| 00:00.03 | sinuhe | Once you have it booting, you can add that to menu.lst. |
| 00:00.17 | findlay | mheath: xubuntu |
| 00:00.33 | mheath | bah, if you said Slackware I would have told you it'd be easy... |
| 00:00.49 | mheath | slackwares packages and tools are simple for installing to specific directories/mountpoints.. |
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| 00:03.32 | sinuhe | Yes, Slackware's nice and generic. |
| 00:06.59 | sinuhe | Regarding the HD numbering, your 0,0 is probably going to be the number for the drive. |
| 00:07.06 | sinuhe | s/your// |
| 00:07.27 | sinuhe | (Thinking of laptop with one HDD and one CD/DVD.) |
| 00:08.01 | sinuhe | On your desktop host, 2,0 sounds probable. |
| 00:08.38 | sinuhe | I think that was your original question, anyway. |
| 00:10.06 | mheath | GRUB configuration isn't critical |
| 00:10.14 | mheath | Grub has an intuitive interactive prompt |
| 00:10.21 | mheath | Something doesn't work, go to the prompt and fix it |
| 00:11.18 | goozbach | try looking at /boo/grub/device.map |
| 00:11.22 | goozbach | if it exists |
| 00:11.44 | sinuhe | s/boo/boot/ |
| 00:12.14 | goozbach | s/boo/boot/ |
| 00:13.22 | sinuhe | I'm officially checking out. Too much crack for me. When that happens, I start to waffle, and I get confusing. See yous later. |
| 00:47.39 | Lakshmi | if sargun comes back will someone please tell him to txt me |
| 00:47.41 | Lakshmi | ty |
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| 01:03.03 | findlay | so I've put the hard drive back into laptop A |
| 01:03.35 | findlay | it booted grub (ye-haw!) but doesn't boot the kernel |
| 01:03.46 | findlay | I'd almost rather put gentoo on this thing |
| 01:03.54 | findlay | it would be easier to install |
| 01:05.03 | findlay | so I'm going to try to fix it with desktop C |
| 01:09.34 | mheath | findlay: question.....does the laptop have a serial port/ |
| 01:11.03 | findlay | perhaps |
| 01:11.07 | findlay | what does it look like? |
| 01:11.16 | mheath | .... |
| 01:11.50 | findlay | you don't know? |
| 01:11.58 | findlay | well, I don't know either :) |
| 01:13.07 | findlay | -chat about ~onjoin Sargun |
| 01:13.07 | brac | ~onjoin Sargun <Tene> Whenever Sargun agrees with me! |
| 01:13.07 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 01:13.33 | findlay | -chat about ~onjoin findlay |
| 01:13.33 | brac | ~onjoin findlay -chat about ~onjoin harleypig |
| 01:13.33 | ibot | brac: ok |
| 01:14.35 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 01:14.39 | dataw0lf | just |
| 01:14.40 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 01:14.46 | dataw0lf | http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vdGhpbmtwcm9ncmVzcy5vcmcvMjAwNy8wNy8xMi9jaHJpc3RpYW4tcmlnaHQtZGlzcnVwdHMtZmlyc3QtaGluZHUtcHJheWVyLWluLXRoZS1zZW5hdGUv |
| 01:14.59 | findlay | where'd you dig up that URL? |
| 01:15.05 | dataw0lf | sorry |
| 01:15.10 | dataw0lf | http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/12/christian-right-disrupts-first-hindu-prayer-in-the-senate/ |
| 01:15.20 | dataw0lf | there we go |
| 01:15.32 | findlay | your first one was more random |
| 01:15.53 | mheath | Are people really this dumb? |
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| 03:09.21 | levi_home | Good evening. |
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| 03:42.00 | mheath | Evening levi_home |
| 03:42.05 | mheath | ~lart retarded players on WoW |
| 03:42.05 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack retarded players on WoW |
| 03:55.23 | mheath | Anyone here ever read the OSC short story "Eye for Eye"? |
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| 05:24.30 | mheath | even more excited, though, about transfering to UoU in the future |
| 05:24.45 | mheath | Good CS program, good Nuclear program |
| 05:32.19 | mheath | So, whats so cool about this: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510054502,00.html |
| 05:32.21 | brac | [deseretnews.com | Fun with fusion: Freshman's nuclear fusion reactor has USU physics faculty in awe] |
| 05:32.32 | mheath | Stumbled on that looking at nuclear science stuff in Utah |
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| 05:32.59 | mheath | The only thing I find cool about it is that it was build by piecing together cheap things / junk |
| 05:33.23 | mheath | They make it sound like its something he invented, or like he made some big contribution to science inventing it. |
| 05:34.54 | mheath | It also implies he's running a vacuum off of it |
| 05:35.09 | mheath | "The reactor sat on a table with an attached vacuum pump wheezing away." |
| 05:35.26 | mheath | I have yet to see any nanowatt vacuum pumps |
| 05:39.58 | levi_home | I think I'm going to try installing asterisk on my old laptop. That can be its new purpose in life, if it runs it okay. |
| 05:40.34 | mheath | levi_home: whats the point of it, though? |
| 05:40.42 | mheath | (why not give the laptop to me? :P) |
| 05:40.54 | mheath | Seriously, though, if it works OK, I am looking for a used, cheap computer |
| 05:44.06 | levi_home | Because I'm considering using VoIP as my primary phone service, and I'd want a dedicated asterisk machine. |
| 05:44.06 | mheath | but a laptop? |
| 05:44.06 | levi_home | This is a Sony C1VN. |
| 05:44.49 | mheath | I'd trade you a desktop for the laptop :P |
| 05:45.03 | mheath | More appropriate for a server |
| 05:45.04 | levi_home | It's really old, has a Transmeta Crusoe processor, not a full-size keyboard, and the battery is dead dead dead and may have been killed prematurely by a bad connector in the laptop. |
| 05:45.28 | levi_home | No, the point would be low power consumption for long life on a UPS. |
| 05:45.31 | mheath | ah |
| 05:46.14 | levi_home | I have a server-class machine for doing other server stuff. |
| 05:46.23 | mheath | I need a UPS =\ |
| 05:46.26 | mheath | Our old UPS died on us |
| 05:46.56 | mheath | I wish electronics companies still give schematics and such, like they used to way back when |
| 05:47.03 | mheath | I could troubleshoot it and fix it, then |
| 05:47.20 | levi_home | The laptop apparently has a 600mhz processor, but its performance varies. |
| 05:48.41 | mheath | Mathematics (through partial differential equations), Basic Engineering Physics, College Chemistry, Computer Programming, Electrical Engineering, Engineering Materials and Processes, Basic Engineering Thermodynamics, Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer |
| 05:48.43 | levi_home | Performance is supposedly slower than than a PII-400. |
| 05:48.45 | mheath | Ouch, thats a scary list |
| 05:48.56 | mheath | My spare desktop has a PIII-450 |
| 05:49.33 | mheath | thats a list of stuff I have to demonstrate competency in to get matriculated to a particular program..... |
| 05:52.04 | levi_home | This laptop would likely not be particularly useful to you, then. |
| 05:52.51 | mheath | levi_home: well, with the dead battery, no |
| 05:53.05 | mheath | I'm trying to put together a decent computer my sister-in-law can use for college |
| 05:53.09 | mheath | Just for typing papers |
| 05:53.45 | mheath | that desktop would work, but I don't have a monitor for it :P |
| 05:54.02 | mheath | levi_home: what university are you going to? Or are you done with college? |
| 05:59.03 | mheath | Cool |
| 05:59.03 | mheath | "Students who have an associate of arts or associate of science degree or have completed the general education program at another Utah state-supported institution of higher education are considered to have satisfied the University of Utahs general education requirements." |
| 05:59.03 | mheath | I think what I'll do is I'll stay at weber for two years, long enough to get my Associate of Science in General Studies |
