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| 15:46.54 | sinuhe | Was text removed from the ibot logs? It does not appear to contain conversation text anymore. |
| 15:51.26 | maquis | Okay, I need a recommendation here... |
| 15:51.51 | maquis | I'm setting up some offsite backups with a company, and I'm wanting to encrypt the data I store |
| 15:52.29 | maquis | However, it occurred to me that, if I were to lose my computer, and need to use those backups, then I would need to have my GPG private key |
| 15:52.56 | maquis | But, I don't want to upload my private key, since that would make encrypting the backups kind-of useless |
| 15:53.26 | bonez2046 | maquis: what about storing your key(s) using something like keyring or similar, to keep the key(s) on your cell? |
| 15:54.35 | maquis | bonez2046: still, if there was a fire or something, I can't guarantee that my cell would get out of the house with me... (With a < 1 year old, I'm going to be focused on getting myself and her out, and I don't want to have to think of anything else) |
| 15:56.28 | jsmith | maquis: Put a copy of your private key in a safe deposit box at the bank |
| 15:56.44 | maquis | jsmith: hmmm... that's an interesting idea. how much does that usually cost? |
| 15:56.51 | bonez2046 | 30 bucks a year |
| 15:56.59 | maquis | Hmmm... that's an option |
| 15:57.27 | maquis | I was considering seeing if I could encrypt the private key with something else, but I couldn't think of what encryption I would want to use... |
| 15:57.33 | bonez2046 | just put your key(s) on a thumb drive and hide in a safe place.. |
| 15:57.46 | jsmith | maquis: It's secure, it's offsite, and you can use it for other valuables as well |
| 15:58.39 | maquis | jsmith: true. I can't think of what else I'd want to put there, but I'll definitely have to look into that. |
| 15:58.51 | bonez2046 | secure? not sure how secure a safe deposit box will be in 2 years, but for now it's safe! Even the Swiss are having a hard time keeping private stuff private |
| 16:00.29 | jsmith | maquis: Passports (or copies of them), copies of important docs like tax records, etc. |
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| 16:01.23 | eightyeight | maquis: pgp/gpg is not a good solution for your scenario |
| 16:01.31 | maquis | eightyeight: yeah... i'm figuring that out |
| 16:01.35 | maquis | eightyeight: what do you recommend? |
| 16:01.40 | eightyeight | maquis: you should use something that doesn't require user private/public keys |
| 16:02.00 | maquis | jsmith: interesting... I was going to make electronic copies of that and keep the originals as safe as I can at home... |
| 16:02.01 | eightyeight | maquis: i would recommend a hardware encryption or filesystem encryption layer, and store there. then you just need to recall a passphrase |
| 16:02.24 | maquis | eightyeight: I can't see how to use either of those with an offsite storage where I don't control the OS |
| 16:02.43 | eightyeight | maquis: how are you sending the data? is it going to tape first, then to offsite? |
| 16:02.59 | maquis | eightyeight: nope.. uploading... |
| 16:03.05 | maquis | using google, if that helps :) |
| 16:03.05 | eightyeight | maquis: ahh |
| 16:03.31 | maquis | i like google, but I don't really trust them enough to have my important data unsecured |
| 16:03.37 | eightyeight | maquis: in that case, iirc, you can use openssl to do the encryption/decryption, again without keys |
| 16:03.49 | eightyeight | just a passphrose |
| 16:03.52 | eightyeight | s/rose/rase/ |
| 16:04.15 | maquis | i was briefly thinking that maybe I could do something like store the data at google, and store the key in Amazon S3. If that's the only thing I'm using the key for, then the chances of someone putting the two together would be pretty slim |
