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| 00:53.31 | rikerbe | hey there |
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| 01:24.07 | shalkie | It is funny, I was reading an article last night about the protestors in TX. Seems Obama has approved that portion of the keystone pipeline. |
| 01:26.06 | rikerbe | Its funny, the old media is building all this drama around the popular vote. like it really matters. Its all about the electors - 270 electors majority decides a president not a popular vote - and Obama is leading by a huge gap , romney isnt event close! theres no contest. |
| 01:26.37 | rikerbe | This just proves yet again that the old school media is dead, stick to the social medias and the interwebs! |
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| 16:26.56 | Gate | rikerbe: because the internet is *way* more reliable and accurate |
| 16:28.05 | Gate | rikerbe: and a absolute democracy should scare you. If it doesn't, you haven't thought it through. |
| 16:28.34 | rikerbe | Gate, Im mortified |
| 16:29.21 | rikerbe | I dont even know what you mean by absolute democracy. |
| 16:29.45 | ezakimak | he probably means direct democracy, eg no electoral college |
| 16:30.11 | Gate | I'm speaking more generally, but yes |
| 16:31.03 | rikerbe | where did you hear the idea of abolishing the electors? |
| 16:31.08 | rikerbe | i was just stating facts. |
| 16:32.25 | rikerbe | media is hyping the irrelevant popular all that matters is a majority in the electoral college. and obama is leading by a huge gap - romney isnt close |
| 16:33.47 | rikerbe | How did that lead you to conclude that i'm down for abolishing the electors? |
| 16:34.52 | rikerbe | im down for abolishing 2nd grade spanish dramas disguised as media. |
| 16:35.15 | jima | BUT THE CHILDREN |
| 16:35.26 | jima | AND THE GUNS |
| 16:35.30 | jima | AND THE SENIORS |
| 16:35.47 | jima | wait, i hope those three aren't correlated. |
| 16:36.10 | jima | although giving children guns to hunt seniors WOULD solve a few problems... |
| 16:36.30 | jima | no, no. bad idea. |
| 16:40.31 | rikerbe | can mormons carry guns? |
| 16:40.36 | rikerbe | or is that a sin? |
| 16:41.30 | resplin | hasn't followed the conversation close enough to tell if that is a real question |
| 16:42.19 | rikerbe | it is |
| 16:42.30 | rikerbe | judging by your skepticism I safely presume the answer is negative |
| 16:43.43 | resplin | There is not an official doctrinal position on that. Different Mormons have different beliefs. |
| 16:44.18 | resplin | I think our doctrine is clear that in times of war it is appropriate to defend yourself. Outside of that extreme circumstance, there are many different opinions. |
| 16:45.01 | resplin | But this channel has a lot of conversation about firearms, most of it by Mormons, so your question could have been seen as a joke. |
| 16:45.45 | resplin | In Utah the majority of Mormons have no problem with carrying guns. Sometimes including to church. |
| 16:46.01 | resplin | (or at least the ones I live around) |
| 16:46.02 | Gate | wow, did I start an argument? |
| 16:46.07 | Gate | laughs evilly |
| 16:46.09 | youtah | Love the smell of PCI slots in the morning |
| 16:46.33 | resplin | It doesn't take much to start an argument in these parts. <grin> |
| 16:46.47 | resplin | But I don't mean to bore everyone. I just thought rikerbe might find some context interesting. |
| 16:46.53 | jima | resplin: yes it does! |
| 16:47.09 | resplin | Now that's not an argument, that's just simple negation! |
| 16:47.10 | Gate | Any of you on iOS and have a favorite ssh client? |
| 16:47.15 | jima | resplin: LIES |
| 16:47.23 | resplin | I didn't come here for abuse! |
| 16:47.36 | jima | resplin: sure you did! why else? |
| 16:47.49 | jima | resplin: was that any better? |
| 16:48.09 | resplin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y |
