| 00:06.19 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 00:11.15 | mrpull-_ | anybody use activestate's distros? |
| 00:12.43 | mrpull-_ | i'm curious how far their releases lag behind the official releases |
| 00:14.23 | mrpull-_ | oooh... komodo 4.0 has vi key bindings |
| 00:16.40 | levi_home | Hah, a song about testimony meeting to the tune of 'These are a few of my favorite things' |
| 00:17.06 | mrpull-_ | levi_home: link? |
| 00:17.15 | levi_home | I got it in an email. |
| 00:18.31 | mrpull-_ | i've sometimes cringed when non-member friends have come to testimony meetings... there is always something screwy that makes them think the whole church is fouled up |
| 00:19.18 | levi_home | http://www.maternalalchemy.com/diverted/?p=572 |
| 00:19.25 | levi_home | The lyrics are there. |
| 00:20.36 | mrpull-_ | Nine CTRs thank the same things verbatim |
| 00:21.12 | mrpull-_ | levi_home: that is brilliant |
| 00:21.51 | levi_home | http://www.spaff.com/ |
| 00:21.55 | levi_home | I think the song itself is there. |
| 00:24.00 | mrpull-_ | funny stuff |
| 00:24.58 | levi_home | I'm listening to 'Blog Alone' right now. |
| 00:28.39 | Sargun | emcnabb, you need help with it still? |
| 00:41.20 | emcnabb | nope |
| 00:41.54 | Sargun | ah |
| 00:42.00 | Sargun | how'd you fix it? |
| 00:43.18 | billfur | wth we lost =( |
| 00:43.34 | billfur | horribley |
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| 00:46.27 | emcnabb | Sargun: didn't |
| 00:46.51 | Sargun | uhh |
| 00:47.43 | Sargun | emcnabb, thats messed up :-P |
| 00:47.51 | emcnabb | what's messed up? |
| 00:48.18 | Sargun | I was joking |
| 00:48.50 | Sargun | http://pastebin.ca/188351 < that script + the IPTables rules = answer. |
| 01:23.27 | findlay | ~joke Sargun |
| 01:23.44 | findlay | ~Sargun |
| 01:23.52 | findlay | ~anything |
| 01:23.53 | ibot | i guess anything is better than fat32 |
| 01:23.54 | Sargun | ~Sargun findlay |
| 01:23.55 | ibot | Want a VPS, findlay ?! How about it? I think you need a VPS, findlay ! Come on, lets get you a VPS, findlay ! Oh, by the way, do you know any 13 year old girls who live in San Fransisco?? |
| 01:23.58 | findlay | ~nothing |
| 01:23.59 | ibot | [nothing] something |
| 01:24.05 | Sargun | ~42 |
| 01:24.07 | ibot | from memory, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 01:24.54 | findlay | Sargun: my cousin lives in San Francisco, although I don't think you would go for a grad student |
| 01:25.02 | Sargun | heh |
| 01:25.22 | findlay | ibot: what do you know? |
| 01:25.24 | ibot | who? |
| 01:25.30 | findlay | I rest my case |
| 01:59.25 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.27 | Sargun | fdisk. |
| 02:02.30 | Sargun | fdisk FTW |
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| 02:30.02 | findlay | what kinds of /dev entries would a serial printer have? |
| 02:31.49 | findlay | actually I meant parallel |
| 02:32.24 | goozbach | lp0 |
| 02:32.41 | goozbach | ? |
| 02:32.45 | findlay | not there |
| 02:33.00 | findlay | although I have parport_pc loaded |
| 02:33.10 | findlay | perhaps I need another module for the printer |
| 02:33.11 | goozbach | it's not your printer that exists in /dev |
| 02:33.18 | goozbach | it's your parrellel port |
| 02:33.36 | findlay | then why would the entry not exist? |
| 02:33.44 | goozbach | no Ideah |
| 02:33.56 | goozbach | cannt tayp todingt |
| 02:34.04 | goozbach | whoah |
| 02:34.16 | goozbach | I'm going tto go to bed before I hurt myself |
| 02:34.27 | findlay | tty bed? |
| 02:36.01 | findlay | in my experience, even though the /dev file is for the port/host device, it will only show up when the device is properly recognized by the kernel |
| 02:36.23 | findlay | the perifrial device itself |
| 02:36.47 | findlay | ~spell periferal |
| 02:36.51 | findlay | ~spell perifiral |
| 02:36.53 | findlay | whatever |
| 02:37.07 | findlay | peripheral |
| 02:37.14 | goozbach | peripheral |
| 02:37.47 | goozbach | I don't have any devices connected to my paralel port and see the device nodes |
| 02:38.04 | findlay | depends on your udev rules maybe |
| 02:38.06 | goozbach | [dcarter@zonoma ~]$ ls -l /dev/lp* crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 0 Sep 30 19:58 /dev/lp0 |
| 02:38.10 | goozbach | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 1 Sep 30 19:58 /dev/lp1 |
| 02:38.12 | goozbach | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 2 Sep 30 19:58 /dev/lp2 |
| 02:38.15 | goozbach | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 6, 3 Sep 30 19:58 /dev/lp3 |
| 02:39.18 | goozbach | [dcarter@zonoma udev]$ grep -rn lp . |
| 02:39.32 | goozbach | ./rules.d/50-udev.rules:88:# lp devices |
| 02:39.43 | goozbach | that's in /etc/udev |
| 02:40.20 | findlay | heh, ok then, what does `uname -r` say? |
| 02:42.21 | goozbach | 2.6.15-1.1833_FC4 |
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| 02:48.41 | findlay | how do I specify a printer located on /dev/lp0 with lpr -P? |
| 02:50.37 | findlay | guess you use the printer's name |
| 02:50.42 | findlay | thanks for all the help |
| 02:51.04 | findlay | couldn't have done it without you |
| 02:51.45 | findlay | especially mheath |
| 02:51.50 | findlay | ~mheath++ |
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| 02:58.35 | atoponce | w00t! |
| 03:00.01 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 03:00.19 | Sargun | atoponce, you! |
| 03:03.26 | atoponce | Sargun: me? |
| 03:04.07 | Sargun | yes, you!~ |
| 03:04.13 | atoponce | ok |
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| 03:20.43 | findlay | hey, where did my tea go? |
| 03:23.28 | Sargun | I drank it. |
| 03:25.24 | findlay | ~drink Sargun |
| 03:25.26 | ibot | I don't want to drink Sargun |
| 03:25.30 | findlay | fine |
| 03:25.33 | billfur | ahaha |
| 03:26.08 | findlay | -lart tea |
| 03:26.12 | findlay | -lart tea |
| 03:35.54 | levi_home | Grr, my legal move generator is not working correctly after all. |
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| 03:42.34 | findlay_ | stupid utah.gov |
| 03:42.48 | findlay_ | their voter registration PDF isn't even a valid PDF document |
| 03:43.36 | Sargun | why? |
| 03:44.29 | findlay_ | no %EOF |
| 03:47.10 | findlay_ | this d00dz tunes st1nx0rz |
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| 04:06.42 | mheath | findlay, got everything working? |
| 04:08.07 | mheath | Hmm, question. |
| 04:08.09 | mheath | "Derek was set to get his engineering degree this year after only two years at Florida International University. He wanted to be a neurosurgeon, his mother said." |
| 04:08.15 | mheath | Isn't that going in rather the wrong direction? |
| 04:09.27 | maquis | lol |
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| 04:16.14 | levi_home | The ocaml debugger is so cool. You can step /backwards/ in your program. |
| 04:19.29 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: I imagine it's very resource intensive. |
| 04:20.55 | levi_home | It only works when you compile with debugging information. |
| 04:21.03 | levi_home | And use the bytecode compiler. |
| 04:21.13 | mheath[laptop] | ah. |
| 04:21.36 | findlay_ | stupid unreliable network |
| 04:21.42 | findlay_ | ~lart unreliable network |
| 04:21.44 | mheath[laptop] | findlay_: printer working? |
| 04:21.52 | findlay_ | mheath[laptop]: yeah, works great |
| 04:22.02 | mheath[laptop] | awesome :) |
| 04:22.32 | mheath[laptop] | I love postscript compatible printers. They're a breeze to setup in any Linux distro. Don't have to worry about ghostscript or backends or any of that junk. |
| 04:22.45 | findlay_ | indeed |
| 04:23.04 | findlay_ | you could even open up a pipe to the printer and type postscript if you knew it |
| 04:23.28 | mheath[laptop] | thats actually why I love my old dotmatrix line-feed-compatible printer. |
