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| 19:01.05 | goozbach | anyone installed Fedora 16 via CD yet? |
| 19:01.10 | goozbach | s/CD/DVD/ |
| 19:01.23 | goozbach | it just took over a minute for anaconda to boot for some reason |
| 19:01.26 | goozbach | weird |
| 19:01.30 | fozzmoo | Yeah. A few times. |
| 19:01.32 | jsmith | goozbach: That is weird |
| 19:01.48 | fozzmoo | I haven't had any problems. I don't like the lack of feedback from the installer. |
| 19:02.00 | fozzmoo | Nothing raises suspicions more than a blank screen. |
| 19:02.16 | jsmith | fozzmoo: That's OK, anaconda is scheduled to have a complete UI rewrite shortly :-/ |
| 19:02.19 | fozzmoo | well, I'm sure there are things that raise suspicions more... |
| 19:02.26 | fozzmoo | but that didn't make me feel good. |
| 19:02.39 | fozzmoo | Maybe if it was bright blue. Yeah, that'd calm me down. ;-) |
| 19:03.22 | fozzmoo | I think I've done a couple NFS installs booting from the DVD with 'askmethod' parameter. |
| 19:03.29 | fozzmoo | No problems with those either. |
| 19:03.45 | fozzmoo | installing from an ISO over NFS is a little faster than from a physically connected DVD drive. |
| 19:03.57 | fozzmoo | Sad, but true. |
| 19:04.45 | sjansen | s/a little faster/a lot faster/ |
| 19:05.10 | goozbach | weird |
| 19:09.21 | goozbach | my dvd just verified |
| 19:09.24 | goozbach | took FOREVER |
| 19:12.03 | sjansen | Anyone know how to setting a lower screen resolution for GDM in this brave new xorg.conf-less age? |
| 19:16.02 | goozbach | how brave am I to enable testing updates repo? |
| 19:17.00 | jsmith | goozbach: Shouldn't be too bad, now that we "fixed" the glibc maintainer |
| 19:17.16 | goozbach | oh ok |
| 19:18.21 | sjansen | jsmith: Are you talking a software tool or Ulrich Drepper? |
| 19:18.43 | jsmith | sjansen: Neither... |
| 19:18.53 | jsmith | sjansen: Ulrich is no longer w/ Red Hat |
| 19:19.06 | jsmith | sjansen: And the new glibc package maintainer has some communications issues |
| 19:19.15 | jsmith | sjansen: (and general development workflow issue) |
| 19:19.53 | jsmith | sjansen: So, with the explicit support of his managers at Red Hat, we took away his packaging privileges for glibc |
| 19:20.04 | jsmith | sjansen: And since then, no major regressions in glibc packages :-) |
| 19:20.33 | jsmith | (whereas before, 10 of the previous 13 packages had to be pulled because of regressions) |
| 19:20.58 | jsmith | That made using updates-testing a bit dicey for a few months |
| 19:21.25 | JoshH | sheesh |
| 19:22.30 | sjansen | Well lookey there, Drepper left more than a year ago. |
| 19:22.52 | jsmith | sjansen: Yup... |
| 19:24.13 | sjansen | wonders what all of this means for eglibc |
| 19:24.22 | goozbach | well let's see what happens wit my install |
| 19:24.25 | goozbach | buhahah! |
| 19:24.27 | JoshH | how did that go? "hi, ya, i run fedora, and um, ya, the glibc guy keeps breaking stuff, can you uh, take care of that?" |
| 19:24.41 | goozbach | first time since fedora 5 I've done a fresh install |
| 19:24.50 | goozbach | been doing upgrades |
| 19:25.02 | goozbach | http://www.vice.com/read/what-makes-a-fart |
| 19:25.05 | brac | [What Makes a Fart? | VICE] |
| 19:26.06 | jsmith | JoshH: I won't bore you with the details. Let's just say it was an effort, and I'm glad it's done. |
| 19:26.44 | JoshH | goozbach, i didn't realize there was that much to know |
| 19:26.55 | JoshH | now i'm enlightened |
| 19:27.08 | goozbach | I'm supprised there's a fart doctor |
