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| 00:48.43 | klys | ...just kidding! |
| 00:49.35 | klys | ~seen shadowwire |
| 00:49.36 | ibot | shadowwire <n=shadowwi@mail.swplumb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4d 1h 24m 59s ago, saying: 'no, im... wait yea im honest.'. |
| 00:52.28 | maquis | ~seen klys |
| 00:52.29 | ibot | klys is currently on #debian (3m 55s) #utah (3m 55s). Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 2m 54s, last said: '~seen shadowwire'. |
| 00:52.36 | maquis | ~seen maquis |
| 00:52.37 | ibot | maquis is currently on #utos (2d 1h 7m 45s) #ubuntu-utah (2d 1h 7m 45s) #utah (2d 1h 7m 45s). Has said a total of 32 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen maquis'. |
| 00:52.51 | klys | IC |
| 00:53.20 | maquis | not quite sure how ibot counts messages |
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| 02:48.41 | levi | Oh my, Beauty and the Geek is bad. |
| 02:56.51 | vontrapp | which part? |
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| 03:20.43 | mrpull-x | virtualbox is a lot less Free than I was thinking |
| 03:20.48 | mrpull-x | has anybody used it much? |
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| 03:24.42 | Supaplex | I uninstalled virtualbox a few weeks ago. I don't recall all the reasons why, but I'm not messing with it again anytime soon. |
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| 03:40.00 | levi | Some annoying door-to-door dude was bugging my wife at the door when I got home today. |
| 03:40.30 | levi | I hate door-to-door tactics. |
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| 03:46.50 | Supaplex | hello bouncing decriptor |
| 03:47.08 | decriptor_ | I blame my laptop the the hand that opens and closes it :P |
| 03:47.21 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 03:47.40 | Supaplex | that's better than a bouncing laptop. . . |
| 03:47.48 | decriptor_ | how very true |
| 03:57.41 | herlo | has anyone here ever rolled out moinmoin? |
| 03:57.50 | herlo | I seem to be really dense and can't quite get it going... |
| 03:58.13 | Supaplex | would it work better in the morning? |
| 03:58.25 | jsmith | Supaplex: Not for herlo... his brain doesn't kick in 'til midnight |
| 03:59.36 | Supaplex | ~define moin |
| 03:59.36 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 03:59.42 | Supaplex | ~dict moin |
| 03:59.47 | herlo | jsmith: is correct |
| 03:59.51 | Supaplex | lame bot! |
| 04:00.36 | herlo | ibot: moin is http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinWiki |
| 04:00.36 | ibot | ...but moin is already something else... |
| 04:00.42 | Supaplex | ~moin |
| 04:00.43 | ibot | from memory, moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory |
| 04:00.50 | herlo | ibot: moin is also http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinWiki |
| 04:00.51 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 04:00.57 | herlo | ~moin |
| 04:00.58 | ibot | i guess moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory, or http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinWiki |
| 04:01.03 | Supaplex | no, that's moinmoin. *grumble* |
| 04:01.17 | herlo | Supaplex: the fedora package is actually moin |
| 04:01.32 | Supaplex | ahh I see. |
| 04:01.39 | herlo | ~moinmoin |
| 04:01.40 | ibot | i heard moinmoin is a wiki wiki written in Python with lots of nifty features. See http://moin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:01.43 | Supaplex | which remindors me. |
| 04:01.45 | brac | [The MoinMoin Wiki moved] |
| 04:02.02 | Supaplex | ~seen timriker |
| 04:02.05 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4h 7m 15s ago, saying: 'Winny: can you put the teleporter behind the text?'. |
| 04:02.41 | levi | Heh, my stats textbook has an example that graphs the median income against the birthrate for all 50 states. |
| 04:03.30 | levi | The curve is totally flat, but there's this one outlier that's got a way higher birthrate than any other. |
| 04:03.45 | levi | Any guesses which state it is? |
| 04:04.28 | herlo | uh, Florida? |
| 04:04.31 | herlo | :) |
| 04:04.42 | Supaplex | hawaii |
| 04:04.46 | herlo | oh wait! that's Old People rate! |
| 04:05.08 | herlo | Hawaii? That's got the highest Island rate in the US |
| 04:05.39 | Supaplex | well, since pashdown isn't in congress, I'll say congress at present, because there's lots of whiney babys that are thick as rocks ;) |
| 04:06.03 | herlo | as in Vancouver, BC |
| 04:06.08 | Supaplex | mexico? oh wait, are they one of our states yet? ;) |
| 04:06.20 | levi | No, silly people, it's Utah. :) |
| 04:06.27 | Supaplex | we know... |
| 04:06.33 | levi | I know you know. |
| 04:08.02 | herlo | What!? (I want to use the interrobang, but don't know how) |
| 04:08.18 | herlo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang |
| 04:10.30 | levi | Isn't it ?! |
| 04:11.00 | levi | With the interrogatory before the bang?! |
| 04:13.35 | herlo | levi: they're actually overlayed |
| 04:14.33 | herlo | levi: but writing them out, it might be your way, never really looked, was futzing around looking for proof of an explanation why the ! is called "bang" |
| 04:14.49 | herlo | and I came across the interrobang |
| 04:15.24 | jsmith | herlo: Because the "shebang" wouldn't be the same without the bang |
| 04:16.50 | herlo | jsmith: someone actually pointed out that the original reason it was called bang was that old typewriters would make a loud "bang" sound when the ! was typed. I wanted proof |
| 04:17.15 | herlo | there is evidence to support that typesetters used bang |
| 04:17.19 | RyanE | old typewriters made a loud bang whenever *ANY* key was typed... |
