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| 00:28.52 | resplin | :q |
| 00:29.58 | Tene | :w /etc/fstab |
| 00:30.19 | resplin | Good, I was afraid I was the only one typing in the wrong window. |
| 00:30.26 | resplin | <grin> |
| 00:30.33 | resplin | At least it wasn't a password. |
| 00:31.52 | fungus | IaMgOd! |
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| 01:09.46 | Claud-SLC | what? |
| 01:20.55 | Sargun_Screen | What not? |
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| 01:25.55 | resplin | Can anyone recommend a good SIP to Phone provider? I'm having a hard time getting good sound quality. |
| 01:26.52 | Sargun_Screen | flowroute |
| 01:27.05 | Sargun_Screen | they do both termination and origination |
| 01:27.35 | resplin | Thanks! |
| 01:28.29 | Sargun_Screen | No problem. |
| 01:31.07 | resplin | Wow, those are the lowest rates I've seen. |
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| 01:33.06 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 02:03.54 | levi | Wow, if it's been 15 years since Linux 1.0, I've been using Linux for a really long time. |
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| 03:48.34 | resplin | So I guess flowroute has been down all day. |
| 03:48.51 | resplin | Just my luck . . . |
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| 03:58.45 | RyanE | resplin: how can you tell they've been down all day? |
| 03:59.22 | resplin | I haven't been able to connect, though the other two services I tried today work. I tried to submit a support tickte, but got a 500 error. |
| 03:59.35 | resplin | Then I went over to #flowroute, and the guy handing out there said they had been down. |
| 03:59.49 | RyanE | hmmm... ouch. |
| 04:00.04 | resplin | Nothing official though. |
| 04:18.27 | levi | Wow, David Ragsdale is a piece of work. |
| 04:18.47 | levi | The news had some of his recorded phone calls from jail. |
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| 04:57.55 | jasonpr | is there a reason the sllug.org is down? |
| 04:59.50 | Tene_ | jasonpr: I hear mecworks is working on migrating sllug.org to a virtual machine... maybe relevant |
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| 11:18.21 | bonez46 | good morning |
| 11:21.48 | bonez46 | anyone here yet? |
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| 14:04.19 | tensai | proposed bill to make the internet tax ban permanent. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1560 |
| 14:07.08 | jsmith | Yeah... like that will stick |
| 14:07.36 | jsmith | The only thing permanent these days in Washington is "more of the same" |
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| 14:44.38 | Jayce^ | mrpull: you and your un-patirotic questioning of the tax laws! |
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| 14:58.04 | mecworks | Tene_: yes, that was it. I was doing a trial run at the P2V migration last night and have a list of issues that I need to work on. But I think sllug.org will be virtualized either over the weekend or the first part of next week. |
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| 15:01.31 | jsmith | Sounds like it's time for the "Dumb Joke of the Day" |
| 15:01.58 | jsmith | "Heard about the new TV series about a programmer who tries to go back and fix all the dangerous bugs he left in production software?" |
| 15:02.15 | goozbach | no, what's it called? |
| 15:02.37 | jsmith | "My Name is Perl" |
| 15:02.47 | goozbach | psha! |
| 15:03.03 | goozbach | somewhere a drummer just did a rimshot, and he doesn't know why |
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| 15:03.06 | brac | strangles Tene with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 15:04.33 | sinuhe | goozbach: Drummers always know why they do rim shots: because they're loud. |
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| 15:18.30 | RyanE | jsmith: funny. |
| 15:19.02 | jsmith | I knew this croud would appreciate it... or at least cringe less. |
| 15:19.35 | sjansen | ~attack jsmith |
| 15:19.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing jsmith |
| 15:21.08 | sjansen | jsmith: I think you offended ibot. |
| 15:22.02 | jsmith | sjansen: You think *I* offended ibot? |
| 15:22.20 | jsmith | If it's only ibot I've offended today, I haven't been trying hard enough |
| 15:29.05 | sjansen | Let's ask ibot. |
| 15:29.08 | sjansen | ~lart ibot |
| 15:29.08 | ibot | beats sjansen senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 15:29.27 | sjansen | Uhm... er... that is... |
| 15:29.30 | sjansen | ~lart jsmith |
