16:11.02eightyeighti love how you think no one rides the utah public transit
16:11.13eightyeightit's cute, in an ignorant, 5-year old sort of way
16:11.56jessieeightyeight: I never said no one used it, only said that it was a government granted monopoly. How many other companies could get as much funding and land given to them as UTA does?
16:12.06eightyeighti'm referring to fozzmoo
16:12.16jessieOh, disregard.
16:12.48fozzmooJohn Inglish was making almost as much as the guy running the NY transit system.
16:13.11eightyeightridership is down in 2012 compared to 2011, but it sees about 300,000 riders per month
16:13.20fozzmooI don't know how many buzillions of riders they deal with each year, but UTA's 180k or so is pocket change in comparison.
16:13.43eightyeighthttp://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2012-q4-ridership-APTA.pdf
16:13.49eightyeightq4 2012 stats
16:14.48fozzmooI found it. Daily ridership: NYC 8.7 million, UTA: 143k
16:15.25fozzmooThat's from a 2010 article.
16:15.42eightyeighthow can that be? the state population is 8.2 million
16:15.51jessie^
16:16.49fozzmooPopulation of NYC is 8.2m. A lot of people work, visit, etc. there.
16:17.10fozzmooalmost all use public transit.
16:17.15eightyeightso, per day, 500,000 more people than the entire state population, ride the NYC transit
16:17.20eightyeighti'm not buying it
16:17.34fozzmoo8.2 million is the population of the CITY, not the state.
16:17.57pdaytonand there are plenty of people who commute into the city
16:18.02fozzmooThe state has 19 million
16:18.06eightyeighti still don't buy it
16:18.15eightyeighti would believe, maybe, 4 million daily ridership
16:18.31jessieThere's still taxis, cars, etc. that people use too.
16:18.38fozzmooStill staggering when compared to UTA's 143k
16:18.38pdaytonfolks commute in from New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania
16:18.41eightyeighttaxis are private organizations
16:19.03jessieAgreed. That's what I'm saying, there's other forms of transport besides public transport.
16:19.29fozzmooMy point was that Inglish was nbeing paid $339k when the guy running the NYC transit program was being paid $350k
16:19.39JalenJadeMTA reports 5.2 million riders per day
16:19.44JalenJadein 2011
16:19.59eightyeighti'll agree that the UTA execs are overpaid. by leaps and bounds. several orders of magnitudes.
16:20.11eightyeightno argument from me there. their fares are astronomical
16:20.13jessiefozzmoo: Can't say that I disagree on the overpaying of execs.
16:20.43eightyeightbut the ridership is anything but dead. sure, compared to a city that has 4x the population of our state, it's looks puny
16:21.10eightyeightit would be higher though, if the fares were, like, 1/2 (they should be free, imo)
16:21.29JalenJadeThe only issue i have with UTA is how much the executives get paid. I think they should take pay cuts before they raise fair prices
16:22.05eightyeighti don't honestly understand why it's publicly funded, with the rates they charge
16:22.28jessieCause it loses money like mad, duh.
16:22.35jessieEverything but Trax, that is.
16:22.49eightyeightwell, it's a failed business model
16:22.50youtahTrue story about NY ridership. When I was in NJ, it seemed like *everyone* rode the trains into New York.
16:23.26JalenJadewell if 5.2 million ride the subway alone I can see how total public transit a day could be 8.2 million when you include all other forms of transit
16:24.24eightyeighton a side note, interesting graphic: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USA_2000_population_density.png
16:25.39youtahLOL, Google maps only has street car views on the major streets of where I served my LDS mission
16:28.30Q_ContinuumYeah, it looks like transit wouldn't really be an option for me.
16:28.39mheathI've gotten so used to Street View
16:28.51Q_Continuum1) I'd have to start an hour later as the route that stops at the building starts running just after 7AM
16:28.54mheathAnd now I'm looking at maps of military installations I'll be at, and I'm so frustrated its not available
16:29.08Q_Continuumand takes 35 minutes to run from State/7200S->Work
16:29.18Q_Continuumyoutah: How long would it take you to drive that?
16:29.29mheathEven the addresses/directions on military bases are messed up in Google Maps :(
16:29.29Q_Continuum10, maybe 15 minutes?
16:29.45Q_ContinuumUTA needs GOogle to do this.  I can't even get their route finder to work without throwing errors.
16:29.59jessieYeah, UTA's website is pretty terrible.
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16:30.12Q_ContinuumNot just "we couldn't find that" but actual "code on line 14 is fucked"
16:30.44mheathQ_Continuum: You can't look up directions on Google Maps?
