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| 00:26.46 | bonez2046 | I am a bit rusty with apt-get... I need to install a specific version, of bitlbee, let's say it's version 3.0.13-1 .. just hypothetically.. how would I install that specific version? would it be apt-get install bitlbee=3.0.13-1 or something else? what's the format? |
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| 01:15.17 | bonez2046 | How would I resolve these? >> http://pastebin.com/dWauQ5fa |
| 01:15.19 | brac | [root@fyrenice:~# apt-get install bitlbee=3.0.4+devel+848-1 Reading package list - Pastebin.com] |
| 01:18.05 | bonez2046 | brac: running that > apt-get install bitlbee=3.0.4+devel+848-1 < creates what's listed in the pastebin |
| 01:22.04 | bonez2046 | So, clearly there are unmet dependencies. I have attempted to install each one.. of the other packages.. but they are all problematic |
| 01:30.47 | bonez2046 | any ideas, brac, or anyone else? |
| 01:35.16 | sontek | I think the proper way is to use a real distro with rpm based package management! ;) |
| 01:35.36 | sontek | but yeah, you just apt-get install package=version |
| 01:35.53 | bonez2046 | rpm? but I run ubuntu |
| 01:36.03 | bonez2046 | and thus use apt instead of rpm |
| 01:36.06 | sontek | Make sure you get the right version to use |
| 01:36.12 | sontek | see, thats your first problem ;) |
| 01:36.17 | bonez2046 | that's the question though.. |
| 01:36.23 | sontek | do apt-cache showpkg <package> |
| 01:36.26 | sontek | that'll show you all your versions |
| 01:36.53 | bonez2046 | awesome |
| 01:37.30 | bonez2046 | the question to follow then, is how to clean up the older versions and just have the newest version running |
| 01:38.32 | bonez2046 | I am grateful for the help, sontek |
| 01:39.01 | bonez2046 | brb |
| 01:40.03 | sontek | bonez2046: apt-get --purge remove <package> to clear out a package, I'm not sure if it takes version numbers though |
| 01:40.04 | sontek | it should |
| 01:40.11 | sontek | I don't run debian based distros anymore |
| 01:40.16 | sontek | should work though |
| 02:41.10 | bonez2046 | sontek: so I would purge with that, and then reinstall? |
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| 03:17.44 | bonez2046 | sontek: where could you point me to read and get a thorough understanding of package management.. |
| 03:18.09 | sontek | bonez2046: man apt-get |
| 03:18.27 | bonez2046 | ok |
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| 03:31.54 | sontek | I think thats seriously the best resource |
| 03:32.01 | sontek | just gotta know how to use man |
| 03:32.37 | sontek | also apt-cache |
| 03:48.50 | Heartsbane | sontek is of the devil |
| 03:51.21 | sontek | .deb is the devil! |
| 03:51.25 | sontek | .rpm is the future |
| 03:51.29 | sontek | the future is now! |
| 03:52.31 | Heartsbane | now is now, the future is fatal |
| 03:53.24 | Heartsbane | but .deb is demonic |
| 03:53.59 | peno | Heartsbane is demonic |
| 03:55.02 | Heartsbane | whatever |
| 03:55.30 | peno | it's a good thing |
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| 05:23.38 | Keighvin | Howdy folks |
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| 16:53.36 | sjansen | The wife of one of my students has a donut shop. |
| 16:53.56 | jima | ... |
| 16:53.58 | sjansen | I just had a candy cane/peppermint/chocolate donut. :-) |
| 16:54.17 | jima | that sounds interesting. |
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| 16:55.02 | sjansen | One of maple & bacon donut has been taunting me for the last two hours. I think I'm going to give in. |
| 16:55.42 | sjansen | Okay, it's official. I'm so doomed I can't even write a coherent sentence. |
| 16:55.59 | craigj | *you will give in. No more thinking |
| 17:13.16 | eightyeight | maple & bacon ftw |
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| 17:38.21 | sjansen | WTF? |