| 16:48.18 | jima | doesn't youtube at work |
| 16:48.28 | rikerbe | http://postimage.org/image/dcjamgn2j/ |
| 16:48.36 | rikerbe | http://s17.postimage.org/rhp3o9w3x/image.jpg |
| 16:48.38 | rikerbe | check this out |
| 16:49.00 | rikerbe | weve had this for generations |
| 16:49.10 | resplin | jima: http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm |
| 16:49.24 | rikerbe | do you know what itis? |
| 16:49.53 | resplin | Isn't that a coin of deseret? |
| 16:50.06 | jima | resplin: heh, thanks |
| 16:50.14 | rikerbe | resplin what is a coin of deseret? |
| 16:50.28 | Q_Continuum | resplin: But isn't the LDS church the (only?) religious org that has filed with the state saying 'no carry in our buildings'? |
| 16:50.45 | Q_Continuum | Or was that one of the offshoots? |
| 16:50.55 | resplin | rikerbe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Deseret |
| 16:51.11 | rikerbe | oh |
| 16:51.13 | resplin | Q_Continuum: They wouldn't have filed if it wasn't such a heated topic. |
| 16:51.15 | rikerbe | yep resplin |
| 16:51.30 | resplin | rikerbe: I've never seen a picture of the coins before. That's pretty cool. |
| 16:52.03 | rikerbe | this was california gold |
| 16:52.09 | rikerbe | not all the cali gold was turned into coins in cali |
| 16:52.12 | rikerbe | some of it went north |
| 16:52.23 | rikerbe | where it was minted by the oregon exchange company |
| 16:52.26 | rikerbe | and some of it went east |
| 16:52.29 | rikerbe | to utah land |
| 16:52.34 | Q_Continuum | resplin: I just found it an odd disconnect, considering the apparent mentality here in Utah (although I heard SLC valley being the 'out of towner central' that it is is a little less gun-friendly?) |
| 16:52.36 | resplin | Interesting. |
| 16:52.46 | youtah | Wow... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/17/Top-Ten-Lies-of-the-Second-Presidential-Debate Even the huffington post agrees Obama was off |
| 16:52.47 | rikerbe | carried home by mormon miners who left the cities of sacramento and san francisco for SLC |
| 16:53.01 | rikerbe | On Brigham Young's direct orders, a mint was set up to turn the California dust into Utah coins. |
| 16:53.13 | youtah | I like Gold |
| 16:53.16 | rikerbe | You know about Mobourn Kay? |
| 16:53.30 | youtah | no, but I like Silver too |
| 16:53.32 | rikerbe | he was one of the prime movers in the new venture |
| 16:53.35 | rikerbe | he was a british convert |
| 16:53.37 | Q_Continuum | So...Google has posted a video and allowed (some) StreetView access to their North Carolina DC. |
| 16:53.39 | resplin | Great Basin Kingdom is a great book that provides a lot of background for Brigham Young's economic policies. Very interesting. |
| 16:53.40 | rikerbe | John Mobourn Kay |
| 16:53.50 | rikerbe | Kay forged the die blanks, engraved the dies, and, for good measure, helped in the selection of their designs |
| 16:54.10 | resplin | I didn't know about that. Very interesting. |
| 16:54.24 | Q_Continuum | Google Trollin' HARD |
| 16:54.25 | rikerbe | So the first Mormon coins, eagles, appeared in December 1848 which was the very first American pioneer coins struck west of the Mississippi |
| 16:54.33 | rikerbe | Other denominations were soon added. |
| 16:54.49 | rikerbe | all of them, including the double eagle that I have, have radical design concepts unseen before or since. |
| 16:55.09 | rikerbe | the obverse bears the emblem of the Mormon Priesthood |
| 16:55.15 | rikerbe | the three pointed crown above an all seing eye. |
| 16:55.19 | resplin | tries to avoid spending too much time reading about Pioneer Utah gold coins when he should be working |
| 16:55.38 | rikerbe | the reverse displays clapsed hands joined in friendship and solidarity |
| 16:55.44 | youtah | FYI |
| 16:55.47 | rikerbe | The thing is that most of these early Utah coins have survived |