| 05:59.03 | mheath | That way once I transfer, I can focus entirely on my major... |
| 05:59.30 | levi_home | mheath: I'm going to UVSC/UVU |
| 05:59.51 | mheath | (and, as an added benefit, I don't have to take stupid foreign language classes) |
| 05:59.59 | levi_home | mheath: Primarily because they offer pretty much all CS classes at night. |
| 06:00.16 | mheath | They're required for UoU's general ed, but not required for a associates in general studies at WSU |
| 06:00.29 | mheath | Associate of General Studies is completely worthless except for transfering with, I've realized |
| 06:00.46 | mheath | My sister as an associates in general studies and she works on the assembly line in a cookie manufacturing plant. |
| 06:02.35 | mheath | I got my Debian GNU/Hurd system up and running |
| 06:03.00 | mheath | One of the main Hurd developers said he'd like that. So he can run subversion.. |
| 06:10.48 | cbrown | herlo, are you here? |
| 06:11.01 | Supaplex | apr? |
| 06:11.19 | mheath | Supaplex: Apache Portable Runtime |
| 06:11.25 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 06:11.35 | Supaplex | you don't need http for svn :) |
| 06:11.51 | mheath | apparently it currently compiles but fails its test suite |
| 06:11.53 | mheath | Supaplex: OK? |
| 06:12.00 | Supaplex | I use svn+ssh:// |
| 06:12.23 | sontek | cbrown: herlo is taking a nap, hes been working hard lately on UTOS :P |
| 06:12.38 | cbrown | ok. |
| 06:12.54 | cbrown | He apparently had been asking about UTAUG earlier this evening. |
| 06:13.20 | sontek | cbrown: yeah, He was wondering who the president was |
| 06:13.33 | mheath | UTAUG? |
| 06:13.42 | cbrown | It's sorta, kinda, Eliott Spencer... aka PimpSpiffy in #utaug. |
| 06:13.43 | sontek | asterisks user group |
| 06:13.47 | cbrown | Utah Asterisk Users Group |
| 06:13.50 | mheath | ah |
| 06:14.55 | mheath | hmm |
| 06:15.02 | mheath | windows killed my CD-RW. |
| 06:15.13 | cbrown | Sounds like a country song. |
| 06:17.09 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:17.32 | sontek | PEBCAK |
| 06:17.50 | mheath | Uh, no |
| 06:18.10 | mheath | windows forced a 4X-max mini CD-ROM drive into a really fast write mode |
| 06:18.15 | mheath | completely jacked it up |
| 06:18.33 | Supaplex | pity |
| 06:18.51 | sontek | thats because windows stopped living in the 80s, who using 4x anymore? |
| 06:19.17 | sontek | :D |
| 06:27.58 | mheath | Uh |
| 06:28.06 | mheath | It's a mini CD-ROm |
| 06:28.20 | mheath | I believe the write speed is kept low to prevent the thing from flying off the CD tray |
| 06:30.14 | Supaplex | ~lart windows for busticating mheath's drive |
| 06:30.14 | ibot | gives windows an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending windows to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for busticating mheath's drive |
| 06:33.44 | Supaplex | that'll teach it |
| 06:47.25 | mheath | So |
| 06:47.43 | mheath | Google seems to have gotten rid of some fo the old UseNet articles it made such a big deal of acquiring a while back |
| 06:48.14 | mheath | http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html |
| 06:48.15 | brac | [20 Year Archive on Google Groups] |
| 06:48.21 | mheath | First 19 links don't work anymoer |
| 06:48.30 | mheath | hmm |
| 06:48.35 | mheath | actually, more than that don't work |
| 06:50.46 | klys | is there a free news server that archives them and allows posting you know of? |
| 06:51.12 | mheath | No.... |
| 06:51.53 | klys | actually I might have posting access through a free news server I found last month. is there a news server that archives them anyway read-only you know of? |
| 06:53.13 | klys | news is a mess but it's the best someone should make it more hierarchical and integrate collaborative text editing and irc. |
| 07:36.59 | mheath | uh wow |
| 07:37.01 | mheath | time to go to sleep |
| 07:37.25 | mheath | When the TV is playing early 1990's infomercials for enemas...yeah. |
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| 12:00.18 | Lakshmi | hey |
| 12:03.42 | klys | hey man |
| 12:05.32 | Lakshmi | man? |
| 12:05.34 | Lakshmi | ... |
| 12:05.36 | Lakshmi | sup? |
| 12:06.20 | klys | well I've been going through old code |
| 12:06.29 | klys | 'sup wit' you? |
| 12:08.16 | klys | I was just talking with a guy who was trying to load fusion.ko |
| 12:08.17 | Lakshmi | i need to entertain myself for the nxt 1.5 hours |
| 12:08.35 | Lakshmi | so i dont miss an early morning appointment |
| 12:08.38 | klys | do you wave win32, mac, or linux? |
| 12:08.48 | Lakshmi | i wave? |
| 12:09.15 | Lakshmi | i have windows.... |
| 12:09.17 | klys | ok |
| 12:09.35 | klys | do you have cygwin? |
| 12:10.46 | klys | I could recommend a game, but you would probably be bored |
| 12:11.32 | Lakshmi | uh to answer your first question.. i dont think i do |
| 12:11.35 | Lakshmi | ... what game? |
| 12:11.39 | klys | BRIX |
| 12:12.27 | Lakshmi | and what does this game do? |
| 12:12.54 | klys | it is a brick matching puzzle sequence, which offers some choice for advancement |
| 12:15.11 | Lakshmi | can i play |
| 12:16.02 | klys | well, look for "epic megagames" ...it's for dos. |
| 12:16.18 | Lakshmi | ok will do |
| 12:16.37 | Lakshmi | only 45 more mins.. and then can spend 30 waiting |
| 12:16.44 | Lakshmi | 20 talking |
| 12:16.53 | Lakshmi | or some part of that getting ready |
| 12:17.01 | Lakshmi | and then leave at 7:30 |
| 12:17.04 | Lakshmi | deal! |
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| 14:38.38 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 14:38.39 | ibot | judo chops zzzirk |
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| 15:16.20 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 15:26.12 | tristanbob | anyone here running gutsy? |
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| 15:42.38 | sjansen | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/12/colored_sand_unmixes.html |
| 15:43.15 | elg | oh my, apple bought cups |
| 15:44.17 | elg | I'm not sure what to think about that. cups on osx is broken in subtle ways (ever try printing landscape on a remote cups server from osx?). does this mean they'll get it right, or will the whole of cups start breaking in subtle ways? |
| 15:44.40 | elg | more likely life will go on as usual and cups in osx will work a little better. but that's boring |
| 15:45.13 | goozbach | I think I want to invest in a milk steamer |
| 15:45.23 | goozbach | it makes some killer hot choloate |
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| 15:46.32 | levi | elg: I agree with your assessment of what's likely. |
| 15:46.49 | levi | elg: So, I am strongly considering diving into the world of Asterisk and voip. |
| 15:47.03 | jsmith | levi: Awesome! |
| 15:47.41 | elg | neato |
| 15:48.11 | sjansen | Linux printing is doomed now! Apple will switch to AAPL with anti-GPL3 addition and Microsoft will rule the world as a result! |
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| 15:48.24 | jsmith | elg: See... first we take over #utah, and then the world... |
| 15:49.03 | sjansen | jsmith: You'll have to defeat GL first! |
| 15:49.16 | sjansen | (Did I mention we're hiring? ;-) |
| 15:49.26 | jsmith | sjansen: Naw... just gotta get Dax to finish his Asterisk system ;-) |
| 15:49.58 | jsmith | sjansen: Yeah, and did I mention I've already got a great job? I'd work for GL in a heartbeat, but I couldn't do that much travel. I do enough as it is. |
| 15:50.59 | goozbach | I really want to come back to work with GL, but I don't want to travel any more |
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| 16:00.35 | thaddeusq | goozbach: Come on the travel is great. You get to eat at great restaurants, see neato sites (like NJ), etc. |
