| 00:00.21 | Supaplex | EEK! |
| 00:01.21 | findlay | ~panic |
| 00:01.22 | ibot | somebody please DO something! |
| 00:01.22 | Supaplex | Jayce^: ping =) |
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| 00:37.29 | findlay | what's your favorite calendar program? |
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| 00:48.35 | keldwud | i like google |
| 00:48.46 | keldwud | I haven't had time to check others though |
| 00:51.24 | findlay | I wonder if there's an uber l33t console one |
| 00:53.34 | Tene | findlay: cal |
| 00:55.20 | findlay | hm, lots of pet projects |
| 00:56.38 | findlay | this may turn out to be much like rss. Everybody has written a minimilistic (underfeatured) exploratory app, and those are amongst some super bloated, over annoying projects |
| 00:56.55 | findlay | that don't do what you need either |
| 00:57.25 | Tene | findlay: so glue togethre some perl modules until you have something that works for you and then ignore it. |
| 00:58.19 | findlay | :) |
| 01:01.39 | findlay | basically all I want is the ability to schedule things, a running todo list, and auto ical support |
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| 01:23.40 | findlay | ~lart debian |
| 01:23.40 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack debian |
| 01:24.56 | nick125 | yay |
| 01:25.12 | nick125 | killer squirrels! |
| 01:27.32 | findlay | it keeps randomly reverting my locale to ANSI_X3.4-1968 despite that I can't find it and have only explicitly enabled en_US.UTF8 |
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| 01:32.41 | nick125 | findlay: But debian knows better! |
| 01:35.01 | findlay | nick125: only a few more days and I'll be back with gentoo :) |
| 01:36.34 | nick125 | few days? |
| 01:37.10 | findlay | yeah, I figure I'll finally have time to get it running on here |
| 01:37.15 | findlay | this weekend |
| 01:49.54 | lakshmi | nick125 ! |
| 01:49.57 | lakshmi | findlay ! |
| 01:55.37 | keldwud | hey anybody want to go on a road trip? |
| 01:55.45 | keldwud | I am going to AZ and CA |
| 01:55.56 | keldwud | up the i-5 to north cali and then back on the 80 |
| 01:56.22 | keldwud | I'm taking my motorcycle however.. heh. |
| 01:56.28 | keldwud | 8 days |
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| 02:29.43 | lakshmi | hi |
| 02:41.18 | sontek | :) |
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| 03:40.06 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server moved. Report issues to rsimpkins. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30 | LEEEROY SJANSEN!! |
| 03:48.27 | elg | eeenteresting. nm state tax website thing doesn't let you change your password, but will generate a new one for you |
| 03:48.50 | elg | forgotten password/change password all rolled into one, and nobody gets to use "password", "password1", or "sexy" |
| 03:49.31 | nick125 | elg: PIT/whatever they call it now has always been backwards. |
| 03:49.51 | elg | i thought it was an excellent efile experience |
| 03:50.17 | elg | except that it didn't set the download file name, so I had to manually rename it to .pdf |
| 03:50.56 | elg | but overall great. it filled in values i shouldn't have to fill in. it was easy to follow and had worksheets and help popups. it did everything an efile system should do |
| 03:51.27 | elg | it didn't even crash on the last day (if you file and pay electronically today is the last day) |
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| 04:32.53 | vontrapp | just when you think it's getting warm and we might have a nice weekend .... |
| 04:35.11 | Sargun | Hello, does anyone know of online courses other than @ BYU? |
| 04:35.54 | tensai | open.ac.uk |
| 04:36.13 | tensai | western governor's |
| 04:36.20 | tensai | mit has some online courses |
| 04:36.30 | tensai | ocw.mit.edu |
| 04:36.37 | fozzmoo | Sargun: You got a problem with BYU?! Huh?! |
| 04:36.38 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 04:38.49 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Uh, BYU doesn't offer CS courses... |
| 04:39.45 | fozzmoo | You got a problem with non-CS courses?! |
| 04:39.53 | Sargun | OCW is just "to learn" not for-credit. |
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| 04:54.19 | lakshmi | what is BYU? |
| 04:54.39 | lakshmi | like whats the name of the collegt? |
| 04:54.42 | Sargun | ... |
| 04:55.05 | Supaplex | lakshmi fails the #utah screening test. no soup for yew! |
| 04:55.21 | lakshmi | Supaplex what? |
| 04:56.43 | Supaplex | lakshmi: http://www.byu.edu is what |
| 04:57.14 | lakshmi | OH ! |
| 04:57.18 | lakshmi | ive heard of that! |
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| 05:06.18 | lakshmi | hey |
| 05:07.42 | Sargun | hey what? |
| 05:07.59 | Supaplex | chicken butt |
| 05:11.15 | Sargun | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q0z9iNZezS4 |
| 05:11.19 | Sargun | ~lart Supaplex |
| 05:11.19 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Supaplex |
| 05:15.56 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 05:16.19 | sontek | ~coffee maquis |