| 15:29.30 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags jsmith into court suing for $200 million |
| 15:29.55 | sjansen | Yup, that settles it, you've annoyed ibot, jsmith. |
| 15:30.04 | goozbach | ~lart sjansen |
| 15:30.04 | ibot | gives sjansen a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 15:37.33 | sinuhe | sjansen: That was cool. ~lart sjansen |
| 15:37.42 | sinuhe | ~beat sjansen |
| 15:37.43 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats sjansen over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 15:37.58 | sinuhe | I like ibot |
| 15:38.05 | sinuhe | ~ibot heel |
| 15:38.10 | sinuhe | Hmmm |
| 15:38.15 | sinuhe | ~heel ibot |
| 15:38.27 | fungus | ~pet ibot |
| 15:38.28 | ibot | ACTION reaches over and pets ibot on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
| 15:38.43 | sinuhe | ~pet sjansen |
| 15:38.44 | ibot | ACTION reaches over and pets sjansen on the head, saying "There, there! It'll all be ok!" |
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| 16:00.09 | elg | sweet. my camcorder + firewire + dvgrab = time lapse |
| 16:00.22 | elg | and not tied to my laptop, so I can do longer videos |
| 16:00.49 | elg | so long as I can keep the secretary and/or custodians from turning off my light here... |
| 16:05.51 | eggyknap | elg: how's the organ registration project? |
| 16:06.54 | sjansen | ~slap sinuhe |
| 16:06.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps sinuhe, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:07.25 | sinuhe | ~punch sjansen |
| 16:07.26 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches sjansen right on the nose |
| 16:07.26 | mecworks | sjansen: just sent an email to the SLLUG list about teh hardware for the virt server. |
| 16:07.56 | sinuhe | ducks |
| 16:08.06 | sjansen | ~travolta sinuhe |
| 16:08.07 | ibot | ACTION replaces sinuhe with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 16:08.19 | sinuhe | concedes |
| 16:08.27 | sjansen | mecworks: cool :-) |
| 16:09.26 | mecworks | I did a trial run of the P2V migration of SLLUG last night. Some details are in the email. |
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| 16:29.11 | mecworks | sjansen: did it come through yet? |
| 16:29.27 | sjansen | Just arrived. |
| 16:29.39 | mecworks | nice. The old machine is still working correctly :) |
| 16:29.56 | sjansen | Interesting that Xen didn't do CPU scaling. I thought they had that fixed. |
| 16:30.26 | mecworks | not in the current versions. There are patches for it though. It will probably be in in the next release though. |
| 16:30.32 | sjansen | Perhaps an example of why an in-kernel hypervisor is a better solution. Perhaps only does scaling with older CPUs. |
| 16:31.47 | mecworks | I also like the fact that kvm is part of the kernel. |
| 16:41.06 | harleypig | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/483516 |
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| 17:01.17 | jshipley | harleypig: you seem to spend a lot of time at fmylife |
| 17:03.40 | jshipley | :) That really sucks for that kid though... don't drink and drive |
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| 17:29.16 | Jayce^ | I love that NIN releases free flac's of their new stuff... |
| 17:37.26 | Jayce^ | ninja2009.com for those that didnt' see, grab the free new EP from nin |
| 17:41.05 | harleypig | W00T! makethebadmanstop.(com|net|org) just became available! I bought them! |
| 17:41.13 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEcPBq7zxto |
| 17:41.17 | ^Migs^ | this is so freakin funny |
| 17:42.48 | harleypig | jshipley: no, I just spend 5 mins or so each morning. |
| 17:43.10 | fungus | bummer, no NIN tour dates here in UT |
| 17:44.25 | Jayce^ | oh noes harleypig.... |
| 17:45.10 | ^Migs^ | http://homokaasu.org/gematriculator/ |
| 17:45.22 | harleypig | :> Now I just need to find a photographer |
| 17:45.40 | fozzmoo | I'm not sure UT is too injured by not being graced with Reznor's presence again. |
| 17:46.45 | Jayce^ | harleypig: should have been at photocampUT.. lots of 'em there |
| 17:46.54 | Jayce^ | quite a few that know their stuff around here |
| 17:47.11 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: well, it was manson that was the most offensive last time, wasn't it? |
| 17:47.14 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: You see that Thomas Paine video? |
| 17:47.18 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Oh. yeah. |
| 17:47.25 | fozzmoo | smacks self repeatedly |
| 17:47.26 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: yeah, friggen awesome |