| 16:00.35 | jsmith | Travel is OK... training is great. The sites are mostly boring. That's all fine and dandy, but any more than about one week a month and I get grump and my family gets grumpy and it's no fun. |
| 16:00.35 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 16:00.35 | elg | sjansen's doomsday prophecies don't scare me |
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| 16:00.46 | levi | Hmm, apparently my Picturebook cmos battery is dead. :( |
| 16:00.52 | thaddeusq | jsmith: Agreed. That's actually a big reason why I'm leaving GL. That and the benefits. |
| 16:01.06 | elg | printing in linux traditionally has nowhere to go but up. though we have made some progress with cups, so I suppose there is potential energy that could be converted to kinetic |
| 16:01.14 | rsimpkins | I'm going to rename all of my computers after characters from Voltron. |
| 16:01.19 | elg | you get benefits for leaving GL? |
| 16:01.37 | sjansen | elg: Some would view not working with me as a benefit. |
| 16:01.54 | sjansen | I think they're wrong. Dangerously wrong, as thaddeusq will soon be learning. |
| 16:02.02 | elg | but how much do they really have to put up with you, being scattered across the country/globe all the time |
| 16:02.30 | sjansen | Now that we're not going to be co-workers, I can demand that he lend me money. Maybe date his daughters if he has any old enough. |
| 16:02.37 | thaddeusq | I didn't see sjansen the entire month of June. |
| 16:02.46 | elg | idyllic |
| 16:02.58 | elg | sjansen: how old is old enough? 10? |
| 16:03.10 | elg | 40? |
| 16:03.11 | sjansen | And of course I'm going to start missing him, so I'll stop by to visit all hours of the day and night. |
| 16:03.32 | elg | sjansen hs gps |
| 16:03.36 | elg | has gps even |
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| 16:03.50 | elg | doh. now the order is all messed up. |
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| 16:04.09 | sjansen | ~reorder elg |
| 16:05.13 | thaddeusq | elg: having a large family makes health, dental, and vision insurance at a good price a huge benefit. Unfortunately that's not available at GL. |
| 16:07.24 | sjansen | What thaddeusq is trying to say, is that after 4 children the insurance companies notice a pattern and start to demand odd numbered children as payment. |
| 16:32.57 | Tene | -lart sjansen |
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| 16:47.27 | QBFreak | we need a new sound effects guy? |
| 16:47.29 | levi | So, what are the tradeoffs with a SIP vs IAX trunk? |
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| 17:06.24 | elg | levi: sip trunk? |
| 17:06.24 | levi | Maybe I'm getting the terminology wrong. |
| 17:06.24 | levi | One can connect an Asterisk server to a VoIP provider via SIP, right? |
| 17:06.24 | elg | an iax trunk is where you get a bunch of iax sessions and pull them all together so you send the packets for each session all in one tcp/ip packet thus saving header space |
| 17:06.24 | elg | so you're asking for a comparison of sip and iax? |
| 17:06.24 | levi | I thought a trunk was a line to the outside world. |
| 17:06.25 | levi | http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_trunk.html |
| 17:06.25 | brac | [Definition: trunk] |
| 17:06.30 | elg | I think trunks usually carry multiple channels of some sort |
| 17:06.30 | elg | so like a T1, etc. I'm kinda hazy on that, you'd want to ask jsmith-lunch |
| 17:06.30 | elg | or someone in #utaug might know |
| 17:06.30 | jsmith-lunch | elg: The term "trunk" gets overloaded |
| 17:06.30 | levi | Well, anyway. I understand that Asterisk can do both SIP and IAX, and some local providers offer both. |
| 17:06.30 | jsmith-lunch | elg: In traditional telecom speak, a "trunk" is a connection to the outside world |
| 17:06.30 | jsmith-lunch | IAX trunk*ing* is something else |
| 17:06.31 | elg | anyway, to compare sip and iax. sip is your standard "simplified" RFC-track protocol that's still overly complicated, and iax is a pragmatic truly-simple protocol. sip has issues with nat because of its disconnect between session initiation and the actual data |
| 17:06.32 | elg | iax is one port, so easier to punch through nat |
| 17:06.32 | jsmith-lunch | Much easier... |
| 17:06.32 | elg | but sip is ubiquitous, especially with hardware devices, and iax is only really used in asterisk |
| 17:06.32 | elg | oh he left. drat |
| 17:06.33 | levi | Does it cause any difficulties to use SIP on my LAN and IAX for the trunk? |
| 17:06.33 | jsmith | Who left? |
| 17:06.33 | levi | sjansen |
| 17:06.33 | jsmith | levi: Nope. |
| 17:06.33 | fozzmoo | levi: It's actually kinda smart... since SIP doesn't work so well across NATs. :) |
| 17:06.33 | levi | I'm strongly considering Arrivaltel, though their website makes me a little nervous. I understand they provide both IAX and SIP service? |
| 17:06.33 | jsmith | levi: They're great to work with |
| 17:06.33 | jsmith | levi: They're geeks, not website designers |
| 17:06.33 | levi | That's what I gathered from looking at the UTAUG group list and their participation there. |
| 17:06.33 | levi | I also have to figure out whether I want to go with DSL or Cable. |
| 17:06.33 | levi | Anyone know how much extra over the advertised cost you end up paying to Qwest for a bare DSL line? |
| 17:06.33 | levi | (in taxes, fees, etc.) |
| 17:06.35 | fozzmoo | It's not too much. Maybe $6, max |
| 17:06.35 | levi | OK, that's not too bad. |
| 17:06.35 | fozzmoo | I had it for a while and I wasn't shocked and awed. |
| 17:06.35 | fozzmoo | with the fees, that is. |
| 17:06.35 | levi | Figuring out their pricing online is difficult. They don't have a clear option for bare dsl with your own ISP. |
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| 17:07.24 | mheath | Morning |
| 17:07.41 | levi | Sadly, going with their standard ISP seems to be only $4 more than the bare line. Xmission support and service is probably worth the extra $18, but it makes me have to think about it. |
| 17:12.00 | fozzmoo | If you don't need an XM e-mail address, you might be able to get their $12/mo account. |
| 17:15.09 | findlay | it's insidious how providers bundle an isp |
| 17:17.42 | fozzmoo | What's more insidious is what comcast does. |
| 17:18.04 | fozzmoo | Or doesn't do, really. |
| 17:18.14 | beandog | whats that |
| 17:18.24 | fozzmoo | No choice whatsoever. |
| 17:18.39 | beandog | the only thing I hate about comcast is the high price |
| 17:18.51 | findlay | I've heard stories about their terms of service too |
| 17:19.01 | beandog | $55 is the cheapest a month I can get for internet + tv |
| 17:19.06 | fozzmoo | Don't forget their unwillingness to admit any technical problems for at least 12 hours. |
| 17:19.13 | s4founder | speaking of comcast |
| 17:19.43 | findlay | I would never want to buy service from a provider who thinks that hosting a server is grounds for them to unilaterally terminate my service with no recourse |
| 17:19.47 | s4founder | anybody have experience configuring a surfboard modem to add a wireless access point to a comcast home connection? |
| 17:20.11 | findlay | or who is vague about their 'unlimited' limits and simmilarly unilateral |
| 17:20.12 | beandog | findlay: neither would I, but when it comes to that or take a connection that is 90% slower, Ill go with em. |
| 17:20.19 | fozzmoo | Better yet, has anyone tried their surfboard in the water? :) |
| 17:20.23 | s4founder | :) |
| 17:20.25 | beandog | heh |
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| 17:21.13 | findlay | beandog: I think I'd probably go with 90% slower |
| 17:21.18 | beandog | buh |
| 17:21.28 | beandog | DSL speeds make me rip the hair out of my head. |
| 17:21.31 | fozzmoo | I wonder what Sprint's policy is on servers. |
| 17:21.35 | beandog | smells like dial up |