| 16:04.27 | maquis | eightyeight: that's an itneresting idea |
| 16:05.05 | maquis | or maybe use the openssl to encrypt the key + some junk... |
| 16:05.16 | eightyeight | maquis: http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#encrypt-simple |
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| 16:06.21 | maquis | eightyeight: interesting. gonna read that |
| 16:06.29 | unum_ | hello |
| 16:06.36 | maquis | unum_: hi |
| 16:10.09 | bonez2046 | I need to run a windows executable file, but it's permissions are this > -rw-r--r-- 1 scott scott 1285272 2010-07-27 10:07 couponprinter.exe |
| 16:10.18 | bonez2046 | how can I change the permissions? |
| 16:10.47 | eightyeight | chmod |
| 16:12.57 | bonez2046 | so if I want this file to be executable.. then is is 'chmod a+x' for user to execute it? |
| 16:13.18 | unum | that's for all users to execute it |
| 16:15.07 | bonez2046 | ok |
| 16:16.21 | unum | I should have read everything you wrote |
| 16:16.36 | unum | you're trying to run a windows executable file on linux? |
| 16:16.50 | maquis | bonez2046: you trying to use wine or something? |
| 16:17.05 | maquis | bonez2046: oh... if you get the couponprinter working, please let me know how |
| 16:17.26 | bonez2046 | yes, with wine |
| 16:17.41 | bonez2046 | maquis: you've tried it too, eh? |
| 16:18.07 | unum | then I don't think you need to worry aboul it being marked executable |
| 16:18.11 | maquis | hmmm.. bonez2046 no... didn't try... looked at it and decided I didn't want to mess with it |
| 16:18.33 | unum | it's been a while since I've used wine, I've been using cedega |
| 16:18.54 | unum | and there's an interface that you use to install programs |
| 16:19.10 | unum | or you can run the desktop and then run the program |
| 16:19.36 | Migs | wine works well with PowerPoint, doesn't it? |
| 16:19.59 | Migs | what if I want to install PowerPoint with wine, but also a command-line PowerPoint conversion tool? How would it use the DLLs? |
| 16:20.03 | maquis | cedega? |
| 16:20.14 | levi | Man, I missed a goofy conversation last night about Star Wars, Star Trek, and Christianity. |
| 16:20.26 | maquis | i've avoided ever using wine... |
| 16:21.56 | eightyeight | Migs: google docs with google cli tools. |
| 16:22.00 | eightyeight | Migs: or, openoffice |
| 16:22.17 | Migs | I'm not sure I have much of a choice here. I'm trying to come up with a better document conversion script than my PPT -> OpenOffice -> SWF script. |
| 16:22.21 | Migs | Ideally, one which preserves animations |
| 16:22.26 | levi | Wine works remarkably well for some things, and it has for a really long time. Other things it fails miserably with, and doesn't seem to have got noticeably better. But I haven't followed it closely. |
| 16:22.35 | Migs | Although, for the record, I think PowerPoint animations are dumb. |
| 16:22.53 | unum | maquis: it's a proprietary version of wine, it costs $5 a month |
| 16:23.00 | maquis | unum: interesting |
| 16:23.08 | unum | it's geared towards gaming |
| 16:23.13 | maquis | eightyeight: googlecl is pretty cool, but still has a good number of bugs |
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| 16:33.51 | sjansen | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25492/ |
| 16:34.27 | sjansen | My question: what does this mean for Leonard, Sheldon, Penny and Blossom. |
| 16:34.30 | sjansen | ? |
| 16:37.40 | goozbach | good good, my plan is coming together nicely |
| 16:37.47 | goozbach | sure is hand outside today |
| 16:40.08 | eightyeight | maquis: yeah. i've only played with it here and there. i have yet to take it seriously |
| 16:40.16 | eightyeight | maquis: although, i've never encountered any bugs yet |