| 16:55.56 | youtah | if you ever wanna go out with Gold Rush Expeditions, my friends own it |
| 16:56.04 | youtah | and go explore some mines |
| 16:56.06 | rikerbe | They actually had just a bit more gold than face value so most were melted down in the early 1850s |
| 16:56.17 | rikerbe | which makes surviving examples extremely rare |
| 16:56.50 | youtah | I wanna find the "hidden cave of gold" that the LDS pioneers supposedly hid up Big Cottonwood Canyon (Mormon Legends) |
| 16:57.05 | resplin | Q_Continuum: Yeah, it is an interesting disconnect. One of the interesting things about Utah culture is when Utahns decide to listen to their church, and when they don't. And SLC and Park City are much different from the rest of Utah. |
| 16:57.32 | Q_Continuum | That's kind of what I've heard. |
| 16:57.40 | Q_Continuum | has been in-state for 6 months as of last Saturday |
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| 17:01.39 | rikerbe | i've got some mormon artwork |
| 17:01.41 | rikerbe | some antiques |
| 17:01.50 | rikerbe | anyone knows where I might be able to sell them? |
| 17:07.37 | resplin | Not sure. There are some bookstores in downtown Salt Lake that specialize in old Mormon books. I remember a few other stores related to it down there, but that area has changed a lot with the new mall and I don't know the names of the shops. |
| 17:09.12 | rikerbe | mostly paintings and stuff |
| 17:09.18 | resplin | This guy is well known for it: http://mormonmemorabilia.com |
| 17:09.21 | rikerbe | very few books |
| 17:09.34 | rikerbe | thanks! |
| 17:09.41 | youtah | FYI: If you guys participated in the Dropbox .edu email address campaign (Space Race) you have to download, install & log in to get the credit/points. |
| 17:09.55 | youtah | I have a couple of books that were diaries from the early 1800s |
| 17:11.05 | rikerbe | http://postimage.org/gallery/8ow1sdlk/ |
| 17:11.10 | rikerbe | here is some of the stuff redbeard2 |
| 17:11.11 | rikerbe | resplin |
| 17:11.15 | rikerbe | you think theres any value there? |
| 17:13.32 | youtah | I dunno |
| 17:13.33 | youtah | possibly |
| 17:13.40 | youtah | and one book about Indians |
| 17:13.50 | youtah | and someone having lived with them and wrote about it |
| 17:14.12 | rikerbe | you've seen those wafers before? |
| 17:14.26 | rikerbe | "For strengthening the brain, nerves, and sexual organs. A cure for dyspepsia. A remedy for malaria" |
| 17:15.06 | rikerbe | I've got some old pics as well |
| 17:17.01 | resplin | Not my area of expertise. I hadn't ever heard of the wafers before. There were lots of books and products produced in the eastern us in the 19th century that traded on the mystique of the Mormon territory. |
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| 17:23.32 | rikerbe | The pictures of the indians is from a studio portrait of three Moqui delegates, who met with the Mormon leader Brigham Young to increase trade. Men wear blankets and European clothing |
| 17:24.10 | rikerbe | I scanned some of the pics |
| 17:25.05 | rikerbe | http://postimage.org/gallery/f3j8vba/ |
| 17:25.07 | rikerbe | There you go |
| 17:25.12 | rikerbe | these are pretty old |
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| 17:56.07 | youtah | wow I come from a weird background |
| 17:56.30 | rikerbe | you do? |
| 17:56.41 | jima | well we coulda told you that |
| 17:59.09 | youtah | and LDS mbackground |
| 17:59.12 | youtah | blah |
| 17:59.15 | youtah | background |
| 17:59.41 | youtah | I guess I am a descendant of Daniel Woods, as in Wood Cross, Utah. |
| 18:00.32 | youtah | Story I heard: he refused to give up his property or sell it for the railroads that connected to NSL. And while he was away (traveling somewhere) they built it through his property anyway. |
| 18:01.08 | youtah | resulting in the crossing of Woods property |
| 18:01.12 | youtah | now known as Woods Cross |
