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| 00:20.17 | Heartsbane | so did I |
| 00:20.50 | unum | about 4 days before my candidate dropped out |
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| 00:30.47 | herlo | Wegg: ron paul won't win |
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| 00:34.04 | Tene | herlo: are you supposed to vote for the candidate you support or the candidate you think will win? |
| 00:34.22 | Tene | herlo: you don't get any points for voting for the candidate that won. (and if you ever do, that's a bad sign) |
| 00:35.35 | herlo | Tene: didn't say that |
| 00:37.58 | herlo | Tene: I'm not voting for the winner just because he might win |
| 00:38.16 | herlo | I'm voting for who I think is the best choice for me / the nation, but hey |
| 00:38.31 | Tene | I was just harassing you. :) |
| 00:38.49 | herlo | Tene: hehe, I'll continue with my devious ways |
| 00:38.57 | herlo | ~wedgie Tene |
| 00:38.58 | ibot | ACTION hangs Tene from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 00:39.26 | Supaplex | that I gotta avoid seeing |
| 00:57.51 | Tene | http://web.meson.org/blazonserver/ |
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| 01:10.46 | graphyx | is there something like synaptic package manager for windows that will install and update open source projects? |
| 01:11.03 | graphyx | I want to install it on my wifes computer to get her used to it to get her on linux. |
| 01:13.49 | Tene | There isn't. |
| 01:13.55 | graphyx | thats a shame. |
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| 01:21.59 | lakshmi | i'mm baaaccckkkkk |
| 01:22.06 | lakshmi | didja miss me ? |
| 01:22.10 | lakshmi | ibot? |
| 01:22.16 | lakshmi | ~miss lakshmi |
| 01:22.17 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of lakshmi. |
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| 01:31.06 | Sargun | lakshmi, |
| 01:31.25 | lakshmi | hye sargun |
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| 01:47.07 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 01:47.07 | ibot | pong |
| 01:47.39 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 01:47.39 | ibot | pong |
| 01:47.43 | Sargun | dude. |
| 01:48.07 | Sargun | oops. |
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| 02:00.00 | Sargun | ~ping |
| 02:00.00 | ibot | pong |
| 02:02.40 | Sargun | I believe timriker enjoys pretending to be ibot in his spare time |
| 02:04.42 | Sargun | <ibot> Someone already said that 8 seconds ago |
| 02:04.42 | Sargun | <Sargun> stupid bot. |
| 02:04.42 | Sargun | <ibot> Stupid human. |
| 02:04.42 | Sargun | <Sargun> screw you! |
| 02:04.42 | Sargun | * ibot asks you! to bend over |
| 02:04.57 | Tene | lakshmi: hi |
| 02:05.09 | lakshmi | Tene HEY!! |
| 02:05.33 | lakshmi | Sargun maybe your going crazy!? |
| 02:05.49 | lakshmi | guess what!? |
| 02:05.59 | lakshmi | im gunna fail outa college! |
| 02:06.03 | Sargun | Tene, Hi! |
| 02:06.04 | lakshmi | tene sup? |
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| 02:09.31 | mgeary | hey, anyone still around? |
| 02:09.41 | mgeary | i need some help doing a quick load test |
| 02:09.47 | Tene | hi |
| 02:09.55 | Sargun | No. |
| 02:10.04 | Sargun | Nobody is around at 18:10 |
| 02:10.09 | Sargun | mgeary, Anyways, how can we help? |
| 02:10.13 | lakshmi | i think ima have to get my wisdom teath out |
| 02:10.15 | lakshmi | er teeth |
| 02:10.28 | Sargun | Cool. |
| 02:10.52 | mgeary | Sargun: we've got a liteweight multi-user chat |
| 02:11.01 | mgeary | i'm trying to get a feel for how it behaves under increased load |
| 02:11.25 | Sargun | uh |
| 02:11.26 | Sargun | linkage? |
| 02:11.33 | Sargun | Ajaxian? |
| 02:12.51 | mgeary | dang. gotta do some things to let non-auth'd users in |
| 02:12.57 | mgeary | sorry. i'll ping again in a few |
| 02:13.02 | Sargun | Oh, ok. |
| 02:13.09 | Sargun | Why, is this going live in a bit? |
| 02:14.31 | mgeary | yeah |
| 02:14.32 | mgeary | http://dev.richlifeclub.com/_122123/index.php |
| 02:14.34 | mgeary | okay |
| 02:14.40 | mgeary | hit that link and start posting messages |
| 02:14.44 | mgeary | let me know how the response is |
| 02:15.03 | mgeary | k? |
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| 02:18.17 | lakshmi | Sargun |
| 02:21.01 | Sargun | crash crash, burn burn |
| 02:21.24 | Sargun | Found |
| 02:21.25 | Sargun | The document has moved here. |
| 02:21.25 | Sargun | Apache/2.2.6 (EL) Server at dev.richlifeclub.com Port 80 |
| 02:21.26 | Sargun | FAIL! |
| 02:21.29 | mgeary | yeah |
| 02:21.31 | mgeary | you miseed it |
| 02:21.33 | mgeary | missed it |
| 02:21.39 | Sargun | ? |
| 02:21.40 | Sargun | missed what? |
| 02:21.47 | mgeary | the window of opportunity :) |
| 02:21.57 | Sargun | meh |
| 02:21.59 | mgeary | yeah |
| 02:22.04 | Sargun | :-P |
| 02:22.17 | mgeary | i'm just gonna try again tomorrow when i can get more suckers^D^D^D^D^D^D helpers |
| 02:22.23 | mgeary | but thanks |
| 02:22.36 | Sargun | ok |
| 02:23.15 | lakshmi | explode explode, fire fire |
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| 02:24.50 | Sargun | ibot, fail is an option |
| 02:24.51 | ibot | is an option: Fail. |
| 02:25.01 | Sargun | o.O? |
| 02:25.12 | Sargun | ibot, FAIL |
| 02:25.22 | Sargun | ibot, fail! is an option |
| 02:25.23 | ibot | Sargun: okay |
| 02:25.29 | Sargun | ibot, fail! |
| 02:25.30 | ibot | [fail!] an option |
| 02:25.42 | Sargun | ibot, failure is not an option |
| 02:25.43 | ibot | i already had it that way, Sargun |
| 02:25.53 | Sargun | ibot, no, failure is an option |
| 02:25.54 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 02:25.58 | Sargun | ibot, failure |
| 02:25.59 | ibot | well, failure is an option |
| 02:26.05 | Sargun | ibot, no, failure is always an option |
| 02:26.06 | ibot | okay, Sargun |
| 02:26.14 | lakshmi | no |
| 02:26.21 | lakshmi | Sargun your teaching ibot bad things |
| 02:26.28 | lakshmi | ibot dont listen to sargun |
| 02:26.32 | lakshmi | ~fail sargun |
| 02:26.33 | ibot | sargun: Fail. |
| 02:26.36 | Sargun | haha |
| 02:26.56 | lakshmi | see !! |
| 02:31.15 | lakshmi | sargun |
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| 02:44.44 | ibot | stalks fozzmoo, hiding in the shadows and sorting through his garbage. |
| 02:45.52 | fozzmoo | Dang. I wanted to talk to Sargun |
| 02:50.55 | shnockshnee_ | fozzmoom |
| 02:50.57 | shnockshnee_ | er fozzmoo |
| 02:51.02 | shnockshnee_ | talk to xbmodder_ :) |
| 02:51.06 | shnockshnee_ | xbmodder_ dude |
| 02:51.18 | xbmodder_ | I know fozzmoo, you love me |
| 02:51.52 | fozzmoo | ~candy xbmodder_ |
| 02:51.59 | fozzmoo | ~feed xbmodder_ |
| 02:52.00 | ibot | ACTION offers xbmodder_ some toe-jam |
| 02:54.05 | xbmodder_ | :-) |
| 02:54.11 | xbmodder_ | toe jam, my favorite |
| 02:59.12 | findlay | ~literal cmd: kill (.*?) |
| 02:59.13 | ibot | "cmd: kill (.*?)" is "($1): <action> shoots a (hyper-charged|charged|super-inverse|inverse|excited|magneto-ionized|ionized) (flux|anti-|pseudo|)(neutron|meson|neutrino|quark|proton|electron|tachyon|graviton|photon|positrino) gun at $1" |
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| 04:41.10 | rsimpkins | fozzmoo: ping |
| 04:41.23 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: ding. |
| 04:44.29 | lakshmi | hm |
| 04:44.29 | lakshmi | ~stats |
| 04:44.29 | ibot | Since Thu Jan 31 08:13:55 2008, there have been 27 modifications, 552 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 374 commands. I have been awake for 5d 20h 30m 34s this session, and currently reference 114333 factoids. I'm using about 19212 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 12322.68/852.35 child 0/0.02 |
| 04:44.41 | lakshmi | ~ lart stats |
| 04:44.41 | ibot | slams stats against a large cement Tux |
| 04:44.44 | lakshmi | i'm prolly doing ti wrong |
| 04:44.46 | lakshmi | hey fozzmoo |
| 04:45.04 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: Hey kid.' |
| 04:48.45 | fozzmoo | Wow. They're giving Utah to Obama. |
| 04:48.52 | Tene | fozzmoo: Who is? |
| 04:48.54 | fozzmoo | Nice. |
| 04:48.57 | fozzmoo | The news. |
| 04:49.16 | fozzmoo | I saw it on the DrudgeReport. It's got to be true. |
| 04:49.24 | Tene | Got to be. |
| 04:52.46 | herlo | fozzmoo: just note, that's the democrats, Romney won the republican side |
| 04:52.56 | fozzmoo | herlo: Yes, I know. |
| 04:53.08 | fozzmoo | Anyone surprised? :) |
| 04:53.14 | herlo | nope |
| 04:53.32 | fozzmoo | I'm surprised Hillary's winning anything, really. |
| 04:53.43 | fozzmoo | What REALLY surprises me is the racist attitudes in the south. |
| 04:53.52 | fozzmoo | Hillary's kickin butt in southern states. |
| 04:54.02 | Tene | fozzmoo: that's surprising? |
| 04:54.16 | fozzmoo | Tene: There *are* more black people in the south. |
| 04:56.50 | herlo | fozzmoo: I think hillary is gonna win, have thought that for a couple years now |
| 04:56.59 | herlo | not that I want her to win |
| 04:57.12 | fozzmoo | It's tough to say who will win the nomination at this point. |
| 04:57.28 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, that kinda goes with my 1976 theory. |
| 04:57.32 | herlo | fozzmoo: I know, but I mean hillary *will* be pres |
| 04:57.38 | Tene | What do people who like hilary like about her? |
| 04:57.47 | Tene | fozzmoo: 1976 theory? |
| 04:57.56 | fozzmoo | I think 2008 is a repeat of 1976 |
| 04:58.04 | Tene | fozzmoo: what happened then? |
| 04:58.06 | herlo | who won in 1976? |
| 04:58.13 | fozzmoo | Carter won the presidency |
| 04:58.25 | herlo | oh, right |
| 04:58.27 | fozzmoo | Reagan ran in 76 but lost the nomination to Ford... |
| 04:58.31 | fozzmoo | who lost to Carter. |
| 04:58.31 | herlo | was thinking he won 80 |
| 04:58.35 | herlo | but that was reagan |
| 04:58.49 | Tene | What's similar about the two elections? |
| 04:59.02 | fozzmoo | Well, Reagan was clearly the more inspirational candidate for republicans. |
| 04:59.13 | fozzmoo | Ford really didn't offer much to be excited about. |
| 04:59.20 | fozzmoo | Carter was a terrible president. |
| 04:59.29 | fozzmoo | Just as Hillary would/will be. |
| 04:59.36 | Tene | so why did he win? |
| 04:59.59 | RyanE | leadership vacuum |
| 05:00.06 | fozzmoo | Because after Nixon and Ford, people wanted change for change's sake. |
| 05:00.19 | fozzmoo | The economy was in bad shape. |
| 05:00.28 | fozzmoo | People blamed the republicans (who had been in power) |
| 05:00.59 | herlo | fozzmoo: as per normal, blame those who just left for problems caused 20 years earlier |
| 05:01.20 | RyanE | fortunately for the republicans, Carter didn't do any better, and got slaughtered by Reagan's "Morning in America" themes. |
| 05:01.32 | fozzmoo | Well, Carter just made things 10x worse. |
| 05:01.38 | fozzmoo | Major inflation took hold. |
| 05:01.50 | RyanE | gas shortages were not popular, either. |
| 05:01.59 | fozzmoo | Catch any of those late 70s, early 80s re-runs of The Price Is Right on GSN and you'll see what I mean. |
| 05:02.01 | RyanE | and then the hostages in Iran didn't get resolved. |
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| 05:02.44 | fozzmoo | "It's a brand new GE refrigerator... $4000!" |
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| 05:24.51 | elg | levi: have you looked at PEG parser generators for other languages? e.g. C/C++? |
| 05:25.06 | elg | or D or whatever other compiled languages |
