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| 00:12.57 | jima | youtah: bring a shovel when we meet up; we'll see how you enjoy it. |
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| 02:36.37 | dandkburt | enyone on |
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| 02:43.03 | dandkburt | hello |
| 03:03.26 | shalkie | There are peoples... They are just likely to be doing that "monday" night thing. |
| 03:03.32 | shalkie | No, not football... |
| 03:03.43 | shalkie | tries to beat everyone to the punch. |
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| 15:55.46 | fadein | Happy Election Day! |
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| 15:56.16 | fadein | I'll take your collective silence to mean that you're all out casting your ballots |
| 15:56.57 | Q_Continuum | hahaha |
| 15:57.00 | Q_Continuum | That is after work. |
| 16:02.47 | Migs | this year, it's kind of silly to vote if you live in Utah. As if we don't all know who'll get the electoral vote. |
| 16:03.12 | fadein | Migs: yeah, because there aren't any local offices up for the contest |
| 16:03.23 | Migs | I meant presidential obviously |
| 16:03.35 | Migs | I always vote in local elections |
| 16:04.06 | mahelious | gotta do my part to keep Hatch down. |
| 16:04.16 | macnewbold | Migs: there are a lot of other things on the ballots besides presidential race |
| 16:04.17 | macnewbold | we have a governor too, county mayor, county council, constitutional amendments, etc. |
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| 16:04.52 | Migs | I don't understand why Hatch keeps getting re-elected |
| 16:05.14 | fadein | because inertia |
| 16:05.25 | mahelious | the incumbent effect. |
| 16:05.26 | Migs | he's been a senator longer than half the people in Utah have been alive. They probably just see him as a permanent fixture. |
| 16:06.03 | fadein | interestingly, in my own ward, whenever someone speaks their opinion on Hatch it is negative |
| 16:06.11 | fadein | I've heard that many, many times from members |
| 16:06.43 | Migs | relevance? |
| 16:07.06 | fadein | counterintuitive to the "he gets elected b/c he's a mormon" |
| 16:07.27 | fadein | stereotype |
| 16:07.33 | Migs | who thinks that? |
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| 16:07.53 | fadein | people |
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| 16:10.52 | fadein | There was a flyer (I think, I can't find the original right now) from the Howell campaign that said that Orrin is too old and may not survive this next term |
| 16:10.58 | fadein | http://www.inquisitr.com/335425/senator-orrin-hatch-opponent-vote-for-me-because-he-might-die/ |
| 16:11.44 | fadein | Anyway, the Hatch campaign countered with something along the lines of "many of the LDS apostles are older than me, and they do a good job" |
| 16:12.23 | fadein | so folks took that as a pandering-to-the-base kind of remark |
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| 16:19.06 | unum | most people who go to the polls today in utah will go to vote for mitt romney |
| 16:19.16 | unum | they do not know or understand any of the other candidates |
| 16:19.38 | unum | they will show up to vote for mitt and against obama they will vote straight ticket, they will not even see hatch's name |
| 16:20.00 | unum | they will walk up to the machine, they will see the republican option and they will press it |
| 16:20.19 | unum | all their votes will be filled in they will make sure mitt romney is checked and they they'll bush the vote button |
| 16:20.29 | unum | with out even thinking about senator orrin hatch |
| 16:20.36 | unum | and that is how he gets reelected |
| 16:21.30 | unum | my last facebook post was discouraging people from voting for candidates they have not met or at least researched |
| 16:23.37 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 16:23.53 | eightyeight | i had the most polarizing conversation with my brother and father last night |
| 16:24.33 | eightyeight | i mentioned who i would like to see on the democratic and republican tickets for 2016, and i got massive scorn for my democratic pick |
| 16:24.58 | eightyeight | when i pushed back on who they would like to see on the democratic ticket, i got blank stares, and verbal stumbling |
| 16:25.30 | eightyeight | they have _no_ clue who is on the democratic congress, house, or elsewhere |
| 16:25.46 | eightyeight | it was clear to me they view the world through rose-colored glasses, and are perfectly happy with their views |
