IRC log for #utah on 20081218

00:00.10harleypigfeh ... stoopid up arrow.
00:00.42harleypigSargun: that link is b0rked
00:01.58Sargunharleypig, it's internal only
00:02.04Sargunif you want porn
00:02.09Sargunwww.porn.com
00:02.12SargunI think.
00:02.33harleypigSargun: or www.youporn.com or www.porntube.com or www.insertfavoritefetishhere.com
00:02.35harleypigyeah, I know.
00:03.06Sargunyou know what?
00:03.08JoshHwhoa, give us a nsfw warning!
00:03.11JoshH:P
00:03.19SargunWhere is brac?
00:03.41harleypig*blink* You mean www.youPORN.com or www.PORNtube.com didn't jump out at you?
00:03.46Sargunhttp://youporn.com/
00:03.50Sargunstupid bot: http://www.youporn.com/
00:04.08Sargunharleypig, Rotten.com's cage is right next to ours
00:04.16SargunI'm somewhat proud of that.
00:04.17Sargun:-)
00:04.19harleypignice.
00:04.28SargunI have pictures of their hardware
00:04.35Sargunlet me upload it.
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00:05.20harleypiguh huh ... if it's related to rotten, I'll have to wait till I'm not at work.
00:05.35Sargunharleypig, it's SFW.
00:05.40SargunJust pictures of hardware.
00:05.56SargunI'm going to go there in a few days and take a picture of me + hardware
00:06.02harleypig<beavis>huh huh huh he said *hard*ware</beavis>
00:07.56harleypigargh ... the stoopid db copy catches me every time.  Reload testing page and no data shows up.
00:08.03harleypigCue me panicking until I remember.
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00:15.50maquisaaargh
00:16.10SargunArgh me matey!
00:16.30Sargunhttp://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/5596237_E8Y32#438628847_nURSS-A-LB
00:16.38Sargunhttp://sargun.smugmug.com/gallery/5596237_E8Y32#438628931_crPBN-A-LB
00:17.30SargunIt is SFW.
00:18.56JoshHasks for password
00:19.43SargunJoshH, uhmiambored
00:19.49Sargun= password
00:20.48JoshHwhat dc is that?
00:21.04Sargunwhich one, the rotten.com, or the one prior to that?
00:21.19JoshHthe one with a rotten cage and yours next to it
00:21.25JoshHwhich i assume those pics are
00:21.47Sargunthat is HE.net @ 55 South Market, St. In San Jose, CA
00:22.00Sargunthe other datacenter is Equinix SV4.
00:22.07JoshHah, cool
00:22.22Sargun255 Caspian Dr. Santa Clara, CA
00:23.51JoshHhow does it work in that building, with he.net and crg west
00:24.45SargunWhat do you mean? It's fairly transparent.
00:25.12SargunWe deal directly with HE.net
00:25.28JoshHi thought crg west did all the colo stuff and managed the MMR
00:25.40JoshHbut i also knew he.net had some kind of colo there
00:26.18SargunMost of 55 south market is owned by ISPs/resellers.
00:27.22Sargunthe MMR is managed by CRG west, we can get connectivity to the MMR from HE.net, but it's pointless for us.
00:27.33JoshHi thought crg west owned the whole building
00:27.37SargunThey do.
00:27.51SargunHE.net just leases a few floors.
00:27.55JoshHah, i see
00:28.15SargunWe're not using that as our primary DC, just for monitoring
00:28.18harleypigCan anyone help me with a css (html?) problem?
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01:39.01harleypighttp://sfweekly.com/slideshow/view/205503/21
01:41.09harleypighttp://flickr.com/photos/ari/3108581618/in/photostream/
01:41.14harleypigI want that for xmas.
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02:40.38leviDarn, I missed the chance to chime in about Thinkpads.
02:40.56leviMy verdict: butt-ugly, but nicely usable.
02:41.09levi(I am on a Thinkpad right now)
02:43.06Teneharleypig: what's the problem?
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03:09.17Sargun_Screenlevi: Do you have a Lenovo?
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03:59.46leviSargun_Screen: No, it's an IBM.