| 05:26.16 | elg | I have a simple but practical need for a parser, and I'm thinking why not do it with a PEG in a compiled language (for minimum runtime dependencies) or a language I haven't really used yet |
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| 05:46.58 | vontrapp | does python have until and unless as complements to while and if? |
| 05:49.13 | Tene | vontrapp: that would be providing more than one way to do something, which is considered a sin by pythonists. |
| 05:49.25 | vontrapp | dang |
| 05:50.01 | Tene | That is to say, I have no clue, but I bet you could try it and find out. |
| 05:58.15 | Tene | http://www.viemu.com/why-vi-img/vi-gang-sign.gif |
| 05:58.58 | Sargun | Tene, heh |
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| 06:12.07 | vontrapp | does python have a splat equivalent? |
| 06:12.18 | tensai | sure. drop it off a tall building. |
| 06:15.53 | vontrapp | ~convert -12 C to F |
| 06:16.13 | vontrapp | ~convert -12 celcius to f |
| 06:16.17 | tensai | about 10 I believe |
| 06:16.24 | tensai | ~convert -12 degC to degF |
| 06:16.34 | vontrapp | 10 seems to low |
| 06:17.00 | vontrapp | ~convert 20 degF to degC |
| 06:17.10 | vontrapp | still get syntax error |
| 06:17.14 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 06:17.14 | ibot | rm -rf's vontrapp |
| 06:17.41 | tensai | http://www.google.com/search?q=-12+degrees+c+in+degrees+f&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:17.49 | tensai | 10.4F |
| 06:17.53 | vontrapp | ~convert 20 F to C |
| 06:19.40 | vontrapp | well, units is coming out woefully wrong |
| 06:20.13 | herlo | ~convert 20degrees F to C |
| 06:20.23 | herlo | ~convert 20F to C |
| 06:20.30 | herlo | ibot: you lie |
| 06:20.31 | ibot | somebody said you lie was i need to get a pidgit |
| 06:20.59 | vontrapp | ~x liar es |
| 06:22.07 | vontrapp | ~x en de liar |
| 06:23.05 | Supaplex | !(20-32)*(100/(212-32)) |
| 06:23.24 | tensai | yeah, units is on crack |
| 06:23.48 | Supaplex | -7C |
| 06:23.48 | vontrapp | ~math |
| 06:24.26 | tensai | ah, there we go |
| 06:24.51 | tensai | You have: tempC(-12) |
| 06:24.51 | tensai | You want: tempF |
| 06:24.51 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.03 | tensai | just had to read the manpage |
| 06:25.38 | Supaplex | yea, it's nice when there is a man page :) |
| 06:25.45 | Supaplex | *is* being the key word. |
| 06:26.54 | vontrapp | so you were right |
| 06:27.14 | tensai | well of course I was |
| 06:27.30 | tensai | I've been trying to teach my family metric of late, so it's fresh on my mind |
| 06:27.45 | vontrapp | i've just been using it |
| 06:27.59 | vontrapp | so i see -12 and i'm like, "yeah, that's cold!" |
| 06:28.15 | Sargun | Hm. |
| 06:28.15 | vontrapp | but my wife says, "how cold is it? what's the F?" |
| 06:28.37 | vontrapp | and i say, "it's -12C cold" |
| 06:28.41 | tensai | I changed our thermometer to metric and my wife thought it was super cold outside |
| 06:28.53 | Sargun | tensai, haha, nice. Digital thermometer? |
| 06:28.57 | Sargun | er |
| 06:29.03 | Sargun | Atomic clock digital thermometer |
| 06:29.03 | tensai | Sargun: yeah. with a remote. |
| 06:29.27 | Sargun | Neato |
| 06:29.34 | Sargun | Does it interface over serial with a computer |
| 06:29.36 | vontrapp | so is int("10") the best way to do it in python? this site says a lot of his examples probably aren't used |
| 06:29.39 | vontrapp | that was one of them |
| 06:30.05 | vontrapp | i already miss ruby, where even numbers are objects and have methods |
| 06:30.13 | vontrapp | and the splat |
| 06:30.15 | vontrapp | i need splat |
| 06:30.30 | vontrapp | please tell me python has splat, or i might give up on it prematurely |
| 06:30.45 | Sargun | splat? |
| 06:30.49 | vontrapp | * |
| 06:30.54 | vontrapp | *ary |
| 06:30.54 | Sargun | you mean the RF toolkit |
| 06:31.14 | Sargun | vontrapp, Splat in what context?! |
| 06:31.29 | vontrapp | so like, if i have a method foo, and foo takes 3 args, foo(a,b,c) |
| 06:31.39 | vontrapp | and i have ary=[1,2,3] |
| 06:31.44 | vontrapp | then i can do foo(*ary) |
| 06:32.12 | vontrapp | or, in my python i have: modexp(sys.argv[0], sys.argv[1], sys.argv[2]) |
| 06:32.22 | tensai | Sargun: no computer interface. I thought about looking for one of those, but honestly I don't care. not at home anyway. |
| 06:32.25 | vontrapp | but i want modexp(*sys.argv) |
| 06:32.48 | Sargun | tensai, Yeah, but they are neat. |
| 06:32.58 | tensai | we use these in our datacenters |
| 06:33.01 | tensai | http://www.weathershop.com/temptrax-E.htm |
| 06:33.08 | brac | [TempTrax Model E] |
| 06:33.11 | vontrapp | you can even do: a, b, c = *ary |
| 06:33.13 | Sargun | uhh |
| 06:33.18 | vontrapp | then a = 1, b = 2, c = 3 |
| 06:33.20 | tensai | they come with ridiculously long probes. not wireless though. |
| 06:33.28 | Sargun | Ooh, neato |
| 06:34.26 | vontrapp | basically, it turns what python would call a list into what python would call a tuple |
| 06:34.50 | levi | elg: I did at one point, but I don't remember what's available. |
| 06:34.58 | Sargun | tuple([1,2,3]) |
| 06:35.01 | Sargun | like tha? |
| 06:35.02 | Sargun | that |
| 06:35.03 | levi | elg: There are quite a few, though, IIRC. |
| 06:35.07 | vontrapp | you can even do it in reverse |
| 06:35.11 | vontrapp | *ary = 1, 2, 3, 4 |
| 06:35.16 | vontrapp | ary = [1,2,3,4] |
| 06:35.40 | vontrapp | ^^ equivalent |
| 06:35.41 | Sargun | vontrapp, ary=tuple(ary) |
| 06:35.56 | Sargun | ary=list(arhy) |
| 06:36.53 | vontrapp | modexp(tuple(sys.argv)) is still saying it's only getting one argument |
| 06:37.30 | Sargun | oh |
| 06:39.00 | Sargun | >>> len(*[1, 2, 3]) |
| 06:39.01 | Sargun | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 06:39.01 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.01 | Sargun | TypeError: len() takes exactly one argument (3 given) |
| 06:39.01 | Sargun | see |
| 06:39.13 | Sargun | like that you mean? |
| 06:39.39 | vontrapp | yes |
| 06:40.06 | vontrapp | ok, so now i just need shift |
| 06:40.24 | vontrapp | or another way to prune the command from the args |
| 06:40.28 | herlo | cat /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f7 | sort | uniq -c > x |
| 06:41.18 | Sargun | [1,2,3][1:] |
| 06:41.20 | Sargun | is [2,3] |
| 06:41.28 | Sargun | modexp(*[2,3]) |
| 06:41.50 | vontrapp | sweet |
| 06:42.36 | vontrapp | so then, args = map(int, sys.argv[1:]) |
| 06:42.42 | vontrapp | modexp(*args) |
| 06:42.44 | vontrapp | yay |
| 06:42.44 | herlo | cat x |
| 06:43.49 | herlo | ln -s /usr/lib/python2.4 /usr/lib64/python2.4 |
| 06:44.52 | fozzmoo | rm -rf /export/.hidden/pornvids |
| 06:45.00 | fozzmoo | Oh. did I say that outloud? |
| 06:45.27 | herlo | screen -S rtorrent |
| 06:45.29 | herlo | rtorrent |
| 06:45.46 | herlo | ctrl-a d |
| 06:45.53 | herlo | sleep 30 |
| 06:46.09 | Tene | wget --mirror http://fozzilinymoo.org/~fozz/ibot-porn/ |
| 06:46.18 | Sargun | fozzmoo, haha, that's the output of your ruby code, right? |
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| 08:04.11 | Sargun | http://talk.bmc.com/blogs/blog-whurley/whurley/who-is-best-for-open-source-in-2008 |
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| 13:53.55 | goozbach | ??? |
| 13:54.23 | Supaplex | sup goozbach :) |
| 13:55.05 | goozbach | ??o? |
| 13:55.08 | goozbach | you? |
| 13:55.15 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 15:25.25 | Supaplex | lakshmi: mornin' |
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| 15:38.38 | tensai | redbeard2: where ya'at? |
| 15:39.08 | Sargun | Germany |
| 15:39.16 | Sargun | He's in germany. |
| 15:40.56 | Supaplex | das is goot? |
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| 15:53.18 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.21 | Sargun | Nice. |
| 15:55.32 | herlo | tensai: he's in Mountain View, Ca |
| 15:56.51 | Sargun | herlo, Who is? |
| 15:56.55 | Sargun | redbeard2? |
| 15:56.58 | Sargun | What's he doing in MV? |
| 15:57.09 | Sargun | doesn't he cook? |
| 15:58.37 | tensai | Sargun: no silly. he teaches linux for guru labs. |
| 15:58.43 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 15:58.55 | Sargun | He is at the MV RH training center? |
| 15:59.11 | tensai | apparently |
| 15:59.15 | Sargun | oh, neat. |
| 16:01.15 | elg | hooray for depeche mode |
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| 16:01.22 | ibot | stalks fozzmoo, hiding in the shadows and sorting through his garbage. |
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| 16:02.33 | elg | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action>dances the tango with fozzmoo |
| 16:02.33 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 16:08.50 | tensai | ~onjoin elg <action> dances the fozzmoo with elg |
| 16:08.50 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 16:11.21 | tensai | fungus: I got my go6 account working. it's kinda fun. |
| 16:12.16 | Jayce^ | elg, agreed on the dm |
| 16:12.43 | Jayce^ | Sargun, it's overstated, at most iran has lost 1 router.. and maybe up to 20% connectivity |
| 16:13.47 | fozzmoo | Happy Reagan Day, everyone. |
| 16:15.10 | fungus | Nice! |
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| 16:18.04 | herlo | Sargun: redbeard2 |
| 16:19.17 | Sargun | Hi |
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| 16:19.26 | Sargun | Jayce^, Ah. |
| 16:19.57 | Jayce^ | Sargun, http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/02/attention_iran_is_not_disconne_1.shtml good site for following the outages |
| 16:22.34 | markl____ | Jayce^: yo |
| 16:22.43 | Jayce^ | 'sup markl__ |
| 16:23.00 | markl____ | not much, what's new |
| 16:23.12 | Jayce^ | migration, of course (finally) |
| 16:23.17 | levi | Jayce^: You scared me. I just logged on and I thought we might have publically invaded Iran over night or something. :P |
| 16:23.31 | Jayce^ | levi, :) |
| 16:23.44 | markl____ | Jayce^: cool, hopefully it goes smoothly |
| 16:23.59 | markl____ | Jayce^: how is pentaho treating you guys |
| 16:24.00 | levi | I had the most awful heartburn last night. It was ridiculous. |
| 16:24.18 | Jayce^ | now that the box it's on has a new cpu, it's running fine |
| 16:24.20 | markl____ | levi: mylanta is good stuff |
| 16:24.22 | levi | I think half the tissue between my stomach and throat must have been dissolved. |
| 16:24.34 | markl____ | Jayce^: doh! |
| 16:25.06 | levi | markl____: I didn't have any antacid handy, since I'm at a hotel and I don't usually get heartburn. |
| 16:25.09 | Jayce^ | how goes your job? |
| 16:25.12 | markl____ | otto said it is too close to pendejo |
| 16:25.18 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 16:25.36 | markl____ | pretty well, still trying to get a public beta ready |
| 16:26.41 | markl____ | looking for a quick & painless way to turn a few database tables into some charts & graphs |
| 16:26.59 | markl____ | apart from !@#^%# excel of course |
| 16:28.13 | Jayce^ | catalyst + YUI :) |
| 16:30.22 | dataw0lf | Django + Google Charts |
| 16:30.59 | Jayce^ | hehe, google charts are pretty cool too, few others out there that are nice too |
| 16:31.16 | dataw0lf | yea, I've been meaning to play with them |
| 16:31.17 | Jayce^ | http://www.xpressweb.com/~kresta/cruisers/1973_fj40/ |
| 16:31.19 | brac | [1973 LAND CRUISER] |
| 16:31.30 | Jayce^ | just needs paint + touch of body work.... |