| 04:23.29 | findlay_ | mheath[laptop]: how do you setup ps printers? |
| 04:24.04 | mheath[laptop] | You can literally just cat "message" > /dev/lp0 with that old dotmatrix |
| 04:24.05 | findlay_ | I usually either use KDE's printer dialog (very nice BTW) or cups. I haven't learned what really goes on yet |
| 04:24.18 | mheath[laptop] | findlay_: just use CUPs web dialog myself. |
| 04:24.50 | findlay_ | I actually went with the hpijs driver to see how it works |
| 04:25.08 | mheath[laptop] | Kind of overkill, but OK. |
| 04:25.36 | mheath[laptop] | Programs output the document in a language that can be sent right to the printer |
| 04:25.46 | levi_home | You guys have it easy. It used to be hard to set up Linux printing. |
| 04:25.52 | levi_home | Before the days of cups. |
| 04:26.05 | levi_home | Lots of /etc/printcap hacking. |
| 04:26.08 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: Like I said, with that linefeed printer you don't need cups! |
| 04:26.23 | mheath[laptop] | You an literally just cat "message" > /dev/lp0 |
| 04:27.25 | levi_home | Right, but even back then, lots of people had printers that were nicer than that and wanted to use them. |
| 04:27.27 | mheath[laptop] | findlay_: as to your question earlier about device nodes....its been a while since I've dealt with parallel ports, but IIRC, /dev/parport0 is for raw parallel ports, wheras /dev/lp0 is for a printer |
| 04:27.39 | mheath[laptop] | So you have to have the parallel printer module loaded to see it |
| 04:28.14 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: next time I setup a server, I'm going to use that printer as a logger. |
| 04:28.24 | mheath[laptop] | It will be a headless machine, but log important stuff right to the printer. |
| 04:28.35 | findlay_ | that would be fun |
| 04:29.07 | mheath[laptop] | by the way...no one has a serial line console I could borrow for a few days, do they? :) |
| 04:30.47 | levi_home | I used to. |
| 04:32.36 | levi_home | Heh. My random chess players fought each other down to only their kings. |
| 04:34.13 | mheath[laptop] | haha, nice |
| 04:34.23 | mheath[laptop] | infinite checks. |
| 04:35.00 | levi_home | Real chess games have a move limit, though. |
| 04:35.25 | mheath[laptop] | http://retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/z100hp.jpg |
| 04:35.31 | mheath[laptop] | That was the first computer I ever used.. |
| 04:36.17 | mheath[laptop] | It was made back in ~1983. I wasn't born until 89, but my dad did a few neat hardware upgrade hacks that kept it reasonably nice through about ~93 |
| 04:36.48 | mheath[laptop] | Added a hard disk, extended the RAM way beyond what the manufacturer officially offered, 8Mhz Hard drive with overclocking capabilities.. |
| 04:36.55 | mheath[laptop] | erm |
| 04:36.59 | mheath[laptop] | *8Mhz Processor with overclocking |
| 04:38.41 | mheath[laptop] | I sometimes wonder what some hackers at, say, MIT would think if I could jump back into the 1950's with my laptop running Ubuntu and show it to them. |
| 04:38.49 | levi_home | My first computer was an Apple II clone. Second was a Mac Plus. |
| 04:39.17 | mheath[laptop] | Computers have changed into something that wasn't even conceivable in their wildest dreams back then.... |
| 04:39.21 | levi_home | I think I may have used one of those Zenith things at a friend's house. |
| 04:40.04 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: they were nice. They had both an 8085 and 8088 (choose at boot) processor, so you could run both 8 and 16 bit programs. |
| 04:40.11 | mheath[laptop] | MS-DOS or CP/M. |
| 04:41.10 | mheath[laptop] | haha...You only have an x86? Well, I've got an x88! ;-P |
| 04:41.26 | levi_home | http://www.vintage-computer.com/franklin.shtml |
| 04:42.15 | levi_home | The users's manual came with full schematics for the board. It was awesome. |
| 04:42.32 | mheath[laptop] | haha.."Current value: $10-$200"...sad |
| 04:42.53 | levi_home | It was incompatible with ProDOS when Apple released it, though. |
| 04:43.14 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: yeah, no one does that anymore. My dad tried to order a service manual for our UPS that just died (hes a capable electrician)...told them over the phone that he wanted a "Service Manual".....they sent him an owners manual. |
| 04:43.48 | levi_home | They haven't done that for years. |
| 04:44.16 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: Apple DOS? I thought early Apples used 6800 processors....that says it had a Commodore 6502. |
| 04:44.29 | mheath[laptop] | *Motorola 6800 |
| 04:46.26 | levi_home | Nope, Motorola 6502 for the Apple IIe. |
| 04:46.40 | mheath[laptop] | 6502? I must be losing my mind.. |
| 04:48.51 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: I can't find 6502.... |
| 04:50.03 | levi_home | The 6502 was based on the 6800; perhaps it was created after 1979. |
| 04:50.51 | levi_home | http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/foldoc/68/0.htm |
| 04:51.15 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: I doubt it. By 1979, they had the 68000. Even the 6800 was obsolete. |
| 04:53.50 | mheath[laptop] | mheath[laptop]: OH |
| 04:54.07 | mheath[laptop] | "An eight-bit microprocessor designed by MOS Technologies around 1975 and made by Rockwell." |
| 04:54.12 | mheath[laptop] | Not made by Motorola. |
| 04:54.21 | levi_home | Hmm, yeah. |
| 04:55.05 | levi_home | Created by ex-Motorola engineers, though. |
| 04:56.46 | mheath[laptop] | Thats interesting.....I was always under the impression that the Apple-1 and Apple ][ used the 6800 |
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| 04:57.05 | mheath[laptop] | apparently they dropped the 6800 for the far cheapter but nearly compatible MOS 6502 |
| 04:57.11 | mheath[laptop] | *cheaper |
| 04:58.34 | levi_home | The 6502 was released in Sept 1975 for $25. |
| 04:58.53 | mheath[laptop] | yeah. 6800 was earlier, but $175. |
| 04:58.53 | levi_home | At the time, the 6800 and 8080 were selling for $179. |
| 04:59.08 | mheath[laptop] | I still think its a pity that motorola stopped making processors :( |
| 04:59.16 | mheath[laptop] | The 68000 was vastly superior to the 8088 |
| 04:59.51 | mheath[laptop] | It was internally 32bit, too...meaning it would have been easy to extend to a full 32 bit arch |
| 05:01.04 | mheath[laptop] | 24 bit address bus |
| 05:01.07 | levi_home | Their CPUs are now developed and sold by Freescale. |
| 05:01.45 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: yeah, but they're specialty CPUs for embedded systems. |
| 05:02.01 | mheath[laptop] | mostly direct and poor continuations of the 68000 line, which still rocks for embedded systems. |
| 05:02.21 | mheath[laptop] | Intel didn't get the same size address bus until the 286.. |
| 05:02.57 | levi_home | And later chips in the 68k series were 32 bit. |
| 05:03.55 | mheath[laptop] | The 68000 instruction set is nice. Really designed for high level programming languages. |
| 05:04.23 | mheath[laptop] | The following table compres the anticipated execution of a test program on various 68... type processors and offers a good perspective of the relative performance capabilities. |
| 05:04.44 | mheath[laptop] | Processor - Number of Instructors Needed - ROM bytes - Execution Time - Relative Execution Time for Large Array |
| 05:05.09 | mheath[laptop] | MC6800 - 45 - 63 - 107 + N - 1.0 |
| 05:05.25 | mheath[laptop] | MC6801 - 26 - 34 - 65 + 33N - 1/2 |
| 05:05.45 | mheath[laptop] | MC6809 - 13 - 24 - 28.5 + 11.5N - 1/5 |
| 05:06.02 | mheath[laptop] | MC68000 - 10 - 28 - 18.5 + 2.25N - 1/25 |
| 05:06.42 | levi_home | What do you mean when you say 'designed for high level programming languages'? |