04:02.42Sargun_ScreenYay, nearly half-done with my Final.
04:02.52Sargun_Screenlevi: ever since Lenovo took over, quality has gone down
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04:09.54leviI'm all done with my finals. :)
04:11.50elghip hip
04:13.11fugue88hooray
04:13.21Sargun_Screenlevi: I hate you.
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05:26.10leviMy mythtv is acting up.
05:26.19Sargunyour mythtv is acting up
05:26.45leviYes.
06:07.16fozzmoolevi: Actually, Heroes really did suck that bad.
06:07.25fozzmoolevi: There's nothing wrong with your mythtv
06:40.57TeneIt's not just me?
06:45.47Sargunfozzmoo, you watch Chuck, Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles, 30 Rock, or Fringe?
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15:56.14tensai~rlart
15:56.15ibotchops brac in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
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16:38.38levifozzmoo: I don't watch Heroes.  It was acting up while playing back The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
16:38.57fozzmoolevi: Well that doesn't explain your problem then.
16:39.41fozzmooI watched Heroes last night on my DVR and was wishing I could blame the episode's suckiness on the DVR.
16:40.35jshipleyfozzmoo: you should just use relativity and run back in time and not watch it
16:40.37jshipleyshudders
16:40.57fozzmoojshipley: ditto.
16:41.02tristanbobcan't you watch all of those shows on Hulu?
16:41.10tristanbobanytime you like?
16:41.10jshipleytristanbob: probably
16:41.14tristanbobno DVR necessary
16:41.21tristanbobthe FUTURE of media
16:41.36levitristanbob: Yes, but I like the 1080i broadcast versions better.
16:42.23jshipleyI tried searching online for complaints about Heroes treatment of relativity, but I couldn't find anything
16:42.50jshipleyThe only complaints I found were about how out of character the fight between Nathan and Peter was
16:43.24pashdowni stopped after season 1
16:44.00jshipley:) I guess I just didn't wait long enough before searching... I'm seeing some good results now
16:44.25leviChuck is where it's at, anyway.
16:44.39jshipleylol -- "Just remember that this is a tv series and that noone who watches it is expected to understand relativity"
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16:48.22goozbachhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY9Yf26J4ZM squirells!
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16:56.13tristanbobpashdown, I made 2 seasons, no longer following it
16:56.37goozbachdon't ruin it, I'm starting season2 tonight
16:57.42tristanbobgoozbach, apparently 1991 was very close to the 80s
16:59.40goozbachtristanbob: 1991 in english years == 1986 in american years
16:59.42goozbach:)
17:01.03tristanbobapparently there is a shortage of acorns this year?
17:01.15jsmith-teachinggoozbach: Does that mean there are 2000 metric pounds in a metric ton?
17:09.09mrpulltristanbob:  that missing acorns story is a good one
17:09.19mrpullI like when people can't explain things
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17:18.43bonez45how would I download....all articles, all links, on a site.. 2 levels deep?
17:19.12bonez45it's a site that has numerous articles, and I want to gather them all to keep a copy before they remove them
17:19.16bonez45is this possible?
17:20.04goozbachbonez45: wget -r
17:20.27fozzmoo-l 2
17:20.32bonez45just at a prompt? nothing else?    or wget -r site name?
17:20.54fozzmooSpend a couple minutes reading the wget man page. :)
17:21.14bonez45ok
17:21.26RyanEfozzmoo: congrats, that's the nicest I've ever heard someone say 'RTFM'.  
17:21.38fozzmooBut, yeah, the man page offers this example: wget -r -l 2 -p http://<site>/1.html
17:21.54fozzmooRyanE: heh.
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17:24.35tensaiwhoah. level 3 is assigned 4/8 and 8/8.
17:24.59bonez45fozz thanks.. I'll spend some time with the manpage
17:28.38bonez45fozzmoo: that -l there is an Ell, right and not a pipe?  in 'wger -r -l2 -p ...'
17:28.52fozzmooYep.
17:29.01fozzmooFor levels in depth.
17:29.12bonez45levels, ok..