| 18:01.26 | youtah | No idea as to if that is accurate or true, but that's the story I was told |
| 18:01.45 | youtah | I think my mom has the original property deed |
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| 18:04.45 | youtah | http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/10/will-it-blend-iphone-5-and-samsung-galaxy-s3-put-through-the-ringer/ |
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| 19:19.21 | youtah | Anyone know if SED's regex engine can match using the or/pipe? |
| 19:19.24 | youtah | example |
| 19:20.12 | youtah | sed -e "s/(hamburger|sandwhich)/lunch/" |
| 19:20.22 | jnbek | youtah: I believe so |
| 19:20.52 | youtah | I thought so too, but can't get this to work |
| 19:20.53 | youtah | Argh! |
| 19:20.54 | macnewbold | youtah: it can - you may need the -E flag on it though (i think that's the one) |
| 19:21.11 | youtah | an upper case -E? |
| 19:21.22 | macnewbold | and/or you may need to escape it … "s/(foo\|bar)/baz/;" |
| 19:21.37 | youtah | AH |
| 19:21.37 | macnewbold | i might be mixing it up with my grep regex syntax |
| 19:22.09 | youtah | yeah, backslash no workie |
| 19:22.14 | fugue88 | youtah: sed -r |
| 19:22.23 | jnbek | ([J:0]jjones@perlgeeks4u[~/src/userbox]% echo lunch | sed -e's/\(lunch\|dinner\)/food/g'; [10/17/12][13:22:05]) |
| 19:22.23 | jnbek | food |
| 19:22.35 | fugue88 | Is how I invoke it for best regexen. |
| 19:22.47 | jnbek | i should note that's zsh |
| 19:22.57 | jnbek | not sure if you have to \ the ( and | in bash |
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| 19:24.05 | youtah | yeah, I'm using bash |
| 19:25.21 | jnbek | just tested it, it works the same in bash too |
| 19:25.22 | jnbek | :D |
| 19:25.53 | youtah | Hmmmm, it's gotta be something super simple that I am overlooking |
| 19:26.02 | youtah | maybe I'll get up and walk around |
| 19:26.16 | fugue88 | If you use -r, you don't escape (, |, ) and friends as regex metas, but you do for literal matches. Without -r, it's the opposite: unescaped are literal matches, escaped for metas. |
| 19:26.32 | fugue88 | And yes, sed support the | alternative syntax. |
| 19:27.00 | macnewbold | my sed here doesn't have -r , but has -E that switches between basic and extended REs |
| 19:27.16 | fugue88 | macnewbold: Are you on a Unix, or Linux? |
| 19:27.28 | youtah | no -r here either |
| 19:27.32 | macnewbold | this one happens to be the one on my OSX box |
| 19:27.41 | jnbek | i got -r |
| 19:27.47 | jnbek | % echo lunch | sed -r -e's/(lunch|dinner)/food/g'; |
| 19:27.48 | jnbek | food |
| 19:27.54 | jnbek | very sexy :) |
| 19:27.56 | macnewbold | but a centos box has -r |
| 19:27.59 | youtah | op, yeah I do, sorry |
| 19:28.05 | youtah | Ubuntu has -r |
| 19:28.06 | fugue88 | Okay, so *gnu* sed has -r.... |
| 19:28.08 | fugue88 | :) |
| 19:28.12 | jnbek | :) |
| 19:28.28 | fugue88 | youtah: What are you on? |
| 19:28.36 | fugue88 | OS, that is. |
| 19:28.38 | fugue88 | ;) |
| 19:28.46 | fugue88 | nm, I can read. |
| 19:28.48 | jnbek | <<--- Arch Linux fwiw |
| 19:28.58 | youtah | Ubuntu |
| 19:29.04 | youtah | lol |
| 19:29.23 | jnbek | bahh reading is overrated |
| 19:29.37 | fugue88 | jnbek: Would you please dictate that to me? |
| 19:29.45 | jnbek | no |
| 19:30.00 | jnbek | :D |
| 19:30.03 | fugue88 | :) |
| 19:33.53 | jima | anyone ever see a windows host listen on, say, 0.0.0.0 or ::, and another process binds to the same port on a specific ip? |
| 19:34.04 | jima | linux doesn't allow it, but apparently windows does. |
| 19:34.11 | jima | and any inbound connections go to the process with the specific-ip listen. |
| 19:35.15 | jnbek | I don't use Windows for anything requiring address/port binding so, I've not ever experienced that behavior, however that's quite interesting and not really that surprising |
| 19:35.42 | fugue88 | s/(Windows).*/\1/ |
| 19:35.55 | jima | i agree on the interesting, but not on the not-surprising. |