| 05:16.19 | ibot | ACTION steals some of tristanbob_'s special coffee and gives it to maquis on a silver platter. |
| 05:16.31 | encryptz | got no time for the jibba jabba |
| 05:16.34 | elg | what's that? a maquis? |
| 05:16.44 | elg | do they only come out at night? |
| 05:16.49 | maquis | Sargun: there's a *ton* of colleges that are offering free online courseware |
| 05:17.10 | maquis | elg: the maquis only come up during brief breaks from work |
| 05:23.17 | findlay | Sargun: have you done any BYU online courses? |
| 05:24.43 | findlay | is going to do one this summer |
| 05:25.42 | findlay | lakshmi !! |
| 05:26.03 | lakshmi | findlay |
| 05:26.07 | lakshmi | how are u? |
| 05:26.22 | lakshmi | i dont like it when ppl make fun of me |
| 05:26.41 | findlay | fine |
| 05:27.35 | findlay | you don't like it when the fun making doesn't include you? |
| 05:30.02 | Sargun | maquis, I don't need courseware, I need credits. |
| 05:30.06 | Sargun | findlay, I have. |
| 05:32.03 | findlay | Sargun: and? |
| 05:32.15 | findlay | how did it work out? |
| 05:32.55 | findlay | Sargun: republic credits are no good out here. I'm afraid you'll need something more real |
| 05:33.10 | Sargun | it worked out well. |
| 05:33.18 | Sargun | I got credits. |
| 05:33.53 | findlay | were they good credits, legal tender for all debts public and private? |
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| 05:37.12 | jessestay | haven't been here in awhile - what's the word of the day? |
| 05:38.11 | Sargun | jessego |
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| 05:38.41 | Sargun | who here has had the urge to kill findlay |
| 05:39.01 | jessestay | Sargun: that's why I came in here :-P |
| 05:39.25 | jessestay | shhh - don't tell findlay though |
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| 05:54.54 | linuxalien | Hello! |
| 05:59.11 | findlay | ~kill Sargun |
| 05:59.12 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-photon gun at Sargun |
| 05:59.37 | linuxalien | is installing linux again in vmware |
| 06:00.44 | findlay | ~Supaplex yesterday |
| 06:01.56 | sontek | linuxalien: so your name is linuxalien ... but you don't run linux? |
| 06:02.30 | linuxalien | sontek, I have it on my desktop |
| 06:02.37 | linuxalien | just not on my macbook |
| 06:03.03 | sontek | ahh, ok :) |
| 06:03.57 | linuxalien | hehehe I used to run Gentoo but got tired of things breaking and waiting for things to compile on a slow system so now I use Mandriva and Ubuntu |
| 06:04.53 | linuxalien | I'm a bit rusty on linux now that I've had Macs for a bit |
| 06:07.17 | findlay | linux oxide |
| 06:08.17 | linuxalien | hehe OS X is kinda nice but kind of dumbed down....but it still is unix if you bother with that aspect. |
| 06:10.42 | linuxalien | is rambling cuz he's tired |
| 06:11.34 | sontek | where does df -h get its info? |
| 06:12.38 | sontek | what I really mean, is can I tell it to scan devices that aren't mounted? =) |
| 06:13.20 | linuxalien | Oh hmmm Doesn't seem like it. Unix seems to mainly "recognize" mounted stuff |
| 06:13.35 | linuxalien | otherwise it's like trying to read a flash drive after you do the umount command? |
| 06:13.43 | linuxalien | I could be wrong |
| 06:17.30 | Sargun | Gentoo is awesome. |
| 06:17.31 | Supaplex | sontek: it only applies to mounted filesystems. mtab can have unmounted filesystems, in which case df might ignore them, otherwise it'll report - for the entries. |
| 06:18.32 | linuxalien | Sargun, yeah, really customizable but I always broke mine or it broke itself. :) The only thing I could do is install it with just the instructions. At least I learned to compile a kernel. |
| 06:18.51 | Sargun | Supaplex, /etc/mtab |
| 06:19.09 | Sargun | kernel compiling is fun! |
| 06:19.20 | linuxalien | Yeah, it's nice when a new one comes out |
| 06:22.56 | Supaplex | vim brainfart. how do I insert another file into the one I'm editing? |
| 06:23.23 | linuxalien | I need sleep. Nite! |
| 06:23.50 | Sargun | sleep? |
| 06:24.09 | linuxalien | Yup :P |
| 06:24.34 | linuxalien | If I had some Bawls I'd stay up |
| 06:24.34 | findlay | :r!cat file2 |
| 06:24.37 | Supaplex | :read ahh. |
| 06:25.19 | Supaplex | thanks findlay :) I'll try to remember that one for later too |
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| 12:39.36 | Supaplex | stretch yawn morning etc :) |
| 12:47.44 | goozbach | Supaplex: you forgot "scratch" and "smack smack smack" and "blink" |
| 12:50.26 | Supaplex | if you say so |
| 12:50.38 | Supaplex | heads out to catch a bus ~ laters! |
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| 14:27.43 | lobo235 | hello |
| 14:33.12 | lobo235 | anyone here a regular at PLUG meetings? |
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| 14:46.41 | lobo235 | who |
| 14:46.45 | lobo235 | sorry |
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| 14:47.31 | Jayce^ | lobo235: yes |
| 14:47.48 | Jayce^ | several of us here are |
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| 15:07.54 | lobo235 | when is the next PLUG meeting? |
| 15:08.27 | lobo235 | hello whiteinge |