| 05:06.56 | levi_home | As I recall, the 68k had a fairly human-friendly asm language. |
| 05:07.48 | mheath[laptop] | levi_home: the instruction set was extended with a lot of instructions that help high level programming languages. Earlier instruction sets had been mostly limited to math processing and basic data manipulation. |
| 05:08.54 | mheath[laptop] | "It departs from the conventional M6800 instructionset with 61 new instructions distinctly designed to support structured, high-level languages. Most of the instructions operate on bytes, words, and long words, and can use any of 14 available adressing modes." |
| 05:10.34 | levi_home | It looks like the ColdFire is the closest chip they currently make to the old 68k line. |
| 05:13.32 | mheath[laptop] | I just think Motorola had a lot of potential, had they chosen to agressively participate in the desktop processor market. |
| 05:15.56 | mheath[laptop] | why is microsoft starting to call some of their patches / bugfixes "technical refreshes" |
| 05:15.57 | mheath[laptop] | ? |
| 05:16.45 | levi_home | Nah, the game had already gone to x86, and the embedded systems market sells a lot more chips. |
| 05:17.34 | mheath[laptop] | Dear Beta User, Discover the latest refresh to the 2007 Microsoft(R) Office system Beta. We've listened to your feedback and have developed a technical refresh with significant performance improvements and redesigns to address your needs and to enhance your user experience. |
| 05:17.57 | mheath[laptop] | I feel so...refreshed. |
| 05:18.16 | nick125 | fix one bug, create two more |
| 05:18.55 | mheath[laptop] | nick125: Isn't it past your bedtime? |
| 05:19.02 | nick125 | mheath[laptop]: probably ;) |
| 05:19.44 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm, I find you much more agreeable than Sargun. |
| 05:20.31 | Sargun | ok. |
| 05:20.52 | levi_home | It's past my bedtime. :/ |
| 05:20.59 | levi_home | My legal move generator appears to be working, though. |
| 05:22.07 | levi_home | Now I just need to make a board evaluator, hook it up to my search algorithm, and see if I can beat my random player. :) |
| 05:26.56 | mheath[laptop] | goodnight, everyone. |
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| 13:38.47 | graphyx | redbeard1: Did you get your mysql things solved? |
| 13:38.55 | redbeard1 | graphyx: i did, thanks man |
| 13:39.15 | graphyx | I would have though that in order to enforce both columns to be unique you could just assign both columns as the primary key. |
| 13:39.30 | redbeard1 | and that's what i ended up doing |
| 13:40.39 | graphyx | Oh, then my solution would have worked. |
| 13:40.44 | graphyx | sorry I didn't speak up. |
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| 13:40.48 | redbeard1 | s'okay |
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| 13:40.53 | graphyx | Not that I consider myself to be a mysql pro. |
| 13:41.05 | graphyx | I just manage to get by with what I do. |
| 13:42.39 | redbeard1 | i'd done it before, i just needed to remember how |
| 13:43.00 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, even tho it was exactly what i wanted, it didn't work out how i wanted |
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| 13:44.38 | redbeard1 | the idea was to make mysql enforce that for me, so that i didn't have to waste another hit per record just to check it myself |
| 13:45.17 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, when you tell DBI to go against the rules and it can't, it doesn't just ignored it... it dies and takes the rest of the program with it. |
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| 13:45.28 | graphyx | ouch. |
| 13:45.36 | graphyx | Did the primary key thing enforce it in the end? |
| 13:45.39 | graphyx | like you wanted? |
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| 13:45.43 | redbeard1 | it did |
| 13:45.52 | graphyx | Good. |
| 13:46.21 | redbeard1 | but i'm thinking now i'm gonna have to put the insert into an eval, or figure out how to get DBIx::SQLEngine to do a REPLACE instead of an INSERT |
| 13:47.17 | graphyx | so in a single query you want it to either insert or update? |
| 13:47.25 | graphyx | ie.. update record it exists already? |
| 13:48.28 | redbeard1 | well, there's not really anything to update... if it already exists, i just want to ignore it |
| 13:48.40 | graphyx | Oh.. |
| 13:48.45 | graphyx | Just do an insert. |
| 13:48.58 | graphyx | If there is already a record it will fail with no harm down. |
| 13:49.02 | graphyx | s/down/done/ |
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| 13:49.06 | redbeard1 | that was my thought |
| 13:49.18 | redbeard1 | unfortunately, dbi does when i try to do that |
| 13:49.57 | graphyx | What language are you using? |
| 13:50.02 | graphyx | perl does that just fine for me. |
| 13:50.02 | redbeard1 | perl |
| 13:50.14 | graphyx | I'll get the code I use for you. |
| 13:50.18 | redbeard1 | thanks man |
| 13:56.58 | goozbach | redbeard1: find someone to take that rack off your hands? |
| 13:57.20 | redbeard1 | goozbach: we had three offers... i don't know if anyone has actually picked it up yet tho |
| 13:58.01 | elg | wow, the netflix contest looks like fun |
| 13:58.09 | elg | ~netflix++ |
| 13:58.15 | goozbach | I won't bother then |
| 13:58.29 | redbeard1 | goozbach: are you planning on being in utah anytime soon? |
| 13:58.36 | goozbach | november |
| 13:58.39 | elg | "If you develop a system that we judge most beats that bar on the qualifying test set we provide, you get serious money and the bragging rights. But (and you knew there would be a catch, right?) only if you share your method with us and describe to the world how you did it and why it works." |
| 13:58.39 | goozbach | a couple of times |
| 13:59.19 | goozbach | I'd have to figure out how to get a big hunk of metal from Magna to Florida |
| 14:00.06 | redbeard1 | yeah, i wouldn't want to do that, certainly |
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| 14:06.52 | levi | Yaaarg. |
| 14:07.02 | graphyx | elg: What is the link to that page? I just want to see what they have. |
| 14:07.10 | elg | http://www.netflixprize.com/index |
| 14:07.33 | levi | So, we have this coffee machine in our break room. You stick little packets in it and it makes beverages with the packets and some insta-hot water. |
| 14:07.45 | redbeard1 | handy |
| 14:07.46 | levi | Or, you can just get the insta-hot water out. |
| 14:07.54 | levi | Which I use for instant oatmeal. |
| 14:08.42 | levi | But I freakin' hate the people who go in and fill their mega-huge insulated mugs from it, because the machine spits out about 8oz of hot water at a time. |
| 14:09.26 | levi | I swear, this guy took 10 minutes of my life filling his stupid mug. |
| 14:11.09 | graphyx | and you just spent 5 minutes more venting over it? |
| 14:11.39 | graphyx | sounds like you are letting the guy get bonus time on you after the fact as well. |
| 14:12.11 | levi | Except I can enjoy my oatmeal while I vent, while I couldn't while I was waiting for him. |
| 14:12.21 | graphyx | That is true. |
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| 14:15.56 | graphyx | tiwula, your handle would be pronounced very similar to Tooela, right? |
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| 14:22.33 | elg | you mean tooele? |
| 14:24.26 | graphyx | yeah |
| 14:24.50 | graphyx | That is one of those words in English that foreigners hate! |
| 14:25.06 | mrpull- | is tooele english? |
| 14:25.08 | graphyx | It's spelling and pronunciation seem to only have a chance correlation. |
| 14:25.13 | elg | i'm sure it's not english |
| 14:25.38 | graphyx | It's not english, but it is utilized in english documents and speech. |
| 14:26.56 | elg | so is sioux and creme brulee |