| 16:31.31 | dataw0lf | ha, my dad has a 72 |
| 16:31.46 | Jayce^ | 12k original miles :) |
| 16:31.59 | dataw0lf | dang nice |
| 16:32.07 | Jayce^ | sat for almost 20 years in souther UT northern AZ |
| 16:32.11 | Jayce^ | $3.5k |
| 16:32.20 | Jayce^ | runs perfect |
| 16:32.27 | markl____ | i just started doing a bit of django |
| 16:32.31 | dataw0lf | my dad may want it, I'll email it to him |
| 16:32.35 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, no |
| 16:32.42 | Jayce^ | it's the one *I'm* looking at :) |
| 16:32.48 | dataw0lf | oh oh, hehe |
| 16:32.49 | markl____ | Jayce^: cool |
| 16:32.58 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: that's pretty nice |
| 16:33.31 | markl____ | Jayce^: wouldn't you rather have one of these: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/cat.php?id=15 |
| 16:33.36 | brac | [TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - Vehicles - Thing] |
| 16:33.48 | dataw0lf | markl__: http://www2.ljworld.com/elections/2008/feb/05/races/democratic_presidential_nomination/ <-- see? Django + Google Charts :) |
| 16:33.56 | markl____ | i have always wanted one of those |
| 16:35.01 | elg | man I hate being sensitive to perfume |
| 16:35.03 | Jayce^ | markl__, not quite :) |
| 16:35.09 | Jayce^ | elg, me too |
| 16:35.30 | Jayce^ | of course, I told my wife is was the LC or I was getting a Nash metropolitan again |
| 16:35.34 | elg | it could be so pleasant if it didn't give me headache |
| 16:36.21 | markl____ | dataw0lf: cool stuff, i'll have to consider that |
| 16:36.21 | Jayce^ | elg, before my shots, I would go into sneezing fits at church.. those old ladies that bathe in the stuff |
| 16:36.30 | elg | hehe |
| 16:36.41 | elg | i'm not that bad. just insta-headache |
| 16:37.07 | Jayce^ | yeah, I get that still, not as much sneezing now though |
| 16:37.51 | fozzmoo | So, one of the programmers here at KB has been out all week. |
| 16:38.17 | fozzmoo | I didn't know why on Monday- just figured he was sick or something. |
| 16:38.39 | fozzmoo | But I found out he was down in Vegas for So You Think You Can Dance? auditions. |
| 16:38.50 | dataw0lf | you're joking |
| 16:38.51 | fozzmoo | He made it through the first round of callbacks. |
| 16:38.53 | elg | so he thinks he can dance? |
| 16:39.05 | fozzmoo | From what I've heard, he *can* dance. |
| 16:39.49 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 16:39.51 | fozzmoo | I guess he'll find out today or tomorrow if he's going to make it on the show. |
| 16:40.05 | fozzmoo | If so, he'll be going back in April. |
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| 16:58.02 | fozzmoo | A friend just told me... |
| 16:58.06 | fozzmoo | CNN has just reported the results of intense talks between the Hillary and Obama campaigns. Unnamed inside sources are now indicating that the two Democratic front-runners have settled their differences and agreed to share the Democratic ticket, with an official announcement planned for later this week. According to these inside sources, the two candidates have even already picked a theme song for their campaign: "Ebony and Ovary." |
| 16:59.53 | Jayce^ | arggggghhh |
| 17:00.30 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I'm pretty sure them combining is a joke |
| 17:00.46 | Jayce^ | right, the pun at the end is what causes the arghh |
| 17:01.22 | dataw0lf | oh, hehe |
| 17:01.40 | markl____ | odh |
| 17:01.54 | fozzmoo | I was reading a comment on some website - a response to someone saying Hillary gets support for being a mother-figure. |
| 17:02.23 | markl____ | heh, whatever |
| 17:02.23 | fozzmoo | The comment said something like, the only reason Chelsea is an only-child is because Hillary ate her sibling(s). |
| 17:03.07 | markl____ | her support is 95% nepotism |
| 17:03.49 | fozzmoo | She's related to 95% of her supporters? |
| 17:04.00 | fozzmoo | I coudl see that with Romney. :) |
| 17:04.08 | markl____ | heh |
| 17:04.24 | fozzmoo | And he's got the genealogy to prove it! |
| 17:07.07 | markl____ | i just hope she loses to obama, i don't know if i can handle 4 more clinton years |
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| 17:09.46 | fozzmoo | markl____: But she's the self-admitted candidate for "real change" |
| 17:15.08 | lakshmi | hey all! |
| 17:15.16 | lakshmi | wutup? |
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| 17:16.22 | Keighvin | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:16.22 | ibot | gives Jayce^ an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Jayce^ to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 17:37.10 | lakshmi | ~ lart wednesday |
| 17:37.10 | ibot | forces wednesday to use Outlook Express |
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| 17:45.20 | Shadowwire | ~help |
| 17:47.14 | Shadowwire | ~lobotomy everyone |
| 17:47.14 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on everyone |
| 17:47.36 | Shadowwire | ~unlobotomy everyone |
| 17:48.09 | lakshmi | hahah |
| 17:48.49 | Shadowwire | I've heard that lobotomizing someone makes them laugh. |
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| 17:49.23 | Shadowwire | Ibot reads too much calvin and hobbes. |
| 17:49.25 | markl____ | i think that's supposed to be repressed |
| 17:50.26 | Shadowwire | or perhaps Depressed. |
| 17:50.51 | Shadowwire | or mabey Pressed. |
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| 17:57.35 | elg | it is repressed |
| 17:57.36 | elg | http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/grail |
| 17:57.57 | markl____ | come see the violence inherent in the system!! |
| 18:22.10 | elg | -chat |
| 18:22.13 | brac | if it is dumb. a 'story' in Science magazine about DNA ancestry tests: |
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| 18:42.37 | Sargun | ^Migs^, hey |
| 18:43.49 | atoponce | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/02/06/sco_annual/ |
| 18:43.51 | brac | [SCO details bleak future | Channel Register] |
| 18:44.04 | ^Migs^ | hey HEY hey |
| 18:44.19 | ^Migs^ | is SCO just now figuring out their future is bleak? |
| 18:46.11 | sjansen | jei jei! como estao voces? nos estamos bemmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:46.21 | atoponce | "It warns that its court case with Novell might have to be abandoned if its assets are frozen." |
| 18:46.24 | atoponce | nice |
| 18:50.07 | Tene | sjansen: can you log into gl jabber today? |
| 18:51.05 | Sargun | SCO is still alive? |
| 18:51.11 | Sargun | Didn't they die? |
| 18:53.06 | sjansen | Tene: yeah |
| 18:53.19 | Tene | Huh. |
| 18:53.47 | ^Migs^ | are there still people even working there? |
| 18:55.33 | ^Migs^ | what do they do all day? |
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| 19:03.13 | tensai | -chat elg |
| 19:03.16 | brac | elg went crazy |
| 19:03.52 | elg | i got better |
| 19:04.17 | elg | ^Migs^: speculate about brittney spears |
| 19:04.59 | Sargun | o.O |
| 19:05.05 | Sargun | BS |
| 19:06.22 | elg | isn't that what everyone with a "job" does? |
| 19:06.24 | Tene | -chat about bears |
| 19:06.25 | vontrapp | lame: http://pastie.caboo.se/148326 |
| 19:06.27 | brac | bears was |
| 19:06.35 | elg | -chat bears are |
| 19:06.35 | brac | bears are cuter than half-dead cockroaches |
| 19:06.36 | vontrapp | anyone seen that before? any ideas? |
| 19:06.53 | vontrapp | it's an error report from Word crashing (on a mac) |
| 19:07.28 | elg | looks like word is buggy. surprise surprise |
| 19:07.42 | vontrapp | but i get to help someone else "fix" it |
| 19:07.48 | elg | actually that would be the word installation that's buggy |
| 19:07.58 | elg | did this someone randomly delete files? |
| 19:08.11 | vontrapp | dunno, too bad it doesn't say what image is missing |
| 19:08.27 | vontrapp | and honestly, the whole program come crashing down because of an IMAGE FILE!! |
| 19:08.27 | elg | sure it does |
| 19:08.29 | elg | it can't find that plugin |
| 19:08.30 | vontrapp | geeze |
| 19:08.39 | elg | dyld is the dynamic loader |
| 19:08.58 | elg | it means image in the generic binary something you load in dynamically sense |
| 19:09.23 | Tene | -chat sargun sucks |
| 19:09.23 | brac | sargun sucks at ascii art wrong! |
| 19:09.54 | elg | maybe someone else has word on a mac that can search for MicrosoftComponentPlugin.framework and see if that path exists in it |
| 19:09.58 | elg | etc. |
| 19:10.16 | vontrapp | i said to reinstall if possible |
| 19:10.19 | elg | and the music plays forever. i know it's gonna be alright. |
| 19:10.19 | vontrapp | waiting for response |
| 19:11.56 | Sargun | ? |
| 19:12.04 | Sargun | Install Linux |
| 19:12.09 | Sargun | Install OO.org |
| 19:12.12 | Sargun | StarOffice |
| 19:12.16 | Sargun | Something better |
| 19:12.29 | Wegg | Ron Paul got 2nd in Utah County. :-) |
| 19:12.37 | Wegg | Yay! |
| 19:12.39 | Wegg | http://www.eggington.net/~blog/?p=8 |
| 19:12.40 | Tene | -chat ron paul |
| 19:12.40 | elg | cool |
| 19:12.41 | brac | ron paul is most convenient for my <font> tag badness |
| 19:12.44 | elg | after romney I assume? |
| 19:12.45 | Tene | -chat ron paul |
| 19:12.46 | brac | ron paul is most don't like going to do anything because I no longer allow custom message IDs |
| 19:12.50 | Jayce^ | Wegg, he got second in Montana too |
| 19:13.02 | Wegg | well he got 3rd in Utah overall |
| 19:13.10 | elg | -chat ron paul |
| 19:13.11 | brac | ron paul RULEZ! :-) |
| 19:13.11 | Tene | -chat second place |
| 19:13.12 | brac | second place goes to school today. |
| 19:13.16 | Tene | -chat second place |
| 19:13.16 | brac | second place in provo? |
| 19:13.31 | Wegg | Utah County |
| 19:13.39 | Wegg | I have a link there on my blogg thinger. |
| 19:13.43 | Tene | -chat elg likes |
| 19:13.43 | brac | elg likes |
| 19:14.49 | dataw0lf | did Paul finally withdraw from the race? |
| 19:15.08 | Wegg | no. |
| 19:15.16 | vontrapp | heck no! |
| 19:15.31 | vontrapp | he's actually doing pretty good with delegates |
| 19:15.36 | Wegg | he is a "message" candidate. Its less about winning and more about drawing attention to the issues he finds important. |
| 19:15.36 | vontrapp | of course the MSM doesn't tell you that |
| 19:15.48 | Jayce^ | "pretty good"? |
| 19:16.04 | Wegg | Enough to see him through to the end |
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| 19:16.20 | dataw0lf | I thought Ron Paul was a distant fourth in delegates |
| 19:16.21 | vontrapp | appealingly, aesthetically, take your pick |
| 19:16.36 | dataw0lf | pretty good compared to what? Roadkill? |
| 19:16.49 | Wegg | compared to all the others who dropped out. |
| 19:18.38 | vontrapp | i can't believe mccain |
| 19:18.48 | vontrapp | he's practically threatening a draft if he becomes president |
| 19:18.58 | Wegg | 100 more years in Iraq |
| 19:19.13 | dataw0lf | well, a draft is probably needed if you want to stay in Iraq |
| 19:19.13 | Wegg | all paid for. . . by our grandkids. |
| 19:19.25 | vontrapp | "we're stretched too thin, we need to fight these wars and more though, so we need more troops!" |
| 19:19.33 | dataw0lf | also, Ron Paul has 16 delegates. i don't really consider that "pretty good" |
| 19:19.53 | dataw0lf | and don't get me wrong, I'm pulling for him |
| 19:20.11 | Wegg | I was pretty bummed this morning. |
| 19:20.11 | Wegg | But I'm good now. |
| 19:20.13 | Wegg | read this. . . |