| 15:09.01 | whiteinge | lobo235: hey! welcome to #utah :-) |
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| 15:09.07 | lobo235 | thanks |
| 15:09.51 | whiteinge | PLUG just got spiffy new hosting |
| 15:10.00 | whiteinge | at Teir Four |
| 15:10.04 | lobo235 | yeah, i saw that on their site |
| 15:10.16 | lobo235 | i wonder how much their co-location costs |
| 15:10.19 | whiteinge | that building is awesome |
| 15:10.25 | whiteinge | it's a lot |
| 15:10.27 | lobo235 | I have not seen it |
| 15:11.04 | whiteinge | back when they were Center7 the costs were much, much cheaper. you could almost afford a U if you got a few friends together to chip in. |
| 15:12.03 | lobo235 | I have been using a fake VPS from westhost.com for my hosting recently |
| 15:12.37 | whiteinge | like it? |
| 15:12.39 | lobo235 | it has been good performance-wise but not very flexible |
| 15:12.48 | lobo235 | the price is right too |
| 15:13.10 | lobo235 | I am really craving my own dedicated server or co-located server |
| 15:13.13 | whiteinge | i'm still hosting stuff out of my house :-P |
| 15:13.31 | whiteinge | yeah, colo would be awesome |
| 15:14.05 | lobo235 | I have thought about doing that because I am on the iProvo 10mbps fiber but I host a few sites for clients and they would get mad when I reboot my server at home when I tinker with the hardware, etc |
| 15:14.18 | Jayce^ | lobo235: next meeting is wednesday |
| 15:14.34 | lobo235 | where will the meeting bet? |
| 15:14.36 | lobo235 | be? |
| 15:15.12 | Jayce^ | omniture |
| 15:15.48 | lobo235 | is that in the old wordperfect buildings? |
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| 15:29.33 | whiteinge | sontek or goozbach_testing: ping |
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| 15:33.56 | levi | Good morning, #utah. |
| 15:34.13 | beandog | good morning |
| 15:35.48 | unum | so I'm trying to install fam-devel on rhel4 |
| 15:35.55 | unum | I tried up2date fam-devel |
| 15:36.01 | unum | and it said package not found |
| 15:36.10 | unum | I really think the package should be there... |
| 15:38.38 | unum | oh it's not |
| 15:38.42 | unum | it's been removed.... |
| 15:40.52 | unum | hmm I'm trying to install SGI:FAM from CPAN and I'm getting errors |
| 15:41.00 | unum | I found a page that said I needed to install fam-devel |
| 15:41.12 | unum | but it looks like that's no longer current |
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| 16:00.18 | elg | unum: you're trying to develop a family? |
| 16:03.00 | levi | elg: I'm working on one of those. And I thought coding projects were time-consuming... ;) |
| 16:03.17 | elg | :) |
| 16:03.28 | elg | i think our approach is more fun than the rpm approach |
| 16:03.44 | unum | turns on I need to be using gamin not fam |
| 16:03.56 | unum | but that's not working either.... |
| 16:04.07 | sinuhe | elg: I just got here. What is the approach that is alternative to rpm? |
| 16:09.51 | elg | unum: so I'm trying to install fam-devel on rhel4 |
| 16:12.12 | sontek | whiteinge: pnog |
| 16:12.18 | levi | Heh. Someone asks Slashdot a question on ethics. Recipe for disaster. |
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| 16:12.56 | lobo235 | levi: I saw that |
| 16:12.57 | whiteinge | sontek: the twitter plugin has spiked my cpu to 100% on two occasions, I was wondering if you have seen that before I file a bug report |
| 16:13.58 | whiteinge | sontek: I'm not sure, but I think it happens when the plugin either loses connection to the internet, or maybe just to twitter... |
| 16:14.12 | sontek | whiteinge: I haven't had that issue, file a bug report |
| 16:14.21 | whiteinge | righto |
| 16:14.35 | sontek | we aren't doing any CPU intensive stuff so it might be one of the perl libs dieing |
| 16:14.44 | sontek | we are just pulling data down and displaying it :P |
| 16:15.28 | whiteinge | sounds likely |
| 16:15.37 | levi | gNewSense is the most ridiculous name for a Linux distribution. The FSF needs a marketing department. :P |
| 16:17.12 | levi | Whoa, Adobe announced that it's opening the SWF and FLV formats. |
| 16:17.20 | lobo235 | nice |
| 16:18.14 | lobo235 | I have been wanting to try some Flash game development but didn't want to fork out money for adobe's products. There will probably be good open source apps built when those file formats are opened |
| 16:18.51 | levi | Would the Flex stuff work for that, or is it too app-centered? |
| 16:19.07 | levi | (I haven't really looked at Flex, just heard that it exists and is open source) |
| 16:19.14 | sinuhe | gNewSense is quite nice. |
| 16:19.38 | lobo235 | levi: I don't know much about it |
| 16:19.40 | levi | sinuhe: Of course it is, it's Ubuntu minus some stuff that is ideologically incorrect. |
| 16:20.03 | sinuhe | levi: If freedom is an ideology, sure. |
| 16:20.34 | levi | FSF isn't about freedom, it's about Freedom as defined by the FSF, which is not necessarily how anyone else defines it. |
| 16:21.19 | sinuhe | levi: How do *you* define freedom? |
| 16:21.32 | levi | sinuhe: I'm not getting into a discussion about this right now, sorry. |