16:30.51Q_ContinuumNo, the route finder
16:30.53mheathI NEVER use UTAs website, I always go through Google Maps
16:31.03Q_ContinuumI figured I'd see how UTA's site was.
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16:31.11youtahQ_Continuum, drive from State Street to work?
16:31.13Q_ContinuumI haven't tried to use it before
16:31.16Q_ContinuumYeah
16:31.16youtahMaybe 12 minutes
16:31.19mheathI don't think UTAs site has been updated for about 10 years
16:31.21Q_Continuum35m by train.
16:31.27youtah7 if you hit it at the right times
16:31.27Q_ContinuumStarts at 7:10, arrives at 7:45AM
16:31.39mheathIt will helpfully give you lots of route 'options' though
16:31.40Q_ContinuumFirst run of the day.
16:31.51mheathLike, say you don't want to take that silly 15 minute bus ride
16:31.56mheathUTA can find a way to make your trip last 4 hours
16:32.02mheathOne of the many great features of rideuta.com ;)
16:32.07JalenJadeyeah for me to get to anywhere it takes at least an hour via bus. It generally takes less time on my bike unless TRAX is involved
16:32.26youtahThis was the street I lived on (in one area) of New Jersey, that actually has street view. http://goo.gl/maps/kqhGr
16:33.02mheathI used to ride UTA buses constnatly, and have *ALWAYS* used Google Maps for the transit routing and directions.
16:33.26youtahSo if you walked down the alley to the back of the house, and went into the cellar, *most* houses would rent out all the individual rooms in the basement. So you would have 3~5 people in that one basement.
16:33.28Q_ContinuumBiking up the long slow incline towards work would kill my already not-great knees
16:33.45youtahThen you would have an entire family on the main floor, another family upstairs, and a renter in the attic.
16:34.08youtahso you could have 20 people in one house, and a quarter of them went to NY for work
16:34.39Q_ContinuumTraveling to work via UTA would take between 1h 4m and 1h 11m
16:34.58Q_ContinuumWhereas currently it is under 10 miles to drive, driveway to parking ramp.
16:35.07Q_Continuumand takes 10-15 minutes.
16:35.33Q_ContinuumOh, and I'd have to leave an hour earlier than I already do, meaning waking up at 5AM to arrive at work by 7.
16:35.34youtahFrom Sandy (13th East and 80th South) to Cottonwood Heights (work at the mouth of BCC) was something like a 70 minute commute via UTA for me
16:35.46mheathI did the math once, for when I was living in Bountiful and working in West Valley
16:35.54mheathI wanted to 'save money' buy buying a bus pass
16:35.55Q_ContinuumFar west side of Murray to same.
16:36.08jessieQ_Continuum: Not to mention the hour ride back home.
16:36.15Q_ContinuumYeah.
16:36.19mheathBus passes are EXPENSIVE. It worked to being about $100 more expensive, per month, to take the Bus than to pay for the gas in my car
16:36.24youtahWhen I was living in bountiful, and was going to SLCC at Redwood road, it took me just shy of 2 hours to ride UTA one way
16:36.27mheathAnd increased my commute by 2.5 hours a day
16:37.11Q_Continuummheath: They make sense if you A) drive a gas guzzler B) travel along a long-distance route C) can get rid of the vehicle entirely (maybe join a shared-vehicle group or something)
16:37.26Q_ContinuumI just try to live close to work...
16:37.51mheathI take the bus a lot now, but thats because I have a discount ed pass, and theres a 15 minute line that goes straight from my uni to my apartment
16:37.55jessieSee, even the long distance routes suck now. Due to frontrunner, they've killed a lot of the express bus routes.
16:38.19mheathThose express routes were nice, too. Nice busses, wifi, fast, good schedules..
16:38.50jessieYeah, I took the express bus from Spanish Fork to UVU everyday for a year or so.
16:38.54mheathFrontrunner is difficult to take. The UTA connections at a lot of the frontrunner stations are severely lacking...
16:39.16jessieAnd the connections seem to be timed poorly so that you always seem to miss the train/bus you need.
16:39.44mheathyep
16:40.16mheathI may want to look at those again. A month or two ago they redid a bunch of schedules, supposedly specifically to improve frontrunner conncetions. I haven't look to see if it's any better though
16:40.25jessieIt's not.
16:40.43jessieMy wife was taking Frontrunner from Lehi to U of U until about 2 weeks ago.
16:40.46youtahQ_Continuum & Jima, So I just ran the schedule maker, from my old house in Sandy (13th East 80th South) to go to work, it's 1 hour and 15 minutes.