| 19:36.34 | jnbek | which Winders? |
| 19:36.47 | jima | 2008 r2 |
| 19:38.20 | jnbek | what process is bound to 0.0.0.0 and what is bound to the specified address? |
| 19:38.50 | jnbek | maybe the specific process has to do with it |
| 19:39.53 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.00 | jima | nope, my predecessor had it happen to him with unrelated processes |
| 19:40.23 | jima | macnewbold: yes, but linux doesn't allow the same behavior. |
| 19:41.00 | macnewbold | jima: what do you mean? in linux you can also bind to a port, regardless of which IP it uses to arrive at the box |
| 19:41.39 | jima | macnewbold: yes, but if you listen on 0.0.0.0, it won't let a listen for the same port on one of the machine's ips bind |
| 19:42.04 | youtah | Woo Hoo! I got it |
| 19:42.40 | youtah | I realized that I was using a back slash on all of the parenthesis except one |
| 19:46.16 | jnbek | youtah++ |
| 19:46.36 | macnewbold | jima: yes, correct - if you're listening on every IP, you'll get the incoming connection. Trying to let another thing bind to just one IP would be an error |
| 19:46.49 | youtah | thanks for the help all |
| 19:47.04 | macnewbold | there's no such thing as "all available IPs" or "all but one", just "this IP" or "all IPs", |
| 19:47.13 | jnbek | :) |
| 19:47.14 | macnewbold | but you can do "this IP" and "This other IP" ... |
| 19:47.15 | jima | macnewbold: that's my point...except on windows, the specific-ip listen gets the incoming connection. |
| 19:47.30 | macnewbold | jima: windows allows them both to successfully bind? |
| 19:47.36 | macnewbold | yet another reason not to use windows |
| 19:47.45 | jnbek | if you're interested, youtah you can use perl -p -i -e too, and get the full Perl Regex system for real complex matching |
| 19:47.53 | jima | listening on 0.0.0.0 and :: should a) listen on all ips and b) block any other process from binding to that port |
| 19:48.09 | jima | my previous statement is true on linux, but not on windows. |
| 19:48.29 | macnewbold | windows is borken |
| 19:48.34 | jima | yes...not only to successfully bind, but the new process trumps the one listening on 0.0.0.0/:: |
| 19:48.45 | jima | which to me, seems sick and wrong. |
| 19:49.05 | macnewbold | to avoid that problem, i guess rather than binding to 0.0.0.0, you'd want to bind on every specific IP |
| 19:49.22 | macnewbold | so that anyone coming later would fail epically |
| 19:49.39 | jima | the downside there is you'd need to restart the process to add any new ips. |
| 19:50.58 | macnewbold | agreed |
| 19:51.16 | macnewbold | but would the bind on 0.0.0.0 bind on a new ip? |
| 19:51.52 | macnewbold | i guess there's always sighup, having it rebind rather than doing a full restart |
| 19:52.32 | jima | hmm, perhaps, yes |
| 20:07.05 | Q_Continuum | macnewbold: And 'Not using Windows' isn't really a choice. |
| 20:07.18 | macnewbold | unfortunate :( |
| 20:07.52 | Q_Continuum | VMware, despite running ESX/ESXi on Linux, doesn't have vCenter for Linux. |
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| 20:12.09 | pashdown | thats why we like kvm |
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| 20:12.41 | pashdown | consoles can be entirely emulated in serial and everything managed over ssh |
| 20:13.00 | Tene | Q_Continuum: that's yet another reason not to use VMware |
| 20:13.17 | Tene | Every time I've tried to use vmware, it's been endless piles of suck |
| 20:14.20 | pashdown | but it is enterprise grade suck! |
| 20:15.05 | Tene | You're right! I forgot about how useful it is to be able to pay for support folks to ignore me and fail to fix the problem. |
| 20:15.59 | manithree | hates vmware |
| 20:16.58 | Tene | Having someone to blame is far more important than being able to fix the problem. |
| 20:17.36 | manithree | Tene: That would be funny if it weren't so true |