| 19:20.45 | Wegg | http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/the-mouse-that-roared-why-ron-paul-won-the-election/ |
| 19:21.07 | ^Migs^ | stupid BEA |
| 19:21.18 | ^Migs^ | I sent them a support request email, and wrote in all caps "PLEASE CORRESPOND WITH ME THROUGH EMAIL, NO PHONE CALLS!!!!!" Guess what they do first thing? Send an Indian to call me. |
| 19:21.45 | elg | sociopath |
| 19:21.49 | sjansen | Now that I'm over 25, I'm not afraid to say that if we want to continue fighting wars of choice we're going to have to bring back the draft. |
| 19:22.11 | dataw0lf | now that I'm over 25 AND have served my three tours of combat, me too :D |
| 19:22.13 | ^Migs^ | either that, or racist |
| 19:22.19 | ^Migs^ | :) |
| 19:22.20 | sjansen | Starting with politicians and their kids. |
| 19:22.38 | ^Migs^ | I'm sorry, is it wrong that I just can NOT understand Indian accents? |
| 19:22.42 | Wegg | I'm for that. |
| 19:22.46 | dataw0lf | I think a draft is an excellent idea. |
| 19:23.16 | sjansen | Well... I think the draft is an excellent way to make sure everyone has some skin in the game. |
| 19:23.35 | vontrapp | i have younger brothers, and i don't want precedent set for my kids (since the war will apparently go on 100 years) |
| 19:23.54 | sjansen | On the other hand, many in the military are opposed. The excellence of our armed forces is based on the fact only the brave and dedicated bother applying. |
| 19:24.36 | dataw0lf | well, the "excellence" of our military is declining rapidly any way with the enormous stress they're putting on our infrastructure by being involved in two occupational wars |
| 19:24.45 | dataw0lf | s/any way/anyway |
| 19:24.49 | fozzmoo | Mandatory service is not that uncommon outside the US. |
| 19:24.56 | fozzmoo | Not that I'm saying we should... |
| 19:25.05 | fozzmoo | I don't really have a clear opinion on that |
| 19:25.39 | dataw0lf | I've been pushing for the draft for several years. |
| 19:25.55 | vontrapp | i could be in favor of a draft on the conditions that drafted personnel can only fight ON OUR OWN LAND |
| 19:26.12 | sjansen | That's a stupid requirement and you know it. |
| 19:26.17 | Wegg | Ooo I'd vote for that |
| 19:26.28 | elg | ^Migs^: it's merely a talent you lack. you could enhance your ability to understand indian accents |
| 19:26.36 | vontrapp | if nobody is making it to our homeland, then why do we need a draft? |
| 19:27.05 | sjansen | WWII is an excellent example of why to use a draft. If we had waited for Nazi Germany to land on American shores before responding, it would have been a lot uglier for us. |
| 19:27.31 | sjansen | The lesson of Vietnam and Iraq is not "stay at home". It's "war is only a last resort". |
| 19:27.46 | vontrapp | but you can use the drafted people to do all the bazillions of jobs i'm sure exist in the us, and free up volunteer troops to go overseas |
| 19:27.47 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 19:28.09 | dataw0lf | (to "war is only a last resort") |
| 19:28.16 | vontrapp | ditto |
| 19:28.31 | rsimpkins | I wonder if someone would get in trouble/arrested if they published a terrorist plan as a point of discussion, then a terrorist actually carried it out. |
| 19:28.58 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: with the PATRIOT act you could probably be pulled in for publishing the terrorist plan |
| 19:29.19 | vontrapp | so much for freedom of speech |
| 19:29.21 | dataw0lf | at the very least you'd be monitored |
| 19:29.53 | vontrapp | hmm, reinstalling word apparently didn't work |
| 19:29.58 | vontrapp | same error |
| 19:32.23 | rsimpkins | I think it is strange that you can't talk about what terrorist attacks might occur - becuase it is illegal and might give 'them' ideas. |
| 19:32.30 | sjansen | vontrapp: To be fair, Ron Paul supporters aren't exactly helping themselves. |
| 19:32.35 | rsimpkins | Like they are incompentent or something and can't think of ideas on their own. |
| 19:32.58 | Wegg | why is that sjansen? |
| 19:33.29 | sjansen | Ron Paul supporters seem to be universally annoying. "Vote Ron Paul! He's not dead yet!" |
| 19:33.37 | Shadowwire | Looks like McCain will be our next president. |
| 19:33.42 | sjansen | "Vote Ron Paul! We know how to hang signs from over passes!" |
| 19:33.45 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Signs point to no. |
| 19:33.56 | vontrapp | well people who vote based on "viability" are 100 times more annoying |
| 19:34.02 | Shadowwire | What sighs are those? |
| 19:34.04 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Pratice saying 'Mrs. President' :) |
| 19:34.18 | Shadowwire | I rather die. |
| 19:34.24 | sjansen | "Vote Ron Paul! Vote Ron Paul! Vote Ron Paul!" |
| 19:34.28 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: Prepare to die, then. :) |
| 19:34.33 | sjansen | Why should I throw away my vote? Huh? |
| 19:34.46 | Shadowwire | I hope your not saying you will vote Hitlery |
| 19:35.05 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: I'm not, I'm just saying I think she will win - but a long shot. |
| 19:35.05 | vontrapp | sjansen: that's exactly the problem, that attitude is what makes it a throw away in the first place |
| 19:35.09 | rsimpkins | by |
| 19:35.11 | sjansen | Now if the message were "A vote for Ron Paul is a vote to return to conservativism!" maybe it wouldn't be so annoying. |
| 19:35.15 | Wegg | “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” -- John Quincy Adams |
| 19:35.26 | Wegg | If you don't vote closest to what you believe then how will our elected leaders know what we want as a people? |
| 19:35.28 | sjansen | But the message is "Vote Ron Paul! Vote Ron Paul! Vote Ron Paul!" |
| 19:35.37 | Wegg | if we just go with what CNN tells us then they pick the winner. |
| 19:35.49 | sjansen | We don't need a generation of Ron Paul dittoheads repeating the Rush Limbaugh experience. |
| 19:36.03 | Shadowwire | Thats right, Vote Ron Paul and split the vote. Let hillary into office. |
| 19:36.11 | Wegg | I hate Rush Limbaugh |
| 19:36.19 | vontrapp | sjansen: i've repeatedly told poeple to vote their conscience, and only call people on voting for less than pure reasons |
| 19:36.30 | Shadowwire | ? |
| 19:36.53 | fozzmoo | Wegg: Why do you hate Rush Limbaugh? |
| 19:36.56 | rsimpkins | Wegg: I'm glad you would rather vote for ron paul than defend the republican party against hillary clinton, but not everyone agrees. :) |
| 19:37.11 | Wegg | I don't like what the Republican party has become. |
| 19:37.13 | vontrapp | rsimpkins: and therein lies the problem |
| 19:37.21 | Wegg | they are socialists and warmongers. |
| 19:37.35 | Wegg | and fiscally. . . totally off the charts stupid. |
| 19:37.35 | Shadowwire | Where are you from Wegg? |
| 19:37.39 | Wegg | Australia |
| 19:37.42 | fozzmoo | Wegg: Neither do I... and while Rush is more of a shill for the republican party than I think he shoudl be, he is pretty solid on basic republican principles. |
| 19:37.45 | vontrapp | so the real dittoheads are those "supporting" the republican party for the party's sake |
| 19:37.52 | Shadowwire | And where do you live? |
| 19:37.56 | Wegg | Utah |
| 19:38.13 | fozzmoo | s/republican/conservative/ |
| 19:38.16 | nick125_ | If Clinton gets the democratic nomination, I'm going to start rooting republican. |
| 19:38.17 | fozzmoo | Arghj |
| 19:38.24 | Sargun | nick125_, hahah |
| 19:38.24 | Shadowwire | Wegg: how long have you been here? |
| 19:38.38 | nick125_ | Sargun: I'm not kidding |
| 19:38.43 | fozzmoo | Rush is a good conservative. That's what I'm trying to say. |
| 19:38.46 | rsimpkins | Shadowwire: See the infighting? Exactly why Mrs. President will be coming to a nations capital near you. :) |
| 19:38.51 | Wegg | Rush, the few times I have heard him is just negative all the time. He constantly attacks people. Ron never does that. He is just so enthusiastic about his ideas and about why our founding fathers were so damn smart etc. |
| 19:38.57 | vontrapp | if the republican party doesn't want the vote split, they need to stop being shameless pigs |
| 19:39.01 | fozzmoo | He's easy to hate because his Ego is the size of his listening audience. |
| 19:39.07 | Wegg | Shadowwire I have been here 18 years. |
| 19:39.13 | Shadowwire | rsimpkins: I guess your right. |
| 19:39.59 | Shadowwire | Wegg: Who would you rather see in office; Hillary or McCain? |
| 19:40.03 | rsimpkins | I believe Ron Paul will have to good sense to not mess things up after the nomination. |
| 19:40.17 | rsimpkins | Right now, he really is just making more of a philisophical point. |
| 19:40.29 | Wegg | Hillary |
| 19:40.30 | Shadowwire | Hmmm. That makes sense. |
| 19:40.39 | rsimpkins | Ron Paul isn't really hurting anything right now. |
| 19:40.51 | Shadowwire | Wegg... Never mind. |
| 19:41.09 | Wegg | If we are going to have "Big Government" anyway. . . I'd rather it be run by people who are compassionate and not a "neo-con" |
| 19:41.12 | rsimpkins | He would only cause problems in a very tight race between mc cain, and clinton - but I don't think that will happen. I predict clinton will win by a noticable margin. |
| 19:41.17 | vontrapp | Shadowwire: you would put mccain in office? |
| 19:41.23 | vontrapp | i would put ANYONE before him |
| 19:41.32 | Shadowwire | Why? |
| 19:41.33 | sjansen | The republican part doesn't deserve control of congress or the white house. |
| 19:41.34 | Wegg | I'd rather Obama |
| 19:41.44 | Wegg | nope they don't. |
| 19:41.49 | fozzmoo | It's hard to pick between Obama and Clinton. |
| 19:41.58 | Shadowwire | Why? |
| 19:42.01 | fozzmoo | I mean, Obama is THE most liberal senator in office, based on his record. |
| 19:42.09 | Wegg | I like how Obama talks. he is a great speaker. |
| 19:42.15 | rsimpkins | It doesn't matter what might have been, only what is. Focusing on the reality of 'now' is why Ron Paul had so many issues. |
| 19:42.17 | fozzmoo | So, if liberal policies are offensive to you... then you can't vote on his record. |
| 19:42.19 | sjansen | It took a Republican Congress and a Republican president to return to deficit spending and under plan a war of choice. |
| 19:42.31 | fozzmoo | Clinton is so... divisive and power hungry... |
| 19:42.38 | sjansen | If that's how Republicans behave, give me Democrats. |
| 19:42.45 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Exactly. |
| 19:43.00 | fozzmoo | So, yeah, it's hard to decide between Obama and Clinton |
| 19:43.06 | fozzmoo | I agree that Obama is a great speaker... |
| 19:43.24 | fozzmoo | but we shouldn't elect someone based on their eloquence. |
| 19:43.28 | Wegg | He doesn't have all the Clinton baggage. |
| 19:43.35 | vontrapp | rsimpkins: i object, it matters what COULD be |
| 19:43.37 | fozzmoo | You're right. |
| 19:43.38 | vontrapp | not what is |
| 19:43.56 | sjansen | Hard? We don't need another Clinton. Even if she didn't mean a continuation of divisive politics, we still wouldn't need to establish a tradition of dynasty. |
| 19:44.04 | Shadowwire | I still predict that McCain will win. |
| 19:44.22 | fozzmoo | I don't think McCain can win. |
| 19:44.27 | Wegg | I think he is smart, he is enthusiastic, he is approachable and would represent a very big direction change. |
| 19:44.34 | fozzmoo | He's not good enough to out-speak Obama |