16:40.47mheathActually, no, I don't want to look at those again. I keep forgetting I'm moving out of Utah in a few weeks...
16:40.57jessieIt took her about 1.5 hours each way.
16:41.39mheathI shouuld probably research how Seattle's transit works, though..hmmm.
16:41.45Q_ContinuumMan, I always built subway systems that ran every 2 or 3 roads in a grid pattern in SC2000.
16:41.49Q_ContinuumWhy can't we just do that?
16:41.57Q_ContinuumExpensive upfront, I know.
16:42.00Q_Continuum:-(
16:42.01youtah+1
16:42.08Q_ContinuumBut I made it work in the simulation...
16:42.15Q_Continuum...then again subways may have been underpriced.
16:42.26youtahlol
16:42.32mheathSubways are really expensive to build these days, because theres so much existing underground infrastructure
16:42.39youtahall I need to know about running a city, comes from Sim City
16:42.48mheathThats one of the only rason that places like the New York and London subways are so succesful
16:42.53Q_ContinuumI'm skipping the new Sim City, but I did pick up SC4 on Steam awhile back.  I should give it a go.
16:42.58Q_ContinuumTrue
16:42.58mheaththey built most of them before there are any significant modern, underground infrastucture
16:43.21youtahSo that's why we do it now, instead of 20~50 years down the road
16:43.30mheatheh
16:43.31youtahwhen there will be just that much more stuff underground
16:43.55mheathMass Transit is a delicate subject in the USA. In the USA, it doesn't tend to work out in a way that makes it particularly cost effective or benefficial
16:44.00Q_ContinuumBuild a tunnel or two, and run all the wiring through it as well.  Channels for diff vendors/categories
16:44.01mheath*cough* Amtrak *cough*
16:44.23Q_ContinuumYeah, me going back to MN via Amtrak would be a 3-day-affair
16:44.25mheathOur population density is too low, our personal vehicle ownership rate too high, and people are too impatient
16:44.31Q_ContinuumUT->Cali->Seattle->Minnesota
16:44.51mheathI don't understand why anyone takes Amtrak. every time I have priced it, it has been SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than airfare, not to mention much longer
16:45.00Q_ContinuumWell I can spend $20 in actual costs to drive to/from work each day, and it takes me 20 minutes.  I don't know what UTA charges, and it would take 2.5 hours
16:45.05youtahbecause trains are fun
16:45.07Q_Continuum^
16:45.12mheathThe only reason I could ever think of is the experience or the scenery
16:45.20romanovic_what youtah said
16:45.26Q_ContinuumI've done it once, going to Washington DC from MN with family.  (We flew back)
16:45.36youtahI want to go to Colorado via train, and ride in the upper car
16:45.46Q_ContinuumIn fact, sunrise breakfast in their dining car on Easter sunday
16:45.53Q_Continuum12 years ago
16:46.03romanovic_i've never taken amtrak, but i'd love to.  my mother in law visits from california by train from time to time, and she loves it
16:46.24Q_ContinuumIf the route is sane, it is a different experience than airtravel.
16:46.27Q_ContinuumThen again, mine was pre-TSA
16:46.44mheathI've always loved the idea of paying Amtrak
16:46.49mheathI would even consider paying a *bit* more for it
16:47.00Q_ContinuumAlso: TRIPLE check EVERY compartment of EVERY container you pack for stuff you shouldn't have.
16:47.02mheathBut every time I've priced it, its been *much, much, much* more
16:47.08mheathLike 400-500 higher than airfare
16:47.25Q_ContinuumThey have regional passes good for unlimited rides in a given timeframe.
16:47.29Q_ContinuumCould make a 'trip' that way.
16:47.52Q_ContinuumI'd looked at one point it was like $400 for like a 2-week pass in a given region
16:47.54mheathMaybe once I'm Active again, I'll check them out too. I've heard they have a decent military discount.
16:48.21Q_ContinuumWant to see the Pacific NW?  Here, for $350-$450 you can travel as much as you want for 2 weeks.
16:48.28youtahCoolest message of the day "Attempted to yield the CPU while in atomic or interrupt context"
16:48.45mheathatomic CPU
16:48.46mheathawesome
16:48.56youtahlol, +1 for anything atomic
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18:09.40youtahBaaaack
18:13.06tristanbob_wI agree, I would like to travel via train like they do in teh movies.  perhaps that is the way it is in europe?  sleeper trains for overnight trips
18:18.13findlayUTA LAMERZ GUBERMANT MONOPOLY MONEY
18:18.14findlayetc
18:18.43findlayis just trying to catch up
18:19.05findlaybecause I spent the last hour at a dark matter seminar
18:21.08findlayhypercharge, weak isospin symmetry breaking, CMSSM, higgs intermediary
18:21.27findlaycower before my command of excessive jargon
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18:27.19findlayThere's a trax line that runs one block from my house, so I could get to campus just on trax
18:27.34findlaybut then I'd have to do 2 transfers
18:28.29findlay(and a 10 minute walk across campus) so, I could make an epic trax trip twice a day, or I could walk in about the same amount of time and write poetry
18:29.36youtahSo any of you going to Holi tomorrow?