| 16:40.46 | maquis | eightyeight: have you tried anything like editing google docs in vim? |
| 16:41.34 | maquis | i've mainly used it with docs, and i've run into a couple of bugs... luckily, they have a very good issue-tracking system :) |
| 16:41.45 | maquis | (better than the support that google docs itself has) |
| 16:43.35 | eightyeight | maquis: you mean like: google docs edit --editor vim |
| 16:43.44 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:43.56 | goozbach | it's a pretty cool system |
| 16:43.59 | Migs | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/07/ipad-owner-are-selfish-elites-critics-are-independent-geeks-says-study/ |
| 16:44.22 | maquis | i need to pull down the latest trunk and see if they've gotten stuff fixed yet, but i've run into some weird stuff a few times... |
| 16:48.48 | eightyeight | maquis: i haven't had an issue. i've only started a couple docs, and got my contact list to csv. that's about it |
| 16:49.09 | maquis | eightyeight: interesting. i must have horrid luck |
| 16:49.38 | maquis | i did start playing with it the day it was announced, though... so maybe i just jumped in too quickly :) |
| 16:50.36 | maquis | most of my problems were either trying to edit files that i had created previously from inside of google docs, or from getting files from google docs and then trying to run them through latex (there was a bad character that was coming through. apparently that's fixed in the trunk now) |
| 16:51.46 | eightyeight | i added the stable repo to my sources.list, so maybe that's why i'm not having issues |
| 16:51.51 | eightyeight | it's the stable branch. :) |
| 16:52.09 | maquis | heh |
| 16:52.15 | maquis | stable is for wimps... |
| 16:52.22 | maquis | er... hey... maybe that's why stuff always breaks for me |
| 16:52.43 | eightyeight | :) |
| 16:54.22 | maquis | my new motto: stables are for horses; use beta! |
| 16:54.27 | maquis | :P |
| 16:56.44 | eightyeight | i run debian sid, which is supposed to be bleeding edge unstable. yet, sid usually only ships stable software |
| 16:57.14 | maquis | yeah... i ran sid for a bit... and then got frustrated because I couldn't get the current version of some software I use regularly |
| 16:57.48 | maquis | (this particular software has been described to have update diarrhea... it updates 2-3 times per week, sometimes with rather major updates) |
| 17:00.15 | TodPunk | "Update diarrhea" == Marketing Fail! |
| 17:01.09 | maquis | heh |
| 17:01.54 | jsmith | maquis: Does it happen to be named calibre? |
| 17:02.31 | maquis | jsmith: yup. |
| 17:02.47 | maquis | what ereader do you have? |
| 17:03.05 | jsmith | maquis: I don't, yet :-( I spend more time building ebooks than reading them |
| 17:03.58 | sjansen | What do you use to build your ebooks? |
| 17:04.12 | maquis | jsmith: get a kindle... :) |
| 17:04.14 | jsmith | sjansen: DocBook + XSLT, mostly |
| 17:04.26 | jsmith | maquis: I should get one... |
| 17:04.42 | jsmith | sjansen: It's not a perfect setup, but it works OK for my needs |
| 17:05.13 | sjansen | ugh |
| 17:06.30 | maquis | jsmith: you agree on the update rate for calibre, then? |
| 17:07.04 | jsmith | maquis: Absolutely... I know some of the Fedora folks are really upset about it as well |
| 17:07.21 | jsmith | sjansen: I know... I know... we've had this discussion before. |
| 17:07.42 | maquis | jsmith: too hard to keep repos up-to-date? |
| 17:08.29 | jsmith | maquis: Arguments about whether to keep upgrading versions within a release, or to basically freeze apps like calibre between releases |
| 17:08.56 | maquis | i have ubuntu get me the deps, and then install manually. |
| 17:09.36 | eightyeight | i like docbook. it's very robust and highly flexible |
| 17:09.38 | jsmith | sjansen: I'm still waiting for some uber-cool layout engine using HarfBuzz, but until then I'll use what I know |