| 04:17.46 | herlo | RyanE: I agree, but it was apparently a particularly old typewriter and the ! was louder |
| 04:17.50 | RyanE | It's likely you would just notice it at the end of a sentence when you're also holding down the blasted shift key. |
| 04:18.09 | herlo | RyanE: could be |
| 04:18.29 | RyanE | If you recall, you had to hold the shift key like 3/4" down, which, when I learned as a child, was a pain. |
| 04:18.32 | herlo | RyanE: it could also be related to typesetting rather than typewriters... |
| 04:18.55 | RyanE | If I remember, I'll ask my Dad. He was a typesetter for 20 years. |
| 04:18.56 | herlo | which seems to make more sense actually. |
| 04:19.21 | RyanE | and still runs the Linotype at the Crandall Historical Printing Museum in Provo. |
| 04:19.23 | herlo | RyanE: so you know why they call the spacing between lines "leading" then ey... |
| 04:19.39 | RyanE | yeah, with real hot lead. |
| 04:19.47 | herlo | yuppers |
| 04:20.10 | herlo | when you work in the newspaper business for any length of time, these things come out... |
| 04:20.31 | RyanE | herlo: you seen a Linotype work? Freakin' amazing machine. |
| 04:20.45 | RyanE | basically a Rube Goldberg machine, but one that does something useful. |
| 04:21.40 | herlo | RyanE: never seen one actually. I'll have to go by the museum sometime |
| 04:21.58 | herlo | maybe I'll go about the time you come to the next game night... :) |
| 04:22.10 | RyanE | it's awesome. Dad'll even make you a Line of type with your name on it. |
| 04:22.18 | herlo | SWEET! |
| 04:22.42 | RyanE | That could likely be arranged. |
| 04:22.42 | fozzmoo | "Fozziliny George Moo" for me |
| 04:22.53 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 04:22.53 | herlo | exactly |
| 04:23.18 | RyanE | fozzmoo: I'm not sure that'll fit on one line... :) |
| 04:23.29 | fozzmoo | herlo: Twiki? |
| 04:23.33 | herlo | fozzmoo: no |
| 04:23.40 | fozzmoo | herlo: TWiki! |
| 04:23.43 | herlo | ~twiki |
| 04:23.44 | ibot | well, twiki is 10 01Web based collaboration tool. URL: http://twiki.org/ |
| 04:24.00 | fozzmoo | Powered by Perl, of course. |
| 04:24.01 | herlo | fozzmoo: does it do acls? |
| 04:24.07 | fozzmoo | I think so. |
| 04:24.07 | herlo | fozzmoo: does it support ldap? |
| 04:24.14 | fozzmoo | Uhm... I don't remember. Probably. |
| 04:24.16 | herlo | fozzmoo: does it provide an easier installer |
| 04:24.21 | herlo | than moinmoin |
| 04:24.26 | fozzmoo | That I can't answer. |
| 04:24.31 | herlo | or easier than MediaWiki? |
| 04:24.35 | fozzmoo | Installation is pretty straightforward, tho. |
| 04:24.46 | fozzmoo | Never installed MediaWiki. |
| 04:25.03 | fozzmoo | Tene told me the underlying PHP code was... nightmarish... |
| 04:25.10 | fozzmoo | Of course, he wasn't fond of PHP code to begin with. |
| 04:25.48 | herlo | fozzmoo: mediawiki is pretty simple, just requires one db and to unzip a directory structure. I saw many of the features of moinmoin and thought it'd be easy. But I feel very stupid right now trying to get it to work... |
| 04:26.03 | herlo | I've been at it for three days almost |
| 04:26.55 | herlo | php seems to be easy to deploy compared with python and perl... which is why I think a lot of people deploy apps that use php... |
| 04:27.07 | herlo | not that python or perl are all that hard |
| 04:27.11 | herlo | normally |
| 04:27.37 | fozzmoo | Problem I've found with a lot of PHP apps is the installation instructions start with, "chmod 777 /some/directory" |
| 04:27.43 | fozzmoo | I don't like that! |
| 04:27.49 | herlo | fozzmoo: most don't really say that |
| 04:28.14 | fozzmoo | And then they have these silly web-based installers. |
| 04:28.16 | herlo | its more that people suggest it in comments and what not. |
| 04:28.21 | fozzmoo | There's that too. |
| 04:28.24 | herlo | oh, web based installers are the best! |
| 04:28.52 | herlo | I hate doing command line installing when its literally two clicks on a web browser and I'm done. |
| 04:29.16 | herlo | unless its one command on the commandline, its *not* better to do it on the command line |
| 04:29.25 | herlo | and so far, its been more than one command |
| 04:29.47 | fozzmoo | Most web installers still need write access. |
| 04:29.52 | fozzmoo | that frightens me. |
| 04:29.58 | fozzmoo | But then, I'm easily frightened. |
| 04:30.18 | herlo | they only need write access for a few moments. |
| 04:30.33 | herlo | besides, how would you do it in command line? SUID? |
| 04:30.35 | RyanE | yeah, as soon as they rm -rf .*, they don't need it anymore... :) |
| 04:30.55 | herlo | RyanE: huh? |
| 04:31.01 | RyanE | nevermind... |
| 04:31.11 | fozzmoo | RyanE: :-D |
| 04:31.25 | herlo | RyanE: that command wouldn't get run from a web installer |
| 04:31.36 | RyanE | herlo: you certainly hope... :) |
| 04:31.38 | fozzmoo | herlo: You hope not. :) |
| 04:31.53 | herlo | holy crap! You guys *are* ultra paranoid! |
| 04:32.12 | RyanE | naw, I've used web installers, as long as the app is well-known. |
| 04:32.20 | herlo | I mean, sure write access is a concern, but how hard is it to run chmod -R a-w ? |
| 04:32.22 | RyanE | I'm just kidding. I love worst-case scenarios. |
| 04:32.37 | herlo | ~lart RyanE |
| 04:32.37 | ibot | gives RyanE a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 04:33.00 | fozzmoo | TWiki has some web install stuff. There are a couple files that need to be apache writable. |
| 04:33.14 | RyanE | herlo: if Games Night was *every* week, I'd have twice as many chances to not come... :) |
| 04:33.24 | fozzmoo | Best thing to do is limit access to the configure CGI to only trusted IPs. |
| 04:37.46 | herlo | RyanE: exactly, so why make it *every* week when you're already not coming |