| 19:44.42 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Lincoln was a great speaker. Should we have not elected him for an ability clearly and compellingly present information? |
| 19:44.44 | fozzmoo | And the Clinton machine is just too good. |
| 19:44.51 | vontrapp | haha, i read something on the MTV rock the vote site an entire article on voting for someone based on how "presidential" they appear to be |
| 19:44.55 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Liincoln was MORE than just a good speaker. |
| 19:45.05 | rsimpkins | Clinton has said some pretty amazingly stupid things. But, so has Bush - what do you do? :) |
| 19:45.10 | Wegg | Bush SUCKED as a speaker against Kerry. . . but still won. |
| 19:45.14 | fozzmoo | Who's defending Bush? :) |
| 19:45.17 | sjansen | Leaders lead. We don't need a "decider" we need a leader. Someone who knows how to recognize and attract competent advisers. |
| 19:45.26 | Wegg | Never underestimate the stupidity of American's old people. |
| 19:45.27 | Wegg | :-( |
| 19:45.42 | Shadowwire | or young people. |
| 19:45.53 | rsimpkins | Wegg: So the most experienced among us happen to be the least competent some how? |
| 19:46.01 | sjansen | Most of our problems are a result of decision Congress made, not decisions of the president. |
| 19:46.06 | pashdown | I think McCain will win against Clinton |
| 19:46.07 | vontrapp | actually, the federal power-grabbing trend can be traced back to lincoln |
| 19:46.14 | rsimpkins | pashdown: In Utah. :) |
| 19:46.14 | sjansen | It's just easier to point at and blame presidents. |
| 19:46.18 | pashdown | No, nationwide. |
| 19:46.19 | nick125_ | pashdown: I agree. |
| 19:46.19 | fozzmoo | Bush vs Kerry was "Who bores you the least?" |
| 19:46.31 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Well, you have more experience with it than I do. |
| 19:46.32 | pashdown | Republicans will rise from the grave to vote against Hillary, even if it is McCain. |
| 19:46.41 | Shadowwire | yes. |
| 19:46.46 | pashdown | i've never run for president :-) |
| 19:46.52 | rsimpkins | pashdown: If they aren't busy fighting about Ron Paul, that is. :) |
| 19:46.53 | sjansen | A presidents responsiblity is to make sure law is enforce. A presidents responsiblity is to lead congress to solve problems. |
| 19:46.54 | pashdown | so we're all experts here |
| 19:47.03 | Wegg | McCain said himself that Washington has changed him. His positions are all muddy and almost always against what I believe. At least Obama gets a few things right. |
| 19:47.06 | fozzmoo | There might actually be an opportunity for a viable third party this year. |
| 19:47.07 | nick125_ | I remember reading somewhere that most of the NM exit polls, the people who voted for Obama said they voted because they wanted change. The ones that voted for Clinton did so because of name recognition. |
| 19:47.08 | fozzmoo | We'll have to see. |
| 19:47.26 | sjansen | If Obama can bring people together, restore home and move away from fear mongering politics, I'd say those are pretty good qualifications. |
| 19:47.32 | fozzmoo | nick125_: The ones who voted for Obama didn't have enough money to catch a bus back home. |
| 19:47.37 | pashdown | fozz, if perot comes back, maybe clinton can win again |
| 19:47.41 | fozzmoo | That's why they were asking the reporters for change. |
| 19:47.50 | nick125_ | fozzmoo: haha |
| 19:48.06 | Shadowwire | nice. |
| 19:48.23 | dataw0lf | I'm excited about Obama |
| 19:48.31 | vontrapp | haha, that's soo funny, wake up! it's real |
| 19:48.34 | Shadowwire | I havnt heard any convincing arguments why mccain wont win. |
| 19:48.35 | sjansen | Of course, McCain could also bring sanity back to our international approach. Stop under funding and over using the military. Clearly state we don't support torture, and will no quietly endorse it. |
| 19:48.35 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Do you think someone like Al Gore stepping in could steal enough votes to take it? |
| 19:48.37 | pashdown | watching the exit poll videos on "why did you vote for?" was depressing |
| 19:48.42 | pashdown | its too late for gore |
| 19:48.56 | vontrapp | do you think we have poor because they want to be poor? |
| 19:48.59 | dataw0lf | fozzmoo: that'd be funny if Clinton wasn't the one attracting poor people |
| 19:49.06 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Maybe if he was in a few months ago? |
| 19:49.11 | Wegg | Shadowwire. . . how about this. . . 70% of people in the US want us out of Iraq. |
| 19:49.12 | vontrapp | it's our crashing economy and over regulation of everything |
| 19:49.15 | fozzmoo | I don't think Gore stands a chance against Obama. |
| 19:49.26 | pashdown | maybe, he must really not want to run |
| 19:49.41 | sjansen | And Romney could bring financial realism, maybe even returning the Democrats legacy of balancing the budget and paying down the debt. |
| 19:50.01 | Wegg | there is a novel idea. |
| 19:50.03 | pashdown | romney isn't going to happen |
| 19:50.05 | Wegg | a balanced budget. |
| 19:50.16 | pashdown | vp speculation is more relevant on the gop side now |
| 19:50.17 | Shadowwire | So does McCain, Just the correct way. Not leaving a power vacume for some other dictator. |
| 19:50.33 | sjansen | I'd praise Hillary for recognizing the importance of health care, but at this point everyone sees our system is broken and only govt. has the influence necessary to find a solution. |
| 19:50.33 | fozzmoo | Yeah- a lot of people on TV last night were wondering why Romney didn't talk about his track record rescuing businesses and projects while campaigning in California. |
| 19:50.41 | fozzmoo | Instead, he talked about his conservative credentials. |
| 19:50.46 | ^Migs^ | I don't think romney is going to happen either |
| 19:50.50 | fozzmoo | Not really that relevant to Californians |
| 19:51.22 | pashdown | sjansen, but why does hillary need 12 years to fix health care? that's my problem with her plan. 8 years should be enough for any president to get something like that accomplished. |
| 19:51.35 | rsimpkins | I think romney dropped the ball back in Iowa. |
| 19:51.38 | Shadowwire | I would agree. |
| 19:51.47 | vontrapp | "fixing health care" sends chills down my spine |
| 19:51.57 | Shadowwire | I like Romney, But he's out of the race. |
| 19:51.59 | ^Migs^ | I think it's pretty clear the next president will be a Democrat. |
| 19:52.01 | sjansen | The only way to solve health care is to eliminate insurance companies. That's gonna take some doing. |
| 19:52.01 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: I don't think Romney had a chance to start with |
| 19:52.06 | vontrapp | what we really need is government stepping out of the way so health care can "fix" itself |
| 19:52.08 | ^Migs^ | Romney would have been the best choice, it's true |
| 19:52.10 | Shadowwire | I think Migs is wrong. |
| 19:52.16 | pashdown | "paying through the nose for employee healthcare" makes my face hurt every day |
| 19:52.21 | rsimpkins | pashdown: Because if the plan fails she doesn't have to take all the blame? |
| 19:52.45 | sjansen | When an insurance company says "you can't have a $3million surgery" that's heartless. When the govt says it, that's reality. |
| 19:52.46 | ^Migs^ | when Romney lost Florida, it decided the final results of November's election |
| 19:52.57 | ^Migs^ | McCain is not someone all Republicans are going to rally behind |
| 19:53.04 | fozzmoo | pashdown: You should talk to the Guru Labs guys about how they do it. |
| 19:53.10 | pashdown | i had to fight my insurance company over coverage of my daughter's broken finger last year |
| 19:53.11 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, no, when he lost CA, that was the point.. |
| 19:53.13 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: you think they would around Romney?! |
| 19:53.18 | sjansen | So long as we consider expensive procedures a right, health care will be too expensive. |
| 19:53.25 | ^Migs^ | moreso than McCain |
| 19:53.29 | dataw0lf | there's too much anti-mormon sentiment in the Republican party |
| 19:53.37 | vontrapp | sjansen: bingo |
| 19:53.38 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I think all the Republican candidates aren't that great. I kind of like them all, but they're not the Republicans I'm used to |
| 19:53.43 | Wegg | did you win pashdown? |
| 19:53.49 | dataw0lf | and even those who don't think Mormons are incarnations of the devil have a lot of untrue beliefs. |
| 19:53.53 | pashdown | which race? :-) |
| 19:54.09 | ^Migs^ | it's strange how religion actually plays such a huge role in American politics |
| 19:54.10 | dataw0lf | pashdown: are you planning on running for the Senate again? |
| 19:54.17 | Wegg | your daughters broken finger and getting money out of your insurance company. |
| 19:54.24 | ^Migs^ | you go up to Canada, nobody cares about the religion of their politicians |
| 19:54.25 | pashdown | oh yeah, for the most part |
| 19:54.30 | fozzmoo | But, yeah, the problem with health care costs in this country really aren't going to be solved by more government. |
| 19:54.31 | pashdown | i still had to pay about $1000 for it |
| 19:54.39 | pashdown | even though i have the best insurance you can get from blue cross |
| 19:54.52 | ^Migs^ | Ron Paul would've been good :) |
| 19:55.02 | Wegg | When I was a kid. . . I had this crazy big ole cut on my leg. I just grabbed my medicare card, scateboarded down to the local Dr. and he fixed me up. |
| 19:55.04 | Wegg | I was 11 |
| 19:55.05 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, http://www.redplanetcartoons.com/index.php/2008/02/04/barack-hussein-obama/ |
| 19:55.09 | Wegg | Thats how it should be. |
| 19:55.09 | vontrapp | ~whaleslap ^Migs^ |
| 19:55.10 | ibot | ACTION beats ^Migs^ upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:55.10 | pashdown | data, 2010 i'm going to either run for senate or congress |
| 19:55.12 | ^Migs^ | now my goal is to avoid getting Hillary elected |
| 19:55.24 | fozzmoo | pashdown: I hope Hatch is out by then. |
| 19:55.26 | ^Migs^ | I think I'd rather have Obama |
| 19:55.28 | Shadowwire | I like that goal. |
| 19:55.29 | dataw0lf | pashdown: awesome, if I'm back in Utah, you got my vote |
| 19:55.42 | ^Migs^ | mine too, pashdown |
| 19:55.53 | pashdown | fozz, hatch will be in until he's 250 due to all the nutraceuticals he takes |
| 19:56.04 | Shadowwire | :) |
| 19:56.05 | ^Migs^ | I'm really, really tired of Hatch |
| 19:56.11 | Shadowwire | we all are. |
| 19:56.12 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: well, he's not Islamic. He just had an Islamic father. He's also not running among the republicans. |
| 19:56.18 | vontrapp | pashdown: then i'll wait till aftre the 2010 election to move out of utah ;) |
| 19:56.18 | ^Migs^ | I mean REALLY tired |
| 19:56.33 | Wegg | Anyone who runs on an "experience" platform in washington needs to be booted out. |
| 19:56.35 | pashdown | amen brother |
| 19:56.41 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, but the dems have plenty with the same feelings re: LDS |
| 19:56.48 | Wegg | The "Experience" over the last 16 years tells me its all crap. |
| 19:56.57 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: really? none that I know, and my family is firmly democratic. |
| 19:56.58 | pashdown | http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp |
| 19:57.04 | brac | [Urban Legends Reference Pages: Barack Obama - Trinity United Church of Christ] |
| 19:57.09 | dataw0lf | I honestly could care less what religion you're part of. |
| 19:57.17 | fozzmoo | The problem with health care is partly greedy and discompassionate insurance companies, partly malpractice insurance, partly high R&D costs, and part government over-regulation. |
| 19:57.20 | Wegg | that shouldn't be part of it. |
| 19:57.26 | pashdown | we need a president who firmly believes in FSM |
| 19:57.28 | rsimpkins | I wonder what Mike Leavitt will be doing in a year. Anyone know? |
| 19:57.32 | dataw0lf | pashdown: haha |
| 19:57.34 | fozzmoo | So, how is Hillarycare going to address ANY of those issues? |
| 19:57.36 | Wegg | FSM? |
| 19:57.40 | pashdown | pastafarian |
| 19:57.43 | dataw0lf | Wegg: flying spaghetti monster |
| 19:57.44 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: don't forget part greedy patients and malpractice suits |
| 19:57.49 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, my in laws all are, and I catch plenty of it |
| 19:57.58 | Wegg | oh . . . yea. . . you can't prove that he doesn't exist. . . |
| 19:58.06 | Shadowwire | ? |
| 19:58.08 | Wegg | I want an FSM T-shirt |
| 19:58.08 | rsimpkins | I wonder if Leavitt still wants a life in politics, or if he'll retire. |
| 19:58.11 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: I thought I mentioned that. |
| 19:58.30 | fozzmoo | Well, malpractice insurance anyway. |
| 19:58.40 | fozzmoo | Nobody can agree on tort caps. |
| 19:58.47 | pashdown | i've heard leavitt is eyeing the senate |
| 19:58.48 | Wegg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster |
| 19:58.58 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: well... they sound like idiots... |
| 19:59.01 | Shadowwire | you know what they say, If the voice of the people choose evil, i mean Hillary. |
| 19:59.03 | vontrapp | yeah, the greedy patient is a whole other aspect (though it's connected to malpractice) |
| 19:59.04 | rsimpkins | pashdown: He'd be a tough guy to run against. |
| 19:59.06 | fozzmoo | Leavitt is a lot like McCain and Hucksashmuck. |
| 19:59.30 | Shadowwire | nice :) |
| 19:59.38 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, I won't disagree :) but it goes beyond them.. it's not just an evangelical thing :) |
| 19:59.41 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I mean I'm moving back TO Utah because me and my girlfriend soon-to-be fiance think LDS communities are a good place for kids ;-) |
| 20:00.10 | pashdown | http://images.politico.com/global/080123_edtoon1-24_600.jpg |
| 20:01.03 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: Only if you happen to be LDS. |
| 20:01.03 | Wegg | datawOlf. . . the "kid" across the street from me just got put in jail for shop lifting and drug possession. |
| 20:01.03 | Wegg | 15 years old. |
| 20:01.03 | pashdown | off to eat, let me know what you guys figure out. :-) |
| 20:01.08 | fozzmoo | pashdown: you're funny. |
| 20:01.11 | fozzmoo | I'm starving too. |
| 20:01.13 | Wegg | His parents were super nice. . . our neighborhood is very supportive. . . he just fell into the wrong crowd. |
| 20:01.17 | fozzmoo | Supposed to be in a 1:00 meeting. |
| 20:01.18 | fozzmoo | argh |
| 20:01.22 | dataw0lf | Wegg: I was raised in the south side of Chicago. I can assure you, Mormons have, comparatively, better family environments. |
| 20:01.56 | Wegg | yea well. . . the myth of Utah being great for kids to grow up IMO is what brings all the bad kids here. |
| 20:02.07 | Wegg | So we get gangs etc. |
| 20:02.30 | rsimpkins | I don't sit outisde and hear gunshots at night, like I did in Nashville. |
| 20:02.35 | Wegg | Parents want to give their kids a fresh start. . . and it ends up bringing all the baggage with them. :-( |
| 20:02.37 | dataw0lf | I think that probably has more to do with illegal immigrants and the fact that the LDS church brings over a lot of poor people after missionary work (Samoa, etc) |
| 20:02.57 | Wegg | Ok well. . . yea that makes sense. |
| 20:03.02 | dataw0lf | But, uh, I promise my agnostic kids won't contaminate your neighborhood ;-) |
| 20:03.22 | dataw0lf | Draft! |
| 20:03.50 | findlay | yay |
| 20:03.59 | rsimpkins | We have some great neighbors. They are awesome people. They are not LDS. Several of our other LDS nieghbors won't let their kids play with this family's kids - because they aren't LDS> |
| 20:04.08 | rsimpkins | That's just wrong to me, but that is the message we send. |
| 20:04.17 | findlay | rsimpkins: you're so prejudiced |
| 20:04.26 | rsimpkins | Clearly. :) |
| 20:04.26 | dataw0lf | rsimpkins: really? erk. My parents raised my youngest sister in Salt Lake and didn't have that problem. |
| 20:04.40 | findlay | just trying to stir up some controversy |
| 20:04.48 | rsimpkins | dataw0lf: This is Utah County - a little more steeped in the culture than SLC maybe. :) |
| 20:04.58 | sjansen | Hillary isn't evil. Calling Hillary evil just makes you look stupid. |
| 20:05.06 | dataw0lf | Ah, yea, I probably wouldn't venture THAT far south. Don't want to burst into flames and all that. |
| 20:05.20 | Wegg | I taught Primary and I asked them point blank. "Lets pretend Bobby here goes to another church. . . can we still be friends with him?" Overwhelmingly the kids yelled out NO! |
| 20:05.25 | Wegg | Thats screwed up. |
| 20:05.39 | sjansen | Hillary is ambitious. For some reason we don't respect that, especially not in woman, but it's a positive trait as long as the person is honest. |
| 20:05.55 | rsimpkins | Wegg: Yeah, the culture is becomign more eleitist. |
| 20:06.00 | Wegg | yup |
| 20:06.05 | rsimpkins | We need a good wake up call. |
| 20:06.09 | sjansen | Hillary cares. She might have different opinions that you, but she does want to make the US a better place. |
| 20:06.09 | dataw0lf | Wegg: dang. I was pretty defensive when I first moved to Utah but eventually learned everybody wasn't trying to convert me. |
| 20:06.10 | Wegg | yup |
| 20:06.20 | rsimpkins | Tom Monson to tell us all to sell our homes and move to south america. :) |
| 20:06.30 | Wegg | dataw0lf. . . I live in Orem Utah |
| 20:06.36 | Wegg | very different to Salt Lake IMO |
| 20:06.39 | sjansen | Hillary has experience. She's tended to overplay it, but acting like she has no experience just makes you look stupid. |
| 20:06.41 | ^Migs^ | I'm seeing a bunch of sites that say to use SeamlessRDP you need VMWare or VirtualBox. Why would I need this, if I can connect to an actual Windows Terminal Server? |
| 20:06.55 | ^Migs^ | problem is I tried doing just that, connecting from my Ubuntu Linux box here to my Windows XP box, and it wouldn't work |
| 20:07.03 | dataw0lf | sjansen: yup, and Hillary HAS gotten stuff done. |
| 20:07.05 | sjansen | I'm tired of all the blind Hillary hatred. I don't plan on voting for her, but geez, what is is people? |
| 20:07.17 | Shadowwire | Yea Bill. |
| 20:07.25 | sjansen | Is is sexism? Afraid of a woman in power? |
| 20:07.38 | dataw0lf | The problem I have with Hillary is moer about her being so politicized and her same Democratic rhetoric when it comes to working with Republicans. |
| 20:07.42 | elg | is it bad memories of billy bob? |
| 20:07.51 | Wegg | I don't know. But now that McCain is "our" guy. . . I'm going to have to re-think that. |
| 20:07.52 | ^Migs^ | I'm with dataw0lf. |
| 20:08.01 | Shadowwire | Her policies on Guns, Econemy, Abortion, Healthcare, .... |
| 20:08.08 | sjansen | Is is Bill? Afraid another Democratic president will do a better job than our current Republicans president? |
| 20:08.27 | ^Migs^ | to some degree, it kind of does boil down to that, sjansen. WHen she lost in Iowa, she was in tears. IN TEARS. Is that the kind of person you want for president, someone who starts crying when things don't go their way? |
| 20:08.55 | sjansen | You'd rather have a president that hides with a group of little children as planes fly into buildings? |
| 20:09.04 | sjansen | Of course I'm exaggerating, but so are you. |
| 20:09.10 | Shadowwire | Im not. |
| 20:09.12 | Sargun | Are you saying that Bush is better than Hilary? |
| 20:09.19 | Shadowwire | Yes. |
| 20:09.22 | Sargun | You want shitty internet? |
| 20:09.23 | Sargun | er |
| 20:09.27 | Sargun | excuse my languag |
| 20:09.35 | sjansen | Shadowwire: Okay, so you disagree with her policies. That doesn't make her evil. |
| 20:09.37 | Wegg | I hate guns. Scare the crap out of me. Your 4 times more likely to be shot by accident than by you robbing someone. I hate the way the Republicans have run the economy. . . time for someone else to get a chance. . . Women should have the right to pick what they do with their own bodies (within reason) and Healthcare. . . is so jacked up right now. . . that again. . . time for "change" <shudder>. |
| 20:09.54 | Shadowwire | sure it does. to me. |
| 20:09.56 | sjansen | If anyone is evil it's the people trying to tar Hillary as evil without even thinking about her policies. |
| 20:10.12 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I agree though |
| 20:10.27 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: she wasn't in tears |
| 20:10.31 | Shadowwire | I have followed this thing from the beginning. |
| 20:10.36 | dataw0lf | Has anyone actually watched that footage of Hillary "crying" ? |
| 20:10.44 | Wegg | I'll support Ron Paul all I can till that isn't an option any more. . . but . . . time to start looking around. |
| 20:10.45 | dataw0lf | she, like, sniffled for half a second. |
| 20:10.53 | Shadowwire | She was not in tears... Not on camera anyway. |
| 20:11.00 | sjansen | It's possible for a Freedom loving, charitable, economically reasonable person to hold different opinions than you. |
| 20:11.07 | Jayce^ | I want to keep my 2nd ammendment rights, I think the goverment should do less (esp on the economy), I do not want federal/mandated healthcare... which locks me out of the democrats |
| 20:11.10 | Shadowwire | Who? |
| 20:11.24 | sjansen | Anyone. |
| 20:11.38 | dataw0lf | I don't think they've ever come close to taking away your 2nd amendment, Jayce^ |
| 20:11.42 | dataw0lf | They restricted assault rifles |
| 20:11.46 | dataw0lf | *I* didn't like it |
| 20:11.53 | dataw0lf | because I like owning assault rifles |
| 20:11.54 | Shadowwire | yeah, so did Mit. |
| 20:11.55 | Jayce^ | oh yeah... AWB did a *whole* lot |
| 20:11.56 | sjansen | Democrats are not raving lunatics. They are not defeatnics. They're not out to establish a new world order. |
| 20:12.15 | Jayce^ | it was a joke, trying to go after the second.. it was a first step |
| 20:12.16 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: right, but that wasn't a huge attack on your 2nd amendment rights |
| 20:12.22 | Shadowwire | Actualy Bill was all for the New World Order. |
| 20:12.26 | Jayce^ | it was an attack, and it wasnt' the only thing |
| 20:12.29 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: oh c'mon. |
| 20:12.35 | dataw0lf | I think guns do need to be regulated |
| 20:12.40 | sjansen | They might interpret certain parts of the constitution differently. They might have a different opinion of govts role in society. But that doesn't make them evil. |
| 20:12.43 | dataw0lf | And you probably should wait 2 weeks before actually receiving a piece. |
| 20:12.58 | Shadowwire | I disagree. |