| 17:09.39 | maquis | my problem with sid was that i couldnt get the right version of python at one point |
| 17:09.54 | eightyeight | i could do without the chatty xml, but i won't let that get in my way |
| 17:10.00 | jsmith | eightyeight: DocBook isn't necessarily the problem... it's the rendering engine :-( |
| 17:10.30 | maquis | jsmith: the opinion on how often and when to update is going to depend on what reader / formats you care about |
| 17:10.32 | eightyeight | meh |
| 17:10.48 | eightyeight | i guess that depends on what you're rendering to |
| 17:20.05 | TodPunk | maquis: I don't know why anyone would buy a Kindle now that the iPad is just a little more, but can do about 100x more things than the Kindle, and look nicer doing so. Unless you really, REALLY just want to read books and not necessarily all ebooks. |
| 17:20.32 | TodPunk | I'd go Nook in that case anyway |
| 17:20.52 | Gate | Except the iPad is a travesty and should never have happened. |
| 17:20.54 | TodPunk | but that's just my ridiculous fanboi ism |
| 17:21.07 | TodPunk | s/travesty/toy |
| 17:21.14 | maquis | TodPunk: nook sucks, honestly. |
| 17:21.31 | maquis | i've played with all the popular e-readers a bit, and with the ipad |
| 17:21.37 | TodPunk | maquis: I could say as much about the kindle. In my estimation, they all do. |
| 17:21.40 | maquis | i honestly wouldn't be able to read on the ipad as well |
| 17:21.51 | Gate | is waiting for (and to be able to afford) a good android tablet |
| 17:22.10 | maquis | TodPunk: the issue is what you want to do. i want something i can read on for a few hours without my eyes getting tired, and without distractions |
| 17:22.20 | maquis | for that, there really isn't anything better than the kindle |
| 17:22.55 | maquis | if you want a device that's lcd, backlit, and can do a variety of things, then yeah, the ipad is better |
| 17:23.14 | maquis | nook is improving slowly, but can't keep up with the kindle |
| 17:23.20 | maquis | and if the nook fails, b&n is dead |
| 17:23.24 | TodPunk | I own a cheap no-name reader that I bought because it would basically read anything I'd put on it. |
| 17:23.59 | TodPunk | could we define "keep up"? Because I think the devices are about the same. Are we talking book availability? |
| 17:24.16 | maquis | TodPunk: yeah. as long as it has e-ink, it can work okay as an e-reader, although the quality of the screen is pretty important, and the newer screens are way neat |
| 17:24.44 | maquis | TodPunk: i'm referring to quality, actually. if you read the reviews, the nook has had a lot of problems. also, there's no match in customer service |
| 17:25.02 | TodPunk | the latter I can totally believe |
| 17:25.15 | maquis | book availability, i'd say they're pretty equal, unless you like indies (which i do). for random house books, though, the kindle has better prices, and kindle has more free books |
| 17:25.26 | TodPunk | I haven't heard anything but joy about the nook, but I'm not exactly keeping up. I don't really read that much. |
| 17:25.47 | maquis | TodPunk: i've been following ebooks closely for a little over a year :) |
| 17:25.50 | maquis | btw, which reader did you get? |
| 17:26.16 | maquis | the nook wifi would be a great deal if the kindle hadn't dropped their price the day it released |
| 17:26.18 | TodPunk | I have no idea. I've used it once in the year I've had it. |
| 17:26.29 | bonez2046 | I am in the market for a new phone.. anyone using Evo? |
| 17:26.42 | bonez2046 | Evo looks interesting, but so does the N1 |
| 17:26.46 | bonez2046 | er.. N900 |
| 17:27.06 | TodPunk | I think it's an Astak |