| 04:38.07 | herlo | fozzmoo: I'll give it a look. Have you set it up before? |
| 04:38.13 | RyanE | herlo: well, we *do* know that it's all about *meeeeee*... |
| 04:38.15 | fozzmoo | herlo: Yeah. |
| 04:38.19 | fozzmoo | http://www.barbershopwiki.org/ |
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| 04:39.44 | fozzmoo | A buddy of mine is a barbershop quartet guy |
| 04:39.56 | fozzmoo | Not me. I can't carry a tune. |
| 04:40.18 | Supaplex | ohhhhhHHHh barber. I thought it said barbie. |
| 04:40.42 | Supaplex | more proof I need sleep. nite. :P |
| 04:40.45 | fozzmoo | uh huh |
| 04:43.02 | herlo | Sleep, that is! |
| 04:44.19 | herlo | :) |
| 04:45.21 | jsmith | herlo: Uh huh... |
| 04:55.48 | sontek | herlo: you sleep to much! |
| 04:58.15 | herlo | sontek: probably |
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| 13:32.46 | goozbach | avast! it be talk like a pirate day! |
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| 13:45.35 | jsmith | goozbach: Ahoy! |
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| 14:35.53 | goozbach | jsmith: avast! |
| 14:49.20 | Jayce^ | goozbach, ye be a wench |
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| 15:01.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:01.57 | Supap|ex | Ahoy! |
| 15:03.01 | goozbach | that's gonna come back to haunt me methinks... |
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| 15:06.55 | goozbach | wow! he hasn't come back... |
| 15:06.58 | goozbach | :( |
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| 15:08.39 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 15:08.49 | *** kick/#utah [goozbach!n=jayce@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (show a little respect) |
| 15:09.01 | Jayce^ | http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wbmcwinners.shtml <--- wow..... |
| 15:09.04 | brac | [World Beard & Moustache Championships 2007 | The Winners] |
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| 15:09.42 | goozbach | ok so that was a bit out of line. |
| 15:10.06 | Jayce^ | goozbach, http://www.handlebarclub.co.uk/wbmcwinners.shtml |
| 15:10.07 | brac | [World Beard & Moustache Championships 2007 | The Winners] |
| 15:10.19 | Jayce^ | since you "stepped out" and missed it |
| 15:11.20 | Supap|ex | hehe |
| 15:14.29 | goozbach | I think that would be fun |
| 15:15.19 | Jayce^ | sideburn freestyle? |
| 15:17.05 | goozbach | I have to be able to grow sideburns first |
| 15:17.32 | Jayce^ | sideburns I can do, they just *still* don't connect past the cheeks yet.. |
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| 15:32.25 | Haunting | hey all |
| 15:33.00 | RyanE | Haunting: aren't you about a month early? |
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| 15:35.05 | |phoenyx| | unum: what's the current state of fslc? |
| 15:36.27 | tensai | o/~ Billy Jean is not my lover ~/o |
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| 15:38.05 | unum | |phoenyx|: good. they had a meeting last night |
| 15:39.44 | |phoenyx| | unum: do they have a new web dev? |
| 15:40.04 | unum | |phoenyx|: probably, but the website has been done for some time |
| 15:40.12 | unum | s/done/down |
| 15:40.22 | unum | that was completely the opposite of what I wanted to say |
| 15:42.06 | |phoenyx| | I wrote about half of a site for fslc that I might be able to dig up if anyone wanted it |
| 15:42.25 | |phoenyx| | I did it in Ruby on Rails though, which met with a lot of resistance |
| 15:42.42 | Haunting | This the xbox 360 chat room? |
| 15:43.26 | tensai | ~onjoin Jayce^ |
| 15:43.26 | ibot | onjoin for jayce^ set by elg on Tue Apr 17 08:53:33 2007: Who's that shouting, "Jayce^ the operator!"? All he ever gives us is pain. |
| 15:43.53 | Jayce^ | obviously elg was listening to some DM at the time |
| 15:44.29 | neybar | ping redbeard2 |
| 15:44.34 | tensai | Drugged Monkeys? |
| 15:44.40 | tensai | Dopey Manatees? |
| 15:44.44 | redbeard2 | neybar: pong |
| 15:45.06 | Haunting | anyone know of a xbox 360 chat channel? hardware failure that kinda stuff on IRC? |
| 15:45.37 | neybar | International Talk Like a Pirate Day is a little quite around here now... maytey. |
| 15:45.55 | RyanE | We're #utah. We don't have Xboxes or even TV's. We just plow the field all day. |
| 15:46.04 | RyanE | and talk on IRC from atop our tractors. |
| 15:46.10 | RyanE | I mean, horses. |
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| 15:47.30 | RyanE | Arrr, Mateys, scared the barnaclebutt off! |
| 15:47.38 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/great_big_sea-drunken_sailor.mp3 |
| 15:47.44 | tensai | best pirate song ever |
| 15:47.45 | tensai | arr |
| 15:49.37 | tensai | from last year's Coverville TLaPD edition |
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| 16:08.56 | Keighvin | Holy crap, I left this up? |
| 16:10.19 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
| 16:10.23 | elg | redbeard2: ping |
| 16:10.26 | Keighvin | Supaplex: To get your synergyc working over NAT, your only real choices are port forwarding or DMZ. |
| 16:10.41 | elg | grumble. why isn't my procmail recipe working? |
| 16:10.48 | Keighvin | Port forwarding can be configured either in the router, or established over SSH or some such. |
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| 16:11.23 | Keighvin | That lart reminds me of the time my brother put tabasco sauce on the mouthpiece of my trumpet. |
| 16:11.47 | brasto | cool... did your trumpet taste good? |
| 16:12.40 | elg | Jayce^: speak of the devil, that song just came on |
| 16:13.47 | redbeard2 | elg: bong |
| 16:14.41 | Keighvin | It tasted OK. |
| 16:15.00 | Keighvin | Mostly it made it easier to hit high notes - a little bit of swelling goes a long way to tighten things up. |