18:32.39shalkieI want to!
18:32.42shalkies/to/too/
18:34.30youtahI will be thre
18:34.31youtahthere
18:34.35youtahwearing my youtah shirt
18:34.46shalkie:-)
18:34.49youtahWhite shirt with this logo http://youtah.com/youtah_logo_400x400.svg
18:35.34youtah(and if that link doesn't load, throw a slice of ham, or whatever else might be on your sandwich, at Jayce^
18:35.36youtah)
18:35.37JalenJadeOn TableTop day? pfft
18:35.59shalkieI saw your twitter logo. :-P
18:36.00youtahThat's called "Stick Figure falling down stairs in a Box Womb"
18:36.31shalkieDid you snicker much at the use of Womb instead of Room?
18:36.37shalkie:-)
18:36.48youtahI sure did
18:37.02shalkieGood. :-)
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19:25.50maheliousthrows a slice of head cheese at Jayce^
19:26.08maheliouslink loaded, i just wanted to throw sliced meats
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19:50.13KrewfixPeekaboo
19:50.26Krewfixhappy easter everyone :)
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19:57.03youtahlol mahelious
19:57.12youtahThanks, you too Krewfix
19:57.44mheathNot quite easter yet, but happy easter none the less :)
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20:16.19maheliousive never gotten the hang of easter
20:16.55maheliousam i supposed to have ham, lamb or rabbit for dinner?  and then i have to eat egg salad sandwiches for a week straight
20:19.32Q_ContinuumI don't know.  Wasn't raised Catholic, so didn't have those funny requirements.
20:19.49Q_ContinuumJust another excuse to see family
20:20.36mheathI think Catholics can pretty much eat anything on Easter
20:20.41maheliousfuneral potatoes i can dig.  there should be more holidays about eating potatoes and cheese.
20:20.45mheathThey're restricted during Lent
20:20.53mheathBut Lent ends the day before Easter
20:21.06mheathEaster Dinner is supposed to be the post-Lent feast
20:21.20mheath(disclaimer: I am not, never have been a Catholic)
20:22.32maheliouswhen i finally start a religion, at least once a month im having a religious feast involving lots of beer and raclette.
20:23.29maheliousand a pinata.  there are never enough opportunities to pull out a pinata.
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21:46.00tristanbob_wfindlay: you write poetry while walking to work?
21:48.55Tenetristanbob_w: don't you write poetry while findlay walks to work?
21:49.01TeneI thought everyone here did.
21:49.39tristanbob_wWalk, walk, skip, hop. Findlay moves, destination approaches.
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21:53.42youtahQ_Continuum!!!! MY HARDWARE CAME!
21:54.22youtahlol, the *only* thing that is still out for delivery, is the computer case itself.
21:54.42youtahbut that's okay, I can get just some cardboard and glue the MoBo to it, right?
21:57.57jessieHell yes you can, who needs proper grounding?!
21:59.55nageI knew of a college dorm room that ran a system with all the bare components hung from the ceiling with fishing line, it always made me nervous
22:03.41youtahI'll just fill a bucket full of mineral oil and let the parts float around
22:03.42TeneThat's problematic for cooling also
22:04.01TeneA closed case gives you better airflow.
22:04.24youtahwell, except for the HDD's, I imagine they wouldn't like mineral oil very much
22:04.26jessieMineral oil should do just fine if you cool it somehow.
22:04.32jessieSSD's bro.
22:04.36youtahlol
22:04.42youtahI will have both
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22:39.47harleypighttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hnBp7x2QAE
22:42.12fozzmooI'm convinced the original Gorn footage was meant to be sped up. :)
22:43.02harleypigfozzmoo: nah ... it was just as campy as the rest of the series ... speeding it up would have made it stand out from the rest.
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23:25.49Q_ContinuumWell if youtah hadn't bailed I was going to show him my build this week that is running on cardboard...
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23:56.15harleypiganyone know of a rts that not only allows for macro development by the player, but encourages it by providing (relatively) easy to user interface to create said macros?

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