| 16:22.05 | beandog | agrees with levi on that one |
| 16:24.12 | sinuhe | finds it interesting how easy it is to attack (FSF isn't about Freedom) in a public forum, and then say you don't want to talk about it when someone wants to rebut the attack. |
| 16:24.33 | levi | FSF most certainly is about Freedom, as defined by FSF. |
| 16:24.55 | levi | They have very specific ideas about what Freedom means. However, in English, the word freedom is a bit more abstract than that. |
| 16:25.34 | levi | Insisting that the FSF version of Freedom is the only way to interpret the word freedom in the context of software is a bit offensive to me, but I'm not going to get into the reasons. |
| 16:25.39 | sinuhe | levi: Do you agree with the four freedoms? |
| 16:26.32 | levi | I think they're nice, but I don't believe they're inalienable. |
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| 16:27.43 | levi | They certainly constitute an ideology, though. If you find that offensive, I'm sorry. |
| 16:28.08 | levi | I don't think I've said anything you need to rebut. |
| 16:28.36 | ^Migs^ | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200804/errord/OhDear.JPG |
| 16:28.51 | ^Migs^ | my boss is acting strange |
| 16:29.25 | ^Migs^ | normally he's a really open minded person and is willing to do the right thing, but lately he's been the opposite, and been kind of close-minded, and not "thinking outside the box" like he usually does |
| 16:29.40 | elg | maybe he lost his box |
| 16:29.44 | sinuhe | levi: inalienable as a word assumes "rights" as a topic. I think the point of the four freedoms is to combat rights oriented thinking, not establish an ideology. |
| 16:29.48 | ^Migs^ | maybe there is no box! |
| 16:30.04 | harleypig | anyone know which driver I should install for cups for a canon mf6580? |
| 16:30.05 | ^Migs^ | close-minded wasn't the right word |
| 16:30.16 | harleypig | google just gives me a bunch of product review and windows related site. |
| 16:30.25 | harleypig | even with +linux in the query. |
| 16:30.26 | ^Migs^ | he's still an awesome boss, I'm just a little concerned about him |
| 16:30.42 | ^Migs^ | we just launched this new reality makeover show we're putting on in our district: www.techmyclass.com |
| 16:31.06 | ^Migs^ | launched about 2 hours ago. I've been working on it for a couple weeks. Yesterday he comes and sees he wants a complete overhaul of the site. I'm like, wtf? Why didn't you mention this a week ago? |
| 16:31.33 | ^Migs^ | then today he tells me he wants to move our entire student/parent/employee portal to Lansa for the Web. |
| 16:31.45 | harleypig | Your search - +linux +mf6580 compatible driver -windows - did not match any documents. |
| 16:32.19 | ^Migs^ | it's on J2EE (WebLogic) now. Although I hate WebLogic and the support is retarded, Lansa for the Web would be worse. |
| 16:32.20 | levi | sinuhe: Here you go quibbling about your definitions being the only right ones again. There are senses in which freedoms are different from rights, but the '4 freedoms' are indeed rights guranteed by the GPL, which is a license. You really need to drop this, because I'm not talking about it anymore with you. If you insist on continuing, I'll /ignore you. |
| 16:32.37 | ^Migs^ | ZERO community support, NOT open source, no Ajax support, no third-party libraries... |
| 16:32.47 | ^Migs^ | it just has this "whiz-bang" interface |
| 16:32.48 | xbmodder_ | Don't use WebLogic. |
| 16:32.56 | ^Migs^ | too late, xbmodder. It was here when I started this job. |
| 16:33.30 | sinuhe | levi: Quibbling about my definitions? When were we talking about definitions? As for the GPL and establishing rights in terms of the four freedoms, I agree. |
| 16:35.40 | sinuhe | levi: I'm also curious what you mean by "again"? |
| 16:37.22 | goozbach | sinuhe: didn't you know? You're one of those "GNU elitists". You are all the same, if you've debated one, you've debated them all. :) |
| 16:38.58 | levi | sinuhe: 'again' referring to your insinuation that FSF is just about 'freedom' and doesn't have an ideology beyond that, and your offense (or so I perceived) at my statement that FSF has a particular definition of Freedom. |
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| 16:40.22 | ^Migs^ | maybe I'll finally have some stories for thedailywtf.com that don't involve "new guy" |
| 16:40.25 | sinuhe | levi: I was responding to your comment with my own. I think you're perceiving emotions where there aren't any. I think it's an interesting topic for discussion, but if you're not interested, I'll drop it. |
| 16:40.42 | ^Migs^ | I WANTED to move to JBoss, but I guess I didn't aggressively push it enough |
| 16:41.55 | harleypig | omg ... Ozzy Osbourne and Dweezil Zappa sing Staying Alive! |
| 16:42.07 | levi | sinuhe: Okay, thanks. I'm not sure why you wouldn't drop it earlier when I said I didn't want to get into it. |
| 16:44.45 | sinuhe | levi: Because you stated an opinion in a form of attack, but then stated it was plonk worthy to state a disagreement. In my mind, if you post on a public forum an opinion, you should be willing to engage responses to that opinion. That's where I was coming from. |