| 17:27.33 | maquis | now you can get a refurb'd kindle (1 year manufacturer's warranty, etc) for 110$, or a brand new one for 189$, the 149$ nook wifi without the 3g service isn't that nice |
| 17:27.46 | maquis | plust the most recent software update for the kindle is awesome :) |
| 17:27.55 | TodPunk | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858242008R <--- This one I believe |
| 17:32.03 | maquis | interesting |
| 17:32.24 | maquis | doesn't support ADE, does it? |
| 17:33.38 | TodPunk | I have no idea what that is |
| 17:34.00 | RyanE | It's a kind of juice. You've heard of lemonADE and limeADE, right? :) |
| 17:34.51 | maquis | TodPunk: adobe digital editions |
| 17:34.56 | maquis | it's the epub version of DRM |
| 17:35.09 | TodPunk | I went to the internet to look it up, but everything refers to the Arizone Department of Education |
| 17:35.11 | TodPunk | Ah |
| 17:35.20 | maquis | without that or the kindle drm, it's real hard to find any current non-indie books |
| 17:35.22 | TodPunk | I don't know if it does. |
| 17:35.30 | maquis | tons of great classics, though |
| 17:35.49 | maquis | it'll support all the google books, and anything from mobileread... |
| 17:36.01 | maquis | that's where most of my books come from anyways :) |
| 17:36.03 | TodPunk | I'll be honest, I'd probably just remove the DRM if I wanted to get it from a source that does that. |
| 17:36.38 | maquis | true |
| 17:36.42 | maquis | anyway... gotta head out |
| 17:36.45 | maquis | have fun :) |
| 17:37.05 | TodPunk | you too |
| 18:43.09 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know of a site or information repository that indicates how much in contract overruns the government pays out? |
| 18:43.30 | rsimpkins | I know federal contractors have a proceedure for asking for more money after the fact. |
| 18:43.36 | rsimpkins | And they use it ALL the time. |
| 18:43.49 | rsimpkins | Just curious if anyone knows where such info might be. |
| 18:45.51 | jsmith | rsimpkins: GAO? |
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| 18:46.38 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Yeah, I was looking through the GAO trying to find such info. |
| 18:46.59 | rsimpkins | This specific type of information seems to be well hidden. |
| 18:49.56 | rsimpkins | Ahh, this is a little closer. I wish this were 'officially' available = http://www.contractormisconduct.org |
| 18:50.39 | rsimpkins | Still doesn't show contract overruns though. |
| 18:52.15 | rsimpkins | *sniff* - yeah - no conflict of interest with this guy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_L._Johnson |
| 18:52.19 | rsimpkins | Wow. |
| 18:52.42 | rsimpkins | So the CNO becomes the CEO of GD. How interesting. |
| 19:03.14 | eightyeight | ok. unix philosophical question: why does gnu coreutils allow "ls [FILE] [OPTION]", but bsd enforces "ls [OPTION] [FILE]"? is gnu inconsistent? |
| 19:03.57 | rsimpkins | eightyeight: gnu is frequently inconsistent. |
| 19:05.21 | TodPunk | it is, after all, gnu |
| 19:05.54 | TodPunk | order and consistency are kind of anti-thetical to the philosophy there. |
| 19:14.36 | Gate | because hippies can pass their options in anywhere. |
| 19:14.43 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:16.09 | eightyeight | TodPunk: what other inconsistencies exist with in gnu tools? |
| 19:16.29 | eightyeight | TodPunk: i guess there's when to pass '-' to a switch and when not to, like with tar |
| 19:16.44 | eightyeight | i can't think of anything else off the top of my head though |
| 19:16.54 | Gate | eightyeight: I don't know what you mean? |
| 19:17.11 | Gate | or do you mean that you can get away with 'tar -cvf' instead of 'tar -c -v -f' |
| 19:17.20 | eightyeight | Gate: 'tar cvf' |
| 19:17.28 | Gate | ... |
| 19:17.31 | Gate | you can do that? |