| 17:21.54 | fozzmoo | beandog: One of my guys has 6Mbps DSL up in Roy. |
| 17:22.02 | fozzmoo | can't say I'd complain too much about that. |
| 17:22.09 | beandog | ok, Qwest DSL |
| 17:22.15 | fozzmoo | Best I can get in Riverton is 1.5Mbps |
| 17:22.27 | beandog | If I gotta get this slow, at least give me XO |
| 17:22.31 | sinuhe | I've always been comfortable with DSL with Xmission. Xmission's policy restricts bandwidth and commercial use, but allows for up and down stream communication of any kind. |
| 17:23.06 | findlay | sinuhe: that's the kind of service I want |
| 17:23.07 | fozzmoo | sinuhe: Yeah. XMission rocks and I'm not just saying that. |
| 17:23.09 | sinuhe | They also have free periods that make it easy. |
| 17:23.23 | beandog | did XM get their own lease to the lines now, so you dont have to go through qwest? |
| 17:23.25 | sinuhe | I schedule all my heavy downloads at night and the weekends. |
| 17:23.33 | fozzmoo | beandog: Unfortunately, no. |
| 17:23.39 | beandog | buh |
| 17:23.42 | sinuhe | I still pay my line lease with Qwest. |
| 17:23.48 | fozzmoo | beandog: But they are a UTOPIA partner. |
| 17:23.52 | beandog | :) |
| 17:23.56 | fozzmoo | beandog: So, move to a UTOPIA city. :) |
| 17:24.04 | beandog | Id rather beat our mayor upside the head. |
| 17:24.06 | beandog | so we can get it here. |
| 17:24.07 | sinuhe | They're also very friendly with reverse lookups and my BSD systems. |
| 17:24.25 | sinuhe | Yes, they are a UTOPIA partner. Very tempting. |
| 17:24.33 | fozzmoo | Riverton is one of the non-pledging, but still on the list cities. |
| 17:25.20 | s4founder | I've lived in a UTOPIA city for three years, but at the wrong end -- I _still_ can't get UTOPIA access |
| 17:26.43 | fozzmoo | s4founder: What city? |
| 17:26.52 | s4founder | west valley |
| 17:27.08 | s4founder | but way out on the west end, near magna |
| 17:27.08 | fozzmoo | s4founder: My office is in WVC too. |
| 17:27.14 | fozzmoo | We're on 3100 So. |
| 17:27.22 | fozzmoo | About 3600 W |
| 17:27.35 | fozzmoo | UTOPIA has service to the east of us to about 2900 W |
| 17:27.40 | s4founder | I'm about 4100 S 6000 W |
| 17:27.45 | fozzmoo | And then it starts up again to the west of us at about 3690 W |
| 17:27.50 | s4founder | d'oh! |
| 17:28.00 | goozbach | I'm going to be signing up for 6meg symetric DSL |
| 17:28.07 | goozbach | speakeasy even |
| 17:28.16 | goozbach | anyone used speakeasy? |
| 17:28.44 | beandog | I did, a long time ago |
| 17:28.46 | beandog | they were great |
| 17:28.49 | beandog | I wouldnt touch em now though |
| 17:28.55 | findlay | whatever you do, don't go with Lakshmi's provider :) |
| 17:28.55 | beandog | Best Buy bought them out. :( |
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| 17:29.10 | jsmith | goozbach: They're pretty good... but they got bought by Best Buy. So far though, it hasn't affected the service. |
| 17:29.21 | sinuhe | My friend tried speakeasy and thought they were OK in some ways, but annoying in others. No flexibility and picky about getting your bill paid. |
| 17:29.33 | beandog | expensive, too |
| 17:29.35 | beandog | its like $90 for DSL. |
| 17:29.49 | fozzmoo | Is SPeakeasy the one that has a whole program around sharing with your neighbors? |
| 17:29.54 | jsmith | Yes |
| 17:30.14 | jsmith | They're much more friendly that way than most |
| 17:34.25 | goozbach | I'm looking at their VOIP solution as well |
| 17:34.54 | goozbach | wondering if it's SIP |
| 17:36.37 | findlay | it's 299 K and it's still hot in here? |
| 17:36.45 | findlay | s/K/K outside/ |
| 17:37.03 | levi | My new house apparently qualifies for 7meg DSL. Woot. |
| 17:37.28 | mheath | levi: I have 8meg cable |
| 17:37.29 | findlay | imagine how many muds you could play simultaeously on that |
| 17:37.36 | mheath | I could upgrade to 10 for like $10 more a month, too |
| 17:38.16 | beandog | mheath: dont do it |
| 17:38.21 | beandog | I tried it, it doesnt make a difference. |
| 17:39.00 | sinuhe | I balance my upgrades based on cost effectiveness (unless I notice that I'm bogging down my existing bandwidth which forces the upgrade). |
| 17:39.07 | mheath | beandog: I know |
| 17:39.16 | mheath | findlay: Yep ;-P |
| 17:40.03 | levi | mheath: That's nice, but 7meg DSL will be sufficient for me. |
| 17:40.05 | beandog | huh? |
| 17:40.06 | sinuhe | $10 for 2mg extra seems irrelevant to me for the size and too much to spend. Now if it was only say $2 more, or if the $10 was an upgrade from say 5 to 10, then it would be a different story. |
| 17:41.14 | sinuhe | Talking of upgrades, how did the install work out findlay? |
| 17:44.42 | findlay | sinuhe: I got grub to boot, but it wouldn't load the kernel |
| 17:44.53 | goozbach | mheath: yeah you have 8 meg, but how much of that is upload? |
| 17:45.09 | goozbach | I'm looking at 6meg syncrouus |
| 17:46.06 | sinuhe | What did the kernel do? |
| 17:46.22 | findlay | nothing |
| 17:46.32 | findlay | didn't even print out anything |
| 17:47.53 | sinuhe | Ah: the enfamous "nothing" |
| 17:48.06 | sinuhe | s/en/em/ |
| 17:48.15 | sinuhe | Sigh: dictionary anyone? |
| 17:48.21 | elg | infamous |
| 17:48.25 | elg | imfamous |
| 17:48.25 | sinuhe | Thank you |
| 17:48.31 | sinuhe | s/em/im/ |
| 17:48.35 | elg | ~dict infamous |
| 17:49.29 | findlay | I'm tempted to take the hard drive out of laptop A and put it into laptop D to install ubuntu from the CD |
| 17:49.30 | sinuhe | Even a bad kernel should flash something on the screen long enough to blank out. If your kernel line has "quiet" take it out so it gives you more feedback. |
| 17:49.49 | findlay | sinuhe: I don't think it ever got past grub |
| 17:50.26 | sinuhe | Did it display the option to hit escape to get into the grub menu? |
| 17:50.41 | findlay | I already played with the kernel options |
| 17:53.49 | mheath | Theres a cool computer sales place that offers 4 years parts, liftime labor on new computers |
| 17:53.55 | mheath | It would be cool if that applied to linux installations |
| 17:55.01 | findlay | or possibly laptop E since I don't have an ubuntu CD here with laptop D |
| 17:55.46 | mheath | Heh |
| 17:56.27 | fozzmoo | http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200707/error'd/cancel.png |
| 17:57.04 | mheath | fozzmoo: makes sense to me.... ;-) |
| 17:57.19 | Lakshmi | fozzmoo: hey |
| 17:58.40 | beandog | I think the grub options probably slap on "quiet" for good measure |
| 17:58.49 | beandog | which is evil if youre trying to debug issues. |
| 17:58.58 | beandog | that is, grub options from those "other" distros. |
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| 17:59.20 | beandog | Im not sure though. |
| 18:00.08 | herlo | beandog: why is that evil? |
| 18:00.27 | herlo | beandog: as a "normal" user I wouldn't want to see that every time personally |
| 18:00.29 | beandog | it's not, unless you're trying to find problems and the thing setfaults. |
| 18:00.33 | herlo | :) |
| 18:00.36 | beandog | and you can't see it happening |
| 18:00.41 | beandog | herlo: I agree, I have it on mine |
| 18:00.44 | herlo | true that, unless you use dmesg |
| 18:00.50 | herlo | which doesn't have everything. |
| 18:01.00 | beandog | right, but i fyoure not even booting up ... all youll end up seeing is a frozen screen |
| 18:02.19 | herlo | that's poopy |
| 18:02.27 | beandog | toties |
| 18:02.29 | mheath | wow, weber actually has a class in compiler design.. |
| 18:02.44 | mheath | thats a scary thought |
| 18:02.46 | herlo | ^_^ |
| 18:03.12 | mheath | Compiler Design in windows... |
| 18:05.16 | findlay | ok, I need a pc-card nic |
| 18:05.25 | findlay | do they make those anymore? |
| 18:05.31 | beandog | yah |
| 18:05.37 | beandog | thats what most wireless nics are |
| 18:05.39 | beandog | I think. |
