IRC log for #utah on 20110120

00:08.29Gatehttp://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/01/19/2116252/DSL-Installation-Fail
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00:28.10eightyeighttime cube has been outdone: http://yeswecandvorak.com/
00:32.46shalkieGate: Wow, My DSL modem is actually in my house, but I do loose my DSL connection when it rains or the snow melts. If this is an example of the QWest workmanship then I am reassured that they suck. :-(
00:34.44Gate~qwest--
00:34.50Gatehates qwest
00:35.00shalkie~qwest--
00:35.10shalkiestands in solidarity against qwest
00:35.26shalkieI do tolerate them though for xmission.
00:35.32shalkie~xmission++
00:36.15shalkieOnce Utopia will _FINISH_ building out murray though I will drop qwest like a <insert sexual/drug/rude/religious comment here>.
00:39.27Gatecurses the St George city council
00:40.31Gateshalkie: so do I, but denying me 7mb for 3 is about all I can take
00:40.39Gatemy roomates and I can't co-exist on 3 mb
00:41.00GateI have an ambitious plan that lets me have my cake, pay through the ass for it, and eat it too
00:41.24GateI am going to get a redundant connection then load balance between them.
00:41.45GateA friend down the street managed it and is getting combined  15+ mb out of it
00:41.54Gateof course, Qwest will let HIM have 7...
00:41.59Gate~qwest--
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04:30.44tristanbob_eightyeight, I know the email system is not very powerful, but we are investigating email in the cloud which will greatly improve things
04:30.59tristanbob_eightyeight, but if you want to vent, I can forward the email to the email admin
04:31.10eightyeightmeh
04:31.15eightyeighti've calmed down now
04:31.24eightyeightall i wanted to send was an email with a 6MB attachment
04:31.33eightyeightbut i guess 2 is the limit
04:31.59eightyeightwhich means no sharing anything
04:35.45fugue88tristanbob_: Will this cloud email be webscale?
04:36.18fugue88j/k
04:37.26eightyeightbets on google apps
04:50.37tristanbob_eightyeight, I hear you loud and clear.  I think it is embarrassing, but I am hopeful we will get it corrected soon
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17:19.16cedwardsanyone have any suggestions / experience regarding linux compatible webcams?
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17:27.05sontekI have 1 external webcam and 2 laptops that have built in webcams and all 3 "just work"
17:27.56sontekMy external one is the Microsoft LifeCam HD but its annoying, you can't turn autofocus off in Linux
17:28.21sontekThe others are MacbookPro and an EEEPC
17:28.28cedwardsI've only ever dealth with the built-in in my macbook and eeepc.
17:28.48cedwardswe want to get some linux compatible webcams for our conference rooms here
17:28.58JoshHi haven't had to do anything weird to get any kind of usb device to work with linux for several years now
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17:33.53sontekThe problem for me usually isn't device support, its having good software to record / stream the camera
17:33.58sontekwhich still doesn't exist
17:34.10sontekcheese crashes on all 3 of my cameras when trying to record
17:34.22sontekit can take photos just fine though
17:34.30cedwardsI don't know if we plan on recording.
17:34.33sjansenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8QwSDHw3y4&feature=artist <-- Attn. Portugues speakers and Brasil lovers
17:34.38cedwardsdoes skype do video on linux now? I can't recall.
17:34.48sontekcedwards: Yeah, skype video works just fine
17:34.52sjansenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPrKYwz3Q5s&feature=fvw <-- See also
17:35.03sontekcedwards: as long as you want 1-to-1, it doesnt have the new multiple person video that the windows version has
17:35.40sjansencedwards: Just found out yesterday you're doing sysadmin work for GNOME. Congrats!
17:35.44sontekcedwards: google video also works well
17:37.47cedwardssjansen: yeah. I got hired back in Sept.
17:38.40JoshHare you a bofh there?
17:44.28sontekcedwards: congrats :)
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17:53.40cedwardsit's just part time, but it's a good gig to complement my other employment.
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19:40.35ibotcowers
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19:44.02sjansenvontrapp: Have you been abusing ibot again?
19:44.05sjansen~comfort ibot
19:44.06ibotThere, there, ibot.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
19:45.11goozbachthat has to be one of the saddest things I've seen
19:45.16goozbachibot: forever alone?