| 16:26.10 | eightyeight | the remote possiblily that you can be educated on both sides of the aisle is not possible in their mind |
| 16:26.26 | eightyeight | it's right vs wrong, good vs evil |
| 16:26.36 | eightyeight | very, very frustrating |
| 16:27.16 | eightyeight | it's equally as annoying to see people who view the world through aqua-colored glasses |
| 16:27.23 | eightyeight | polarized politics is annoying |
| 16:30.18 | rsimpkins | We are the vicitims of the power of our ignorance. |
| 16:30.24 | unum | I share your feelings, but had a hard time splitting my ticket this year, very disappointed with the republican ticket this year |
| 16:30.41 | unum | I voted for snellgrove two years ago, I've never liked mullin |
| 16:31.06 | unum | anyways if anyone has any questions about Ben I'd be happy to answer them :) |
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| 16:33.11 | youtah | harleypig it's an amazing word too! |
| 16:33.40 | youtah | manithree: youtah: Tom Chapin fan? Or the parent of one? * manithree looks at youtah like he's an alien << lol |
| 16:34.11 | youtah | Jima: it's not the shovels fault. I just suck at petting spiders. |
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| 16:37.09 | saturdayplace | OK nerds. I've never read dune. Should I start in their published order, or what? |
| 16:37.15 | jima | practice, you'll get there |
| 16:37.18 | jima | (or not) |
| 16:37.41 | jima | is not a nerd, and has never read dune (or watched the movies) |
| 16:38.03 | youtah | I've watched the movie |
| 16:38.10 | rsimpkins | saturdayplace: I read the first three, then it started getting too strange for me. |
| 16:38.11 | youtah | and we're Geeks, not nerds |
| 16:38.15 | youtah | We have social skills. |
| 16:38.19 | jima | i caught part of...what was it, children of dune? |
| 16:38.23 | jima | yep. i am a geek. |
| 16:38.34 | saturdayplace | Ahh, I've never made the distinction before. |
| 16:38.40 | rsimpkins | Children of dune is where things start getting odd... it goes down from there. |
| 16:38.47 | jima | nerds vs. geeks is srs bznz |
| 16:38.49 | youtah | ;-) |
| 16:38.58 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: seriously, *really* odd |
| 16:39.07 | Q_Continuum | My father is a nerd. I'm a geek. (He wears a pocket protector, I don't) |
| 16:39.20 | Q_Continuum | I hated Hatch before I moved to Utah. |
| 16:39.27 | Q_Continuum | About a decade ago, in fact. |
| 16:39.33 | goozbach | the dune books are good |
| 16:39.33 | jima | http://gosmellthecoffee.com/files/2010/05/20090921-nerd-venn-diagram.jpg |
| 16:39.34 | Q_Continuum | Some tech bill he was pushin' |
| 16:39.41 | jima | ^ nerds/geeks/dweebs explained |
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| 16:39.49 | goozbach | if you stay with the original |
| 16:40.11 | Q_Continuum | I recall writing about it, even, for the school newspaper. |
| 16:40.12 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: you mean the one where he thought the federal government should have the ability to blow up your computer? |
| 16:40.19 | goozbach | brian and kevin j anderson's takes in the dune universe are good, but not dune good |
| 16:40.25 | Yorokobi | goozbach, some of the Dune books written by Frank's son are good, too. |
| 16:40.34 | jima | at least he never described the internet as a series of tubes ;-) |
| 16:40.37 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: I forget what it was. |
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| 16:40.58 | goozbach | go into those with the same mindset as a pulp starwars book and you'll enjoy them fine |
| 16:41.08 | goozbach | just don't expect the heady stuff of frank |
| 16:41.16 | Yorokobi | I was okay with them until I got to Paul of Dune. I stopped there. |
| 16:41.55 | Q_Continuum | rsimpkins: Yes, that was it. |
| 16:42.02 | youtah | That is an excellent diagram |
| 16:42.31 | rsimpkins | Q_Continuum: I guess that is his idea of limited government power. |
| 16:44.52 | Q_Continuum | Heh |
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| 16:55.17 | manithree | Lines were LONG at Orem City Center to vote |
| 17:01.13 | manithree | rsimpkins: That's Hatch's idea of protecting his CD sales |
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| 17:04.24 | Nemus | early voting is where its at |
| 17:04.28 | Nemus | in and out 5 minutes |
| 17:04.43 | saturdayplace | seconds |