| 18:05.42 | findlay | where do I get one? |
| 18:05.45 | sinuhe | I haven't been impressed with the Weber/SLCC computer science courses. Has anyone seen good value from them? |
| 18:06.03 | findlay | sinuhe: SLCC seems like a windows shop |
| 18:06.08 | beandog | newegg? |
| 18:06.11 | sinuhe | I've got a couple Realtek's laying around in a box. |
| 18:06.42 | findlay | beandog: I'd like the option of non-wireless too |
| 18:07.00 | findlay | and I didn't see any rj45 enabled pc cards on newegg |
| 18:07.06 | levi | Well, I think I got ekiga to talk to my asterisk server in its default config, but it doesn't do anything yet. |
| 18:07.34 | mheath | sinuhe: I haven't. |
| 18:07.45 | mheath | Most of their course offerings aren't too good |
| 18:08.32 | mheath | I got turned off when I heard who I think is their dean of CS call solaris 9 "Unix 9"... |
| 18:08.36 | findlay | ~lart pyramid schemes |
| 18:08.36 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in pyramid schemes's direction, hitting pyramid schemes and sending pyramid schemes flying into the closet |
| 18:08.38 | sinuhe | The fact that their UNIX course is a 3000 level, instead of the prerequisite course for the major (or minor) tells me about where they're at, though I'm reading into that... |
| 18:09.34 | sinuhe | When I corrected my instructor about some glaring errors about GNU he told me I didn't know what I was talking about. When I told him I was part of the GNU Project, he poopooed me as "one of those." |
| 18:09.56 | findlay | hahaha |
| 18:10.22 | mheath | sinuhe: instructor where? |
| 18:10.26 | sinuhe | SLCC |
| 18:10.56 | mheath | I might be confused, but the guy who teaches that UNIX class goes to OALUG meetings, I think |
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| 18:11.09 | sinuhe | It wasn't the UNIX course. |
| 18:11.24 | mheath | I haven't been impressed with him at all when I've seen him there, if hes the guy I'm thinking of |
| 18:11.58 | mheath | sinuhe: I'm talking about the one 3000 level UNIX class at WSU you referenced earlier |
| 18:12.26 | sinuhe | I'm following. |
| 18:12.59 | mheath | Well, what did he teach then if it wasn't the UNIX course? |
| 18:13.08 | mheath | I got the impression from some things that were saidt hat he thought a UNIX course |
| 18:13.12 | mheath | and thats the only one they have |
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| 18:14.40 | sinuhe | I was given two separate examples. They were not part of the same example (i.e. UNIX course being 3000 level or the CS instructor--different course--who disparaged GNU in complete ignorance) |
| 18:15.31 | findlay | GNU's aren't those passe? |
| 18:15.56 | findlay | all the cool kids use KDE's now |
| 18:15.59 | mheath | sinuhe: I was talking specifically about the UNIX example. I said that. You contradicted me. Then said you were following me, when I thought you might be confused and tried to clarify ;P |
| 18:16.04 | graphyx | hello everyone! |
| 18:16.20 | sinuhe | I'm just a confused sort of guy, I guess. :-) |
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| 18:17.19 | findlay | so, is it possible to get a pc card with an RJ45 port on it? |
| 18:17.30 | sinuhe | I have one. |
| 18:17.39 | sinuhe | I haven't tried to buy one in ages. |
| 18:17.52 | findlay | sinuhe: well, that's nice, but I need one :) |
| 18:18.13 | sinuhe | What city are you in? |
| 18:18.28 | findlay | Provo, well, Orem right now |
| 18:18.45 | herlo | ~lart Orem |
| 18:18.45 | ibot | raises middle finger to Orem |
| 18:18.56 | herlo | ~finger Provo |
| 18:18.56 | ibot | ACTION raises middle finger to Provo |
| 18:19.00 | findlay | ~orem herlo |
| 18:19.15 | herlo | ~provo findlay |
| 18:19.15 | graphyx | hey herlo games happening any time soon? |
| 18:19.25 | herlo | graphyx: you aren't subscribed to the list? |
| 18:19.33 | graphyx | I though you added me. |
| 18:19.33 | herlo | mail.gamesutah.org |
| 18:19.35 | graphyx | ok |
| 18:19.41 | herlo | graphyx: I don't remember |
| 18:20.03 | herlo | graphyx: so much going on with the Utah Open Source Conference haven't had time to remember much but that. |
| 18:20.18 | findlay | ibot: provo $herlo is <action> sends a legion of freshmen coeds giggling after $herlo while $herlo tries to run away |
| 18:20.18 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 18:20.28 | herlo | graphyx: did you hear we just launched registration and that you can get a big discount if you participate in a Open Source Group in Utah? |
| 18:20.49 | sinuhe | I'll be back in Salt Lake on Saturday. I'll give you a card for a couple lagers. |
| 18:21.02 | herlo | ibot: no, finger $1 is <action> raises his middle finger to $1 |
| 18:21.03 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 18:21.04 | findlay | what's a lager? |
| 18:21.09 | herlo | ~finger findlay |
| 18:21.09 | ibot | ACTION raises his middle finger to findlay |
| 18:21.16 | herlo | findlay: a type of beer |
| 18:21.17 | findlay | ~provo herlo |
| 18:21.17 | ibot | ACTION sends a legion of freshmen coeds giggling after herlo while herlo tries to run away |
| 18:21.49 | herlo | female ones, of course |
| 18:22.04 | findlay | yeah, but they're FRESHMEN |
| 18:22.31 | herlo | findlay: as long as they're of age, I don't much care |
| 18:22.34 | herlo | :-D |
| 18:23.18 | herlo | final lecture @ 1:30 CDT |
| 18:23.24 | findlay | herlo: I'm sick of immature girls no matter what their age |
| 18:23.42 | mheath | herlo: Hey, is there any way I could possibly help with UTOSC? |
| 18:23.44 | mheath | Thought I'd offer |
| 18:23.51 | mheath | I wasn't even living here during initial planning |
| 18:23.59 | herlo | findlay: I'm sure glad, more for me |
| 18:24.03 | findlay | thanks mheath, now I feel guilty |
| 18:24.17 | findlay | herlo: go ahead and take them :) |
| 18:24.28 | mheath | findlay: You should be! |
| 18:24.46 | mheath | findlay: we could have traded places |
| 18:25.12 | mheath | You could go live in charleston, go to a gruling class schedule, and then be forced to volunteer for stupid things during your limited time off so you can 'feel good' |
| 18:25.37 | mheath | (WHAT KIND OF HIGHSCHOOL asks the military to come in and 'volunteer' to help decorate for a dance? Isn't that the class officers job?!) |
| 18:28.17 | findlay | that's all we need |
| 18:28.23 | findlay | more government databases |
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| 18:44.11 | findlay | well if I turn into a jerk SA, it's sjansen's fault |
| 18:51.05 | beandog | ~provo findlay |
| 18:51.06 | ibot | ACTION sends a legion of freshmen coeds giggling after findlay while findlay tries to run away |
| 18:51.22 | beandog | ~orem findlay |
| 18:51.28 | beandog | meh |
| 18:51.32 | beandog | wheres the love |
| 18:52.07 | findlay | well if this is a UVSC vs BYU thing, I can certainly give you some ideas :) |
| 18:52.31 | findlay | meaning I can diatribe long against UVSC |
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| 18:52.47 | beandog | noooo .... I loves teh uvsc |
| 18:53.00 | findlay | well it certainly has its merit |
| 18:53.51 | findlay | but playing underdog to an institution such as BYU has ... interesting effects |
| 18:54.13 | elg | you mean like making the school look like a bomb shelter? |
| 18:54.22 | elg | i always wondered why that was |
| 18:54.27 | findlay | well, that's part of it |
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| 19:18.23 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 19:18.23 | ibot | puts elg into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of elg's hair of |
| 19:18.54 | emcnabb | uh oh, elg didn't have much to begin with ;-) |
| 19:23.39 | findlay | well if you only rub half off, you'll never run out |
| 19:23.54 | findlay | Zeno's paradox |