| 20:32.01 | fungus | Q_Continuum, actually VMware does now have a vCenter server that will run on Linux. |
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| 20:32.40 | fungus | Though it's not quite fully feature complete yet. |
| 20:33.09 | goozbach | why do you need vcenter? |
| 20:33.16 | goozbach | isn't libvirt vmware aware? |
| 20:33.43 | fungus | Is it? I haven't tried. Been using vcenter for years |
| 20:33.49 | errstr- | yeah, it is |
| 20:33.54 | fungus | neat. |
| 20:34.31 | goozbach | yes it is |
| 20:34.40 | goozbach | http://libvirt.org/drvesx.html |
| 20:34.42 | fungus | yay, new fun toys for fungus |
| 20:34.47 | goozbach | http://libvirt.org/drvvmware.html |
| 20:35.06 | goozbach | if you're touching your virt stuff manually you're doing it wrong(tm) |
| 20:35.09 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:35.29 | goozbach | I'm writing stuff for php *shudder* control of openvz using libvirt a the moment |
| 20:35.44 | goozbach | ~libvirt++ |
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| 20:39.31 | Q_Continuum | We're running 24 ESXi boxes. Centralized management etc with all the features needed :-P |
| 20:39.59 | Q_Continuum | looks into this LibVirt stuff |
| 20:41.18 | youtah | Just got a "security access code" text message at random from Facebook |
| 20:41.20 | youtah | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:41.40 | Q_Continuum | Hrm, Libvert ESX doesn't seem to support ESXi 5.x |
| 20:43.23 | Q_Continuum | What does libvirt give me that vCenter doesn't have? (Besides being Open) |
| 20:44.05 | fungus | If it supported 5.x it would give to the ability to run w/o vCenter. That's a bonus, isn't it? |
| 20:44.25 | Q_Continuum | So the bonus is I can use X instead of Y? |
| 20:44.47 | fungus | I don't know, i haven't used libvirt much. Just making stuff up. |
| 20:44.59 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 20:45.24 | Q_Continuum | AFAIK you need vCenter to do vMotion, and enable the HA-stuff. |
| 20:45.34 | fungus | yeah probably. |
| 20:45.39 | Q_Continuum | Without that, its rather pointless to pay for VMware at all. |
| 20:46.03 | fungus | I would doubt vmware would let all that stuff out of the bag. |
| 20:46.23 | fungus | especially since ESXi is free w/o vcenter. |
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| 20:47.30 | Q_Continuum | Yeah. |
| 20:47.43 | Q_Continuum | well, you're limited to 32GB of RAM per host on the freebie. |
| 20:47.48 | Q_Continuum | That is the other limitation. |
| 20:48.37 | fungus | really? that sucks. Never tried actually running the freebie |
| 20:48.45 | Tene | kvm/libvirt is free, and also without vcenter. |
| 20:49.42 | fungus | Does kvm support stuff like live migrations, storage migrations, and HA/fault tolerance? |
| 20:49.54 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 20:50.00 | Tene | Yep. |
| 20:50.08 | jsmith | ~love KVM |
| 20:50.08 | ibot | If you love KVM so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 20:50.12 | fungus | interesting. |
| 20:50.29 | jsmith | fungus: kvm is great -- you should really try it out :-) |
| 20:51.02 | Q_Continuum | Tene: But how easy is it to get other folks to deploy kvm/libvert? (Say, not-highly-trained IT staff in subsidiaries/foreign countries) and support for same? |
| 20:51.10 | fungus | In the past kvm was way behind in those areas, so it wasn't even an option for me. |
| 20:51.13 | Q_Continuum | Those are the important things. |
| 20:51.19 | fungus | But if it's in there now. I will try it. |
| 20:51.35 | jsmith | fungus: Have you tried virt-manager or gnome-boxes? |
| 20:51.44 | fungus | nope |
| 20:51.45 | Tene | Q_Continuum: I have no idea. I am not poorly trained IT staff in a foreign country. |
| 20:51.52 | jsmith | fungus: They both make it pretty darn easy -- not to mention that there are also CLI commands for doing almost everything |