| 19:17.43 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 19:17.49 | Gate | slightly alters his world view. |
| 19:17.53 | Gate | wow. |
| 19:17.59 | Gate | ok then. Never bothered to try.... |
| 19:22.20 | TodPunk | eightyeight: Being inconsistent doesn't necessarily mean conflicting. Many GNU tools have similar syntaxes, for instance. There's just no /consistency/. No standard has been written on things like syntax or code style, let alone one that's followed. |
| 19:23.09 | eightyeight | has one been written for bsd? |
| 19:23.19 | TodPunk | Actually, the only reason one could FIND consistencies is just social consistency that happens when a lot of people try to do similar things. In my opinion, anyway |
| 19:24.21 | TodPunk | eightyeight: I think POSIX has some standards that are largely followed, but I haven't read them, and I don't know what they say on command syntaxes. It's quite possible that distros of various *nix OSes have some opinions on that and enforce them. I wouldn't know. |
| 19:24.27 | eightyeight | i understand 3rd party. i'm only concerned with the gnu utilities, such as bash, tar, coreutils, etc |
| 19:24.27 | Gate | TodPunk: Programmers such as myself will follow contextual consistency, as in we will do it the way it is done in the code/program next to ours. |
| 19:25.14 | TodPunk | Gate: that's what I was referring to by social consistency, yes. Same thing in like, art, cooking, carpentry, etc. |
| 19:26.22 | TodPunk | eightyeight: I don't know. My speculation is that they're different codebases and just evolved differently for unrelated reasons. I mean, who maintains the base GNU tools code, who maintains the BSD versions, the Ubuntu versions, etc? I don't know. |
| 19:27.23 | eightyeight | meh |
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| 19:40.28 | bonez2046 | If you were setting up a business, would you 1) set up email through someone like xmission, have them host it, or 2) set up mail server locally and manage it that way? |
| 19:41.48 | eightyeight | depends on whether or not you're concerned about your image |
| 19:42.11 | eightyeight | i would be more trusting of sending an email to 'sales@company.com' then 'company-sales@xmission.com' |
| 19:42.17 | eightyeight | s/then/than/ |
| 19:42.56 | goozbach | bonez2046: google apps for your domain |
| 19:43.03 | goozbach | best of both worlds |
| 19:43.41 | eightyeight | fwiw- i cringe everytime i see @yahoo.com, @msn.com or even @gmail.com for compnay email addresses |
| 19:44.00 | eightyeight | s/msn/hotmail/ |
| 19:44.21 | sjansen | bonez2046: What eightyeight and goozbach said. |
| 19:44.47 | sjansen | Unless running an email server is so core to your business that it makes sense to actually run in house. |
| 19:45.02 | bonez2046 | eightyeight: the current mail package she has with xmission is indeed sales@mywifescompanyname.com, not with xmission in name |
| 19:45.30 | sjansen | If xmission is meeting your needs, no point changing. |
| 19:45.41 | bonez2046 | the issue is.. business has slowed way down.. I run exim4 on my network at home, and it's up most of the time.. I was thinking of setting her email up here.. |
| 19:46.00 | TodPunk | Um, xmission's email hosting is ridiculously cheap. |
| 19:46.03 | bonez2046 | it's not core, but I suggested she think about using her gmail account instead |
| 19:46.17 | bonez2046 | it is cheap, yes.... |
| 19:46.26 | sjansen | Running a mail server can be a pain. |
| 19:46.48 | TodPunk | So no expense, it works well, why are we proposing a fix to a problem that doesn't exist? |
| 19:47.08 | eightyeight | bonez2046: if you get the comany domain for your email, then bonus. i hate running a mail server |
| 19:47.12 | sjansen | Unless you want to learn all about DomainKeys and SPF and million other annoying things, better to let someone else deal with it. |