| 19:24.46 | goozbach | isn't there a cli command to convert binary to dec |
| 19:25.13 | goozbach | duh, bc |
| 19:25.41 | findlay | interesting that the continusous vs discrete debate went back all the way to classical Greece |
| 19:25.55 | findlay | and in a way continues today |
| 19:26.19 | findlay | we won't really know until we're able to effectively probe the Universe at the Planck scale |
| 19:26.32 | findlay | either mathematically or experimentally |
| 19:27.02 | findlay | but in any case it would still be just a confirmed guess either way |
| 19:27.09 | findlay | which is what science is all about |
| 19:35.18 | findlay | only because Planck is as far ahead as we can see |
| 19:37.15 | levi | Hmm. The asterisk demo picks up the call, but I don't hear anything when it attempts to play demo-congrats. |
| 19:39.35 | findlay | levi: are you using a softphone? |
| 19:39.42 | levi | Yes, ekiga. |
| 19:40.05 | findlay | does audio work otherwise (input and output)? |
| 19:40.14 | findlay | can you verify it? |
| 19:40.29 | levi | I hear little chittering noises. |
| 19:40.37 | levi | When I turn the volume way up. |
| 19:40.56 | levi | I don't have a microphone plugged in. |
| 19:41.13 | findlay | well can you capture audio with audacity or something? |
| 19:42.37 | levi | There's not much to capture. |
| 19:43.12 | findlay | the point is that audio input and output works |
| 19:43.21 | findlay | did you follow the example in the book? |
| 19:43.30 | levi | I don't have a book. |
| 19:44.25 | findlay | http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 |
| 19:49.13 | fozzmoo | Now you have a book. :) |
| 19:53.34 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:53.47 | levi | Perhaps my lack of the ztdummy driver was the problem. |
| 19:56.43 | findlay | oh, I know what I'll do :) |
| 19:56.52 | findlay | just get grub to boot the CD |
| 19:58.35 | Tene | grub++ |
| 20:02.38 | findlay | so I ended up installing windows 2000 server on this guy's laptop |
| 20:02.47 | findlay | I should have just installed ubuntu |
| 20:07.08 | findlay | (on laptop D, that is) |
| 20:09.43 | tensai | this is almost hilarious. it'll be funnier tomorrow I'm sure. |
| 20:10.33 | tensai | so my company does wireless internet. occasionally we'll work deals with customers to put an access point on their roof. |
| 20:10.57 | tensai | today service goes out at one location. we dispatch out to see what's up. the customer had taken the radio down to put new siding up. |
| 20:12.07 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 20:12.32 | findlay | that's it |
| 20:12.33 | findlay | ? |
| 20:12.46 | findlay | I could imagine them forgetting to put it back up |
| 20:13.09 | tensai | findlay: the siding is still going up. not sure how much longer the radio will be down. |
| 20:13.27 | findlay | oh |
| 20:13.35 | findlay | well that's better :) |
| 20:13.45 | tensai | they said they didn't realize that taking the radio down would affect all the other customers in the area |
| 20:14.34 | sinuhe | Duh |
| 20:14.40 | tensai | looks like it's only 8 other people. still, we're *paying* them for access to their roof. they didn't consider at least warning us? |
| 20:14.43 | rsimpkins | That's kinda risky. |
| 20:15.01 | rsimpkins | Depending on some customers to provide other customers access. |
| 20:15.07 | rsimpkins | I guess it's how it works though. |
| 20:16.11 | tensai | rsimpkins: can be. mostly we use traditional towers on mountains or tall buildings. sometimes it's the only way to offer service. |
| 20:16.31 | rsimpkins | tensai: You can put a WAP on my roof for free Internet - I'm down with that. ;) |
| 20:17.01 | tensai | rsimpkins: do you live in Wyoming? :) |
| 20:17.17 | rsimpkins | tensai: No - but I'd move just for the free Internet... :) |
| 20:17.41 | rsimpkins | We need to start a geek co-op for Internet access. |
| 20:17.48 | rsimpkins | Like - DSL for geeks. |
| 20:18.01 | rsimpkins | No support - but also totally geek friendly access. |
| 20:18.13 | tensai | don't do DSL. it's a legal nightmare. not worth it for that sort of thing. |
| 20:18.24 | rsimpkins | Well, some sort of geek co-op. |
| 20:18.25 | tensai | wireless could work though |
| 20:18.59 | levi | rsimpkins: A geek co-op would work well for web hosting or something. |
| 20:19.06 | sinuhe | A legal nightmare? |
| 20:19.12 | rsimpkins | levi: I've heard of some geek hacker lairs. |
| 20:19.26 | tensai | sinuhe: fighting with qwest over every little thing |
| 20:19.36 | rsimpkins | A bunch of comptuer guys rent a super-cheap place, and put some old couches and a couple racks of servers in there. |
| 20:19.53 | tensai | you'd spend as much time at the public utilities commission as you would setting up modems |
| 20:19.56 | sinuhe | That's why you use a provider for your ISP, but Qwest for the line lease. |
| 20:20.18 | levi | rsimpkins: There's a guy that comes by here every once in a while and looks for people to come to his place for a hacking marathon. |
| 20:22.00 | tensai | sinuhe: what I took rsimpkins to mean was setting up dsl service for ourselves, be our own isp of sorts |
| 20:22.30 | sinuhe | Ah...serves me right for busting in half way through the conversation. |
| 20:22.46 | tensai | it can be done. I remember on home owners group doing it, but they had to force the ilec to let them |
| 20:23.10 | tensai | sinuhe: np. I'll just return the favor some time :) |
| 20:23.35 | sinuhe | Sigh. :-) |
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| 20:34.30 | brasto | anyone here using drupal with the glossary extension? |
| 20:35.57 | bonez39 | how do I find which driver....is not loaded for my motherboard NIC...? |
| 20:36.59 | tensai | bonez39: what does lspci show for the nic? |
| 20:37.06 | levi | Hmm. Maybe this laptop is just too underpowered to do asterisk. |
| 20:38.04 | bonez39 | tensai: intel 82801BA... |
| 20:38.20 | bonez39 | /BAM/CA/CAM CONTROLLER |
| 20:38.36 | bonez39 | I know this is just a module...but I can't recall which it is named |
| 20:41.04 | rsimpkins | e100? e1000? |
| 20:41.29 | tensai | that's what I'm seeing |
| 20:42.47 | bonez39 | ok...I'll try that with modprobe |
| 20:51.39 | klys | Is there a way to get a nicely formatted MS office document without using MS office? |
| 20:52.22 | findlay | LaTeX |
| 20:52.25 | findlay | :) |
| 20:52.55 | klys | I thought LaTeX only does .dvi files |
| 20:53.21 | bonez39 | tensai: levi the e100 did the trick.... |
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| 20:53.40 | bonez39 | now I just need to add it to that list...to load it automatically..but can't remember the list name.. |
| 20:54.08 | findlay | klys: no way |
| 20:54.12 | findlay | there's pdf latex now |
| 20:54.30 | findlay | way nicer than the dvi->ps->pdf headache |
| 20:54.36 | klys | does pdf LaTeX just use some dvips variant to produce a pdf? |
| 20:54.44 | findlay | dvi was OK I guess, but PDF does the job too |
| 20:55.00 | findlay | no, PDFTeX writes directly to PDF |
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| 20:55.06 | klys | I want an MS word 2000 document (.doc) |
| 20:55.26 | findlay | but I really doubt you could get it to produce a word doc |
| 20:55.34 | findlay | your best option is OO |
| 20:55.50 | bonez39 | must be '/etc/modules' to have those auto load at startup |
| 20:55.52 | klys | my original question is offtopic then |
| 20:56.30 | findlay | openoffice should do the job |
| 20:57.56 | sinuhe | You could also use RTF, such as latex2rtf |
| 20:59.29 | klys | ok, I'm going to approach a MS word installation with an .odt. I want to paste fonts, sizes, bolds, tabs, and text. I'm not sure if I'll be able to use my favorite font. What's a good intermediary |
| 21:02.39 | klys | pqasting from word to word scares me because I don't want to paste any special codes that would be hidden in the document |