| 17:38.48 | sjansen | I just stopped class for lunch. Most of the students left to grab food. But one of the students... |
| 17:39.03 | sjansen | One of my students just started playing a motivational speaker on his laptop. |
| 17:39.30 | jsmith | sjansen: What, you're not motivational enough? |
| 17:39.52 | eightyeight | jsmith: why are you asking sjansen? |
| 17:40.03 | sjansen | Oh, great, I was wrong. |
| 17:40.39 | sjansen | He's not a motivational speaker. He's a political talk show host. |
| 17:41.24 | sjansen | "I'm going to stop preaching. blah blah blah Iran blah blah Obama blah blah X-Men First Class blah blah blah" |
| 17:41.50 | sjansen | wishes it were a motivational speaker instead |
| 17:59.08 | macnewbold | http://www.youtube.com/user/AlgoRythmics/videos |
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| 18:01.32 | shalkie | sjansen: He put Obama and Iran upto the standars of X-Men First Class? |
| 18:01.46 | shalkie | isn't sure how to equate that. |
| 18:02.16 | sjansen | Actually, X-Men First Class was "proof" that torture can be appropriate and effective. |
| 18:04.09 | fugue88 | starts to write a script to "prove" what *he* wants... |
| 18:04.45 | fugue88 | "I'm not a torturer, but I play one on TV." |
| 18:04.48 | shalkie | They did end up assassinating at least one person. So I guess there is some more parallel then is immediately obvious. |
| 18:05.05 | shalkie | s/some // |
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| 19:51.25 | unum | forget his headphones and can't listen to jon stuart |
| 19:51.35 | unum | aaaah I'll do it anyways |
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| 21:00.10 | goozbach | lenovo tablets: worth it? |
| 21:02.49 | eightyeight | ooh, i want one, so i hope so |
| 21:03.34 | jsmith | goozbach: Buy one and let me know :-) |
| 21:06.36 | goozbach | jsmith: I went so far as to price one out (all the bells and whistles) $1400 for the top-end tablet, keyboard folio case, docking bay, mobile internet, tablet pen, wifi, and 3yr on-site repair warranty |
| 21:06.53 | goozbach | that's almost *ALMOST* worth it |
| 21:09.49 | goozbach | sjansen: found a laptop with more than 900 vertical pixels? |
| 21:13.16 | sjansen | goozbach: Macbook Pro and Dell *mumble* were all I found. |
| 21:13.56 | eightyeight | i was surprised when i found you had an ipad. so, you might as well go full throttle, and get the macbook pro |
| 21:14.29 | sjansen | $1400 for a laptop you're happy with? Go for it! Don't let the fact that it's possible to buy $300 pieces of junk these days. Remember just 5 years ago when you would have been happy to spend only $1400. |
| 21:14.48 | goozbach | sjansen: it's a tablet |
| 21:14.51 | goozbach | running android |
| 21:15.03 | goozbach | just happens to have a laptop-like keyboard |
| 21:15.10 | sjansen | Unfortunately when I was pricing things, I wouldn't find anything I was happy with for < $3000. |
| 21:15.24 | goozbach | I've been thinking macbook pro |
| 21:15.26 | goozbach | for some time now |
| 21:15.47 | sjansen | My of my students this week has an Asus Transformer. It's a really nice looking piece of hardware, but it could never be my primary system. |
| 21:16.25 | goozbach | I'm on my way right now to buy a new battery for my t61p |
| 21:16.31 | goozbach | that machine has been way nice to me |
| 21:17.03 | sjansen | goozbach, eightyeight: There's a high probability that I'll eventually break down and buy a Macbook Pro. But I love my T61p so much I don't want to give it up. If I can get another year out of it I'd be ecstatic. |
| 21:17.54 | sjansen | My T61p is on its third battery. Bought a new one just 2 weeks ago. |
| 21:18.20 | goozbach | where did you buy yours? |
| 21:18.37 | goozbach | I'm going to pick mine up at batteries plus |
| 21:18.44 | sjansen | Batteries Plus |
| 21:18.56 | goozbach | good to know |
| 21:19.05 | sjansen | Be careful, they have two different batteries that use the same model number. |