| 16:16.02 | Supap|ex | hehe. odd. |
| 16:20.19 | Jayce^ | arr Keighvin, ye scallywag |
| 16:23.15 | elg | redbeard2: i'm having a heck of a time talking to you |
| 16:23.20 | elg | -chat redbeard2 works |
| 16:23.20 | brac | redbeard2 works |
| 16:23.25 | elg | -chat redbeard2 plays |
| 16:23.25 | brac | redbeard2 plays |
| 16:23.30 | elg | -chat redbeard2 is |
| 16:23.31 | brac | redbeard2 is here, if thats ok |
| 16:23.33 | elg | it is |
| 16:23.49 | elg | -chat the hat |
| 16:23.50 | brac | the hat is stuck on Ubuntu 6.10. |
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| 16:24.09 | Supap|ex | -chat the red hat |
| 16:24.09 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
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| 16:24.16 | Supap|ex | -chat the redhat |
| 16:24.16 | brac | the redhat campus? |
| 16:24.24 | elg | -chat it is |
| 16:24.25 | brac | it is good for you |
| 16:26.44 | brasto | bzgrep l8INuOII025459 maillog.0.bz2 |
| 16:26.44 | brasto | Sep 18 23:56:25 mscis sm-mta[25459]: l8INuOII025459: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<[someoenesemailaddress]>, relay=107.68.8.72.dhcp.mstarmetro.net [72.8.68.107] (may be forged), reject=550 5.7.1 <[someoenesemailaddress]>... Relaying denied. IP name possibly forged [72.8.68.107] |
| 16:26.44 | brasto | Sep 18 23:56:30 mscis sm-mta[25459]: l8INuOII025459: from=<[someoenesemailaddress]>, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=107.68.8.72.dhcp.mstarmetro.net [72.8.68.107] (may be forged) |
| 16:26.53 | brasto | what do you guys make of that |
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| 16:32.04 | brasto | the user's not authenticating... i figured it out... |
| 16:32.39 | tensai | brasto: it appears that you're using Sendmail. that's the main problem. |
| 16:32.52 | Supap|ex | haha |
| 16:34.23 | tensai | I recommend upgrading to Post.Office and Incredimail |
| 16:35.24 | brasto | tensai, i'm fairly well stuck with sendmail on this server, but i'll take the trade off for all the goodies on the server. It's a vps. |
| 16:39.40 | ^Migs^ | http://www.chumfm.com/MorningShow/bits/march24.swf |
| 16:40.20 | elg | brasto: I'm not a qmail fan, but qmail trumps sendmail any day |
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| 16:51.27 | elg | VERBOSE=yes always a good idea |
| 16:51.38 | elg | there's so few tools on this stupid mail server |
| 16:56.05 | levi | Ahoy, mateys! |
| 16:57.51 | tensai | shiver me timbers, it's levi |
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| 17:10.16 | elg | argh! no formail |
| 17:11.20 | sjansen | ~give elg formail |
| 17:11.21 | ibot | ACTION gives formail to elg |
| 17:11.38 | elg | ~lart solaris |
| 17:11.38 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to solaris, and goes postal |
| 17:16.21 | Supap|ex | good bot :) hehehehe |
| 17:17.01 | elg | formail is packaged with procmail. it's got to be there. it's probably just a path problem |
| 17:17.21 | elg | too bad I can't log in directly and have to glean information with e.g. LOG=`which procmail` and the like :) |
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| 17:19.32 | tensai | elg: that's a relief. I thought you wanted formmail. ain't nobody needs that. |
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| 17:27.06 | elg | is there a solaris-friendly way to get the path to the current process? which says there's no procmail, but there obviously is. If I can find procmail I can probably find formail |
| 17:27.18 | elg | ps -o comm -p $$ just says "procmail" |
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| 17:42.01 | jsmith | elg: which `ps -o comm -p ##` would find it, if it was in your path |
| 17:42.06 | jsmith | elg: But you probably already knew that |
| 17:42.20 | elg | yeah, which says it doesn't exist |
| 17:42.24 | elg | so it's not in my path |
| 17:44.09 | goozbach | debianistas: what package is the command 'dig' located in? |
| 17:44.21 | elg | dpkg -S `which dig` |
| 17:44.38 | goozbach | elg: that's the problem, I don't have dig installed |
| 17:44.39 | elg | dnsutils |
| 17:44.45 | goozbach | ahh thanks |
| 17:45.16 | Supap|ex | apt-file search bin/dig |
| 17:45.42 | goozbach | apt-file? |
| 17:45.50 | goozbach | hadn't heard about that tool |
| 17:45.57 | goozbach | apt-cache I had |
| 17:46.15 | Supap|ex | apt-cache show apt-file |
| 17:46.46 | beandog | why would htpasswd2 be in /usr/sbin? |
| 17:47.11 | elg | cuz someone thinks it's a system tool I guess |
| 17:47.31 | elg | the bigger question is why would anyone not have the sbins in their path? |
| 17:47.55 | beandog | well, only root has it in mine |
| 17:48.10 | elg | right |
| 17:48.17 | beandog | so, huh? |
| 17:48.19 | beandog | :) |
| 17:48.22 | beandog | I mean, why isnt it in /usr/bin |
| 17:48.30 | elg | drives me crazy when my account doesn't have /sbin:/usr/sbin in the path |
| 17:48.37 | elg | too many useful tools (that don't have to be run as root) |
| 17:48.45 | elg | because someone thinks it's a system tool |
| 17:49.05 | redbeard2 | i just got one of those cheap pharmacy emails... but was was impressive about it was that it had unsubscribe info... for webmd |
| 17:49.16 | elg | sure, lusers might never need stuff there, but admin users (who shouldn't be prowling around as root all day, duh) do |
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| 18:02.03 | tensai | ~lart level3 |
| 18:02.03 | ibot | beats level3 over the head with a microkernel |
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| 18:12.27 | tensai | apparently level3 lost bgp on *all* of their routers |
| 18:12.38 | tensai | needless to say, that impacted their network a bit |