| 14:27.18 | elg | these are not reasons to hate english, except insofar as english utilizes words from other languages |
| 14:27.58 | levi | It was, apparently, originally named 'Tuilla'. It is unclear exactly where the name came from; it may be derived from a Goshute word/name or a Spanish word of Aztec origin. |
| 14:28.30 | graphyx | I didn't say that they hated englush, rather that they hated those words. |
| 14:28.46 | elg | right |
| 14:28.46 | graphyx | s/englush/english/ |
| 14:29.03 | elg | but there's nothing about english in those words. so it's a french/indian/utahn word that english happens to also use that they hate |
| 14:29.45 | elg | I think we can squareley lay the blame on Utah based on Levi's research. :) |
| 14:30.50 | levi | Utah has it pretty easy as far as hard-to-pronounce names. |
| 14:31.00 | elg | yup |
| 14:31.02 | redbeard1 | for the record, isn't it spelled "Toelle" (two Ls)? |
| 14:31.17 | elg | tooele being a unique but home-grown exception |
| 14:31.25 | elg | levi: unless you take accent into account |
| 14:31.30 | levi | Look at all the weird Indian-derived names in Washington. |
| 14:31.40 | elg | who would think you were supposed to pronounce fork "fark" after all? |
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| 14:31.59 | elg | or the various *ster cities back east |
| 14:32.01 | elg | woocester |
| 14:32.04 | elg | gloucester |
| 14:32.10 | elg | jsmithester |
| 14:32.11 | levi | Heh, crazy Brits. |
| 14:33.01 | elg | redbeard1: nope, it's tooele |
| 14:33.49 | levi | Isn't 'woocester' Worchester? |
| 14:33.55 | elg | you're right |
| 14:34.08 | elg | I was mixing actual pronunciation and spelling in a weird hybrid |
| 14:34.13 | levi | Only it's pronounced 'woostah' |
| 14:34.32 | elg | yup |
| 14:35.20 | jsmith | elgechtershire? |
| 14:35.29 | goozbach | try living in Florida |
| 14:35.34 | goozbach | there |
| 14:35.35 | levi | Pronounced 'elgstah' |
| 14:35.35 | elg | pronounced moosteh |
| 14:35.48 | goozbach | s a large number of native american names |
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| 14:36.13 | elg | -lart jayce |
| 14:36.49 | fozzmoo | Ewwww |
| 14:37.44 | levi | Heh heh. I am immune to that lart. |
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| 14:52.28 | Cleetus | -lart ibot |
| 14:53.24 | goozbach | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15012086/ |
| 14:55.29 | levi | Why it's a bad idea to kill a cop. |
| 14:58.14 | levi | Here's some weirdness: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1474158.ece |
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| 15:00.32 | macnewbold | anyone here use digg.com? gradefix.com just made the home page... |
| 15:02.02 | levi | macnewbold: That something you worked on? |
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| 15:02.47 | macnewbold | yeah, I built it, with idea/design/marketing from a couple of parners |
| 15:02.55 | levi | Cool. :) |
| 15:03.33 | levi | Looks pretty slick. |
| 15:04.23 | Cleetus | nice |
| 15:06.43 | emcnabb | does vm.swappiness=0 completely eliminate swapping, or does it just making swapping the last priority (i.e. free up file buffers and cache before swapping anything to disk)? |
| 15:07.25 | macnewbold | http://digg.com/tech_news/Gradefix_Help_Improve_Your_Grades |
| 15:07.34 | macnewbold | linkage for anyone interested... |
| 15:09.02 | knoppix | macnewbold, thanks for the gradefix link....checking it out.... |
| 15:09.07 | Cleetus | vm.swappiness=0 is the same as swapoff -a |
| 15:09.13 | Cleetus | so it turns it off |
| 15:09.29 | knoppix | macnewbold, are you here a minute? I am running gpart on my SATA drive.I believe my partition table is hose..and just needs to be rebuilt.... |
| 15:09.46 | macnewbold | ah |
| 15:11.23 | emcnabb | Cleetus: hum. I've seen mixed answers from searching around the web |
| 15:11.37 | Cleetus | that's at least with ubuntu |
| 15:11.51 | Cleetus | some may still require swapping and may differ |
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| 15:13.54 | Cleetus | you could always pull the swap partition out of your fstab :-D |
| 15:14.30 | emcnabb | thanks. Just trying to figure out what it exactly does |
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| 15:29.18 | bonez41 | am i visible? |
| 15:29.32 | bonez41 | I booted up with knoppix drive..just not yet sure if I am connected right or not.... |
| 15:30.36 | phinux | I see you. |
| 15:32.59 | Cleetus | sorry..can't see ya |
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| 15:45.42 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
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| 15:51.12 | bonez41 | elg, have any experience using 'gpart' to rebuild a partition table? |
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| 15:54.11 | graphyx | IF the button says do not push... well.. you know.. |
| 15:54.13 | graphyx | don't push it. |
| 15:55.07 | maquis | graphyx: unfortunately, some things aren't that well-labeled |
| 15:57.16 | elg | nope |
| 15:57.37 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 15:58.07 | maquis | -lart elg |
| 15:58.13 | maquis | -lart emcnabb for good measure |
| 15:59.04 | levi | Heh, this looks interesting: http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ |
| 16:00.04 | elg | complete with realistic clicking sounds! |
| 16:00.45 | graphyx | I don't think any virtual keyboard is going to have simulated feel of keys pressing down to veify that the button has been pressed. |
| 16:04.31 | levi | Well, no, it won't feel as nice as a real keyboard, but it will be much lighter and smaller than one. |
| 16:05.03 | levi | Currently I think it's a little too large, as there are folding keyboards that are almost that small. |
| 16:05.11 | levi | But I don't see why it has to be as big as it is. |
| 16:06.01 | maquis | levi: i've always thought that it would be interesting to do with gloves... |
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| 16:06.14 | maquis | i'm not quite sure how it'd work, but it'd be really sweet |
| 16:06.27 | levi | I'm sure that would be possible too, but I'd prefer not to have to put on gloves to type. |
| 16:08.30 | mheath | Well, depending on the resolution that can be drawn, the technology that went into that keyboard thing could be used to make cheap touchscreens |
| 16:09.00 | mheath | Granted, monochrome touchscreens... |
| 16:09.06 | mheath | Kinda like in movies. =P |
| 16:09.23 | mheath | Or is the keyboard imagine entirely hardcoded/static? |
| 16:09.28 | mheath | s/imagine/image/g |
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| 16:11.14 | levi | Beats me, but the implementation in the particular gadget isn't important to the idea. It seems clear that a similar device could make dynamic virtual keyboards and detect 'keypresses' in arbitrary locations within its field. |
| 16:13.33 | elg | levi: my dream is to have a wearable computer embedded in my glasses and be able to type on my leg, eg while in the car or walking/hiking |
| 16:13.52 | levi | elg: That'd be way cool. :) |
| 16:13.55 | elg | i think the click is silly. tactile feedback is much more important than click sounds |
| 16:14.10 | levi | elg: I'm sure the MIT media lab guys have the same dream. |
| 16:14.52 | levi | elg: BTW, what grad schools did you consider, and what criteria did you use to choose one? |
| 16:15.10 | elg | i applied to CMU, UofU, BYU, and NMSU |
| 16:15.23 | elg | got accepted to 3 (guess which one I didn't get :-) |
| 16:15.27 | dilvie | hmm |
| 16:15.56 | levi | CMU? :) |
| 16:15.57 | elg | then went on A) there was a computer music guy here and B) they were offering slightly more money than BYU (and a lot more than UofU) in support, and it's cheaper to live here to boot |