| 21:19.13 | goozbach | oh? |
| 21:19.22 | goozbach | I want the 9-cell |
| 21:19.27 | sjansen | Take your laptop with and make sure the one they gives you fits. |
| 21:19.34 | goozbach | ah crap! |
| 21:19.39 | goozbach | left the laptop home |
| 21:20.35 | sjansen | COM10027A, right? |
| 21:20.46 | goozbach | not certian |
| 21:20.54 | goozbach | I do have the fru from the battery |
| 21:20.59 | eightyeight | i'm still on my first battery with my t61 |
| 21:21.01 | goozbach | so I can match against that |
| 21:21.25 | sjansen | The first time I bought from Batteries Plus they knew about the screwy model number and told me to bring my laptop. |
| 21:21.27 | eightyeight | although, i haven't probably used it as extensively as others, and it only holds about 20 minutes on a full charge |
| 21:21.55 | eightyeight | i ♥ my t61. i will hate seeing it give up the ghost |
| 21:22.03 | sjansen | This last time, they didn't know and I forgot. They gave me the wrong battery. Had to do a return trip to exchange it. |
| 21:22.12 | goozbach | they'll exchange it? |
| 21:22.18 | goozbach | if it don't work? |
| 21:22.32 | sjansen | They should. It's their suppliers fault, not yours. |
| 21:22.45 | goozbach | okey |
| 21:22.48 | goozbach | not to worry then |
| 21:22.51 | goozbach | takes off |
| 21:23.12 | sjansen | I mean honestly, who reuses a part number for two physically different batteries? |
| 21:23.32 | goozbach | eeek |
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| 21:35.13 | unum | anyone watch last nights debate? |
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| 22:20.15 | sontek | nope, did they find someone new to run yet? |
| 22:32.25 | bonez2046 | Bachman and Santorum would round on the ticket for me.. prez and vice |
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| 22:58.05 | unum | the debate last night was gingrich - hunstman no one else |
| 22:58.11 | unum | and from what I've read not much of a debate |
| 22:58.18 | unum | more a foreign policy forum |
| 23:00.56 | bonez2046 | huntsman is a long shot, and he's very iffy about his LDS church membership, ambivalent really; gingrich is a progressive (read socialist) akin to TR and WW .... his would be more of the status quo |
| 23:16.41 | rsimpkin1 | bonez2046: I'm curious why you would pick or not pick a candidate based soley on his religious participation or non-participation. |
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| 23:18.53 | pdayton | I'm also curious, what is it about Huntsman being iffy about his LDS church membership that might worry you? |
| 23:19.59 | rsimpkin1 | I guess that was too strong a statement. bonez2046 actually qualitifed that he wasn't soley suggesting hutsman was a bad pick only for his religion, but also because he is a long shot. |
| 23:20.14 | rsimpkin1 | And that is true. |
| 23:20.43 | rsimpkin1 | Couldn't the same thing be said about several other GOP candidates though? |
| 23:21.34 | mahelious | i honestly dont see a single candidate the GOP's put up that could seriously contend Obama. |
| 23:21.44 | rsimpkin1 | I think this will come down to a Ron Paul/Rick Perry/Mitt Romney race near the end. |
| 23:22.10 | mahelious | romney's probably the closest thing, but being mormon is fairly off-putting to the GOP's rank-n-file |
| 23:22.28 | pdayton | I think Rick Perry is going to have a lot of problems gaining any traction. |
| 23:22.35 | rsimpkin1 | mahelious: Not as much as it use to be. Certainly some percentage points, but Romney gains in other areas. |
| 23:22.46 | pdayton | He comes across as fairly ignorant on a wide range of issues. |
| 23:23.12 | rsimpkin1 | pdayton: If you know anything about the political life of Perry, it would be wise for his fellow contendors to not discount him. |
| 23:23.38 | rsimpkin1 | He switched from democrat to republican, was wrapped up in scandal after scandal, and still he survives. |