| 21:06.57 | findlay | mheath: http://gentoo-wiki.com/GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM didn't work for me :( |
| 21:07.38 | tensai | bonez39: /etc/modules |
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| 21:07.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Cute. |
| 21:08.19 | tensai | ~onjoin Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:08.19 | ibot | onjoin for lone_wanderer set by elg on Tue Mar 20 09:36:24 2007: -lart Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:08.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here know whether it's difficult to integrate youtube's videos (including uploading them) onto your own site? |
| 21:13.15 | levi | Stupid ekiga. |
| 21:13.31 | klys | maybe, is there a way to generate a ms word document with a single embedded image filling most of the page using free tools |
| 21:14.04 | findlay | levi: use iaxcomm |
| 21:14.07 | findlay | or kiax |
| 21:14.19 | findlay | or kphone if you want sip |
| 21:14.37 | findlay | klys: have you checked CPAN? |
| 21:14.53 | levi | I switched to Twinkle and it works fine. |
| 21:16.31 | findlay | or abiword? |
| 21:16.54 | sinuhe | Abiword uses an external converter (w2?) |
| 21:17.05 | findlay | wv |
| 21:17.06 | findlay | ? |
| 21:17.10 | klys | xok |
| 21:17.13 | levi | Yay, working asterisk. |
| 21:17.14 | sinuhe | It seems to be adequate enough (wv and wv2) |
| 21:17.16 | sinuhe | That was it |
| 21:17.17 | klys | I might have abiword |
| 21:17.28 | findlay | http://wvware.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:17.29 | brac | [wvWare, library for converting Word documents] |
| 21:17.33 | klys | levi: wow, but it's on your laptop? |
| 21:18.53 | levi | klys: Yup. |
| 21:19.16 | klys | levi: do you have it connected to a mobile phone or something? |
| 21:19.37 | levi | klys: No, it's not connected to anything. It just plays some automated messages and stuff. |
| 21:20.12 | klys | levi: so, you don't have wcxfo or other device to use it with your phone, but otherwise it does what it should? |
| 21:20.26 | tensai | for a SIP softphone I like Twinkle |
| 21:20.52 | klys | is a softphone just like, for voip not telephones? |
| 21:21.32 | levi | klys: You can call regular phones if you have a gateway service to the PSTN. |
| 21:21.49 | klys | levi: using a voip setup, right? |
| 21:21.52 | levi | Cool, I called the console and I can hear myself typing. |
| 21:22.18 | levi | klys: Through a voip company like arrivaltel or broadvoice or vonage or whatever. |
| 21:23.04 | klys | ok, so do you have a desktop or something to put a PBX card in? |
| 21:23.34 | levi | Don't need one. |
| 21:23.49 | levi | I'm planning on getting an ATA SIP device. |
| 21:24.39 | levi | So asterisk will handle call routing and voicemail and stuff, and the ATA will let me plug in my analog phones to it. |
| 21:25.20 | klys | ATA = AT Attachment, refers to IDE |
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| 21:25.31 | levi | Not in this context. |
| 21:25.38 | levi | It means analog telephone adapter. |
| 21:25.41 | klys | k |
| 21:26.10 | findlay | well, SBM won't even recognize my CD drive |
| 21:26.12 | findlay | :( |
| 21:26.15 | klys | an ATelA for your laptop? |
| 21:26.49 | klys | I suppose you could just leave your best laptop home, though I wouldn't recommend it |
| 21:29.20 | tensai | klys: an ATA is a little device. one end plugs into the Internet and talks VoIP. the other end plugs into a phone and talks analog. |
| 21:29.37 | tensai | for a laptop all you need is a headset |
| 21:30.06 | klys | tensai: not if you want to use a guitar |
| 21:30.38 | tensai | hmm. never heard of guitar-over-ip before. |
| 21:30.42 | klys | haha |
| 21:33.32 | klys | an AtelA would have plugs for: power, ethernet, line in, phone; and that's all if I could tell you. it must have some administration rool in its ROM too |
| 21:34.52 | klys | think of this: find a place with a wireless network and a phone jack and just take all your calls there (phreaking exploit) |
| 21:39.15 | findlay | SMB doesn't recognize the IDE controller |
| 21:39.37 | findlay | and the only think I can do is enter some hex number which is my guess at what it is |
| 21:41.07 | klys | you mean SBM won't recognize it |
| 21:41.51 | klys | I don't know that any bootloader is capable of replacing enough bios calls to actually load and boot an eltorito CD. for one, you have to replace fd0 |
| 21:43.00 | klys | findlay: is there anything cool you've found at CPAN? |
| 21:43.33 | findlay | klys: a few modules for excel. I'm not sure about word |
| 21:44.03 | findlay | klys: SBM is capable of booting CDs |
| 21:46.15 | klys | just not with your system? |
| 21:47.05 | findlay | I'm using some prebuilt version made by somebody else |
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| 21:49.27 | klys | findlay: if I find it at cpan.org It should work with perl regardless of my OS, does this seem right |
| 21:49.42 | klys | because I saw MS::Word::writer |
| 21:50.11 | klys | ewr, win32::Word::writer |
| 21:51.32 | QBFreak | was there a new dinosaur found in utah recently? google news is not finding what I'm being told |
| 21:52.12 | levi | klys: I'm not following what your 'exploit' is supposed to accomplish. |
| 21:53.00 | klys | qbfreak: 17:03 EST, April 03, 2006; http://www.physorg.com/news63302624.html |
| 21:53.02 | levi | klys: If you have a laptop and wifi, you can take your calls anywhere without any additional hardware except possibly a headset. |
| 21:53.22 | levi | You don't even need asterisk for that. |
| 21:54.20 | QBFreak | klys: maybe, there is some confusion in the story here, so oh well |
| 21:54.21 | klys | levi: so anyway you probably want asterisk in some way attached to your ATelA |
| 22:00.21 | mheath | So, question |
| 22:00.32 | mheath | My sisters computer is having some weird BIOS problems |
| 22:00.50 | mheath | The BIOS outputs incomplete POST output (skips parts like RAM check, etc) and then freezes on the POST screen |
| 22:01.00 | mheath | Her boyfriend removed the CMOS battery for a bit to reset the BIOS |
| 22:01.05 | mheath | And then it worked to startup once |
| 22:01.10 | Tene | mheath: windows. |
| 22:01.13 | mheath | And on next reboot, the same thing happened |
| 22:01.23 | mheath | Does this sound like some kind of BIOS virus? |
| 22:01.57 | mheath | I'm just going to reset it to reboot, run antivirus, anti-spyware, anti-adware, etc. |
| 22:02.09 | Tene | mheath: bios virus? |
| 22:02.36 | mheath | Tene: Virus/program/junk that effects the BIOS flash-rom. |
| 22:02.56 | mheath | I mean, he reset the BIOS and it worked fine....after he gets into Windows once, though, same problem comes back. |
| 22:03.05 | Tene | QBFreak: ping. |
| 22:03.15 | mheath | Tene: what do you think the problem might be? |
| 22:03.30 | klys | mheath: it may be because windows is changing some settings relevant to the hardware's bios |
| 22:03.45 | Tene | mheath: I'd first suspect flaky hardware. |
| 22:04.01 | mheath | well, I'm going to first do a thorough cleaning |
| 22:04.06 | mheath | Then start to troubleshoot hardware |
| 22:04.16 | klys | mheath: and you're doing a warm boot, so not everything here is reset; maybe it's keeping resources or in a noninitial state |
| 22:04.26 | mheath | He DOES download a LOT of pirated stuff that could contain viruses and the linke |
| 22:04.28 | mheath | *like |
| 22:04.39 | mheath | I'll also look up his motherboard, and see about downloading a BIOS update for it.. |
| 22:04.55 | levi | klys: Well, yes. The ATA connects via SIP to asterisk. |
| 22:05.31 | klys | well, getting to asterisk may not always be available depending on where you are |