| 16:16.14 | elg | levi: bingo :) |
| 16:16.17 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:16.31 | levi | I wonder if I could get into IU. |
| 16:17.07 | macnewbold | you could try :) |
| 16:17.09 | elg | if I'd wanted to shell out the cash for admissions I could have applied to the other big computer music schools, like stanford, berkley, MIT |
| 16:17.53 | elg | but it probably would have been a waste of money. I don't know that I'd really enjoy grad school at one of those big places to be honest |
| 16:18.00 | levi | They've got Doug Hofstadter, Dan Friedman, and Kent Dybvig. |
| 16:18.55 | elg | I might, but I might not. I can imagine it's more competitive, less personal, and just plain harder. I'm just not as ambitious as most people that go there. meaning I'm just content with less (fame|money|prestige) than they are |
| 16:19.03 | levi | Dan Friedman wrote the textbook that CS330 has used for years, as well as 'The Little Lisper' and other books in the series. Kent Dybvig wrote Chez Scheme. |
| 16:19.23 | levi | Yeah, I'm not super ambitious either. |
| 16:19.26 | elg | I just want to be able to do what I want (research/teach computer science and computer music), and not be somebody's code monkey |
| 16:19.52 | levi | That's my feeling too, though I'm obviously not quite as interested in computer music. |
| 16:19.52 | elg | indiana univ? |
| 16:19.53 | levi | Yup. |
| 16:20.34 | elg | cool. you should also look at this school. we've got several profs here interested in languages, especially declarative languages and logic |
| 16:20.49 | elg | and not every school has a required class on denotational semantic |
| 16:20.50 | elg | s |
| 16:20.54 | levi | I'll take a look. |
| 16:21.17 | dilvie | w00t |
| 16:21.25 | elg | and they jump all over domestic phd students |
| 16:21.31 | levi | UW might be interesting, too. |
| 16:21.42 | elg | dilvie: I like juice. I hate juice |
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| 16:23.28 | dilvie | elg: me too |
| 16:23.36 | elg | stupid thing keeps polluting my itunes library and not cleaning up |
| 16:23.46 | elg | that "delete after so many days" option has yet to do anything |
| 16:23.54 | dilvie | elg: hmm |
| 16:23.57 | dilvie | weird. |
| 16:23.59 | elg | it regularly gets confused and redownloads stuff I already deleted |
| 16:24.00 | dilvie | I hate iTunes |
| 16:24.10 | dilvie | I HATE the iTunes library management |
| 16:24.15 | dilvie | drives me completely batty. |
| 16:24.41 | elg | and sometimes gets confused and says it's downloading something from one podcast that's really from another |
| 16:24.45 | dilvie | elg: does it? I haven't had that problem |
| 16:24.47 | elg | and forces me to use itunes |
| 16:25.02 | dilvie | it doesn't force me to use iTunes |
| 16:25.03 | elg | at least, it won't integrate with another on the mac |
| 16:25.22 | elg | and it opens itunes whenever it downloads something, whether I like it or not |
| 16:25.39 | dilvie | hmm |
| 16:25.45 | dilvie | it doesn't do that to me, either |
| 16:25.55 | elg | all I want is something that will download stuff to a specific filesystem location, organized in subdirectories, and delete stuff that's older than i say |
| 16:25.56 | dilvie | maybe there's a launch player on download option you can turn off? |
| 16:25.58 | elg | that's it. |
| 16:26.26 | elg | I looked. it's probably mostly osx bugs that I'm noticing that they don't see because they don't run osx themselves |
| 16:26.49 | elg | and the UI is insane |
| 16:27.03 | elg | where's the "download marked episodes" button? |
| 16:27.11 | elg | for example. stupid juice |
| 16:27.16 | elg | but it's the best free thing I've found |
| 16:28.14 | levi | Juice is a podcast downloader? |
| 16:30.55 | elg | yeah |
| 16:31.04 | elg | what used to be known as ipodder |
| 16:31.22 | elg | or should I say, the Podcast Downloader formerly known as iPodder |
| 16:31.28 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 16:32.05 | levi | Mmm, Pixies. |
| 16:32.40 | redbeard1 | ooh, pixies. i haven't listened to them for a while. |
| 16:34.40 | levi | redbeard1: Here's a link for you: http://homepages.tesco.net/~janefisk/discworld/discworld.htm |
| 16:34.42 | redbeard1 | hours, at least |
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| 16:34.51 | levi | It's a cake. |
| 16:35.08 | hagna | no it's hagna |
| 16:35.10 | redbeard1 | that's awesome! |
| 16:35.41 | levi | Indeed. :) |
| 16:35.51 | redbeard1 | i need to get into royal icing. i've never played with it before. |
| 16:36.30 | spr | That's a sweet cake |
| 16:37.41 | elg | dilvie: I hate itunes library stuff too. that's why I hate that it messes with it. as if it wasn't already enough of a mess |
| 16:37.53 | elg | I don't often use itunes, but sometimes I do |
| 16:45.58 | mheath | *sigh* |
| 16:46.22 | mheath | I can probably get a raise to $8.50 / hr too.... |
| 16:46.58 | elg | it's either your old job, a new job, or no job |
| 16:50.21 | graphyx | elg: how very logical of you.. |
| 16:50.56 | mheath | I might get paid more, too, as they'd mostly have me working as a host. Hmm. |
| 16:51.19 | levi | Mmm, The Decemberists - The Mariner's Revenge Song |
| 16:51.22 | levi | Such a cool song. |
| 16:55.07 | redbeard1 | levi, you a decemberists fan? |
| 16:55.08 | levi | Yeah. |
| 16:55.41 | redbeard1 | my wife loves them. i haven't had a chance to listen to them yet tho. |
| 16:56.07 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 16:56.10 | mheath | $. |
| 16:56.28 | mheath | I don't want to go back to that place! Argh. |
| 16:58.52 | levi | redbeard1: They've got really smart lyrics with a historical flavor to them, and most songs are telling some sort of story. Mostly sad, tragic, or otherwise terrible. :) |
| 16:59.10 | redbeard1 | levi: the best kind of story |
| 16:59.21 | redbeard1 | happy endings get boring after a while |
| 16:59.30 | redbeard1 | not everything has a happy ending, you know |
| 17:00.08 | levi | redbeard1: The Mariner's Revenge Song is about this kid whose mother was taken advantage of by a sailor, and he grows up and finally gets trapped in the belly of a whale with him, where he tells him his story and... well, the rest is left to the imagination. |
| 17:03.44 | redbeard1 | the name reminds me of when iron maiden put a good chunk of rhyme of the ancient mariner to music. but that's another story entirely. |
| 17:04.48 | redbeard1 | s/rhyme/rime/ |
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| 17:07.01 | redbeard1 | ~lart scothoser |
| 17:07.25 | scothoser | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 17:07.37 | scothoser | ^_^ |
| 17:07.51 | redbeard1 | an eye for an eye, and a lart for a lart |
| 17:11.05 | macnewbold | ~lart digg.com |
| 17:11.14 | macnewbold | they're not getting our story onto the home page yet, and I can't figure out why |
| 17:11.23 | macnewbold | http://digg.com/tech_news/Gradefix_Help_Improve_Your_Grades |
| 17:11.29 | macnewbold | there are stories the same age as ours, |
| 17:11.31 | macnewbold | with fewer diggs |
| 17:11.40 | macnewbold | that are going onto the home page... but not us yet |
| 17:12.25 | billfur | hm |
| 17:12.28 | billfur | has anyone tried that? |
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| 17:13.52 | mheath | macnewbold, "Gradefix must have been designed by some ingenius organizationalists." |
| 17:14.00 | mheath | macnewbold, apparently you're an ingenius organizationalist. |
| 17:14.26 | macnewbold | hehe, well, I'm not to blame for all the design |
| 17:14.32 | TacoJockey | http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/headline_science/T-rex_soft_tissue.html |
| 17:14.48 | macnewbold | I am the programmer who built it, but a lot of the design credit goes to others |