17:32.26bonez45to carry the issue further.. once wget finishes. then I should be able to just point my browser to the download point and
17:34.10leviHa ha, Vorlath is still on his Halting Problem Doubter kick.
17:35.16bonez45fozzmoo: ok, got another question.. the machine where i ran wget.. to save those pages.. is not the machine I am now, here... it's on my LAN. it's running etch... and I am running xp pro on this machine. is there a way I can network that download directory, so that I can now view those files here from this win xp pro box?
17:35.45fozzmooYou might be able to serve them up via Apache. :)
17:35.56fozzmooI've heard Apache does a good job with HTML documents. :)
17:36.19bonez45ok , I run apache on this machine er.. that machine too
17:38.13fugue88bonez45, scp?
17:38.27bonez45ok...
17:38.40fugue88The putty utils for Windows include an implementation if you don't have any other around.
17:38.56fugue88scp is part of the ssh family of tools.
17:39.37fugue88Actually I guess you'd be using sftp with the putty stuff.
17:41.10levipscp comes with putty.
17:41.12tensaithere's an scp with putty. I think it's called pscp.exe.
17:41.45fugue88Oh, nice.
17:42.24JoshHpoor windows users
17:43.03leviWindows is a fine platform these days.
17:43.18leviJust takes a few tweaks to make it comfortable.
17:43.46fugue88Like installing Cygwin.
17:43.49fugue88:D
17:44.11leviCygwin or msys are handy.
17:46.33JoshHit's never quite comfortable enough though, imo
17:48.47leviIt's not the fault of Windows that you're inflexible and not capable of adapting to a different environment. :P
17:48.54tensaimaybe it's because I've used linux desktops for so long, but I find windows very uncomfortable
17:49.20bgerbersame here
17:49.22JoshHi can't even get comfortable using my wife's imac with macports, x11, etc
17:49.42JoshHi mean, i can adapt and use it, but i still pine for linux
17:49.48leviIt may also be a desire to find non-Linux desktops uncomfortable to validate your need for Linux to be the most awesome thing ever.
17:50.03goozbachjust came up in fortune: "Eat, drink and be merry! for tomorrow you might be in Utah."
17:50.07JoshHi understand how you would think that, but that's not it, for me
17:50.36leviWell, whatever.  I'm quite comfortable in Windows, Linux, and OS X.
17:50.45JoshHdoing any kind of work?
17:50.51leviOf course.
17:51.48JoshHi'm comfortable browsing the web in any OS, but when it comes to terminals and command line tools, i tend to notice the differences and get bugged just enough to not be completely satisfied
17:51.48leviI can run my favorite text editor on all of them, and I have the compilers I need, and they're all pretty stable.
17:54.59JoshHwell some of us just have higher standards :P
17:55.42leviYeah, I have higher standards of desktop functionality, which is why I don't use Linux desktops anymore. :P
17:56.20JoshHi'll use windows for games again when i build a new rig
17:56.24leviLinux works just fine through a putty window.
17:57.23JoshHand i do like osx quite a bit, but there's always something that i like using on linux that doesn't work, doesn't compile, isn't in macports, etc
17:59.11JoshHthe only things i really wish i could do with linux desktop is use photoshop and lightroom and stuff
17:59.35JoshHbut we do have an imac in the family for that
18:01.37JoshHi am torn on my upcoming laptop purchase though... i would love to be able to dual boot leopard and ubuntu, and have a sexy macbook pro, but a thinkpad is much more bang for the buck
18:01.48JoshHand i could use the adobe apps on windows with that
18:02.01tensaior with crossover
18:02.28JoshHbut i wouldn't use windows for anything else, where as with a mbp, i could use leopard most of the time
18:02.56JoshHtensai: afaik, crossover A: doesn't support the newest versions of adobe stuff, and B: sucks
18:03.29JoshHi could be wrong, i haven't looked into it much in depth
18:07.47harleypigI just wanna play fps through a hud in my contacts ...
18:10.50unumso on our server we have a lot of stuff in /usr/local/bin
18:10.57unumthere's a csh and perl directory
18:11.14unumI feel like these should be checked out from an svn repo
18:11.27unumdoes anyone have any experience with this sort of things
18:11.58JoshHwhat's in the csh directory that could possibly be useful, out of morbid curiosity?