| 16:47.12 | levi | sinuhe: It's an opinion. We're all entitled to them. You can respond to my opinion with your own, but you shouldn't expect that I want to get into a fruitless argument about it. Feel free to correct me when I'm factually wrong, though. |
| 16:48.56 | levi | (sometimes I *do* seem to want to get into fruitless arguments, but now is not one of those times. :) ) |
| 16:49.08 | elg | phew |
| 16:49.22 | elg | so I finally finished writing this stupid paper. in the end, a worthy experience I must admit |
| 16:49.30 | levi | Congrats! |
| 16:49.34 | elg | really did help me to understand the stuff |
| 16:49.42 | elg | one more proofread, on real paper |
| 16:50.05 | sinuhe | factually wrong...sigh. |
| 16:50.09 | levi | Finishing a huge project is always exciting. I was giddy when my compiler first ran a program correctly. |
| 16:50.45 | elg | 69 pages. hmm, what fluff can I add to get it up to 70? ;-) |
| 16:50.56 | levi | 69 pages? Yow. |
| 16:51.22 | elg | yeah. with latex margins and lots of figures (lifted from other papers, mostly) and references, toc, etc. |
| 16:51.23 | elg | but yeah |
| 16:51.44 | elg | 17289 words |
| 16:51.57 | tensai | elg: summarize the paper with a haiku |
| 16:52.02 | levi | Still, that's a pretty hefty paper. |
| 16:52.08 | elg | maybe if I could write a haiku |
| 16:52.15 | elg | long paper. computer music. fun |
| 16:52.20 | elg | is that a haiku? |
| 16:53.07 | levi | I'm no haiku expert, but I'm pretty sure it's missing the syllabic pattern and thematic requirements. |
| 16:53.17 | lobo235 | What do you guys use to monitor bandwidth from the command line? |
| 16:53.24 | elg | iftop |
| 16:53.38 | lobo235 | I use iftop and bwm-ng |
| 16:53.48 | elg | you win |
| 16:53.52 | lobo235 | hehe |
| 16:54.10 | lobo235 | I just want to know what else is out there because I'm not highly satisfied with either |
| 16:54.22 | elg | i'm not familiar with bwm-ng |
| 16:54.30 | elg | what's missing, in your opinion? |
| 16:55.51 | lobo235 | when using iftop if I get a spike of really fast traffic then the graph's max is set too high and the lower sources aren't even graphed |
| 16:55.56 | lobo235 | if that makes sense |
| 16:56.38 | lobo235 | I wish It would do a 30s average or something like that so the graph is scaled back down after the spike |
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| 16:57.27 | lobo235 | Some color would be nice too (similar to htop) |
| 16:57.58 | tuple | htop makes me seasick |
| 16:58.06 | tuple | but tasteful color could be nice |
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| 17:10.15 | lobo235 | bbl, lunchtime |
| 17:15.35 | rsimpkins | Oops. Looks like the PLUG mailing list was broken since last night. Hopefully it is working now. |
| 17:21.07 | tuple | how was it broken? |
| 17:22.21 | rsimpkins | mailman wasn't running. |
| 17:22.43 | tuple | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.51 | rsimpkins | yup |
| 17:23.09 | tuple | i remember that now |
| 17:23.10 | tuple | stupid box |
| 17:23.26 | tuple | any idea why it's doing that? it does the same to the PTYs, so you can't run screen except as root |
| 17:23.56 | rsimpkins | I don't really have time to look in to it. I do plan on upgrading the hardware in the next year or so though. |
| 17:31.12 | tuple | i hear ya |
| 17:31.36 | tuple | now there are two of us that will smack our foreheads when mailman doesn't come up |
| 17:34.39 | synic | rsimpkins: the chicken is in the basket. I'll let you know when I can track it so I can tell you when it's going to be here. |
| 17:35.58 | rsimpkins | synic: Sweet. Thank you for letting me know. |
| 17:40.58 | mrpull | from the plug list: "Now it occurs to me that an engineer as talented as Hans would be able to think up a good way to make a body disappear" |
| 17:41.14 | mrpull | when I read that... I thought, would Elg take this as a complement or no? |
| 17:41.21 | tuple | heh |
| 17:41.24 | mrpull | than I recalled that reiser was hans too :) |
| 17:42.09 | tuple | i was reading some comments on lwn that suggest he has some disorder that makes him somewhat inept at manual labor sorts of things |
| 17:42.41 | tuple | i.e. he may be smart, but not in a way compatible with hiding evidence |
| 17:42.52 | tuple | of course that's 3rd or 4th or who knows what hand info |
| 17:43.07 | mrpull | I read wired's coverage of the trial pretty closely. |
| 17:43.26 | mrpull | I was pretty convinced (2nd/3rd hand of course) that he had a motive |
| 17:43.36 | mrpull | but his quirks do lead to a shadow of doubt |
| 17:43.56 | mrpull | it would have been a difficult decision for me I'm sure |
| 17:44.30 | tuple | no body, the kids end up in russia. if the mother is still alive, she's in russia with her kids, away from monster hans |
| 17:44.54 | tuple | if i had to decide, i'd want to see that hole plugged |
| 17:45.18 | mrpull | have you read about their relationship? they were into some kinky stuff. |
| 17:45.40 | tuple | just little bits here and there. |