| 17:14.58 | macnewbold | s/a lot/most/ |
| 17:14.58 | mheath | macnewbold, but why did a guy who gave such a positive review give you -2 digs? I don't use digg at all, but isn't that _bad_? |
| 17:15.28 | billfur | hm |
| 17:15.33 | billfur | I guess I'll try it |
| 17:15.51 | graphyx | mheath The -2 is what people think of his comment. |
| 17:16.03 | mheath | ah |
| 17:17.08 | macnewbold | so apparently they disagree with his assessment :) |
| 17:17.23 | macnewbold | I later found out that he's an [overzealous] friend of one of my partners |
| 17:17.35 | mheath | macnewbold, no, they just struggle with pronouncing "ingenius organizationalist". ;-P |
| 17:17.37 | macnewbold | but we've heard similar comments from real [unbiased] users |
| 17:17.56 | billfur | macnewbold, um, someone stole my email address and used it on your service it seems |
| 17:18.02 | redbeard1 | they must be a bunch of uningenious unorganilizationists |
| 17:18.11 | billfur | or not |
| 17:18.13 | billfur | its just a bug =( |
| 17:18.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:18.25 | macnewbold | did you press the "add more classes" button? |
| 17:18.28 | billfur | yeah |
| 17:18.28 | billfur | I did |
| 17:18.31 | macnewbold | or the "Create my account' button? |
| 17:18.35 | macnewbold | yeah, that would be the problem |
| 17:18.48 | macnewbold | it's got somethin weird at the moment |
| 17:18.48 | billfur | well, it opened a new tab in firefox for some reason |
| 17:18.58 | macnewbold | it should go away if you click on the My Gradefix page (index.php) now |
| 17:19.02 | levi | Portishead - Theme from To Kill a Dead Man |
| 17:19.03 | macnewbold | and then come back to the profile |
| 17:19.34 | macnewbold | for some reason it gets stuck thinking you're still trying to create the account, even after it made it for you, so the address is taken by the acct it just made |
| 17:21.00 | mheath | Hmmm. I never used to clean my ears with q-tips or scub my fingernails so thoroughly before I went into the Marine Corps. |
| 17:21.00 | billfur | Is there a way to set up recurring tasks? |
| 17:21.13 | mheath | 2 hours firewatch for a speck of dirt under the corner of your pinky finger == sucks |
| 17:21.34 | scothoser | Man, I am so going to use this phrase today: "I'm happier than a wooden spoon at a spelling bee". |
| 17:21.42 | billfur | or to say "dedicate any remaining time to reading physics" |
| 17:21.43 | macnewbold | billfur: at the moment, not an automatic way |
| 17:21.54 | scothoser | Dilbert: Improving the nonsense level of our country. ^_^ |
| 17:21.57 | redbeard1 | scothoser: you read too many comics, man |
| 17:22.06 | macnewbold | I've been planning to add a way to copy a task by editing it but saving it as a new one |
| 17:22.32 | macnewbold | the task manager though will keep whatever settings you last used, so if you submit a task, then change the due date and submit again, that's an easy way to make it recur |
| 17:23.00 | macnewbold | billfur: if you've got an unfinished reading task, it will dedicate up to 2hrs/day to it |
| 17:23.04 | mheath | macnewbold, what is it programmed in? PHP? |
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| 17:23.19 | macnewbold | yeah, PHP with a MySQL database on a FreeBSD server with Apache |
| 17:23.28 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 17:23.30 | macnewbold | aka FAMP (or LAMP if you don't care about the L part) |
| 17:24.04 | macnewbold | eww |
| 17:24.23 | macnewbold | like trying to use a steamroller as a flyswatter... |
| 17:24.37 | mheath | macnewbold, not really.....Servlets are nice |
| 17:24.45 | mheath | I usually use servlets, not JSP |
| 17:24.51 | macnewbold | hehe, yeah I bet you can do a lot of web stuff in java |
| 17:25.02 | macnewbold | it's just a habit of mine to knock Java every time it comes up |
| 17:25.10 | billfur | hmm |
| 17:25.17 | macnewbold | billfur: problem? |
| 17:25.24 | billfur | If you added more features |
| 17:25.28 | billfur | I'd definately pay for this |
| 17:25.30 | macnewbold | planning to |
| 17:25.35 | macnewbold | email reminders, |
| 17:25.38 | billfur | RSS |
| 17:25.41 | macnewbold | for premium, TXT message reminders |
| 17:25.52 | macnewbold | .ics feeds for ical, google calendars, etc. |
| 17:25.54 | mheath | macnewbold, JSP isn't that great. JSP is the closest Java comparison to PHP - it's a full language for web development |
| 17:26.07 | macnewbold | thinking about rss, but a little unsure how well it would work |
| 17:26.08 | mheath | macnewbold, I mainly use servlets, which is just fairly raw access to HTTP replies. |
| 17:26.35 | billfur | macnewbold, maybe a rss each day that has a list of the days stuff to do |
| 17:27.03 | macnewbold | yeah, that's about what the email/SMS/TXT reminders would have, |
| 17:27.08 | macnewbold | and the .ics feed would have the same |
| 17:27.18 | macnewbold | so doing RSS too probably wouldn't be too hard |
| 17:27.44 | mheath | Yah, maybe I'll get my money today! |
| 17:27.48 | mheath | Maybe pigs will fly today! |
| 17:28.04 | mheath | (Someone said they were 'scheduled for tomorrow' and that was last thursday....they lied :( ) |
| 17:28.08 | billfur | macnewbold, if you set a "default assignment" by setting studytime high, it dumps 200+ hours or what not into the current day =p |
| 17:28.16 | Supaplex | ouu look, a null modem! lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-10-02 11:20 modem -> null |
| 17:28.18 | Supaplex | :P |
| 17:29.01 | billfur | also, null descriptions are bad =( |
| 17:29.12 | macnewbold | billfur: yeah, if you're not putting in enough study time, you end up with a big backlog |
| 17:29.26 | macnewbold | depends partly on the duedate too |
| 17:29.38 | mheath | ~lart Supaplex |
| 17:29.45 | macnewbold | null descriptions are bad, yes. did it let you put in one with an empty description? |
| 17:29.46 | mheath | Wow. That was kind of direct and violent for a lart. |
| 17:29.49 | billfur | no |
| 17:29.51 | billfur | it didn't. |
| 17:29.53 | billfur | that was my point =p |
| 17:30.25 | macnewbold | good, so it did what you expected by rejecting it? |
| 17:30.34 | billfur | oh, well sometimes you don't need a description |
| 17:30.37 | mheath | "For quality assurance purposes, we need to check your phone number. If your phone number is N - U - L - L, please press 1."\ |
| 17:30.55 | billfur | ~lart mheath |
| 17:31.05 | mheath | I got that message calling Utah Power once. |
| 17:31.11 | billfur | LOL |
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| 17:31.50 | billfur | macnewbold, ever consider taking and make this autoschedule your time too? |
| 17:32.04 | billfur | macnewbold, ala build a schedule around classes freetime etc |
| 17:32.05 | macnewbold | what do you mean? |
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| 17:32.28 | billfur | say, well, you have this much homework, your classes are here, and you get up at time x, this is how you should schedule your day |
| 17:32.31 | mheath | macnewbold, input when your classes are, input when you work, and have it devide the remaining time accordingly. |
| 17:32.40 | macnewbold | we considered it, but we've intentionally stuck to keeping the interface as simple as possible, |
| 17:32.40 | billfur | input when you goof off.. |
| 17:32.57 | macnewbold | so features that would require a lot of complicated user input are on hold for now |
| 17:33.01 | mheath | billfur, or input that you want X hours of freetime a day. |
| 17:33.05 | billfur | yeah |
| 17:33.08 | billfur | well, timings important |
| 17:33.14 | billfur | x hours of freetime is useless if its like at 8 am |
| 17:33.17 | macnewbold | right, we decided to let the user summarize that by saying how much time they can spend studying each day of the week |