| 18:17.54 | jsmith | tensai: w00t! |
| 18:17.58 | jsmith | tensai: I mean... oops. |
| 18:22.05 | dataw0lf | wow |
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| 18:29.44 | tensai | "Cause of outage/impairment: BGP configuration removed" |
| 18:29.56 | Supap|ex | hahaaa |
| 18:30.33 | Supap|ex | ~level3-- |
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| 18:38.31 | elg | cause of tensai/jsmith: BGP configuration restored |
| 18:40.56 | jsmith | elg: Thanks ;-) |
| 18:41.37 | tensai | this would all be a lot more hilarious if my network hadn't gotten hosed |
| 18:41.50 | elg | first physical in I can't remember how long |
| 18:42.09 | elg | not hosed enough, you're still here ;) |
| 18:42.23 | Supap|ex | lol |
| 18:42.51 | tensai | elg: actually my internet is through a different upstream. so *I* was on the net, but the company hq was not |
| 18:43.12 | elg | sounds like time for bzflag |
| 18:44.32 | Supap|ex | tensai nominates l3 as the permarabbit |
| 18:44.58 | tensai | you know, I've never played bzflag |
| 18:45.04 | tensai | not against anybody anyway |
| 18:45.54 | elg | well next time you have internet and your work don't, holler :) |
| 18:46.12 | elg | or just start a flamewar on plug and/or irc |
| 18:46.51 | Supap|ex | ;) |
| 18:47.04 | tensai | good luck getting a person |
| 18:47.26 | tensai | Supap|ex: so what's a permarabbit? |
| 18:47.30 | Supap|ex | "please drop the asn for tensai's work, thanks" |
| 18:47.49 | Supap|ex | like a rabbit, but we just keep killing it |
| 19:08.49 | levi | So, it turns out that this device I'm working with has a built-in ethernet switch between the on-chip ethernet and the world. |
| 19:10.24 | levi | This fact has caused me all sorts of grief and frustration because I wasn't aware of it. |
| 19:10.37 | levi | My LLDP packets were getting silently dropped, and I had no idea why. |
| 19:11.15 | levi | It's because MAC addresses in a certain range are specified to not be forwarded by layer 2 bridges. |
| 19:11.31 | levi | And the LLDP multicast address is within that range. |
| 19:11.40 | levi | AAAAAAAAAAAARGH!! |
| 19:13.32 | Supap|ex | eek |
| 19:16.51 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 19:19.41 | goozbach | "you have turned yourself into an evolutionary cul-de-sac" -- Jeff Douter |
| 19:24.04 | goozbach | what do you call a pothead which hangs out with a band? |
| 19:24.28 | goozbach | A: the drummer |
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| 19:45.53 | bonez39 | all wild drug use aside.....no one drumming can really be too messed up....and keep a consistent beat ... |
| 19:46.31 | sjansen | levi: fun :-) |
| 20:00.17 | dataw0lf | bonez39: think again. |
| 20:02.45 | bonez39 | dataw0lf: well, I have never been a pothead nor played in a band..but have lots of musical experience..... |
| 20:03.39 | TheTiGuR | Anyone interested in an odd windows question/problem? |
| 20:03.48 | dataw0lf | bonez39: I won't indict myself, but I suggest you look at pretty much any popular music from the 60s and 70s and that'll pretty much prove your theory wrong |
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| 20:32.44 | sontek | Hey, do you guys know how to print something thats in /var/spool/cups with lpr? |
| 20:33.53 | tensai | cat /var/spool/cups/file |lp ? |
| 20:35.37 | sontek | tensai: the files are binary |
| 20:37.53 | tensai | sontek: seems to me the real question is why isn't cups printing them? |
| 20:38.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.glumbert.com/media/atheistdelusion |
| 20:38.26 | sontek | tensai: cups is printing them, hes just not deleting them :P |
| 20:39.26 | elg | sontek: what does file say? |
| 20:39.29 | elg | that they are... |
| 20:40.10 | mrpull | are the permissions screwy? |
| 20:40.12 | sontek | c00792: PDP-11 UNIX/RT ldp |
| 20:40.22 | sontek | elg: ^ |
| 20:40.29 | elg | fun |
| 20:40.34 | elg | what kind of printer? |
| 20:40.42 | sontek | Rico Aficio 3800C |
| 20:44.37 | elg | never heard of rico, or aficio |
| 20:44.46 | elg | but ok. is it pcl? postscript? something proprietary? |
| 20:44.53 | bonez39 | anyone here have a fairly new HP color printer? my wife has a 2605dn....color laser... I ask only because we have had some trouble with refilling the toner cartridges......wondering if any others have had the same challenge...with recycling |
| 20:44.58 | elg | what I'm driving at is that it's probably the printer's native format |
| 20:45.11 | sontek | Its a beastly office printer, i'm using foomatic/postscript drivers |
| 20:45.30 | sontek | I tried just 'lpr filename' but that prints out the binary |
| 20:45.34 | elg | you can probably just lpr $file, but if that doesn't work, try cat $file > $printer_device |
| 20:45.58 | elg | if it's a postscript printer, the real question is why is cups rasterizing it to a funky binary format |
| 20:46.16 | elg | because it shouldn't be, anywhere in the process, if it's a postscript printer |
| 20:48.29 | beandog | does anybody know what tonights sllug meeting is on |
| 20:49.50 | jsmith | "How to pour salt on slugs" |
| 20:53.30 | herlo | beandog: I think it was being determined, but its going to be Lamont Peterson |
| 20:53.47 | herlo | beandog: there will also *probably* be a report on UTOSC... |
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| 20:55.52 | beandog | is there gonna be brownies? |
| 20:56.14 | sontek | elg: its a network printer |
| 20:57.48 | whiteley | levi: indeed. I joined #utah just to see what conversations might be happening WRT it. :) |
| 20:59.58 | ^Migs^ | good thing you did, because only INTELLIGENT conversation happens here |
| 20:59.59 | sontek | beandog: its going to be amazing whatever it is =) |