| 20:13.01 | RyanE | sjansen: yeah, I think we got it by now. They're not evil. |
| 20:13.04 | sjansen | Black and white. Good and evil. Terrorist and human being. Life isn't that simple. |
| 20:13.13 | Jayce^ | I feel we should have as much regulation on our second ammendment, as our first |
| 20:13.19 | elg | except that we know emcnabb is a terrorist |
| 20:13.23 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:13.23 | ibot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, emcnabb, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 20:13.29 | Wegg | nothing. . . in government should be judged by the evil/good scale. Thats how Bush thinks. And thats why we are in Iraq and in a financial mess. |
| 20:13.36 | Shadowwire | If someone threatens my life, I want to be able to protect myself now, not in two weeks. |
| 20:13.37 | sjansen | Everyone whines about how divise politics has gotten. Well, I've got news for you, calling people evil isn't makig things any better. |
| 20:13.49 | dataw0lf | Shadowwire: well then you should already own a weapon |
| 20:13.58 | Jayce^ | Wegg, no, it has nothing to do with the economy |
| 20:14.07 | Shadowwire | Oh, I own about 30 |
| 20:14.14 | Jayce^ | Wegg, that goes so much farther than him... |
| 20:14.16 | dataw0lf | then what are you complaining about? |
| 20:14.22 | sjansen | Shadowwire: So you're going to ask the mugger to just hang on a moment while you run down the gun shop? Stupid. |
| 20:14.34 | Wegg | Ragheads = evil, send in the army, quitting is "evil", rack up the debt. |
| 20:14.37 | Shadowwire | Thank you for calling me stupid. |
| 20:14.41 | unum | I think you should need to take a training class to own a gun |
| 20:14.45 | dataw0lf | yea, I don't think you're going to have any time to run to the gun store if you're in actual danger |
| 20:14.49 | dataw0lf | unum: I do too. |
| 20:15.01 | unum | especially for a concealed weapons permit |
| 20:15.05 | Shadowwire | Do you own a weapon? |
| 20:15.07 | sjansen | I called the argument stupid. But if all you opinions are based on such thinking, you are stupid. |
| 20:15.11 | unum | if you can't aim it there's no point carrying it |
| 20:15.11 | dataw0lf | Shadowwire: Me? |
| 20:15.16 | unum | I do not |
| 20:15.17 | Wegg | I like that plan unm |
| 20:15.18 | rsimpkins | unum: I believe Utah requires that. |
| 20:15.20 | dataw0lf | I own about 8, and I received training when I was in the military. |
| 20:15.24 | RyanE | Shadowwire: he wasn't calling you stupid, just the idea that a 2-week waiting period will make you unsafe. If you're prepared, you're prepared. |
| 20:15.24 | unum | rsimpkins: no they don't |
| 20:15.32 | Jayce^ | Wegg, as if.. how about one of the many wars clinton had (illegal, but we gloss over that).. and that is such a small part of the debt compared to all the other crap we've been doing since the 20's/30's |
| 20:15.34 | rsimpkins | unum: Oh, well, don't several states require it? |
| 20:15.45 | Shadowwire | If someone threatens your life, do you want to have something under your pillow in case? |
| 20:15.46 | unum | rsimpkins: that could be why everyone gets their permits from utah |
| 20:16.06 | Wegg | Ok then your allowed to own a gun datawolf. But I should not be able too because my only experience holding a weapon that can mow down crowds of people just by squeezing a trigger is my bloody playstation! |
| 20:16.09 | dataw0lf | well Utah's conceal & carry transfers well to other states |
| 20:16.12 | Jayce^ | Wegg, nothing to do with the good/evil aspect, those screwups are largely from collectivism and entitlement creeping in for years |
| 20:16.17 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, one of the best |
| 20:16.23 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: true dat! |
| 20:16.24 | Shadowwire | I have a concealed licence as well as most of my family and friends. |
| 20:16.27 | sjansen | Now don't get me wrong. I'm all in favor of people owning guns. So long as they handle them responsibly. Many people I respect are gun nuts. |
| 20:16.35 | unum | Shadowwire: did you have to take a class |
| 20:16.39 | Shadowwire | Yes |
| 20:16.42 | unum | or you just have a background check |
| 20:16.45 | RyanE | sjansen: is that why you respect them? :) |
| 20:16.47 | Jayce^ | unum, minimum 4 hour required |
| 20:16.50 | unum | rsimpkins: I stand corrected |
| 20:16.51 | dataw0lf | unum: it's required |
| 20:17.05 | sjansen | RyanE: heh |
| 20:17.06 | unum | that's good to know |
| 20:17.25 | unum | I would support a law that required training before purchasing a gun |
| 20:17.27 | Jayce^ | Wegg, nah, he's not the first by far... it's just played up much more in the modern environment |
| 20:17.46 | Shadowwire | I would support training. |
| 20:17.49 | sjansen | My boss is a gun nut. I respect him because he's smart. He thinks carefully about his opinions and listens to the opinions of others, even people he doesn't agree with. |
| 20:17.55 | Shadowwire | but not banning. |
| 20:18.21 | dataw0lf | automatic fire is for idiots anyway |
| 20:18.25 | Jayce^ | I agree that certain checks should happen, and certain screw-ups remove certain rights... but I also don't want to be required to have special papers on file because I want security |
| 20:18.28 | Wegg | His "Axis of evil" speech had me screaming at the TV. |
| 20:18.32 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, except in paintball :) |
| 20:18.37 | sjansen | Jayce^ is a gun nut. I respect his dedication to the community, his perl-fu and knowledge of finance. |
| 20:18.38 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: well.. yea ;-) |
| 20:18.39 | rsimpkins | unum: I would like that to extend to advanced training for owning more powerful weapons as well. |
| 20:18.44 | Wegg | And. . . the results are exactly what I was expecting to have happen at the time. |
| 20:18.47 | emcnabb | elg, you're more larthappy than sjansen |
| 20:18.54 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:18.54 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that sjansen is stuck to the floor |
| 20:19.00 | rsimpkins | unum: For example, if I go through a series of training classes - any reason I can't own an assult weapon? |
| 20:19.21 | dataw0lf | because they're ridiculous in almost any sort of defense situation? |
| 20:19.37 | RyanE | heh. Good answer. |
| 20:19.38 | sjansen | dataw0lf seems to be a gun nut. I respect his willingness to server when many of us are to chicken or lazy. (BTW, his Democratic leaning prove you can be a Democrat and support the 2nd amendment.) |
| 20:19.45 | Jayce^ | and I do respect the rights of the states to choose their own restrictions... but I also don't want the feds requiring me to keep CA's stupid gun laws.. |
| 20:20.04 | sjansen | So there we go, 3 off the top of my head. Very different people. None of them evil. |
| 20:20.10 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I can definitely agree with you there. |
| 20:20.34 | RyanE | For example, if I go through a series of training classes -- any reason I can't own an atomic weapon? They're great in a defensive situation. Strap one to my forehead, and Bam! Problem Solved! |
| 20:20.50 | RyanE | one head-butt, and it's over, dude. |
| 20:21.04 | Wegg | RyanE: LOL |
| 20:21.07 | dataw0lf | I mean, I don't really believe the ban on assault rifles is all that bad. Nor is all that great. Criminals will get automatic weapons if they want them. |
| 20:21.08 | Wegg | I need food. |
| 20:21.10 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, friend of a friend got everything seized in CA, because his classic WWII .50 had a chain load.. and that allows more than 10 rounds :) |
| 20:22.02 | Sargun | nick125_, you there? |
| 20:22.02 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: I drove to Sacramento the other day and totally blanked and brough my 10mm handgun .... WHOOPS! |
| 20:22.07 | dataw0lf | brought* |
| 20:22.08 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, no kidding, but also the stupidity on what *is* an assault weapon.. a pistol grip.. or a barrel shroud... minimal stuff |
| 20:22.13 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, d'oh.. |
| 20:22.23 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: Yea, I agree. It's restrictive in some pretty stupid ways. |
| 20:22.31 | Jayce^ | yeah, I loved picking up my XD, and it had the "prohibited in CA"... heck, that was a requirement :) |
| 20:22.38 | dataw0lf | I think gun control could be instituted better. |
| 20:22.51 | dataw0lf | but I think NO gun control is just as ridiculous. |
| 20:23.14 | dataw0lf | I think when buying a handgun or an automatic weapon, detailed background check, some classes. |
| 20:23.34 | Wegg | I think its kind of sad how obsessed people are over guns. :-( I'd love for the "cool" factor of guns to go away. |
| 20:23.35 | Jayce^ | I think we should definately test any GC law by switching any reference to weapon with speech|book|etc just to see how shocked people get :) |
| 20:23.39 | sjansen | Geez, we make people prove they know how to use a car safely don't we? |
| 20:23.45 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:23.49 | Wegg | :-) |
| 20:24.19 | Wegg | thats a real good point sjansen |
| 20:24.29 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Hey, I just got my conceled book permit! |
| 20:24.33 | Wegg | we make them have insurance too. |
| 20:24.39 | Wegg | there shuld be Gun Owner insurance. |
| 20:25.14 | RyanE | The other day, I was driving to Sacramento, and I totally forgot that I had a copy of 'Enders Game' in the car. |
| 20:25.16 | Wegg | If you accidentally shoot someone. . . the insurance company helps the person shot out and ups your rates. |
| 20:25.34 | goozbach | lol @ RyanE |
| 20:25.44 | whiteley | ooo gun talk. what have I missed... |
| 20:25.59 | sjansen | Uh, no. If you shoot someone you go to prison and the insurance company helps the person. |
| 20:26.18 | sjansen | Assume it was not self defense. |
| 20:26.28 | Jayce^ | hey whiteley, join in :) |
| 20:26.37 | RyanE | yeah, that'd be a bargain. "How much would it cost my rates to wound sjansen?" |
| 20:26.42 | Jayce^ | Wegg, sure there is, they just sue the gun makers :) |
| 20:26.43 | Wegg | that too sjansen |
| 20:26.45 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: What i'd really like is the ability to legally fire incendiary and tracer ammo, or public access to military reservations to do so. |
| 20:26.52 | RyanE | "something in a nice flesh wound above the knee" |
| 20:26.54 | rsimpkins | Why can't the military do 'tourist' type stuff? |
| 20:27.02 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, you can do some tracer :) |
| 20:27.02 | sjansen | If a child uses your improperly stored gun to shoot someone, you go to prison _and_ your trigger finger gets chopped off. |
| 20:27.10 | rsimpkins | Like - I pay the national guard $50 and they take me out for some target practice? :) |
| 20:27.12 | Wegg | "this gun was not safe. . . I'll need $1,000,000 please" |
| 20:27.32 | Jayce^ | but yeah, access to the military bases for training/usage.. oh wait, that get's close to militias, which is bad now :-p |
| 20:27.41 | whiteley | esr is a good egg: http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/ |
| 20:27.45 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I think it would be fun. |