19:46.53bofhitThat depends. If the ibot in #utos is a split personality of ibot, then it has the potential for self company...
19:48.21vontrappsjansen: only when i'm around
19:49.49vontrappmy father in law wants to extend his wireless range to reach upstairs better
19:50.20vontrapphe's requested a range extender by name, but how does such a thing compare to just using WDS bridge mode?
19:53.01vontrappfor example, does WDS use separate frequencies and allow full duplexing of signals to maintain full speed?
19:54.28vontrappi guess that would in part depend on the particular router[s] involved, two routers each with only one transceiver could not do it
19:54.51vontrappbut is it possible, with a dual-transceiver unit, to do WDS full speed?
19:59.05vontrappactually, i also recall that he has some cat5 going to the upstairs, so simply plugging in a second router up there would achieve at least as good as the range extender
19:59.23vontrappcould i make it so both routers do the same ssid but perhaps on different frequencies?
20:10.51eightyeightgoozbach: i agree
20:11.09eightyeightibot used two spaces between full stops instead of just one
20:11.24eightyeightsurely, a bot would know it's typography
20:11.29goozbachI just about spit take'd on that
20:18.59Tenesontek: I always use vlc to record/stream webcam video
20:20.11Migsalways?
20:20.56elgsince before you were born anyway
20:20.58sontekTene: I wasn't aware of that as an option
20:26.11TeneMigs: Usually, at least.  I'm sure I've occasionally streamed video using something else.
20:27.56TeneMigs: I was on tinychat last night with some friends, and I know I've done video on skype before, so no, you're right, not always.
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20:54.38eightyeighthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTmSIFkPtYI
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21:17.24Migswins
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21:58.34mheath_Does anyone here have much experience with local IT recruiting companies? I'm looking for a new job, but most of the compatible job postings seem to be ones posted by recruiters, and I'm a bit nervous dealing with those types of groups.
21:58.48goozbachmheath_: Coraid is hiring
21:58.56goozbachif you want to try Athens GA out
21:58.59goozbach:)
21:59.13mheath_Heh, I wouldn't mind it too much.
21:59.29mheath_But I need to find a senior NOC / Helpdesk position, to get something good that I am qualified for.
21:59.47goozbachspeaking of which... we're looking for web designers, javascript gurus, QA doods, C developers, and soforth
22:00.17mheath_Unfortunately I don't have enough programming experience (at least officially on paper) to be qualified for a position like that :(
22:00.36goozbachyou don't need to know about programming to be QA
22:00.41goozbachjust how to break stuff
22:00.44MigsSo you want a senior job without having the qualifications for a senior position?
22:01.05Migsand what does "officially on paper" mean?
22:01.13Migseither you have the qualifications or you don't
22:01.14mheath_Migs, What? No, I have the qualifications for a senior position. Just as a NOC / higher tier helpdesk analyst, etc
22:01.20mheath_Not as a programmer.
22:01.57Migsah, okay
22:02.01mheath_I even have "senior" in my job title at the moment. I just realized that my company pays horribly. The compensation and benefits aren't remotely competitive, and I'm feeling screwed out of advancement opportunities.
22:02.22Migsyeah, that's how it was at my old job.
22:02.29MigsI advanced quickly where I am now, but I'm kind of at the top of where I can go
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22:21.10Jayce^on the same channel, Bluehost is hiring Sr. sysadmins and developers
22:21.27Jayce^and of course, I'd love the referral bonus :-p
22:22.34goozbachesp the sr sysadmin one, no?
22:22.44Jayce^same for the sr devs :)
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23:52.13vontrappis there no way to get symlinks to work over NFS?
23:52.34vontrappno option to have NFS resolve them on the server side and export it as if it were a regular directory or file?
23:52.38macnewboldvontrapp: are you having troubles with symlinks over NFS? I've always been able to use them
23:52.41macnewboldah
23:52.43macnewboldlike that
23:53.22vontrappeven having nfs work with --bind mounts would be a step up
23:53.35macnewboldnot on the server side like that, afaik - hardlinks work, for files at least, but not across filessystems, but you don't have to be exporting the whole fs
23:53.36vontrappbut ideally, i want to tangle NFS with autofs, so symlinks are kindof a must in that case
23:54.08vontrappwhy isn't there an option to allow NFS to cross fs lines?
23:54.38vontrappmacnewbold: well, you can't hardlink across filesystems

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