| 21:00.02 | ^Migs^ | earth-shattering discussion, really |
| 21:00.38 | elg | sontek: have you tried nc $printer_ip < foo.ps |
| 21:00.56 | beandog | Ive never been to one before, how many people generally attend |
| 21:00.57 | elg | and/or nc $printer_ip $port < $file |
| 21:01.00 | levi | I'm afraid smorrey must hate me. Most of my replies to him on PLUG are attempts to explain why he is wrong. |
| 21:01.03 | elg | sorry, you need the port on the first one too |
| 21:03.04 | sontek | elg: I just tried, I have never heard of nc =), but it just sent the binary data just like lpr did |
| 21:03.23 | sontek | elg: I have no idea why they are the binary data, because they are ps when we send them to the printer |
| 21:03.31 | sontek | or send them to cups I guess |
| 21:03.32 | elg | of course. the thing is that now we know the binary data has no meaning to your printer |
| 21:03.54 | elg | sontek: therein lies the mystery, for sure |
| 21:05.25 | sontek | elg: even when I do 'print test page' from cups it creates one of these files |
| 21:07.45 | elg | http://lists.apple.com/archives/Printing/2004/Feb/msg00058.html |
| 21:07.47 | brac | [Re: /var/spool/cups filling up] |
| 21:08.11 | elg | so, those aren't print jobs. they're job control files |
| 21:08.29 | elg | look at it with less (ignore the binary warning) and you'll see that |
| 21:08.32 | sontek | ahh, that makes sense |
| 21:11.05 | herlo | check this out: http://www.slickdeals.net/?permadeal=10282#direct_deal_10282 |
| 21:12.19 | mrpull | herlo: how does that compare with list price? |
| 21:13.25 | herlo | mrpull: unknown. I know that its brand new and when I bought my t60p (less than one month after release) it was $2800 |
| 21:13.50 | mrpull | it did seem like a good deal, but i didn't know how good a deal |
| 21:14.10 | herlo | yeah, I'd say it doesn't have everything I got, but it has *most* of what I got... |
| 21:15.56 | Jayce^ | findlay-w, familiar with http://www.classiccat.net/ |
| 21:15.58 | brac | [Classic Cat - the free classical music directory] |
| 21:22.29 | elg | so doctor lady says "i didn't want to hear this, but they're saying you have to excercise 1–1.5 hours a day now to lose weight", as if the laws of biology and physics have suddenly changed or something |
| 21:24.14 | bonez39 | elg: amazing how ignorant people are about such things.... |
| 21:24.30 | bonez39 | but then, if you watch Jay Leno...seems lots of folks are rather stupid about many things... |
| 21:24.40 | bonez39 | jaywalking......etc.. |
| 21:24.44 | ^Migs^ | u sayin Jay Leno's stupid? |
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| 21:24.54 | bonez39 | no way, I like Jay...but the folks he talks to... |
| 21:25.01 | ^Migs^ | I really don't think he shows EVERYONE he talks to |
| 21:25.04 | bonez39 | the idiots on the sidewalk..when he interviews them |
| 21:25.16 | ^Migs^ | for all we know, he only shows 5% of the people he talks to, because 95% of the people are geniuses |
| 21:25.28 | bonez39 | I am sure he has some who really do know the answers..but that wouldn't be fun, would it...it's more hilarious to see the idiot parade |
| 21:25.37 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 21:25.40 | ^Migs^ | I bet he has TONS who know the answers |
| 21:25.40 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: I doubt the ratio there |
| 21:26.12 | ^Migs^ | sometimes his questions are hard. Current event questions, for example, I often don't know |
| 21:26.28 | ^Migs^ | like, who people are when he shows pictures |
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| 21:27.12 | bonez39 | oh, yeah....but then...I know that lots of people never read the paper or watch the news...... compared with the few who devour every possible information outlet..... |
| 21:27.32 | ^Migs^ | the only news I get is from my iGoogle page |
| 21:27.42 | ^Migs^ | and we don't get the newspaper |
| 21:27.48 | bonez39 | well, I bet you are more informed than most.... |
| 21:28.00 | ^Migs^ | mainly because our city doesn't give us a recycling bin |
| 21:28.11 | ^Migs^ | I don't want to just throw away all that newspaper, which most of the time I won't even read |
| 21:28.41 | bonez39 | oh, in Utah we don't recycle much...it's just an afterthought.... |
| 21:29.05 | ^Migs^ | then sometimes he asks history questions, like around the 4th of July, and I usually know those but even still I don't think that's particularly fair. U.S. history isn't particularly relevant to MOST people's lives. |
| 21:29.12 | elg | recycling is almost always a waste |
| 21:30.28 | elg | anyone take issue with this? n! = o(2^(2^n)) |
| 21:34.38 | bonez39 | elg: I have lived in CA..where they get serious about it..I haven't reviewed CA's books, but I bet they do it better than here in Zion....or Europe...they are really serious about it...thy have it down to a science...and they are healthier there too |
| 21:35.00 | elg | and nuttier |
| 21:35.37 | bonez39 | ^Migs^: you can bet that if I moved to Germany or China or Russia..I'd get a few books, including history books...and I would read up and study about where I am living...just makes life easier and more understandable... |
| 21:35.39 | elg | recycling takes transportation, energy, has inefficiencies, etc. in dense places it might break even and maybe even be a bit better |
| 21:35.40 | beandog | elg, what do you mean? |
| 21:35.44 | beandog | Utah needs more holistic dentists. |
| 21:35.51 | bonez39 | I think we all would take such a closer interest..but i know many don't care... |
| 21:35.55 | elg | oh, well, maybe californians aren't nuttier than utahns |
| 21:35.58 | elg | but they're pretty nutty :) |