| 19:47.36 | maquis | i dunno... for me, it depends... |
| 19:47.55 | eightyeight | sjansen: +1 |
| 19:48.17 | maquis | if i know that the business is a small one (1-4 people), and it's not a tech business, I don't mind seeing an @gmail.com address. An @hotmail.com or @yahoo.com, still scares me, though |
| 19:48.24 | TodPunk | Oh crap, maquis is back. Now we have to act all mature and stuff. |
| 19:48.32 | maquis | mature? |
| 19:48.39 | maquis | who said I was mature |
| 19:48.40 | TodPunk | "act" |
| 19:48.43 | maquis | ? |
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| 19:48.56 | TodPunk | I don't know. It just seemed like the thing to say. |
| 19:49.25 | maquis | :) |
| 19:49.32 | sjansen | Just to be clear, I run my own email server, but only for personal use. It's not the end of the world if I get filtered, whereas for a business I'd outsource until I was large enough to justify bringing the overhead back inside. |
| 19:50.14 | TodPunk | Plus, unless you don't like the gmail interface, Google Apps is awesome AND easy. |
| 19:50.40 | bonez2046 | TodPunk: my wife's biz has idled |
| 19:50.48 | TodPunk | I'm sure xmission's hosting is just peachy too |
| 19:51.00 | eightyeight | i don't like running a mail servers, because i get tired of constantly updating spam definitions, managing gray lists, wondering why my ram consumption is so high, etc |
| 19:51.01 | bonez2046 | does gmail with Google Apps allow for customized email domains or no? |
| 19:51.12 | bonez2046 | no problems with xmission.. they are on top of it |
| 19:51.20 | maquis | I want to run a mail server, but I can't find anyone around here that gives me reverse dns for a reasonable price |
| 19:51.25 | eightyeight | so, i let someone else deal with it |
| 19:51.32 | maquis | i wish xmission would cover us |
| 19:51.48 | TodPunk | why does her business idling matter? What is the expense you are saving here? |
| 19:51.57 | maquis | speakeasy would've worked, but we're too far out, so they won't give us service |
| 19:52.00 | sjansen | maquis: linode.com |
| 19:52.07 | TodPunk | mmmm, linode |
| 19:52.21 | bonez2046 | maquis: why the reverse dns.. on a dynamic ip there ? |
| 19:52.35 | maquis | bonez2046: yup... comcast |
| 19:52.59 | maquis | sjansen: i know, but i want something local :) |
| 19:53.02 | bonez2046 | which service level? consumer with the Motorola surfboard, skinny upright modem? |
| 19:53.14 | maquis | bonez2046: yup |
| 19:53.23 | maquis | not many options around here |
| 19:53.34 | maquis | clearwire is big, but i've heard too many bad things |
| 19:53.53 | sjansen | maquis: Why? Redundant power, fatter pipe, non-residential IP, great price. What's not to love about Linode? |
| 19:54.04 | maquis | other than that, we've got verizon (which is *really* tempting) and comcast |
| 19:54.31 | maquis | sjansen: because i already have a server here, and its cheap |
| 19:54.32 | maquis | :) |
| 19:54.34 | bonez2046 | maquis: get their basic business package.. it's about 70 per month and the speed... i just ran a speed test with speakeasy.net and got 14.56 mbps down and 1.13 up to new york from salt lake |
| 19:55.00 | maquis | bonez: who's basic business package? speakeasy's? or comcast? |
| 19:55.14 | sjansen | maquis: Not if you do it right, paying for a business package so that you get a static non-residential IP without filtering. |
| 19:55.15 | bonez2046 | to washington d.c. I just tested 29.72 mbps down and 1.47 mbps up |
| 19:55.21 | eightyeight | hmm. i'm a basic consumer, and i have 12/2 Mbps |
| 19:55.36 | maquis | bonez2046: that's 20$ more per month than we're paying right now... which is a bit steep, but we might look into it |