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| 18:13.15 | harleypig | Jayce^: don't remember hearing about photocampUT |
| 18:35.41 | unum | so where is this thomas paine video you're all ranting about? |
| 18:36.07 | unum | fozzmoo: as we said in #uphpu you should read "the age of reason" |
| 18:36.37 | unum | I think all constitutionlist should be required to read that before joining the party |
| 18:37.33 | unum | if you're going to claim to subscribe to the beliefs of the founding fathers you should be required to read them |
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| 19:20.40 | fozzmoo | Thomas Paine kind of went crazy as he went along. |
| 19:20.57 | fozzmoo | I'm much more inclined to praise his earlier works than anything later. |
| 19:35.19 | tensai | fozzmoo: funny, I've heard the same said of you :) |
| 19:35.32 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:36.03 | fozzmoo | I like to think I've kept the good parts of my socially liberal days with me. |
| 19:43.39 | Jayce^ | harleypig: you missed another one: http://tinyurl.com/d93l66 |
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| 20:21.53 | mecworks | LOL! http://www.porktopia.com/2009/03/porkgasm.html |
| 20:21.53 | brac | [Porkgasm - Porktopia] |
| 20:22.01 | mecworks | his comments at the bottom are funny. "I even had two vegetarians and one person with a failing gall bladder try it out (they had half slices). I was disappointed that no observant Jews or Muslims showed up, because I think they would have had to eat some too." |
| 20:22.34 | mecworks | And yes, it *is* safe for work of course.... |
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| 20:37.28 | coldblue012 | now has a GPS based time source for ntpd. |
| 20:37.29 | maquis | unum: and i think that people should have to say *which* of the founding fathers they subscribe to the beliefs of... |
| 20:37.59 | maquis | i mean... i don't see how you can subscribe to all the beliefs of both jefferson and hamilton |
| 20:39.40 | tarrant | unum: I've read age of reason (probably the biggest effect a book has had on my life). Do you have any suggestions as to books by Jefferson? |
| 20:41.38 | unum | the anti-federalist papers? |
| 20:42.33 | tarrant | unum: Thanks I'll check them out. |
| 20:42.57 | tarrant | unum: I'm familiar with them never sat down and read them. They didn't pop into my mind as I was trying to think of works by Jefferson. |
| 20:43.32 | maquis | once you've read those, the federalist papers are pretty interesting for the opposite view |
| 20:43.54 | unum | they atleast have his ideas |
| 20:43.56 | maquis | i've never read the whole thing, but i've read bits and pieces, and some summaries of the general views in each |
| 20:44.13 | unum | I'm not really a jefferson fan |
| 20:44.30 | maquis | i find that biographies (well-written ones, at least) from the time period can be pretty interesting sources of info about the views of the different founding fathers |
| 20:44.54 | unum | I've read a few that compare and contrast |
| 20:44.56 | maquis | i read John Adams by McCullough and that gave me a very interesting view of a lot of the debates that went on in the early days... |
| 20:44.58 | unum | s/few/two |
| 20:45.18 | unum | ya that one's good |
| 20:45.33 | maquis | i have found that most biographies tend to have a bias (usually toward the views of the person it's the biography of), though... so you don't want to stick to just one or two |
| 20:45.39 | jsmith | maquis: And even later presidents as well... I'm reading the new Andrew Jackson book, and it's fantastic in arguing the pros and cons of the federalist position |
| 20:45.47 | maquis | jsmith: very true |
| 20:45.58 | jsmith | is a book junkie |
| 20:46.03 | maquis | too |
| 20:46.38 | macnewbold | three |
| 20:46.50 | macnewbold | audiobooks in the car while commuting... |
| 20:47.08 | jsmith | Nothing like a book to help you unwind at the end of a day |
| 20:47.19 | jsmith | Audiobooks are OK... hardcover books are the best :-) |
| 20:48.22 | fozzmoo | wishes he could download books into his brain. |
| 20:48.37 | fozzmoo | can't read them fast enough |
| 20:50.02 | unum | I have that problem as well |
| 20:50.02 | unum | I've been working on dreadnaught |
| 20:50.02 | tensai | mecworks: that bacon he's got is from Falls Brand. they're from Twin Falls, ID and make some absolutely delicious meats. |
| 20:50.02 | mecworks | :) |
| 20:50.02 | jsmith | Mmmmmn... bacon.... |
| 20:50.05 | tensai | I dunno if you can find their stuff in SLC or not |