| 21:36.21 | bonez39 | elg: CA has the nuts and flakes and fruits too..it's a bowl 'o granola....! |
| 21:36.30 | tensai | beandog: why would I want more holes in my teeth? |
| 21:36.32 | bonez39 | holistic dentists? |
| 21:36.36 | elg | i think reuse (vs recycling) and not wasting stuff in the first place is a much better policy |
| 21:36.59 | beandog | ~wikipedia holistry |
| 21:37.08 | beandog | ~wikipedia holistic |
| 21:37.25 | beandog | meh |
| 21:37.25 | sontek | elg: I like recycling because then I don't have to worry about how much I waste ;) |
| 21:37.42 | bonez39 | elg: clearly....use it up, repair it....make it work as long as it can....just look at those folks in Cuba..they are driving cars....hundreds of thousands of miles..I bet many cars there have over a million miles..... cause they HAVE to make them work..they have no other choice |
| 21:46.31 | tensai | elg: there are other factors, such as the size of landfills. obviously reuse is good but not everything can be reused. |
| 21:46.57 | tensai | on a related note, my compost pile is actually composting. it's pretty sweet. I wondered if it would work and it did. |
| 21:47.01 | bonez39 | tensai: what's an example of something unrecyclable? |
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| 21:54.56 | tensai | bonez39: I said that not everything is reusable. toilet paper for one. that one is best composted. |
| 21:55.27 | tensai | newspaper is useful for a lot of things, but not everybody can use a huge stack of it. so recycyling would be good for them. |
| 21:55.34 | Newsome | fine by me, but _you_ be the one to recover the used toilet paper |
| 21:58.08 | tensai | I saw something on pbs the other week where some hippies in SFO were doing just that, using a composting toilet |
| 21:58.37 | tensai | generally they don't recommend you compost waste from any meat eating animals because if you do it wrong, you could kill somebody |
| 22:02.20 | bonez39 | tensai: clearly.... |
| 22:11.39 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:11.45 | beandog | v |
| 22:12.42 | beandog | wow, that actually worked |
| 22:12.43 | beandog | wootsie. |
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| 22:23.40 | orbit | Anybody experiencing lotsa packet loss at the moment? |
| 22:24.45 | mrpull | orbit:nt tha i hve noticd |
| 22:26.01 | tensai | orbit: have you tried a traceroute? |
| 22:27.40 | orbit | Several. |
| 22:28.44 | orbit | I'm seeing it from a number of locations so was just wondering if it was local to us, or broader in scope |
| 22:29.15 | orbit | tensai: Could you see what kind of packet loss you get to www.bennyz.com? |
| 22:30.23 | tensai | 19 packets transmitted, 10 received, 47% packet loss, time 18000ms |
| 22:30.59 | tensai | 10 unitedonline.ge2-5.br01.lax01.pccwbtn.net (63.218.25.14) 109.727 ms 109.033 ms 109.523 ms |
| 22:30.59 | tensai | 11 ve113.r1.bu3.lax.untd.com (64.136.1.171) 110.155 ms 109.744 ms 108.873 ms |
| 22:30.59 | tensai | 12 * * * |
| 22:31.56 | orbit | ok. |
| 22:31.58 | orbit | Thanks |
| 22:33.00 | beandog | Ok |
| 22:33.04 | beandog | I just found something coola bout mythtv |
| 22:37.04 | beandog | mythrename.pl |
| 22:37.19 | beandog | Ill write about it laters |
| 22:37.36 | sjansen | Looks like SCOX is having a good day. The stock went up 25%. |
| 22:37.40 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 22:37.44 | sjansen | ;-) |
| 22:38.52 | sjansen | Open at 0.29? Geez, who pays twice the closing value of a doomed stock? |
| 22:41.13 | bonez39 | twenty nice cents? |
| 22:41.41 | bonez39 | up 4 pennys? er...4.1 pennies? |
| 22:43.54 | SorenStoutner | orbit: I got a lot of packet loss to bennyz.com but I could ping other sites just fine. |
| 22:44.31 | goozbach | sjansen: did you buy a lot tof sco stock? |
| 22:44.39 | SorenStoutner | orbit: I'm located in Salt Lake connected through xmission. |
| 22:45.17 | orbit | Yeah, I'm seeing about 38% loss from Xmission at the last hop. |
| 22:45.25 | orbit | mtr is a cool tool btw... |
| 22:46.06 | orbit | sjansen: I imagine there are folks out there who see buying sco as some kind of bargain at the moment. |
| 22:46.29 | orbit | Betting on the possibility of sco riding all this out and ending up a few dollars higher or something. |
| 22:46.31 | sjansen | you'd have to be pretty stupid to think it's a steal |
| 22:46.37 | sjansen | it's a gamble |
| 22:46.45 | orbit | As is all stock market investing :-) |
| 22:46.58 | goozbach | i want pizzia |
| 22:47.10 | sjansen | _If_ they survive bankruptcy and the court case they still have to create a product people actually want. |
| 22:47.24 | orbit | Does McDonalds still run SCO? |
| 22:47.36 | sjansen | ~feed goozbach |
| 22:47.36 | ibot | ACTION offers goozbach some toe-jam |
| 22:47.43 | goozbach | AND sell it |
| 22:48.00 | goozbach | and make a profit |
| 22:49.22 | SorenStoutner | The only way they can survive is if Microsoft takes over their marketing department. |
| 22:49.33 | SorenStoutner | Microsoft could sell most people a dead horse. |
| 22:49.44 | SorenStoutner | (They do every day) :) |
| 22:50.44 | sontek | They also sell lots of good products |
| 22:51.03 | sontek | SQL Server, Visual Studio, Office, .NET, tec. |
| 22:51.04 | sjansen | okayish products that survived long enough people forgot there were better |
| 22:51.06 | sontek | tec = etc. |
| 22:51.44 | orbit | http://www.internetnews.com/commentary/article.php/36950563695056 |
| 22:51.47 | tensai | I would eat dead horse |
| 22:51.54 | tensai | live horse, no |
| 22:51.56 | sontek | sjansen: with the exception to .net, all of those products are better than their open source equivalent |
| 22:51.57 | orbit | McDonalds has an interest in keeping SCO around. |