| 17:47.40 | tensai | it's hard to say since everything we have is 2nd, 3rd, 4th hand, but I'm not 100% convinced |
| 17:48.10 | tuple | i lean toward guilty, but wouldn't try to defend my position |
| 17:48.16 | tuple | not even to emcnabb |
| 17:48.34 | mrpull | i doubt I could sit through any high profile trial and not have _any_ doubt |
| 17:48.55 | tensai | which is why the standard is "reasonable" doubt, right? |
| 17:49.05 | mrpull | being 100% sure about anything is something I might not be capable of |
| 17:49.10 | tensai | mrpull: you can't even make an opinion about doubt without doubting :) |
| 17:49.15 | tuple | exactly |
| 17:57.51 | Tene | strace -p $(pidof tene) |
| 17:57.53 | Tene | dostuff() = -137 ETOOTIRED (Way too tired to do anything) |
| 17:59.07 | rsimpkins | I think it is important to look at everything he did - not just around the time in question. |
| 17:59.32 | rsimpkins | For example. Was he the kind of guy to fill his car with water, rip out seats, and carry around large piles of cash? |
| 17:59.45 | rsimpkins | Are those types of off the wall things 'normal' for him? |
| 18:00.38 | tensai | kill -NAP Tene |
| 18:02.22 | trixtur | rsimpkins: is there something special that needs to be done to post to the plug list? |
| 18:04.30 | trixtur | just curious cause I sent an email to plug@plug.org, and never saw it or any responses |
| 18:04.40 | tuple | this is interesting http://wubi-installer.org/ |
| 18:04.44 | brac | [Wubi - Ubuntu Installer for Windows] |
| 18:11.37 | elg | anyone want to play a lunchtime game of wesnoth? |
| 18:23.29 | jsmith | elg: I wish I had time |
| 18:47.52 | elg | needs to get some fun friends |
| 18:47.59 | elg | ;-) |
| 18:49.52 | beandog | volunteers |
| 18:49.57 | beandog | I'm lonely. |
| 18:50.00 | beandog | and desperate. |
| 18:50.02 | beandog | please to hang. |
| 18:50.18 | elg | you play wesnoth? :) |
| 18:50.19 | beandog | and I have an HDTV :D |
| 18:50.27 | elg | :D yeah but you live 800 miles away |
| 18:50.32 | beandog | I do? |
| 18:50.34 | elg | i need virtual friends. ;-) |
| 18:50.34 | beandog | where do you live |
| 18:50.44 | elg | southern new mexico |
| 18:50.56 | beandog | oh. |
| 18:51.01 | beandog | meh |
| 18:51.07 | beandog | well, so much for making friends |
| 18:51.09 | beandog | I'm doomed. |
| 18:51.13 | elg | hehe |
| 18:51.32 | elg | we can go to the same movie at the same time, or watch the same show at the same time, and call it friend |
| 18:51.52 | beandog | now that would be a little creepy even for me |
| 18:55.17 | dmdavis | if you can get wireless in the theater, you could even discuss the movie with each other while watching |
| 18:55.56 | beandog | okay, that would be cool. |
| 18:56.08 | beandog | like mst3k in realtime over the intertubes |
| 19:02.25 | elg | can we get virtual shadows? |
| 19:02.34 | elg | so like, you see your shadow, and my ghostly shadow too |
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| 19:15.01 | bonez44 | anyone know..can one play World of Warcraft or City of Heroes .... and run it well...all the goodies on Linux yet? |
| 19:16.20 | levi | I'm pretty sure you can run WoW via cedega or something. |
| 19:16.52 | beandog | why would you want to play a game by developers that sued an open source project (and won)? |
| 19:16.57 | beandog | ~evil blizzard |
| 19:17.12 | beandog | I mean, aside from the fact that the game is fun. :) |
| 19:17.24 | levi | That's pretty much it, I think. :) |
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| 19:20.00 | bonez44 | beandog: gee....bean, I didnt' KNOW that blizzard had sued an open source project |
| 19:20.11 | bonez44 | where can i read about this suit? |
| 19:22.12 | beandog | oh, what was the name of the project. |
| 19:22.13 | beandog | crap. |
| 19:23.13 | beandog | bnetd |
| 19:23.31 | beandog | http://www.eff.org/cases/blizzard-v-bnetd |
| 19:25.54 | bonez44 | beandog: thanks for the link...so essentially, this was not blizzard attacking FOSS per se...just this particular vendor... |
| 19:25.59 | beandog | no |
| 19:26.03 | beandog | bnetd was an oss project |
| 19:26.14 | beandog | it was just duplicating the functionality |
| 19:26.21 | bonez44 | ok |
| 19:26.21 | beandog | of letting you create your own servers, or something |
| 19:26.26 | beandog | from what I understand. |
| 19:26.40 | tensai | the case hinged on their accused reverse engineering of blizzards password hashing code |
| 19:26.46 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnetd |
| 19:26.48 | bonez44 | I have a potential convert...but she says her hubby HAS tohave windows to play those games...... |
| 19:27.10 | tensai | blizzard wasn't thrilled about bnetd, but couldn't stop it just because. they had to find something actually illegal. |
| 19:27.32 | beandog | tensai, sounds about right |
| 19:28.16 | tensai | for all the good it did. I can still apt-get install bnetd. |
| 19:29.03 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKc0iQ4jnUY |