| 23:24.59 | rsimpkin1 | He is a very savvy politician. Not sure how he would be as a president, but as a politician he is quite adept. |
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| 23:26.06 | pdayton | His presidential campaign has been very unimpressive. |
| 23:26.29 | rsimpkin1 | Honestly, I feel we have bigger problems to deal with. I can't believe we flew a drone over Iran, it got captured, and we had the nerve to ask for it back. |
| 23:28.21 | rsimpkin1 | I also don't understand why we were running covert missions in to Iran with very expensive and sensitive drones and had no way to ensure destruction of one that was lost. |
| 23:30.19 | rsimpkin1 | I'm curious if anyone thinks we will NOT end up in some kind of military engagement with Iran. |
| 23:32.06 | fozzmoo | If we elect Ron Paul we won't. :) |
| 23:32.38 | fozzmoo | As for the drone, our president should have had the cahones to push the self-destruct button himself. |
| 23:32.53 | fozzmoo | can't spell cajones. |
| 23:33.28 | rsimpkin1 | I want our military and intelligence services to be perfect in their operation. When they aren't, it is always a dissapointment. |
| 23:34.14 | fozzmoo | It would help if they had a clear purpose. |
| 23:34.21 | fozzmoo | WTF are they doing in Afghanistan? |
| 23:34.28 | fozzmoo | Or most anywhere else, for that matter. |
| 23:34.33 | rsimpkin1 | fozzmoo: Using it as a testing range for new weapons. Obviously. |
| 23:34.38 | fozzmoo | They should be here, along the southern border. |
| 23:34.48 | rsimpkin1 | Because... why? |
| 23:34.58 | fozzmoo | Because of El Narco. |
| 23:35.06 | rsimpkin1 | Why along the border? |
| 23:35.11 | rsimpkin1 | I don't see that solving the issue. |
| 23:35.23 | fozzmoo | It'd be a better use of our military than what they're doing now. |
| 23:35.28 | fozzmoo | It'd protect American lives. |
| 23:35.42 | rsimpkin1 | How? |
| 23:36.33 | fozzmoo | How? Keeping El Narco out of the US would help prevent needless violence from being perpetrated against Americans. |
| 23:37.00 | rsimpkin1 | Yes, but you see, I don't see how putting soldiers along the US border will keep Mexican drug cartels out. |
| 23:37.04 | fozzmoo | As well as trespassing on private citizen's property by armed Mexican nationals. |
| 23:37.27 | fozzmoo | It won't... |
| 23:37.36 | fozzmoo | but it'll make their jobs a great deal more difficult |
| 23:38.00 | rsimpkin1 | I think the difficulty is all on our side. |
| 23:38.07 | rsimpkin1 | They seem to have a quite easy time of it. |
| 23:38.11 | mahelious | how about we pull our troops back and then cut the military, and their budget, by at least a quarter |
| 23:38.25 | rsimpkin1 | mahelious: Why only a quarter? |
| 23:38.38 | mahelious | or i guess we could spend $600 billion on border patrol |
| 23:39.05 | rsimpkin1 | If we are only going to be concerned about immediate issues here within our own borders, and ignore all US interestes outside our borders, why do we need much of a military at all? |
| 23:39.14 | rsimpkin1 | In case Canada invades? |
| 23:39.18 | fozzmoo | In light of things going on in the world, our military needs the best defensive capabilities it can get. |
| 23:39.49 | rsimpkin1 | The best defense is apparently a good offense... blah blah. |
| 23:40.05 | mahelious | one quarter of current spending is ~$150 billion |
| 23:40.10 | fozzmoo | I wouldn't be surprised if people in Europe start blaming the US for all their woes in the next few months. |
| 23:40.17 | rsimpkin1 | mahelious: That seems far too little to me. |
| 23:40.52 | rsimpkin1 | What I don't get here is the way we make decisions. What is our standard and expecation of our government. |
| 23:41.10 | rsimpkin1 | We need to raise the bar on evidence, facts, reasoned debate, etc. |
| 23:41.25 | mahelious | put that against the national debt for a decade and...well itd make a sliver of a difference, but makes more sense than anything else the gov does atm |