| 20:52.00 | jsmith | fungus: It's very scriptable :-) |
| 20:52.04 | Q_Continuum | live/storage migrations, HA/fault tolerance, ease of setup/config/management, and support. |
| 20:52.15 | Q_Continuum | All important for ze Enterprise. |
| 20:52.58 | fungus | jsmith, that stuff is nice, but like Q said, those enterprisey features are minimum for me nowdays. |
| 20:53.26 | fungus | But I'll definitely play with it, even if just for fun. |
| 20:53.34 | Q_Continuum | ...and easy support/setup for Windows AND Linux hosts. |
| 20:53.42 | Q_Continuum | errr guests. |
| 20:53.53 | Tene | I was going to say... |
| 20:54.18 | Q_Continuum | Heh. |
| 20:54.22 | Q_Continuum | brainfart! |
| 20:55.14 | Q_Continuum | Also, libvert won't manage the Free edition of ESXi - free = API is read-only for remote stuffs. |
| 20:55.21 | manithree | Right now I have a Windows VM to run vSphere client to manage a few of my VMs. Could I replace that with virt-manager? |
| 20:55.25 | Tene | I'm legally forbidden from discussing usability because I haven't had any trouble using git. |
| 20:55.40 | fungus | jsmith, any pointers to getting started w/ kvm? Beginning distro for hosts, documentation, etc? |
| 20:56.23 | pashdown | ubuntu has been working well for us, although redhat does more kvm development |
| 20:56.26 | Tene | fungus: redhat has done a lot of work on libvirt; fedora likely has better support, if there's any meaningful difference in support levels between major distros. |
| 20:56.42 | pashdown | and yes, you can use virt-manager to manage windows boxes via vnc |
| 20:56.43 | fungus | manithree, recent versions of vcenter support a half decent web interface with about 75% functionality |
| 20:57.21 | pashdown | but i use ssh+virsh for practically all our linux vm management |
| 20:57.23 | fungus | But keep your windows VM around for that 25%... |
| 20:57.32 | Q_Continuum | fungus: I know RHEL/CentOS 6 have KVM |
| 20:57.44 | Q_Continuum | but Fedora would have newer builds for testing |
| 20:58.08 | fungus | hmm, Ubuntu sounds good to me, since I am already heavily invested in it already. |
| 20:58.10 | Q_Continuum | So I would consider Ubuntu/Cent/Fedora |
| 20:58.24 | Q_Continuum | is migrating to Cent/Fedora, as he runs CentOS at work |
| 20:58.30 | goozbach | I've just finished up a libvirt deployment for one of my customers |
| 20:58.43 | goozbach | libvirt on top of KVM and openVZ |
| 20:58.44 | pashdown | kvm host had some bugs in ubuntu 10.04, but most was worked out by 11.10. 12.04 is very solid. |
| 20:58.54 | goozbach | so if you have any questions you know where to find me |
| 20:59.05 | fungus | Nice. thx for tips. |
| 20:59.54 | fungus | runs away to go plug in some recently retired vm hosts |
| 21:00.44 | fungus | wait, anyone know how well fiber channel support is on Linux? |
| 21:01.08 | manithree | fungus: It's always worked well for me with emulex and qlogic cards |
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| 21:01.30 | manithree | I have Samba and Oracle on the SAN |
| 21:02.27 | fungus | cool, i'm all qlogic here. I've never done FC on Linux before. Going to be even more fun of a test. |
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| 21:05.13 | manithree | Heh, I just remembered that Anaconda used to die if you had a fairly large (several terabytes, but this was several years ago) FC attached storage. I once had to unplug fiber to install RedHat, then plug it back in. |
| 21:08.11 | fungus | thx, i'll remember that. |
| 21:09.10 | manithree | I'm sure it's fixed by now, I think that was ES 2 |
| 21:10.24 | fungus | oh, heh |
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| 21:56.12 | jalbretsen | UGHHHHHHRAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! |
| 21:56.30 | jalbretsen | starts pounding and throwing things in his office |