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| 19:43.31 | bonez44 | I have a box .. that I have running without monitor or keyboard..I can ssh to it...but I don't need to have it hooked up directly...is there a way with samba or otherwise, to set it up so I can access files on it....from a windows box? |
| 19:49.03 | unum | wow some crazy stuff can come out of the novell vs sco case |
| 19:49.16 | unum | opensolaris may be in trouble |
| 19:49.26 | lobo235 | bonez44: yes, samba can do that for you |
| 19:49.32 | sjansen | unum: reference? |
| 19:50.21 | unum | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080430193035760 <- near the bottom of the main post is where SCO says that's what should happen if they lose |
| 19:51.20 | lobo235 | bonez44: also, even with SSH access only you could use Filezilla on the windows box to connect via SFTP and transfer files to and from the linux box |
| 19:51.57 | lobo235 | bonez44: samba is a better choice if it's something you will have to do frequently or if you need to teach someone less tech-savvy how to do it |
| 19:55.37 | sjansen | I have a hard time seeing Novell attacking OpenSolaris. |
| 19:56.38 | bonez44 | lobo235: I've used samba in the past.. Iguess I need to set it up and all the permissions and shares on the etch box, right? and then add the shares into windows? |
| 19:57.29 | lobo235 | bonez44: yes, basically |
| 19:57.45 | bonez44 | lobo235: on the same note...could I employ samba with VPN of some sort...to create a link between office here and home....for backup and archive, and such? |
| 19:58.03 | mrpull | sjansen: but how about microsoft dressed in novell clothes? |
| 19:58.08 | lobo235 | bonez44: there are many HOWTOs on the web that will help you through the process |
| 19:58.34 | sjansen | If anything, I see Novell using the SCO Unix license mess to play hard ball with Microsoft. |
| 19:58.39 | bonez44 | ok... |
| 19:58.41 | lobo235 | bonez44: Yes, I am pretty sure you can acheive that with the openvpn package |
| 19:58.49 | unum | ya novell is trying to leave the licenses in place |
| 19:58.55 | sinuhe | sjansen: You think the deal was a ruse? |
| 19:59.18 | unum | even though their legal guy says they wouldn't have entered the agreement |
| 19:59.24 | bonez44 | excellent |
| 19:59.57 | bonez44 | last question, before I head out for lunch.... |
| 20:00.27 | lobo235 | bonez44: samba is not a very efficient protocol and is extremely slow over a VPN link in my experience. For remote hosts I would recommend SFTP or even plain FTP if you're not too concerned about security |
| 20:00.52 | sjansen | It wouldn't surprise me to find out the big MS payout to Novell was a direct result of Novell going to MS a saying "You can see the writing on the wall, can't you. Now we could do this the easy way, or the hard way." Then MS, having studied Judo, saw a chance to turn things to their advantage. |
| 20:00.58 | bonez44 | I have a linux box..the same box...I want to stick it in my laundry room where my cable comes in...to home... and to the SMC gateway....want to have it there, and forward port 22.. to it...so that I can have a purely linux ssh point...with which to connect to home..and from there to my machines there... |
| 20:02.19 | bonez44 | I'll install it there..and then see if I can find its IP on the network ..and set up port 22 to it.... |
| 20:02.42 | bonez44 | back after lunch.... |
| 20:02.48 | lobo235 | ok |
| 20:02.50 | lobo235 | see ya |
| 20:16.19 | sjansen | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080501-deluded-sco-ceo-on-witness-stand-linux-is-a-copy-of-unix.html |
| 20:24.45 | levi | Cool, ext4. |
| 20:29.37 | sjansen | levi: Are you joining ranks of the brave and crazy sacrificing your data so I don't have to? |
| 20:30.10 | levi | No, I just think it's cool that extfs is getting a new version. |
| 20:36.36 | nick125 | dangit, that's what I forgot to put in my last kernel build. |
| 20:37.18 | Tene | Any rubyists in the house that are going to be online tonight? |
| 20:46.07 | lobo235 | never tried ruby |
| 20:46.58 | lobo235 | sorry |
| 20:48.57 | findlay | Tene: elg is the ruby master |
| 20:50.10 | findlay | ~seen cbrown |
| 20:50.14 | ibot | cbrown <n=cbrown@fw.vpxp.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 233d 16h 52s ago, saying: 'ty'. |
| 20:51.48 | Tene | ibot: elg |
| 20:51.49 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, elg is that freak in new mexico, or a yak herder at heart |
| 20:52.01 | Tene | ibot: elg is also the ruby master |
| 20:52.01 | ibot | ACTION straps is also the ruby master to the underside of an organ pedalboard and gets down with some Bach. |
| 20:53.10 | findlay | ~factoid elg |
| 20:53.11 | ibot | ACTION gives elg a cup of trinitrotoluene |
| 20:53.27 | findlay | ~factinfo elg |
| 20:53.27 | ibot | elg -- last modified at Mon Mar 5 17:22:45 2007 by vontrapp!n=von@71.35.254.49; it has been requested 5 times, last by Tene, 1m 38s ago. |
| 20:53.43 | findlay | ~literal elg |
| 20:53.44 | ibot | "elg" is "that freak in new mexico, or a yak herder at heart" |
| 20:55.03 | Tene | So sleepy. Two more chapters left today. |