| 17:33.30 | macnewbold | sure, we don't care when during the day you do your homework |
| 17:33.36 | macnewbold | just tell us if you ended up doing it or not |
| 17:33.57 | mheath | OMG, macnewbold is going to spy on my homework!!!!!!11111 |
| 17:34.00 | billfur | unless you intend to go to parties at 8am =p |
| 17:34.03 | mheath | OK, I'm done. That won't happen again. I promise. |
| 17:34.39 | mheath | billfur, well, yeah. You could put when during the day you wanted it, and if you wanted it at a lump sum, or divided up as breaks from the homework, etc. |
| 17:34.53 | billfur | complicated, but I'd use it =p |
| 17:35.05 | billfur | keeping track of my homework is (relatively easy) |
| 17:35.17 | billfur | keeping track of my homework while attempting to take over the world (muahahaha) is hard! |
| 17:35.26 | mheath | Hahaha. |
| 17:35.37 | mheath | OK, I'm going to go back to Applebees for a while. I've decided. |
| 17:35.38 | mheath | Hmmm. |
| 17:36.08 | billfur | hm |
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| 17:36.16 | billfur | I bet if I set up "take over the world" as a class.... |
| 17:36.21 | billfur | and then scheduled 8 hours a day.. |
| 17:36.55 | mheath | billfur, but does taking over the world count as university elective credits? |
| 17:37.00 | billfur | unfortunately, no =( |
| 17:37.14 | billfur | I need to find some "rediculously easy" elective credits |
| 17:37.26 | billfur | doesn't matter if they count for geneds, I just need to find credit hours |
| 17:37.32 | mheath | billfur: "Master of the Arts in Taking Over the World" |
| 17:37.46 | graphyx | I think that sounds more like BS to me... |
| 17:37.46 | mheath | haha. |
| 17:38.15 | mheath | graphyx, I thought it would be an art, not a science. It seems that whenever the evil villain tries to make some calculated scientific plan, it fails. |
| 17:38.26 | billfur | well crap. I'm dead then |
| 17:38.27 | mheath | graphyx, Didn't "Pinky and the Brain" ever teach you anything?! |
| 17:40.01 | graphyx | mheath yeah a BA then. |
| 17:40.12 | billfur | macnewbold, I found a bug with the scheduling algorithm |
| 17:40.35 | macnewbold | oh yeah? |
| 17:40.37 | macnewbold | tell me |
| 17:40.58 | billfur | macnewbold, so, I figured I'd schedule everything by giving myself like 8 hours a day and including "take over the world" |
| 17:41.24 | billfur | so I have "take over the world" as work, and "study physics" as reading, both as rediculously high numbers that have no chance of actually finishing. |
| 17:41.30 | macnewbold | right |
| 17:41.39 | Cleetus | Pinky - "I think so, Brain, but where are we gonna find a duck and a hose at this hour?" |
| 17:41.39 | macnewbold | it limits the max amount it tells you to spend on any task on a given day |
| 17:41.42 | billfur | however, except for today, it never uses all 8 hours. |
| 17:41.50 | macnewbold | right |
| 17:41.52 | macnewbold | intentional |
| 17:41.58 | billfur | ah |
| 17:42.21 | macnewbold | for test/quiz study, limit is 1hr/day |
| 17:42.26 | billfur | is it % of the day? |
| 17:42.31 | macnewbold | reading/homework, 2hrs |
| 17:42.34 | macnewbold | no, per task per day |
| 17:42.35 | macnewbold | brb |
| 17:42.51 | billfur | work is also limited to 2 hours? |
| 17:43.19 | billfur | ah, I see |
| 17:49.21 | graphyx | Gotta love where you find the old emacs versus vi. |
| 17:49.23 | graphyx | "(this practice is known by the rather benign sounding term "pretexting," as though it's the sort of thing one does before firing up emacs or the infinitely better vim). " |
| 17:49.29 | graphyx | http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/416 |
| 17:49.32 | graphyx | ~nudge brac |
| 17:50.05 | Cleetus | vi ftw |
| 17:50.22 | levi | Does anyone here (besides me) prefer emacs to vi? |
| 17:50.59 | billfur | nano! |
| 17:51.12 | Cleetus | anybody prefer pico or ee? :-D |
| 17:51.21 | billfur | nano ~= pico |
| 17:51.43 | Cleetus | right |
| 17:51.57 | billfur | I like nano =( |
| 17:52.08 | billfur | I also have a poor memory *shrug* |
| 17:52.15 | billfur | some would say there is a correlation. |
| 17:52.53 | levi | emacs has some nifty features that help you remember things. |
| 17:53.15 | graphyx | I use nano to cut paste text from windows. |
| 17:53.30 | graphyx | Vi does something weird and continaully adds spaces at the front of the line. |
| 17:53.32 | levi | All commands have long names, and you can invoke them by their long names. When you do, it will tell you what key it's bound to. |
| 17:53.40 | graphyx | So I copy into the file with nano and then fire up vi. |
| 17:53.53 | graphyx | (IF anyone knows how to fix that, I would appreciate the help) |
| 17:53.55 | levi | It also has an apropos command, to help you find the command you want. |
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| 17:55.28 | graphyx | hey hey hey, |
| 17:55.42 | graphyx | who's Lord of Catan this week? |
| 17:56.17 | Cleetus | I'll claim it :-D |
| 17:57.29 | mheath | "Do the right thing even if it means dying like a dog when no one's there to see you do it." |
| 17:59.26 | graphyx | I don't think that is one quote that will make it into conference next year. |
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| 18:08.12 | findlay | ~lart windows |
| 18:10.19 | findlay | ~nuke windows |
| 18:10.23 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at windows ... B☢☢M! |
| 18:10.36 | findlay | ~eliminate windows |
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| 18:10.54 | mheath[laptop] | graphyx: but it is a good quote. |
| 18:10.59 | findlay | ~bzfrag windows |
| 18:11.01 | ibot | ACTION squishes windows with a steamroller |
| 18:11.20 | findlay | ~Tene windows |
| 18:28.57 | findlay | graphyx: :set nopaste |
| 18:29.38 | findlay | I have 'set pastetoggle=<F8>' in my ~/.vimrc |
| 18:29.44 | findlay | pretty sweet |
| 18:30.25 | findlay | see hans.fugal.net/vim/vimrc_hans |
| 18:34.30 | graphyx | findlay: Really? |
| 18:34.36 | graphyx | what does that toggle do? |
| 18:36.52 | graphyx | I put that one together, but I used nano to paste it. |
| 18:36.56 | graphyx | hopefully for the last time. |
| 18:40.10 | levi | pastetoggle makes it so vim doesn't try to indent things you paste. |
| 18:40.20 | levi | Pastemode, rather. |
| 18:40.29 | levi | And pastetoggle would toggle pastemode on and off. |
| 18:41.30 | goozbach | vimsperts, question for you... |
| 18:43.52 | goozbach | I want to create a range that selects just certian lines. |
| 18:44.07 | goozbach | eg( :1,2,4,6,73s/foo/bar/g |
| 18:44.09 | goozbach | ) |
| 18:44.26 | graphyx | I attempted to use hans vimrc |
| 18:44.35 | graphyx | And it throws a ton of errors. |
| 18:44.42 | graphyx | I updated to the latest vim to make sure that wasn't it. |
| 18:44.44 | graphyx | Any thoughts? |
| 18:45.56 | graphyx | unless -u vimrc.net isn't the proper way of testing a new config. |
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| 18:51.05 | macnewbold | billfur: you still around? when you've got a sec, I'd love to hear your honest opinions on gradefix. I'll probably catch you when I get back from lunch. |
| 18:52.29 | graphyx | findlay: I had the file copied wrong. should have wgot it.. |
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| 18:58.55 | graphyx | findlay: Yeah, that fixed it. |
| 19:01.47 | billfur | macnewbold, I'm logged in pretty much always, so I'll catch you later |
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| 19:04.54 | harleypig | Is there a way to determine, from the commandline, whether or not a database already exists in postgresql? |