| 19:55.36 | bonez2046 | comcast has the basic business package with an SMC business gateway.. 4 ports.. |
| 19:56.13 | bonez2046 | eightyeight: that's good.. |
| 19:56.26 | eightyeight | granted, it's a dynamic ip, but it only changes when i lose power to my cablem modem for longer than an hour |
| 19:56.33 | eightyeight | and i'm only paing $45/mo |
| 19:57.25 | maquis | eightyeight: nice... we're paying 55 |
| 19:58.00 | eightyeight | maquis: my understanding, is if i pay the extra $10 for the performance boost, or whatever it is, i'll get 16Mbps down |
| 19:58.15 | maquis | eightyeight: nice |
| 19:58.22 | maquis | with comcast? |
| 19:58.23 | bonez2046 | I had vonage with my consumer grade comcast service and it was always flaking out, no problem since switching to the business class |
| 19:58.25 | eightyeight | the only time i fill the pipe though, is when i run updates from mirrors.kernel.org. so, i'm failing to see why i would want it |
| 19:58.28 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 19:58.40 | maquis | hmmm how come i don't get that when we're paying more :( |
| 19:58.44 | eightyeight | bonez2046: interesting. i don't have any problems with my vonage |
| 19:59.09 | eightyeight | maquis: dunno. what docsis version is your cable modem? |
| 19:59.19 | eightyeight | i was v1 for ever. after getting v3, the pipe opened way up |
| 19:59.28 | eightyeight | s/for ever/forever/ |
| 19:59.37 | maquis | docsis? |
| 20:00.05 | eightyeight | maquis: data over cable service interface specification |
| 20:00.11 | eightyeight | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS |
| 20:00.12 | maquis | eightyeight: no idea |
| 20:00.13 | TodPunk | IEEE standard for cable modem framing stuffs |
| 20:00.17 | Gate | Sigh, Warren Jeffs' conviction just got thrown out... |
| 20:00.32 | eightyeight | maquis: it's likely listed by the serial number on your modem |
| 20:00.39 | eightyeight | or in its web interface |
| 20:00.46 | macnewbold | seriously? on what grounds? |
| 20:01.07 | Gate | Jury was given "incorrect" instructions, according to the Utah Supreme Court. |
| 20:01.14 | bonez2046 | I dropped vonage after 5 years.. got a magicjack.. |
| 20:01.18 | Gate | http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/27/utah-supreme-court-reverses-convictions-polygamist-leader-warren-jeffs-orders/ |
| 20:02.29 | sjansen | maquis: Your ISP is more expensive because all the Microsofties are driving the price up. |
| 20:02.57 | maquis | eightyeight: i don't see it anywhere on the modem, and i don't think i've ever used the web ui (there's a web ui?) :) i know we haven't had any changes to it in > 3 years, though |
| 20:03.22 | maquis | sjansen: probably |
| 20:04.31 | eightyeight | maquis: it's probably 192.168.100.1 |
| 20:04.53 | maquis | eightyeight: ah... so it is |
| 20:05.45 | TodPunk | huh, ITU-T, not IEEE. Woops. |
| 20:06.10 | sjansen | http://imgur.com/kVfrT |
| 20:06.58 | maquis | eightyeight: still not seeing the docsis anywhere, but this is interesting |
| 20:06.59 | eightyeight | maquis: my bet, is it's v2, which means you should be getting the 16Mbps down. maybe they advertize different speeds in different markets. dunno |
| 20:07.10 | maquis | eightyeight: possibly |
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| 20:18.11 | Gate | â |
| 20:18.26 | Gate | whoops |
| 20:18.55 | eightyeight | maquis: according to comcast.com, economy should be getting 1.5Mbps/384Kbps, performance 15/3M, blasd 20/4, ultra 30/7 and extreme 50/10 |
| 20:19.16 | maquis | interesting |
| 20:19.20 | maquis | i think we've got the economy |
| 20:19.29 | eightyeight | *blast |
| 20:20.05 | eightyeight | i'm on performance. i should check my upload. sweet if they upped it from 2 to 3 |
| 20:27.58 | *** join/#utah bbeattie (~bbeattie@208.53.57.89) |