18:12.25unumJoshH: the it manager is opposed to bash for reasons he has never explained to me
18:12.36unumso tcsh is the main login shell on the server
18:13.00JoshHinteresting
18:13.11JoshHthere are tcsh fanboys out there, i know that
18:13.30eightyeightwell, that sucks about the secretary of the debian project
18:13.41JoshHwhat?
18:13.43unumhe says they "both have their issues" but won't tell me what issue bash has that csh doesn't
18:13.54fozzmoounum: his preference
18:13.56fozzmoo;-)
18:14.24eightyeightJoshH: http://lwn.net/Articles/312016/
18:14.25unumwith svn can you import something and make it a local copy at the same time
18:15.35JoshHhuh
18:15.39eightyeightdespite all the crap that the developers and governing body go through, debian still remains one of the most popular distros, one of the most secure, one of the most stable, and one of the most portable
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18:16.45synicunum: I'm pretty sure you can't
18:16.56JoshHthe politics have always been the worst thing about debian, but it always survives and continues to be the best distro
18:17.06synicthat's one of the cool things about the new fangled scm utilities
18:17.38unumsynic: I'm sure I can.  I was wondering if it's a good idea
18:17.57synicwhy not?
18:18.32unumthe IT manager thinks it's a bad idea(again no reason)
18:18.40unumto me it seems stupid not to do it
18:19.24eightyeightunum: whatever happened to your jabber account? didn't you have one running under the ugotta domain? or are you back to gmail?
18:19.41JoshHyour manager seems like a giant delta bravo
18:19.47unumit's running. you might have to readd me
18:19.51unumI moved servers
18:19.56eightyeightunum: ahh.
18:20.04eightyeightunum: unum at ugotta dot org?
18:21.21unumeightyeight: yes
18:32.47bonez45I am doing some holiday work, temp work .. at American Express.. they allow net access. but I can't access my web server at home here.. curious if one of you could load 'http://fyrenice.com' and tell me if it brings up my page for you?
18:33.31bonez45I don't know if AMEX filters out some pages but not all, or if my site is just configured weird.. if you can load it, then I assume my inability to load at AMEX is due to their restrictions
18:33.41bonez45any takers?
18:33.42eightyeightbonez45: it's timing out for me
18:33.47bonez45timing out, eh?
18:33.53SupaplexMaking connection                                                                                                          [------]
18:33.57Supaplexwaits. . .
18:34.07Supaplexyup. ditto
18:34.11bonez45hmm a time out?
18:34.19Supaplexthat's some powerful filtering. ;)
18:34.24bonez45I have it loading,b ut then I am on the same subnet with it
18:34.54bonez45I know they don't block everything.. some folks there watch youtube stuff.. when it's slow.. or shop online..
18:35.05bonez45Supaplex: so you can't load my site either?
18:35.41SupaplexI cannot
18:35.42eightyeightstill trying to make a connection
18:35.59bonez45hmmm
18:36.30Supaplex11:40:14.669856 IP 10.141.10.6.54593 > 75.145.58.209.80: S 1143467128:1143467128(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 532591005 0,nop,wscale 7>
18:36.37Supaplexyou're not acking
18:36.39eightyeightbonez45: "The server at fyrenice.com is taking too long to respond."
18:41.45leviAnyone with a Wikipedia account might want to fix the Henry Ford article.
18:41.54leviI don't really want to have my ip address logged.
18:42.01bonez45eightyeight: thanks for trying..
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18:43.13eightyeightlevi: use tor
18:45.38Sargun_Screen2Hello all.
18:45.55JoshHwhat's wrong with having your IP logged?
18:51.25Sargun_ScreenLevi hates being logged because of all the nasty things he does.
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19:06.29goozbachfor YEARS I've been mis-interpreting RFC 2317
19:10.10sjansengoozbach: How so?
19:10.31goozbachsjansen: the idea of how it works is solid.