| 23:41.34 | fozzmoo | IMO, we've had too many Neocon administrations that believe its our responsibility to spread freedom by putting boots on the ground. |
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| 23:41.58 | rsimpkin1 | "It can't be worse than doing what we are doing now" does not seem a really compelling argument for doing much of anything. You might as well do nothing. |
| 23:42.31 | rsimpkin1 | I think that is just how they are selling it. I don't think that is what is really happening. |
| 23:43.00 | fozzmoo | Historians will say that the success of the American experiment during the industrial revolution and into the 20th century did more to promote the cause of liberty around the world than any armed occupation ever did. |
| 23:43.27 | rsimpkin1 | What is the number one export of the United States? |
| 23:43.48 | fozzmoo | Porn or Lady Gaga. I can't remember which one. |
| 23:43.57 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 23:44.51 | rsimpkin1 | hehe. Well, at least we have our personal priorities in order. |
| 23:44.55 | fozzmoo | But seriously, after we found Saddam Hussein in that spiderhole, we should have just airdropped some books on the US Constitution - writings of our founding fathers, what have you, and high tailed out of there. |
| 23:45.30 | rsimpkin1 | People with years of experience, lots of knowledge, and a great deal of wisdom suggested that would be a terrible move. |
| 23:45.38 | rsimpkin1 | Why were they wrong? |
| 23:45.48 | unum | I think movies and tv shows are our main export |
| 23:45.50 | unum | and software |
| 23:45.51 | stderr- | < fozzmoo> In light of things going on in the world, our military needs the best defensive capabilities it can get. |
| 23:45.54 | stderr- | lol |
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| 23:46.06 | fozzmoo | stderr-: Why do you lol? |
| 23:46.16 | JoshH | rsimpkin1: did you hear the stuff about how iran claims they were able to get control over the drone? makes you wonder what kind of security is involved |
| 23:46.29 | JoshH | but some people think we basicalyl let them have it just to test their detection capabilities |
| 23:46.35 | JoshH | quite a few different semi-conspiracies about it |
| 23:46.46 | fozzmoo | I wouldn't put it past Obummer. |
| 23:46.50 | rsimpkins | JoshH: I'm guessing total government contractor ineptitude and am going to say Iran has everything they wanted, unencrypted. |
| 23:46.55 | stderr- | fozzmoo: because our defensive capabilities are fantastically enormous, and outweigh any known threat in the world. |
| 23:46.59 | stderr- | far, far outweigh. |
| 23:47.02 | rsimpkins | JoshH: I'm also guessing China or Russia is helping. |
| 23:47.04 | unum | the US version of events is that we were flying a drone in western afganastan and it's systems failed and it crash landed on the other side of the border |
| 23:47.05 | fozzmoo | "Don't do anything before the 2012 election and I'll give you a drone." |
| 23:47.05 | JoshH | rsimpkins: i think that is most likely though |
| 23:47.25 | unum | not saying I believe it but that is the official line |
| 23:47.27 | JoshH | rsimpkins: there was some article about how russia sold iran some truck mounted drone detection/communication/control kits of some kidn |
| 23:47.47 | fozzmoo | stderr-: That's been the prevailing belief for a long time, but we're losing on several fronts. |
| 23:47.48 | rsimpkins | JoshH: China could be helping them use it. |
| 23:47.56 | stderr- | fozzmoo: Which? |
| 23:47.57 | rsimpkins | JoshH: I'd be shocked if our drone doesn't end up in a lab in China. |
| 23:48.07 | rsimpkins | JoshH: They'd pay top dollar to Iran for something like that. |
| 23:48.19 | stderr- | I'm extremely well-versed in our military and foreign militaries. Enlighten me. |
| 23:48.28 | JoshH | probably. but it's probably not quite as sensitive as people fear either |
| 23:48.36 | JoshH | it doesn't even have actual stealth tech |