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| 20:10.46 | goozbach | I love that I'm upgrading my box, wiping things away and my homedir hasn't been touched! |
| 20:10.52 | goozbach | multiple partitions FTW |
| 20:10.57 | goozbach | well logical volumes |
| 20:11.01 | goozbach | but the sentiment stands |
| 20:14.19 | sjansen | Yeah, that's part of the reason I'm not sure I'm ready for an LVM-free future. |
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| 20:29.32 | goozbach | upgrade success T |
| 20:29.34 | goozbach | P |
| 20:35.39 | goozbach | now to figure out this systemd stuff |
| 20:36.30 | goozbach | guess I just use service |
| 20:36.32 | goozbach | hmm |
| 20:36.44 | goozbach | I'm gonna need to re-do my pantscript to deal with systemd |
| 20:37.08 | goozbach | thankfully tab completion works with servicce |
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| 20:39.43 | bonez2046 | What could cause really slow loading when I shut down Firefox and then restart .. and then load a page? |
| 20:39.58 | bonez2046 | takes at least 10 seconds to load a new page after restarting firefox.. |
| 20:43.08 | fugue88 | bonez2046: Firefox (at least in the 3.x series) took a long time to load up if you had a huge history. |
| 20:43.50 | fugue88 | Seems like there was a setting to keep less history, can't find it... |
| 20:45.05 | fugue88 | bonez2046: In preferences, Privacy tab, "remember my browsing history for at least __ days" |
| 20:45.09 | fugue88 | Try making that smaller. |
| 20:46.15 | fugue88 | Or in about:config you'll find that (browser.history_expire_days_min) and a hard-limit, browser.history_expire_days |
| 20:46.28 | fugue88 | And similar. |
| 20:47.16 | jsmith | sjansen, goozbach: If either of you have questions you'd like to ask of the Fedora Board candidates, let me know :-) (or anybody else, for that matter) |
| 20:47.40 | fugue88 | This feeds into the AwesomeBar. It might be the biggest or 2nd biggest file in your browser's profile directory. My places.sqlite is 24 MiB. |
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| 21:18.51 | goozbach | my new goal is to post the questions I have to look up as ask.fedora questions |
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| 21:19.14 | goozbach | I think I remember the answer to this, but I'm posting it there to make sure I've got it. |
| 21:19.16 | goozbach | http://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/428/how-do-i-disable-suspend-when-my-laptop-is-plugged |
| 21:19.21 | brac | [how do I disable suspend when my laptop is plugged in and closed? - Ask Fedora: Community Knowledge Base and Support Forum] |
| 21:33.50 | fozzmoo | sjansen: LVM-free future? |
| 21:36.14 | sjansen | btrfs has integrated volume management |
| 21:36.41 | sjansen | IIRC, Fedora announced that when btrfs becomes default, LVM won't be used by default anymore. |
| 21:37.38 | fugue88 | I highly doubt I'll ever use btrfs on my disks. |
| 21:37.56 | sjansen | Using LVM adds several seconds to the boot process. Between that and btrfs providing similar flexibility (as long as you only use btrfs), there's incentive to eliminate LVM. |
| 21:38.49 | sjansen | fugue88: That's a strange proclamation. Planning on sticking with NTFS or HFS+ instead? |
| 21:38.58 | fugue88 | heh |
| 21:39.07 | fugue88 | ext4 for now. We'll see what comes later. |
| 21:40.10 | fugue88 | From the beginning, the btrfs looked like an effort that was full of arrogance and "academic theory" without much in substance or experience. |
| 21:40.31 | goozbach | sjansen: and what's the problem with btrfs lvm-esc management? |