| 20:59.12 | nick125 | debates on whether he should stick with lighttpd or migrate to Apache. |
| 21:04.26 | Heartsbane | Son of a Beach |
| 21:05.06 | Heartsbane | I am going to be in Denver, for work, at the same time of the the PLUG meeting |
| 21:05.21 | Heartsbane | and it looks like a good one |
| 21:07.03 | nick125 | Heartsbane: Have someone record it? |
| 21:09.02 | Heartsbane | nick125: working on it |
| 21:09.15 | nick125 | I thought PLUG meetings were recorded |
| 21:09.28 | tensai | I bet herlo is planning to record it. he's like that you know. |
| 21:09.32 | lobo235 | I am going to try and attend this PLUG meeting. It will be my first |
| 21:14.30 | levi | Hmm, a friend of mine just passed her Ph.D. defense. |
| 21:16.57 | bonez44 | defense? |
| 21:16.58 | Heartsbane | tensai: like that? |
| 21:17.35 | lobo235 | ibot: lobo235 |
| 21:19.06 | levi | bonez44: When you finish your dissertation, you have to give an oral presentation before a committee, during which they ask you questions to asess the value of your work. |
| 21:20.36 | tensai | Heartsbane: like the kind of guy who would record lug meetings and then post them on his website |
| 21:21.22 | Heartsbane | tensai: is that a bad thing or a good thing? |
| 21:21.50 | tensai | Heartsbane: definitely a good thing |
| 21:22.00 | Heartsbane | oh cool |
| 21:23.53 | lobo235 | bonez44: did you still have a question you were going to ask us? |
| 21:24.52 | tensai | Heartsbane: http://www.utos.org/category/streaming/ |
| 21:25.44 | Heartsbane | tensai: or http://podcasts.utos.org/ |
| 21:29.14 | findlay | ~ask |
| 21:29.15 | ibot | it has been said that ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 21:30.14 | findlay | ibot: can I meta ask to ask you something for which I don't know what it is, but maybe I just want to ask about something you don't know anything about? |
| 21:41.30 | sjansen | foo bar baz qux quux corge grault garply waldo fred plugh xyzzy thud |
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| 21:45.59 | findlay | WALDO! |
| 21:46.41 | nick125 | debates on sticking with lighttpd or moving to apache.. |
| 21:47.21 | findlay | you have to like it when you search for a textbook on an international bookseller site and the first/cheapest hit comes up at a store down the street |
| 21:47.48 | findlay | nick125: why are you debating? |
| 21:48.00 | findlay | you can use both, you know. Take advantage of each |
| 21:48.30 | nick125 | findlay: I'm talking about for my site. Apache's mod_proxy has caching (and works with Plone's cachefu product). |
| 21:49.20 | nick125 | that saves me from having to setup varnish or squid..but..I'm not sure if I want to deal with apache |
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| 21:51.44 | findlay | ~rubyelg |
| 21:51.51 | findlay | ~perlcamel |
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| 22:11.50 | elg | you know, i feel really bad for the widow of a nigerian who really does have millions in a us bank account |
| 22:17.48 | levi | Heh. If such a person really existed. |
| 22:19.59 | mrpull | best nigerian scammer baiting ever: |
| 22:20.00 | mrpull | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvyrzQldOKE |
| 22:20.35 | mrpull | "I wish to make a complaint" |
| 22:25.31 | findlay | mrpull: in town? :) |
| 22:25.50 | mrpull | I am. Still salivating over that model am? |
| 22:25.55 | mrpull | (stupid pidgin) |
| 22:26.02 | mrpull | m |
| 22:26.07 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:26.32 | mrpull | meeting is the 17th right? |
| 22:26.43 | mrpull | I'm out of town the 6-13th |
| 22:26.52 | mrpull | but should be back for plug. I haven't been in 2008. |
| 22:26.55 | mrpull | too much travel. |
| 22:27.10 | findlay | plug.org says the 14th |
| 22:27.29 | mrpull | doh... right... 14th. |
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| 22:57.18 | tensai | hey hey. now this is a Terms of Service I can agree with. |
| 22:57.23 | tensai | and I quote: "null" |
| 22:59.37 | maquis | tensai: cool! |
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| 23:00.04 | maquis | thedailywtf had one one time where the terms of service was an explanation of how to set the terms of service |
| 23:01.38 | tensai | maquis: looks like it was a cookies issue |
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| 23:32.38 | levi | Hey, it's maquis! |
| 23:35.26 | Supaplex | I'm ~/ @ last \o/ |
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| 23:45.57 | Supaplex | ~eat tensai's cookies |
| 23:45.58 | ibot | ACTION eats tensai's cookies and falls over dead |
| 23:48.18 | maquis | levi: hi |
| 23:48.23 | maquis | sorry... i disappeared for a while |
| 23:48.26 | findlay | well doesn't that just boil your broccoli? |
| 23:48.28 | maquis | ~steal tensai's cookies |
| 23:48.29 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's cookies and gives it to maquis |
| 23:50.49 | levi | maquis: Yeah you did. Shame on you for abandoning your friends here! ;) |
| 23:51.02 | levi | Speaking of which, I must disappear to head home from work. |
| 23:51.59 | maquis | sorry |
| 23:52.01 | maquis | i was working |