| 22:52.06 | tensai | I hear that horse sushi is popular |
| 22:52.11 | orbit | And as long as such customers remain around, SCO will probably still be kicking. |
| 22:52.15 | sjansen | sontek: Who said we have to limit ourselves to OSS? |
| 22:52.28 | sontek | sjansen: ok, what product(s) beat those? =) |
| 22:52.34 | sjansen | SQL Server < Oracle |
| 22:52.44 | Jayce^ | orbit, doesn't display anything for me |
| 22:52.50 | beandog | sql server sucks big time. |
| 22:52.56 | tensai | SQL Server < large stack of 3x5 index cards |
| 22:52.59 | sjansen | Visual Studio (okay, I'll grant it's some fantastic crack) |
| 22:53.08 | orbit | http://www.internetnews.com/commentary/article.php/3695056 |
| 22:53.08 | beandog | lol tensai |
| 22:53.10 | sontek | sjansen: I prefer SQL Server, but I think that competition is more of a preference thing than an actual one is better than the other |
| 22:53.10 | brac | [Whither SCO?] |
| 22:53.11 | orbit | ok, try that. |
| 22:53.18 | sjansen | Office < Word Perfect (back when they had market share) |
| 22:53.23 | sontek | tensai: you've obviously never used SQL Server =) |
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| 22:53.39 | tensai | sontek: au contraire. I get to use it only too much. |
| 22:53.47 | sontek | sjansen: I remember word perfect sucking, but if I remember correctly, office did suck more back then :p |
| 22:53.58 | beandog | I miss WordPerfect for DOS |
| 22:54.03 | beandog | lets go back to the good ol days |
| 22:54.26 | sontek | but then we wont have clipart! |
| 22:54.33 | sontek | The world wouldn't survive without clipart |
| 22:54.52 | sontek | tensai: are you using it wrong? :P |
| 22:55.08 | sontek | tensai: you can't hate on SQL Server for someones poor database design |
| 22:55.25 | beandog | If you use WordPerfect for DOS, you almost certainly should not buy a Windows Vista computer and you almost certainly should not upgrade your computer to Windows Vista. |
| 22:55.31 | beandog | http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/ |
| 22:55.33 | brac | [WordPerfect for DOS Updated] |
| 22:55.36 | sjansen | You can hate on SQL Server for not being reliable enough to run for more than 24 hours under load. |
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| 22:57.09 | sjansen | You can also hate on SQL Server for only running on a single platform. |
| 22:57.14 | goozbach | or filling a drive with 1.3 GB of transaction logs in just under 3 hours |
| 22:59.12 | orbit | goozbach: I'd think any transactional db would do that if you pushed enough changes at it... |
| 22:59.56 | beandog | I save time *and* cpu by not logging at all1 |
| 23:00.00 | beandog | !!zonee |
| 23:00.01 | UtahBot | beandog: Error: "!zonee" is not a valid command. |
| 23:00.01 | beandog | :) |
| 23:00.05 | beandog | buh |
| 23:00.14 | goozbach | orbit: it shouldnt do that if there is only 700M of disk |
| 23:00.30 | SorenStoutner | Or because everytime you think about needing an upgrade you hear a sucking sound as Microsoft empties the contents of your wallet, your boss's wallet, and anyone else's wallet who happens to be unlicky enough to be standing outside your building. |
| 23:00.47 | SorenStoutner | unlicky -> unlucky |
| 23:01.21 | goozbach | SorenStoutner: try tmis |
| 23:01.39 | goozbach | s/tmis/this/ |
| 23:01.46 | goozbach | :) |
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| 23:02.24 | SorenStoutner | unlicky/tmis/unlucky |
| 23:02.29 | SorenStoutner | Is that right? |
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| 23:03.41 | SorenStoutner | unlicky/tmis/unlucky/ |
| 23:03.53 | goozbach | no it is usming the vim substitute |
| 23:04.09 | goozbach | s/usming/using/ |
| 23:04.19 | goozbach | like i just did |
| 23:04.36 | SorenStoutner | s/unlicky/unlucky |
| 23:04.44 | SorenStoutner | s/unlicky/unlucky/ |
| 23:05.06 | SorenStoutner | This is how to corrct. |
| 23:05.14 | SorenStoutner | s/corrct/correct/ |
| 23:05.21 | SorenStoutner | Got it. Thanks. |
| 23:05.25 | goozbach | the letter s followed by a slash followed by your search string followed by another slash ... |
| 23:08.01 | beandog | http://movingparts.net/2007/09/19/kde-computer-case-badges/ |
| 23:08.02 | beandog | thas cool |
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| 23:34.18 | atoponce | levi: i think your computer clock is 34min slow |
| 23:34.28 | calvarez | hello |
| 23:35.34 | levi | atoponce: Yes, it's runnning in a virtual machine, and it tends to get off. Sorry about that... |
| 23:35.43 | atoponce | levi: np |
| 23:35.47 | atoponce | just fyi |
| 23:36.07 | Tene | ntp++ |
| 23:36.08 | Tene | ~ntp |
| 23:36.09 | ibot | ntp is probably Network Time Protocol, and a public NTP server is pool.ntp.org |
| 23:36.52 | levi | Tene: I have ntp running. This 'drift' is too much for it to handle. |
| 23:37.23 | levi | There is some vmware utility or something that can fix this, but at some point it stopped working and I don't recall what I did to get it working in the first place. |
| 23:37.25 | Tene | levi: set a cron job to explicitly run ntpdate |
| 23:37.29 | Tene | obviously |
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| 23:39.13 | levi | The ntpdate crontab is not a great solution either, IIRC. |
| 23:39.28 | Tene | No, it's really not. It wasn't a serious suggestion. |
| 23:40.14 | levi | Last time I started playing with the vmware tool install script, it killed my network connection. |
| 23:40.24 | levi | So I'm not going to play with it until I'm at the console. :) |
| 23:55.09 | levi | Hrm, that's why I don't have them installed. The source for the required kernel modules that I have won't compile. |
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