| 23:48.37 | fozzmoo | I suspect our government's cyberwarfare skill level is deplorable compared to other countries' |
| 23:49.02 | JoshH | fozzmoo: when i see military network/systems guys talking about the mess it all is, i think that too |
| 23:49.25 | stderr- | I'll give you that. I'm talking about where 99% of the defense budget goes to. |
| 23:49.31 | rsimpkins | I talked with some people who came in to the White House after Bush. They said it was scarry just how terrible it was. |
| 23:49.38 | stderr- | 11 carrier battle groups that could demolish any country in the world |
| 23:49.44 | fozzmoo | Network security is a perfect example of how private companies can do a better job at something than the government can dream of doing. |
| 23:49.47 | rsimpkins | They said the IT infrustructure basically didn't exist. What was there didn't work, at all. |
| 23:49.47 | stderr- | An air force that has no rival even close. |
| 23:49.51 | JoshH | the bush white house just plain lost years worth of email, remember? |
| 23:49.56 | rsimpkins | They used paper and sneaker networks to get stuff done. |
| 23:51.06 | fozzmoo | When Obama is out, they'll say the same thing about that administration. This is government operations. It doesn't come with efficiency. |
| 23:51.07 | rsimpkins | Based on what I've heard, it is a wonder the Bush white house even had e-mail. |
| 23:51.29 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I've talked with IT workers in the Obama government. |
| 23:51.31 | fozzmoo | They had no 'W' keys on any of their keyboards. :) |
| 23:51.38 | bonez2046 | rsimpkins: Glad to respond and sorry for the delay: I would never pick someone, whether to be my President, or rework my car's braking system or to adjust my spine or to handle my banking, etc., based solely on the other's religion, or whether he or she participated or was active in or not, in our shared beliefs. If he or she is active and known to be highly committed and devout that might sway me, but it would be one factor a |
| 23:51.40 | rsimpkins | We've met at a few Enterprise events, etc. |
| 23:52.24 | fozzmoo | I have two friends who work for private companies that congress contracts with to do IT. |
| 23:52.34 | JoshH | bonez aside, huntsman's "ambivalent" mormonism has definitely been a huge problem for many, based on ksl/desnews comments i've seen |
| 23:52.37 | rsimpkins | Congress is a wreck too, from what I hear. |
| 23:52.39 | fozzmoo | I'm happy knowing that stuff is at least being outsourced. |
| 23:52.45 | bonez2046 | If the candidate were atheist, but said they firmly support the constitution, including the freedom of all to worship as they choose, I'd vote for them.. |
| 23:53.02 | fozzmoo | bonez2046: You've almost got Ron Paul there. |
| 23:53.16 | fozzmoo | I know he's Christian, but he's clearly not made religion a staple of his platform. |
| 23:53.18 | bonez2046 | we need to toss the whole gang out, and start over.. with fresh participants. |
| 23:53.33 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I've read Ron Paul's web site. I didn't leave whit that impression at all. |
| 23:53.40 | bonez2046 | I admire Dr. Paul, but he's a nightmare for foreign policy... |
| 23:53.41 | unum | I have a hard time buying other countries are a head of in "cybewar" capabilties |
| 23:53.45 | fozzmoo | Agreed. |
| 23:53.48 | rsimpkins | If that is what he really thinks, that isn't the message that is being communicated. |
| 23:53.51 | fozzmoo | Sarah Palin even said that. |
| 23:54.00 | unum | but I believe we were involved in stuxnet |
| 23:54.35 | unum | as a liberal I of course believe the opposite he has some good ideas on foreign policy, good ideas on civil liberties, bad ideas on enviroment and economy |
| 23:54.43 | fozzmoo | We probably paid some covert South Korean lab to do stuxnet. :) |