19:11.12goozbachbut I've been placing cnames *OUT* of the zone in-addr.arpa into a TLD that I own. (eg addresses.friocorte.com)
19:11.34goozbachwhere I should have been creating a sub-domain inside of in-addr.arpa and delegating it
19:12.49goozbachmakes me wonder if it's correct in the GL275
19:13.02goozbachor if I just got stupid after leaving GL
19:13.20goozbachhere's a real life example
19:14.11goozbachI just got assigned a netblock (10.25.94.64/27) -- names changed to protect... well nothing
19:15.04goozbachthe way I understood the RFC was for the authority for 10.25.94.0/24 to add CNAMES for all of my addresses pointed to some domain I control.
19:15.51goozbachie: 64.94.25.10.in-addr.arpa. IN CNAME 64.94.25.10.in-addr.mydomain.com.
19:16.07goozbachand then I made PTR records in the domain 64.94.25.10.in-addr.mydomain.com.
19:16.12goozbachthat's not the case
19:16.31goozbachthe authority for 10.25.94.0/24 makes a special subdomain in that zone
19:17.22goozbach64/27.94.25.10.in-addr.arpa
19:17.31goozbachand delegates that domain to my dns servers
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20:01.26tensaigoozbach: the latter sounds correct to me
20:01.42goozbachtensai: yeah, that's what the RFC says
20:02.06goozbachI was under the assumption that it went the other way
20:02.10goozbachbut I was mistaken
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20:53.31sjansenhttp://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081218-copyright-cop-wedding-crashers-fined-by-spanish-court.html
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21:00.43unumhttp://sacurrent.com/news/story.asp?id=69490 <- interesting article on the NSA
21:00.46brac[SA Current - NEWS+FEATURES: Secret Agency Man]
21:02.52SargunSecret agent sauce?
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21:13.08tensaielg: I really dig minor keys
21:14.13jshipleytensai: Which is your favorit, A minor?
21:14.15tensaiin dulci jubilo is pretty cool. never heard it before.
21:14.31elgdid you find a recording of that one?
21:14.42tensaijshipley: dunno if I have a favorite, but C# minor is neat
21:14.48elgthere's several on youtube iirc, though the best one I've heard by far is the one I have on my hdd if you want a listen
21:15.01elgyou're just saying that because of rachmanoninoff
21:15.06tensaiI just listened to that midi
21:15.17elgthat doesn't do it justice by a long shot :)
21:15.24tensaielg: no, it's just because of moonlight
21:16.07elgwhat's the bwv on it?
21:16.09elggot it handy?
21:16.21tensai751 iirc
21:16.32tensaialthough wikipedia says it's 729
21:17.07elgbach did several
21:18.34tensaithe more the merrier
21:23.00elglet's see, you dig minor keys. i assume you have keyboard skillz but not much pedal skillz?
21:24.05tensaizero pedal skills and passable keyboard skills
21:24.07elgare you looking for stuff without pedal (there is some)
21:24.17elgor are you going to tackle some pedalwork?
21:24.35tensaiisn't half the fun of the organ in the pedal?
21:24.55elgwell that depends on what you call fun. :)
21:25.08elgdigit for digit the pedal is only 2 twelfths of the fun
21:25.15elgstaff for staff 1/3
21:25.26elgdifficulty for difficulty, at least half
21:26.43tensaiI guess I have heard that tune before
21:26.57elgaka good christian men rejoice
21:27.33tensaiyeah, yeah, yeah. that's where I've heard it.
21:27.49tensaisang a version of that last christmas I think
21:42.01^Migs^what would happen if I'm using VirtualBox and enable Seamless Mode, but also have Synergy installed between my host and guest?
21:42.12^Migs^I intend to find out
21:42.34elgjust don't cross the streams
21:42.39^Migs^ahahaha
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22:31.26fozzmooFirst boot: nothing
22:31.55fozzmooSecond boot: System boots from DHCP to Anaconda (thanks Cobbler) but apparently can't load installer from ISO via HTTP
22:32.15jsmithSounds like an SELinux problem
22:32.27fozzmooExploded ISO.
22:32.31JoshHsounds like you should be using debian
22:32.52jsmithfozzmoo: Still sounds like an SELinux problem :-p
22:32.52fozzmooNo, that would just slow me down.