| 22:06.11 | levi | klys: You wouldn't take the ATA with you. Why haul around a box + an analog phone? It's for your house/office. |
| 22:06.12 | klys | but of course, you can do it this way |
| 22:06.29 | klys | you're just taking the other end of SIP with you |
| 22:07.41 | levi | I'm still not sure what you're talking about. |
| 22:08.33 | klys | I mean that, since asterisk is only available with the use of your favorite laptop, when you leave it might not be on or hooked up. |
| 22:08.52 | klys | so they'd have to leave a message without your fancy phone menu |
| 22:09.43 | levi | The laptop I installed this on is not really suitable for use as a laptop anymore. |
| 22:09.50 | klys | k |
| 22:09.57 | klys | this is the part I wasn't getting |
| 22:10.31 | klys | so, how's it working? |
| 22:10.33 | levi | I have another, much newer laptop that I actually use as a mobile computer. |
| 22:10.54 | levi | This one I installed asterisk on has been gathering dust. :) |
| 22:11.12 | levi | It seems to be working fine. I'll dive into actually trying to understand and configure it later. |
| 22:14.04 | mheath | hmm. someone should make a good Windows utility CD disk |
| 22:14.16 | mheath | Linux LiveCD with filesystem tools, etc. for windows |
| 22:14.35 | mheath | plus a bunch of Windows utils...free anti-virus, etc |
| 22:14.46 | klys | mheath: what utilities do you have in mind? |
| 22:15.19 | Tene | mheath: so do it. |
| 22:16.00 | klys | mheath: is there a useful filesystem utility (besides doublekiller) I don't know about |
| 22:16.58 | mheath | klys: Well, a lot of the common utilities we used when I worked at a Windows repair shop (These may be outdated or obsolete now): AVG Anti-Virus, Adaware, Spybot, HijackThis.. |
| 22:18.02 | klys | mheath: you should put winvnc on there too |
| 22:18.51 | mheath | klys: basic filesystem stuff. Ability to mount and modify NTFS systems... |
| 22:18.56 | mheath | Format disks, modify partitions |
| 22:19.01 | mheath | Parted would be cool |
| 22:19.29 | mheath | Good example (but outdated, I guess): other day I was setting up Win 98SE on an old computer |
| 22:19.36 | mheath | Old DOS FS stuff is dreafully slow |
| 22:19.48 | mheath | Especially fdisk...format is bad too |
| 22:20.02 | mheath | Would have been nice if I could just pop in a livecd and run the much faster Linux versions of those, quickly and easily |
| 22:20.15 | klys | format is best done with dos |
| 22:20.27 | mheath | no, it's not. |
| 22:20.32 | mheath | Their format tool is slow and horrilbe |
| 22:20.37 | mheath | Linux version is faster and works perfectly. |
| 22:20.51 | mheath | (Note I'm talking about FAT filesystems, not NTFS) |
| 22:21.02 | klys | it's slow I know though it will work with dos or win32 and mkdosfs doesn't always afaict |
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| 22:23.02 | mheath | Oh |
| 22:23.09 | mheath | They have Linux registry editors too :) |
| 22:23.27 | MSC386 | Sinuhe, you here? |
| 22:23.31 | klys | you'd about have to with wine as big as it is |
| 22:23.54 | mheath | huh? |
| 22:24.11 | MSC386 | Looking for someone, sorry. |
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| 23:09.30 | Tene | goozbach. |
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| 23:13.30 | goozbach | howdy! |
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| 23:22.18 | goozbach | fix your connection Lakshmi |
| 23:22.37 | Lakshmi | wanna tell me how? |
| 23:22.42 | Lakshmi | cause its not like i havent tried before |
| 23:23.22 | mheath | Lakshmi: You're keeping chatzilla open all the time? And your computer running? |
| 23:23.57 | Lakshmi | most of the time yes... |
| 23:24.54 | mheath | Either your force exiting and restarting it, or your internet connection is the worst thing I've ever seen |
| 23:25.07 | mheath | Like, tons and tons of dropped packets. |
| 23:26.23 | Lakshmi | i dont force exit |
| 23:26.28 | Lakshmi | like as in .. i quit myself |
| 23:26.39 | Lakshmi | my internet connection is prolly the worst uve seen |
| 23:26.53 | Lakshmi | and im not sure what packets are |
| 23:27.58 | mheath | Lakshmi: in a twelve minute period earlier, your client got disconnected and reconnected 4 different times. |
| 23:28.05 | Lakshmi | yeah |
| 23:28.11 | Lakshmi | i know that much |
| 23:28.18 | Lakshmi | but why? ... i dont know |
| 23:28.30 | mheath | Something is up with your IRC client. Your connection wouldn't even be useful for other things if its just the connections fault. |
| 23:28.54 | Lakshmi | no it isnt.. i get signed in and off my AIM accounts |
| 23:29.03 | mheath | You'd run into page timeouts, errors, and lots of nastyness even just trying to browse the web if it's your connection |
| 23:29.05 | Lakshmi | the same way that happens to IRC |
| 23:29.21 | mheath | Lakshmi: Call your ISP then. Thats rediculous. |
| 23:29.27 | Lakshmi | its impossible trying to have a conversation when u keep dissapearing |
| 23:29.31 | Lakshmi | on AIM |
| 23:29.50 | Lakshmi | ISP... SBC.. right |
| 23:29.57 | Lakshmi | and tell them what? |
| 23:30.05 | mheath | And rather annoying, as goozbach points out...the entire channel and logs ends up getting filled up with just you joining, leaving, joining, leaving, joining, leavnig, over and over again for hours.. |
| 23:30.32 | Lakshmi | im sorry... |
| 23:30.45 | Lakshmi | welll other than calling my ISP and yelling at them |
| 23:31.03 | Lakshmi | is there something else i can do... somehow keep myself from crashing? |
| 23:32.06 | Lakshmi | a) thats not my only purpose in here.. once in a while i actually do learn things |
| 23:32.14 | Lakshmi | b) ... im sure he has a purpose being here |
| 23:32.41 | Lakshmi | c) get over it |
| 23:35.57 | mheath | Lakshmi: This is #utah, People are here because they live in, used to live in, etc. Utah and discuss open source things related to Utah and the lug groups in it (though we get offtopic a lot) |
| 23:36.12 | mheath | By his own admission, he is here because he followed someone in here. As simple as that. He lives in California. |
| 23:36.50 | Lakshmi | and i followed someone here .. |
| 23:36.56 | Lakshmi | same difference right? |
| 23:37.13 | mheath | Lakshmi: Yep, its the same invalid reason :) |
| 23:37.24 | Lakshmi | good to knpw! |
| 23:37.28 | Lakshmi | er know! |
| 23:37.36 | mheath | ~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~// |
| 23:37.48 | mheath | hmm |
| 23:37.56 | mheath | sorry, terminal froze up for a second |
| 23:38.11 | mheath | Thats what Page Up looks like formated as text :) |
| 23:38.29 | mheath | klys: Hey, any other utilities or features you'd find useful on such a CD? |
| 23:43.38 | findlay | it's all emcnabb's fault! |
| 23:44.48 | mheath | findlay: it is. |
| 23:45.00 | mheath | Sorry, I'm just getting tired of this |
| 23:45.17 | mheath | OMG, SARGUN, txt me! plzz! |
| 23:45.17 | mheath | Reply to my AIM sargun! |
| 23:45.20 | mheath | Followed by 50 disconnects and reconnects |
| 23:45.33 | mheath | Followed by pissed off that Sargun didn't reply |
| 23:45.38 | findlay | emcnabb: it's all your fault |
| 23:46.05 | findlay | mheath: you entered junk characters into the channel. That is unacceptable |
| 23:48.35 | findlay | besides, this is #utah |
| 23:48.40 | findlay | there is no topic here |
| 23:49.10 | mheath | findlay: I know. My junk characters are horrible :( |
| 23:49.51 | findlay | mheath: I'm getting close to figuring out how to boot a CD though |
| 23:50.09 | findlay | using a bootloader that hasn't been updated in 6 years |
| 23:50.30 | findlay | I guess there aren't many BIOSes out there that don't boot CDs |
| 23:50.58 | findlay | but with the gradual move to LinuxBIOS you'd think people would be more interested in it |
| 23:51.09 | findlay | I don't think it would be that hard to add to grub |