| 23:55.02 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: Any whoo, these IT guys working in the white house say the biggest challenge they have is budget. |
| 23:55.10 | bonez2046 | I'll vote for the man or woman who has the BALLS to do the job, without worrying about popularity contests, but will make the tough decisions.. for the best of every citizen.. |
| 23:55.21 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: Obama would say the same thing. |
| 23:55.22 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: They said they are constantly dealing with loads of rules and regulations they have to try to comply with, legal issues, etc. |
| 23:55.31 | fozzmoo | "Can't do anything. They won't give me enough money to do it with." |
| 23:55.37 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I'm talking about just the IT issues, not the politics. |
| 23:55.40 | bonez2046 | obama could never have enough money |
| 23:55.45 | fozzmoo | bonez2046++ |
| 23:55.50 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: It is not a job I'd want - for any president - ever. |
| 23:55.58 | bonez2046 | I'd never want the job either |
| 23:56.16 | fozzmoo | But if I had to give the job to someone, I'd want someone who clearly knew how to manage budgets. |
| 23:56.17 | rsimpkins | They said they are constantly working with old systems and no budget to replace or improve them. |
| 23:56.20 | bonez2046 | couldn't pay or bribe me to occupy the oval orifice! |
| 23:56.28 | unum | rand paul thinks we should go back to the clinton budget |
| 23:56.31 | fozzmoo | Someone who knew how to maximize output with as little input as possible. |
| 23:56.39 | unum | undo all the massive spending increases of george bush |
| 23:56.40 | rsimpkins | Even if some capex would fix big opex costs, the politics of the budget make it impossible to do. |
| 23:57.15 | fozzmoo | I like Paul's idea of nuking some of the big departments - turning over dominion to the states. |
| 23:57.20 | JoshH | america's problems are simply beyond the capabilities of any one man right now |
| 23:57.22 | unum | very few politicians are willing to talk real numbers when it comes to the budget |
| 23:57.26 | JoshH | even the best president of all time wouldn't be able to fix much |
| 23:57.33 | unum | Perry was willing to talk about killing departments |
| 23:57.39 | fozzmoo | Ron Paul too. |
| 23:57.41 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: I think it is a reasonable idea to maintain, but I'd need to see a lot more proof than some fanatical emotional hand waving. |
| 23:57.50 | fozzmoo | Ron Paul can even remember the depts he wants to nuke. :) |
| 23:57.59 | unum | yep |
| 23:58.03 | stderr- | you mean Rick Perry |
| 23:58.09 | unum | and that's why Ron Paul will never get elected |
| 23:58.15 | JoshH | bonez2046: so you really think bachmann/santorum would be the ideal ticket? |
| 23:58.15 | unum | probably the same for Rick Perry |
| 23:58.38 | stderr- | err, read that as "can't" |
| 23:58.39 | unum | most republicans only like to hear politicians talk about cutting the budget |
| 23:58.41 | fozzmoo | I know. I like Ron Paul (except for the foreign policy stuff). I hope whoever gets elected either makes him VP or Secretary of the Treasury. |
| 23:58.46 | unum | as soon as they do it they get really bad |
| 23:59.08 | fozzmoo | Perry is DOA, IMO. Probably as much as Huntsman ever was. |
| 23:59.13 | unum | name the last republican president to actually cut spending |
| 23:59.22 | JoshH | romney will definitely get the nomination, imo |
| 23:59.28 | JoshH | but he'll lose to obama |
| 23:59.32 | bonez2046 | JoshH: at this point, they espouse my beliefs the best.. |
| 23:59.40 | unum | I think that's why a lot of people like Gingrich, he has cut a federal budget before, only republican to do so |
| 23:59.55 | unum | JoshH: what makes you so sure it will be romney? |
| 23:59.57 | JoshH | bonez2046: what about all the idiotic, just plain wrong things bachmann has said? |