| 20:27.51 | Wegg | Ron Paul wants to bring back Militias. |
| 20:28.08 | Wegg | You guys can all go shoot things and protect the State of Utah from. . . Idaho. |
| 20:28.14 | sjansen | esr is a wacko ego maniac that happens to like guns |
| 20:28.14 | Jayce^ | Wegg, technically we should still have them, the governer of each state has the right.. |
| 20:28.16 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: The SWAT team did it in southern utah - so I know of at least one case where that occured. |
| 20:28.36 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, they get special privs :) |
| 20:29.01 | Jayce^ | Wegg, that's what the national guard was, until they were federalized in WWII |
| 20:29.19 | Jayce^ | and like any federal program, it didn't go away :) |
| 20:30.09 | Jayce^ | but some of the principles remain, such as when people freaked out when bush didn't send the guard immediately after katrina.. well actually he was required to wait for the state to do certain things first.. |
| 20:30.23 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Ever watched that show where the ex navy seal sniper goes out and shows off some of the latest weapons. |
| 20:30.27 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Great show. |
| 20:30.28 | Jayce^ | and our wonderful congress now says we should get rid of those last vestiges of state control :) |
| 20:30.35 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins, yeah |
| 20:30.54 | Wegg | Jayce. . . so you like Ron Paul? |
| 20:31.42 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 20:31.42 | ibot | dances the fozzmoo with elg |
| 20:32.55 | Jayce^ | Wegg, he's second for me.. some good ideas, mixed with some loonies behind him :) |
| 20:33.11 | Wegg | have to look at him and not his loonies. |
| 20:33.23 | Jayce^ | they're all package deals :) |
| 20:33.29 | Wegg | lol |
| 20:33.39 | Wegg | read my blog post Jayce. |
| 20:33.44 | Wegg | went to a Ron Paul meetup. |
| 20:33.48 | Wegg | www.eggington.net/~blog/ |
| 20:34.30 | Jayce^ | Wegg, oh, I know *plenty* of his supporters, and I know plenty of weirdos, the union is quite strong :) |
| 20:34.40 | Jayce^ | I don't always disagree, but there are some |
| 20:35.22 | Wegg | I got scared. |
| 20:35.30 | Wegg | John Birch, 9/11 truthers etc. |
| 20:35.44 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 20:35.56 | Jayce^ | white sup's, etc |
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| 20:38.22 | Jayce^ | perl1 |
| 20:38.29 | Tene | mostly done, iirc |
| 20:38.51 | Jayce^ | I knew schwern brought it back for modern gcc's, but didn't know he'd ported |
| 20:38.59 | Tene | languages/punie/ in the parrot tree |
| 20:39.03 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 20:39.40 | Tene | All tests successful. |
| 20:39.40 | Tene | Files=19, Tests=52, 23 wallclock secs ( 0.09 usr 0.10 sys + 14.50 cusr 6.10 csys = 20.79 CPU) |
| 20:39.43 | Tene | Result: PASS |
| 20:42.33 | sjansen | Tene: Reimplement bf using PCT. |
| 20:43.12 | Tene | Hmm. |
| 20:43.21 | Tene | Would there really be much advantage to doing that? |
| 20:47.52 | sjansen | zero |
| 20:48.19 | sjansen | You didn't say you wanted something _useful_ to implement. |
| 20:49.03 | sjansen | You could check the status of the much abandoned Ruby port. |
| 20:49.06 | RyanE | sjansen: when you went to Brazil, what did you see? |
| 20:49.16 | RyanE | and what do you wish you'd seen, but didn't? |
| 20:49.20 | sjansen | RyanE: Trees. |
| 20:49.23 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:49.31 | sjansen | Trees, and people and rain. |
| 20:49.36 | sjansen | Oh, and buses. Lots of buses. |
| 20:49.37 | Jayce^ | RyanE, I wish I'd seen a Mt. Dew... |
| 20:49.55 | sjansen | RyanE: I assume you're asking because you're thinking about going back. |
| 20:49.56 | RyanE | Jayce^: have you been back recently? |
| 20:50.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, is cardinal abandoned? tewk used to be working on it |
| 20:50.10 | RyanE | yep |
| 20:50.17 | Jayce^ | RyanE, s/recently/ever/ |
| 20:50.20 | Jayce^ | no |
| 20:50.28 | RyanE | I only know I want to see friends, and see Foz do Iguassu |
| 20:50.41 | sjansen | I didn't "see" much. Mostly I visited members and explored the better parts outside my areas. |
| 20:50.44 | Jayce^ | Like I tell my wife, most of the areas I was in, I couldn't go back, and really couldn't bring my family.. |
| 20:50.50 | Jayce^ | plus, not a lot to see in BH |
| 20:51.13 | sjansen | Campo do Jordao |
| 20:51.15 | RyanE | I'd like to see some more of the country than the south. |
| 20:51.25 | sjansen | Barretos during the rodeo |
| 20:51.26 | RyanE | do some of the touristy things |
| 20:51.31 | Jayce^ | ouro Preto |
| 20:51.41 | Jayce^ | or Diamantinha |
| 20:52.48 | Jayce^ | browsing in Google Earth I found out there is a Hard Rock cafe in BH now... |
| 20:53.12 | sjansen | It's a _big_ country. But you can sometimes get specials on cheaps flights bouncing around various tourist points. In fact, buying a series is often cheaper than buying individual direct. |
| 20:54.10 | sjansen | I suppose you could be boring an visit Rio. |
| 20:54.36 | RyanE | I don't want to do *all* the touristy things... |
| 20:54.43 | Jayce^ | gotta visit at least one praia |
| 20:54.45 | sjansen | Hit the amazon and bring back a computer. ;-) |
| 20:55.04 | RyanE | hey, I'm not stealing any xo laptops for you... :) |
| 20:55.14 | Jayce^ | I lost my best one years back |
| 20:55.22 | RyanE | I guess I should hit a futebol game or two as well. |
| 20:55.31 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, the minerao |
| 20:55.44 | RyanE | o que e' isso? |
| 20:55.54 | sjansen | XO? No. The amazon region is a special tax free manufacturing zone. Got so powerful, cheap machines up there. |
| 20:56.24 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:56.28 | RyanE | oh, right, zona franca de manaus. |
| 20:56.59 | RyanE | I thought you wanted me to steal some poor kid's XO in the amazon. :) |
| 21:01.42 | sjansen | Well, if you get the chance... |
| 21:01.55 | RyanE | heh |
| 21:10.54 | levi | Ahh, I'm back home. |
| 21:11.48 | sjansen | Look! It's a levi! |
| 21:17.35 | wps | how would I escape a question mark in a mod_rewrite rule I have? |
| 21:20.20 | goozbach | \? |
| 21:20.42 | goozbach | and if that doesn't work keep adding back slashes |
| 21:20.59 | wps | k… I'll try two |
| 21:21.08 | herlo | 10 will work for sure :) |
| 21:21.11 | levi | sjansen: I ate waaaay too much food in the last few days, and I paid the price. |
| 21:21.41 | herlo | sjansen: on the road are we? |
| 21:21.44 | wps | I tried 10 and it still doesn't work :( |
| 21:21.48 | herlo | er levi I mean |
| 21:21.58 | herlo | wps: heeh, that wasn't serious |
| 21:22.00 | levi | herlo: I was at a conference in Park City. |
| 21:22.03 | wps | I know |
| 21:22.05 | herlo | levi: nice |
| 21:22.09 | herlo | food is good |
| 21:22.11 | wps | two didn't work either though |
| 21:22.13 | wps | :( |
| 21:22.15 | levi | herlo: We had meals at fancy restaurants. |
| 21:22.43 | levi | herlo: It's good as long as it doesn't give you extremely bad heartburn all night. |
| 21:22.47 | herlo | levi: I have meals every week at fancy restaurants on the road if I want |
| 21:23.09 | herlo | hehe, yeah, had mexican last night, mild case of heartburn, but it was worth it... |
| 21:23.22 | levi | herlo: Last night was *not* mild. |
| 21:23.59 | herlo | levi: take some pills and quit whining ") |
| 21:24.35 | levi | I don't usually get heartburn, and I wasn't planning on staying overnight, so I didn't have any pills. |
| 21:25.20 | sjansen | *sigh* Deep and mysterious are the ways of kerberos. Some days it works. Some days it doesn't. Kerberos be praised. |
| 21:27.53 | *** join/#utah cridrferi (n=Chelle@michmax.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 21:31.37 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 21:31.37 | ibot | dances the fozzmoo with elg |
| 21:53.25 | Keighvin | ~dance |
| 21:53.26 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 22:07.15 | Jayce^ | ~emulate gir |
| 22:07.16 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 22:08.46 | sjansen | ~emulate Jayce^ |
| 22:12.44 | Jayce^ | ~emulate gir |
| 22:12.45 | ibot | yay! |
| 22:43.06 | goozbach | ~emulate mrs bitters |
| 22:50.08 | Supaplex | ~emulate TimRiker |
| 22:50.09 | ibot | it has been said that emulate bzflag is obsolete |
| 23:08.39 | findlay | ~literal cmd: emulate (.*?) |
| 23:11.36 | Supaplex | ~listkeys emulate |
| 23:11.52 | Supaplex | ~listkeys emulate tim |
| 23:12.18 | Supaplex | ~listkeys cmd: emula |
| 23:12.37 | *** join/#utah lakshmi (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:14.12 | herlo | Tene: do you have a last.fm account? |
| 23:14.16 | herlo | sjansen: what about you? |
| 23:21.08 | elg | ~emulate drphil |
| 23:21.08 | ibot | Well, look at it from _their_ perspective... |
| 23:21.29 | elg | so dr. phil is known for his bad grammar? |
| 23:22.35 | Heartsbane | Oh no not bad grammar, it is IRC not a college paper |
| 23:22.41 | Heartsbane | get over it |
| 23:24.11 | elg | dr phil isn't in irc |
| 23:27.37 | Supaplex | he is now |
| 23:27.41 | Supaplex | ~emulate drphil |
| 23:27.41 | ibot | Well, look at it from _their_ perspective... |
| 23:28.03 | Supaplex | or at least his likeness ;-p |
| 23:28.49 | elg | ~emulate drphil is Well, look at it from {its,his,her} perspective... |
| 23:28.49 | ibot | ...but emulate drphil is already something else... |
| 23:29.02 | elg | ~no, emulate drphil is Well, look at it from {its,his,her} perspective... |
| 23:34.29 | Tene | herlo: I don't. |
| 23:34.32 | Tene | Should I? |
| 23:34.50 | herlo | Tene: just thought this user was you |
| 23:35.01 | herlo | its up to you whether you want one |
| 23:35.04 | Tene | oh, I guess I might have signed up and forgotten about it. |
| 23:35.16 | Tene | That seems like the sort of thing I'd forget about after signing up. |
| 23:35.20 | Tene | link to the user? |
| 23:38.22 | herlo | http://www.last.fm/user/tene/ |
| 23:38.42 | herlo | says female, but didn't see that until just now |
| 23:40.20 | Tene | There's a female me somewhere online? |
| 23:40.23 | Tene | Interesting. |
| 23:40.33 | herlo | maybe |
| 23:42.11 | *** join/#utah bonez44 (n=scott@75.144.9.237) |
| 23:43.47 | lakshmi | Tene !! |
| 23:43.58 | Tene | hi lakshmi |
| 23:47.24 | fozzmoo | STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! My laptop isn't creating a /dev/ttyUSB1 device when I attach my Treo and try to sync. |
| 23:47.28 | Tene | It's not me, but she apparently has similar taste in music. |
| 23:47.41 | herlo | MAKEDEV usb |
| 23:47.59 | fozzmoo | herlo: Sure, but hotplug/udev should handle it for me! |
| 23:48.35 | herlo | true |
| 23:48.43 | herlo | check your udevrules |
| 23:49.03 | herlo | maybe hotplug isn't running, or udev |
| 23:50.48 | fozzmoo | My optical mouse is working fine. |
| 23:55.01 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@fugalh.nmsu.edu) |
| 23:55.01 | ibot | dances the fozzmoo with elg |
| 23:56.46 | Wegg | you use a plam with Linux? |
| 23:56.53 | Wegg | awesome. . . does it sync? |
| 23:56.56 | Wegg | oops. . . just left |
| 23:57.04 | levi | elg: Heartsbane is a champion of bad grammar. ;) |
| 23:57.21 | levi | Time to leave for class. |
| 23:58.39 | Wegg | have fun |