| 21:40.33 | fugue88 | The way the development has played out in such a rocky manner is completely unsurprising to me. |
| 21:40.40 | fugue88 | It reminds me a lot of Diaspora. |
| 21:41.23 | fugue88 | is sure he sounds arrogant as well |
| 21:42.05 | jsmith | fugue88: Open source development isn't the most efficient way -- it just happens to be more sustainable over the long term. |
| 21:42.13 | jsmith | fugue88: But you already know that :-) |
| 21:42.18 | fugue88 | jsmith: Oh yeah, I do know. :) |
| 21:42.39 | fugue88 | But for any given goal (filesystems here), some projects will be misguided, and others won't. |
| 21:42.54 | fugue88 | I'll just have to see how btrfs and friends play out. |
| 21:44.12 | jsmith | Time will tell... |
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| 21:48.36 | Heartsbane | fugue88 is not an early adopter |
| 21:49.12 | fugue88 | Heartsbane: I never thought of it that way, but you're right. |
| 21:49.42 | fugue88 | likes 1970s technology. ;) |
| 21:50.07 | Heartsbane | facepalms. |
| 21:50.48 | fugue88 | heh |
| 21:50.59 | fozzmoo | It's funny... I recently re-watched Pink Floyd: Live in Pompeii |
| 21:51.17 | Heartsbane | hands fugue88 a Intel 4004. |
| 21:51.22 | fozzmoo | The recent "Lucasization" of the original film includes more interviews with the band members. |
| 21:51.53 | fugue88 | uses the 4004 to... |
| 21:51.56 | fozzmoo | It's fascinating how stigmatized PF was by some elites in the music industry in the late 60s, early 70s, because they used "so much" equipment. |
| 21:52.00 | fugue88 | ~Heartsbane++ |
| 21:52.45 | fozzmoo | I guess there were some that felt anyone with (enough money to buy the) equipment could pull off the same success Pink Floyd had. |
| 21:53.32 | fozzmoo | Sorry for my rambling. The mention of "1970s technology" got me going. :) |
| 21:56.50 | Heartsbane | ~karma Heartsbane |
| 21:56.50 | ibot | heartsbane has karma of 3 |
| 21:57.39 | Heartsbane | :( |
| 21:57.50 | macnewbold | ~Heartsbane++ |
| 21:58.06 | macnewbold | turns that frown upside down |
| 21:58.12 | fugue88 | ): |
| 21:58.13 | fozzmoo | Meh. I probably have a karma of 0. |
| 21:58.18 | fozzmoo | ~karma fozzmoo |
| 21:58.18 | ibot | fozzmoo has karma of 2 |
| 21:58.21 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 21:58.24 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 22:00.01 | Heartsbane | ~karma ie |
| 22:00.01 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 22:00.46 | fugue88 | ~karma comcast |
| 22:00.46 | ibot | comcast has karma of -177 |
| 22:00.55 | fugue88 | ~karma xmission |
| 22:00.55 | ibot | xmission has karma of 25 |
| 22:02.00 | jsmith | ~karma sjansen |
| 22:02.00 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 15 |
| 22:04.34 | jima | ~comcast-- |
| 22:14.36 | goozbach | ~karma tmobile |
| 22:14.36 | ibot | tmobile has karma of -1 |
| 22:14.42 | goozbach | ~tmobile-- |
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| 22:34.58 | shalkie | ~tmobile++ |
| 22:35.06 | shalkie | ~karma tmobile |
| 22:35.06 | ibot | tmobile has karma of -1 |
| 22:35.14 | shalkie | Seems about right. |
| 22:35.58 | shalkie | What? Sjansen has a karma of 15? That is somewhat surprising... |
| 22:36.05 | shalkie | ~karma shalkie |
| 22:36.05 | ibot | shalkie has karma of 1 |
| 22:42.21 | shalkie | ~karma goozbach |
| 22:42.21 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 10 |
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| 23:18.28 | bonez2046 | fugue88: Thanks for the tip... |
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