| 17:05.01 | manithree | One of my friends was voting today because she said the lines were longer Friday. |
| 17:05.02 | saturdayplace | Vote early, vote often. Or something like that. |
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| 17:07.54 | Q_Continuum | Ugh. Did not get research on choices. |
| 17:07.55 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 17:11.50 | unum | I love absentee voting |
| 17:12.05 | unum | plenty of time to sit down and research candidates/issues |
| 17:12.11 | unum | and no diebold voting machines |
| 17:12.55 | jima | unum: NO KIDDING |
| 17:13.02 | unum | as someone who writes software to report on people's political views for a living, I'll never use those machines |
| 17:13.03 | jima | absentee voting = awesome |
| 17:13.44 | unum | my ballot shows up in my mail box a few weeks before election, I fill it out at my leisure while sitting at my desk |
| 17:13.50 | unum | then send it in |
| 17:14.13 | Q_Continuum | Well I'm making a text file with my choices, then I'll print/write that out and take it in with me. |
| 17:14.15 | unum | there are legimate concerns about vote buying but I really wish we did it like oregon |
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| 17:18.16 | jima | unum: i don't think i'll regular-vote again, if i can help it. |
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| 17:25.03 | fadein | jima: yeah, I'm totally over regular voting, too |
| 17:25.28 | fadein | there's just something about being able to take my sweet time and not feeling like I'm holding up the line |
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| 17:34.58 | jima | yep |
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| 17:45.49 | youtah | Good crap I can't focus today |
| 17:46.03 | youtah | and the kids (two of the three) have croup. |
| 17:46.12 | youtah | I am thinking of just taking PTO today |
| 17:47.37 | Gate | youtah: parent teacher organization? |
| 17:47.47 | youtah | that too |
| 17:47.48 | youtah | sure |
| 17:47.49 | youtah | why not |
| 17:48.30 | Gate | I'm serious; I have no idea what you mean by PTO |
| 17:48.47 | unum | Paid Time Off |
| 17:48.48 | youtah | PTO = Personal Time Off |
| 17:48.54 | unum | either way.... |
| 17:48.55 | youtah | yeah, or that too |
| 17:49.23 | youtah | it's essentially vacation and sick leave accrued hours combined into one |
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| 18:32.22 | Q_Continuum | So. US Senate voting choices. |
| 18:34.47 | Q_Continuum | Bill Barron seems focused on carbon tax, and a steadily-climbing tax at that. Single-issue candidate, doesn't talk about anything else. Either too focused, or not willing to admit the rest. |
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| 18:37.01 | unum | most likely running just to raise awareness, knows he has no chance, no need to develop other opinions |
| 18:37.11 | Q_Continuum | Don't like Hatch's technology stance on stuff in the past and now |
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| 18:37.40 | Q_Continuum | (Don't know enough on his other stuff, but career politicians are generally not good) |
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| 18:39.17 | Q_Continuum | Don't agree with half of Howell's "Utah Values" (the religious side of it) |
| 18:40.08 | Q_Continuum | But is the most 'likely' candidate against Hatch |
| 18:40.40 | Q_Continuum | Haun McCausland's 110% Flash site is beyond annoying |
| 18:40.44 | Q_Continuum | Shaun McCausland's 110% Flash site is beyond annoying |
| 18:41.25 | Q_Continuum | This is the only seat I'm having serious trouble settling on. |
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| 18:48.15 | Q_Continuum | Down to Shaun McCausland, Scott Howell, and Daniel Geery. Hrm. |
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| 19:26.44 | errstr- | just fantastic: http://factcheck.org/2012/11/the-2012-factcheck-awards/ |
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| 19:26.55 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72YG2DhWHmE |
| 19:50.49 | mahelious | q_Continuum: did Barron drop out? |
| 19:51.35 | Q_Continuum | I have no idea. |
| 19:51.51 | Q_Continuum | I'm looking at the state's "sample ballot" page |
| 19:52.18 | dandkburt | no |
| 19:52.37 | dandkburt | when I went and voted 30 minuts ago I seen that name |
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| 20:50.29 | Gate | that's hilarious |
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