22:32.57fozzmoojsmith: Wyzat?
22:33.13redbeard2fozzmoo: do you have the comps*.xml file set up in the http repo
22:33.14redbeard2?
22:33.22jsmithfozzmoo: Because typically the files all need to be relabeled before Apache is able to serve up the files
22:33.33fozzmooWell, I copied them there.
22:33.42fozzmoocopying gives them the same context as the parent directory.
22:33.58jsmithfozzmoo: Doesn't matter... try turning off SELinux temporarily and trying again
22:34.03fozzmooNO!
22:34.20fozzmooIt's not SELinux! :)
22:34.33jsmithCan you access the files from another machine (say, a laptop)?
22:34.43fozzmooNo.
22:35.00fozzmooBut that's because I just figured out my domain name for the virtual host wasn't in DNS
22:36.42fozzmooreboots now that named and httpd have been updated and restarted
22:36.48fozzmooAttempt 5...
22:38.18fozzmoo"cannot determine address family of $fqdn
22:38.35fozzmooHow do I turn off ipv6?
22:38.44fozzmooas a boot parameter
22:41.42maquisyawns
22:41.45fozzmoonobody knows?
22:44.04harleypigipv6=off ?
22:44.58harleypigCan you even turn off ipv6 as kernel parm?
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22:59.00fozzmooYou can turn it off in kickstart file.
23:00.52jsmithBut it wasn't an IPv6 address, was it?
23:04.01SargunBah, I hate it when I lose a box.
23:04.05SargunI know it's working
23:04.09SargunI'm routing through it.
23:04.17SargunI just don't know what/where it is
23:04.19SargunWell, I do
23:04.20Sargunit's in india
23:04.26Sargunbut I don't know its IP
23:05.08jsmithHey, any LaTeX geniuses in here that can answer a stupid question?
23:05.25jsmithIf I had the following in a .tex file, what in tarnation would it do? \usepackage[Lenny]{fncychap}
23:07.59TeneSargun: traceroute doesn't help?
23:08.08SargunTene, I made it increment the TTL.
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23:17.32leviMajel Barrett just died. :(
23:19.09bonez45who is Majel Barrett?
23:19.16harleypigI wonder who's going to do the computer voice from now on?
23:20.36jsmithharleypig: Sigourney Weaver, of course!
23:21.15harleypigbonez45: She was Number One in the original Star Trek pilot, Nurse Chapel in the original series, Lwuxana Troi in The Next Generation and the computer voice for all the versions of star trek.
23:21.23harleypigShe was also married to Gene Roddenbery.
23:21.31harleypigjsmith: that would be very cool
23:21.32bonez45ah.. ....
23:21.43bonez45cool.. I know Sigourney's brother...
23:22.08harleypigHow do you know Sigourney's brother?
23:22.23jsmithharleypig: What, you didn't watch "Galaxy Quest"?
23:22.23harleypigJamie Lee Curtis would make a good computer voice too.
23:22.42harleypigBut, for god's sake, don't let Val Kilmer near it.
23:25.34harleypigjsmith: of course
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23:27.35tensaifozzmoo: http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8203
23:27.47sjansenWho wants to bet on whether Debian will before the end of next year?
23:27.47sjansens/will/release/
23:28.22sjansenWow. That's pretty broken grammar even for me. I guess my brain refused to combine the words "Debian" and "release".
23:30.50jsmithfozzmoo: Or simply pass Anaconda the "noipv6" option
23:36.37HeartsbaneI don't think they will release next year, aren't they celebrating the 5th year of their last release?
23:39.35tensailooks like 10-28-2006 was the release date. or, that's the datestamp of /etc/debian_version anyway.
23:43.36Heartsbaneoh I left Debian for a 6 month release cycle
23:44.00bonez45Heartsbane: what do you run now?
23:44.38Heartsbaneubuntu... I left Fedora around FC2
23:45.49Heartsbanefor Debian then went to Ubuntu about 2.5 years ago
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23:54.02Heartsbanealthough I do like the direction of the F10

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