| 20:50.08 | mecworks | Looking at that either makes you totally hungry or about to be sick depending on how hungry you are :) |
| 20:52.45 | tensai | jsmith: I'll make you some of their ribs the next time you're here |
| 20:53.46 | jsmith | tensai: Fair enough... |
| 20:54.47 | Jayce^ | like anybody smart would turn that offer down |
| 20:54.53 | tensai | jsmith: do you know all the good places to eat in HSV? I gots to load me up on bbq while I'm there. |
| 20:55.16 | jsmith | tensai: Aye... bbq, cajun... you name it, I'll feed you right! |
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| 20:56.12 | mecworks | Jayce^: I think you should make one of those pigs for the next PLUG BBQ... |
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| 21:06.20 | unum | mecworks: agreed |
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| 22:45.34 | tensai | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/03/scenes_from_30000_meters_above.html |
| 22:45.35 | brac | [Scenes from 30,000 meters above - The Big Picture - Boston.com] |
| 22:45.41 | tensai | check out picture 6 |
| 22:45.42 | fozzmoo | http://xkcd.com/558/ |
| 22:45.42 | brac | [xkcd - A Webcomic - 1000 Times] |
| 22:45.48 | fozzmoo | Gotta love it. |
| 22:46.36 | elg | ~heart ffmpeg |
| 22:46.36 | ibot | I ⤠ffmpeg |
| 22:47.03 | fozzmoo | me too! |
| 22:55.51 | elg | falls asleep |
| 22:56.00 | elg | git-svn is sure slower to clone than plain git |
| 22:56.06 | elg | but i suppose that's to be expected. |
| 22:57.27 | Tene | rather |
| 22:58.05 | elg | r3000 and climbing |
| 22:58.09 | elg | wonders when it will ever end |
| 22:58.18 | fozzmoo | TGIF! |
| 22:59.33 | elg | ahhh |
| 22:59.43 | elg | it was doing gc and I thought it was done |
| 22:59.46 | elg | psych! |
| 23:00.42 | unum | the season is over |
| 23:00.45 | unum | sorry |
| 23:00.49 | elg | don't remind me |
| 23:00.54 | elg | i'm still going through withdrawls |
| 23:01.10 | unum | they're finally going to end monk |
| 23:01.23 | unum | burn notice is the one I'm enjoying the most |
| 23:05.24 | tensai | yay! spring break, woo hoo! |
| 23:10.50 | Tene | oh, lame. deleting from a list or dictionary in python doesn't return the deleted item. |
| 23:12.00 | elg | tensai: you get spring break off? |
| 23:12.30 | tensai | elg: not as such, but I took a week of vacation to coincide with my kids' spring break |
| 23:12.43 | elg | road trip? |
| 23:12.53 | tensai | yup. to oregon. |
| 23:13.10 | elg | oregon trail |
| 23:14.06 | tensai | yes, I'll be following the oregon trail for a few hundred miles |
| 23:15.20 | tensai | elg: did you want me to bring you back a wagon wheel or a buffalo chip? |
| 23:15.34 | elg | a sick ox, please |
| 23:25.26 | levi | Grr, can't get stupid Linux box to route between two interfaces. |
| 23:26.16 | Tene | levi: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forwarding |
| 23:26.19 | Tene | ? |
| 23:26.38 | levi | Set to 1 |
| 23:27.08 | levi | (that one is actually net.ipv4.ip_forward) |
| 23:27.13 | Tene | heh |
| 23:27.24 | Tene | you complaining, or want debugging help? |
| 23:27.41 | levi | Well, a little of both, perhaps. :) |
| 23:28.36 | Tene | well, 'ip route' would have helpful information |
| 23:28.43 | Tene | as well as what you're trying to route from where to where |
| 23:29.08 | levi | It's serving ip addresses on 192.168.123.0/24 (eth0) and 192.168.124.0/24 (eth2), but I can't get devices on either network to see each other. |
| 23:29.47 | Tene | and the devices on those networks are routing through this box? |
| 23:30.07 | levi | Yes, default route is set to the ip address of this box on those two networks. |
| 23:30.17 | Tene | huh |
| 23:30.29 | levi | 192.168.123.108 and 192.168.124.1, respectively. |
| 23:30.49 | levi | iptables has policy set to ACCEPT |
| 23:31.29 | Tene | levi: does the box see any packets coming in at all? tcpdump? |
| 23:31.31 | levi | Does 'ip route' need to show something other than 'scope link' for those networks? |
| 23:32.16 | levi | It sees ICMP and replies with 'unreachable' when I try to ping. |
| 23:32.27 | Tene | 192.168.123.0/24 dev eth0 scope link |
| 23:32.51 | levi | 192.168.124.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.124.1 |
| 23:33.04 | Tene | that looks good to me |
| 23:34.12 | levi | Of course, I can ping both addresses from the router. |
| 23:34.20 | levi | Or the non-router, I should say. |
| 23:41.41 | levi | Grrr. |
| 23:42.50 | Sargun_Screen | rrrrG. |
| 23:43.19 | levi | Seems to have the routing options enabled in the kernel config. |
| 23:43.37 | Sargun_Screen | ok, on the incoming interface make sure you're getting ICMP packets |