| 21:56.49 | eightyeight | ~lart jalbretsen unless he's working with xml |
| 21:56.49 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses jalbretsen unless he's working with xml's head to break the homerun record |
| 21:57.05 | jalbretsen | JAKE SMASH NETWORK MANAGER!!!!! |
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| 21:58.59 | shalkie | What is with all the hate of NetworkManager lately? |
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| 22:00.11 | jima | lately? |
| 22:00.28 | shalkie | Probably folks are being more vocal lately. |
| 22:04.16 | Tene | shalkie: I never understood it. |
| 22:05.43 | jalbretsen | trying to do some bridging for KVM and failing |
| 22:07.13 | jalbretsen | VirtualBox likes to overheat my laptop and shut it down |
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| 22:17.07 | resplin_ | My laptop was doing the same thing. A spray of compressed air and my laptop is 30 degrees cooler under load. I hadn't realized it had gotten so dusty in only 18 months. |
| 22:18.18 | shalkie | Yeah, I find giving a good blow with compressed air on a regular basis makes alot of difference. |
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| 22:37.26 | Tene | h8 virtualbox |
| 22:39.24 | ezakimak | just use brctl |
| 22:43.55 | shalkie | jalbretsen: When I was doing some bridging I created a ifcfg-br0 file along with ifcfg-p3p1. |
| 22:45.56 | tensai | resplin_: had the same problem with my mythtv |
| 22:47.23 | shalkie | Tene: VirtualBox has a nice looking interface... And that is all that really matters, right? :-D |
| 22:47.44 | jalbretsen | shalkie: Is did the same thing, and it blew up |
| 22:48.06 | tensai | virtualbox does what I need it to. *shrug* |
| 22:48.18 | Tene | shalkie: oh yeah I forgot about that |
| 22:48.47 | jalbretsen | method works great on my servers that don't use NM |
| 22:50.07 | jalbretsen | resplin_ / shalkie: Yes..... I'll need to do the compressed air thing when I get home. Good idea. |
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| 22:51.37 | shalkie | jalbretsen: What distro are you on? |
| 22:53.10 | jalbretsen | F16 |
| 22:53.37 | shalkie | NM_CONTROLLED="no" perhaps? |
| 22:54.03 | shalkie | Just as a passing thought. |
| 22:54.39 | Tene | or just disable networkmanager if you don't want to use it |
| 22:54.50 | shalkie | Is true... |
| 22:55.19 | shalkie | But I find that NM does a nice job with the wifi. |
| 22:55.39 | shalkie | shrugs |
| 22:56.08 | jalbretsen | ya, that's my issue, NM is nice since I go everywhere with this thing |
| 22:56.52 | jalbretsen | I was going to try NM_CONTROLLED="no" next, my reading suggests F16 knows how to handle that with a bridge |
| 22:57.33 | jalbretsen | I'll have to bring the bridge up and down manually then I guess, but I can live with that |
| 22:57.40 | ezakimak | i've never used nm. i've used wpa_supplicant_gui a few times, but not generally needed anything special |
| 22:58.13 | shalkie | Someday soon I will install a fedora newer then 13... ;-) |
| 22:58.46 | jalbretsen | I thought I was a year old until a minute ago when i checked and found F18 is still in alpha |
| 22:59.08 | jalbretsen | so I can get some extended life on 16 |
| 22:59.58 | shalkie | I gather there are some big changes ahead for you then. But that is the Fedora life. |
| 23:01.51 | Tene | I upgraded from 15 to 17 a few weeks ago. Completely uneventful. |
| 23:03.29 | shalkie | I understand that all the services are handled by systemd in 17. No more sysv scripts. |
| 23:04.02 | Tene | That's mostly true; there are still a couple around. |
| 23:04.03 | shalkie | That is actually probably the biggest change I can think of. |
| 23:04.51 | shalkie | Hmm... Well I am probably going to be a new netbook next week. I guess a new version of Fedora would be good on it. |
| 23:07.31 | shalkie | s/be a/be getting a/ |
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