| 19:04.56 | mheath[laptop] | "The Heath Computer Products Desk.1 tablet PC is a handheld touchscreen computer (14x10x1 inches) designed to allow the user to conveniently access and edit documents, view websites, use productivity software, and play some games while remaining extremely low cost and light weight. Hardware features include a 15.4 inch widescreen touchscreen display, specialized extension card sockets, USB, 802.11G wireless (with mesh networking |
| 19:04.56 | mheath[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.59 | mheath[laptop] | =) |
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| 19:16.51 | mheath[laptop] | Heh. It's fun looking through my notebook from my engineering class |
| 19:18.12 | mheath[laptop] | I came up with a nice design for a simple, portable, adjustable rope tow line for sledding. |
| 19:18.28 | mheath[laptop] | Something cheap and simple, you could buy and setup in your back yard (if you have a big enough hill) or in the local park.... |
| 19:27.32 | findlay | graphyx: awesome |
| 19:27.36 | findlay | ~vim++ |
| 19:27.44 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 19:28.37 | findlay | graphyx: don't thank me thank elg |
| 19:28.38 | findlay | (: |
| 19:28.56 | graphyx | elg: Thanks for the .vimrc script. |
| 19:29.01 | graphyx | I can thank you both. |
| 19:30.27 | bonez41 | elg has lots of cool tricks up his sleeve... |
| 19:30.41 | graphyx | I know. |
| 19:30.50 | graphyx | That's one of the reasons I like to hang in the channel. |
| 19:31.50 | goozbach | number 1 reason people visit my blog continues to be "women dancing" |
| 19:32.33 | graphyx | What's yet blog? |
| 19:32.45 | ^Migs^ | I hate blogs |
| 19:32.53 | ^Migs^ | thankfully bloggers go to hell |
| 19:32.56 | findlay | yeah they taste too much like hot dogs |
| 19:33.02 | graphyx | goozbach: Number 1 reason people stop visiting your blog comtinues to be "harleypig dancing". |
| 19:33.12 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know what the PLUG/NUPM topics will be this month/ |
| 19:33.21 | goozbach | graphyx: yeah that seems to be the main exit page ?:) |
| 19:33.25 | goozbach | hmm? |
| 19:33.48 | findlay | goozbach: you can use one of the visual modes for intuitive selection, or :help :range, or /join #vim |
| 19:34.03 | rsimpkins | Also, any general feedback regarding plug.org anyone would like to air out? |
| 19:34.22 | findlay | I want my tux watermark to look just like the cake |
| 19:34.30 | findlay | otherwise I'll feel discriminated against |
| 19:34.49 | rsimpkins | findlay: That might be able to be arranged. :) |
| 19:35.18 | mheath[laptop] | rsimpkins: I hate it in every way, I think you need to redo it all, and remember to make use of glittery graphics this time. |
| 19:35.18 | mheath[laptop] | ;-) |
| 19:35.36 | rsimpkins | mheath[laptop]: And lots of <blink>MHEATH ROCKS!!!!</blink |
| 19:35.43 | mheath[laptop] | Yes1 |
| 19:35.46 | mheath[laptop] | *! |
| 19:36.22 | rsimpkins | I'm a little disappointed with how few local companies we have in the list. |
| 19:36.42 | rsimpkins | Surley there are at least two dozen companies that use Linux in Provo/Salt Lake. |
| 19:45.55 | findlay | what kind of package management does cygwin have? |
| 19:48.14 | macnewbold | billfur: I'm almost always logged in too... I'm back now, too |
| 19:54.31 | scothoser | rsunpkins: You can add eBay to the list. They use a Linux server for some of their CS tools. |
| 19:54.57 | scothoser | *rsimpkins. Sorry, typing without my glasses on. |
| 19:58.42 | southsky | scothoser: you could also add it. you have a plug account yet? |
| 19:59.34 | scothoser | I don't, as far as I know. |
| 19:59.50 | redbeard1 | scothoser: you should get one |
| 20:00.02 | graphyx | anyone happen to be selling their gamecube? |
| 20:09.20 | Cleetus | never! :-) |
| 20:12.34 | hagna | anyone know multivariate analysis? |
| 20:20.19 | Robdor | Can anybody here tell me what a kernel protection failure is? |
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| 20:31.37 | rsimpkins | Robdor: I think that is the Linux equivilant of a BSOD. |
| 20:32.04 | rsimpkins | Robdor: Might be related to bad RAM, other bad hardware, poorly written driver/software, or a kernel bug. |
| 20:33.50 | Robdor | hmmmm, maybe I should try switching out RAM then first... |
| 20:34.04 | rsimpkins | Robdor: Do you have memtest avialble? |
| 20:34.09 | Robdor | These Mac XServes are nothing but trouble. |
| 20:34.30 | rsimpkins | Oh, it's a Mac. |
| 20:34.51 | rsimpkins | In that case - all bets are off. :) |
| 20:34.55 | Robdor | :) |
| 20:35.01 | Robdor | memtest is x86 only right? |
| 20:35.06 | rsimpkins | yes |
| 20:35.22 | rsimpkins | Sorry - when people talk problems in here I automatically assume Linux/x86 |
| 20:36.04 | Robdor | I try not to talk about my problems with Mac. This channel needs to remain G rated, and I don't think could garantee that :) |
| 20:37.16 | elg | PG |
| 20:37.28 | elg | G rated is harleypig singing "Part of your world" |
| 20:37.32 | elg | I don't think we want that. |
| 20:38.15 | macnewbold | especially not if he's only wearing a tail and a pair of seashells |
| 20:40.54 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. Read http://plug.org/node/28 . Support your local chapter of Beards over Babies. Keep the channel rated H (for harleypig) |
| 20:43.31 | goozbach | make the bad man stop |
| 20:43.44 | ^Migs^ | that has to be the most inside-reference/joke-ridden topic I've ever seen. |
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| 20:47.43 | levi | elg: The NMSU CS research project pages have some truly awful web design. |
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| 20:48.30 | ^Migs^ | what do you find awful about it? |
| 20:48.59 | elg | you think that's bad? check out the grad student organization (way out of date) pages |
| 20:49.02 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~gradrep/cgi-bin/bryar.cgi |
| 20:50.27 | elg | in general though the CS pages are much better than when I investigated |
| 20:50.31 | elg | they redid the website |
| 20:50.58 | levi | That looks nicer than the Unicron and Unicon pages. |
| 20:51.07 | levi | http://unicon.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:51.15 | levi | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jeffery/vcsc/ |
| 20:52.09 | elg | oh, except for the green text the unicon page doesn't look bad. |
| 20:52.56 | elg | no, not compared to Dr. Pontelli's page |
| 20:52.57 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~epontell/ |
| 20:53.19 | elg | the sad truth is PhDs in Computer Science tend to be really really bad at making websites |
| 20:53.23 | elg | the same was true at BYU |
| 20:53.51 | macnewbold | yeah, it falls outside their skill set, oddly enough |
| 20:53.52 | elg | incidentally, jefferey is leaving for some uni in Idaho |
| 20:54.13 | elg | and Pontelli is an excellent teacher and all-around cool guy from Italy |
| 20:54.20 | levi | Ow, that is bad. |
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| 20:56.22 | levi | elg: Although I find the idea behind Unicron interesting, from the project web page it doesn't look like they've accomplished anything interesting with it. |
| 20:56.35 | elg | honestly I haven't looked at it |
| 20:56.44 | levi | Just poorly re-implemented stuff that's existed in computer games for years. |
| 20:56.56 | tyce | anyone know of a local ubuntu mirror i can grab edgy packages off of? |
| 20:57.01 | elg | there are at least a couple of people doing masters projects involved with it in some way |
| 20:57.08 | elg | but I don't even really know what it's all about |
| 20:57.11 | Tene | Anyone know how i can determine the charset of a document? |
| 20:57.24 | levi | elg: It's an online collaborative environment. |
| 20:57.26 | elg | Tene: guess |
| 20:58.18 | Tene | Trying to parse rss feeds with perl's XML::Parser. It's crashing on the current digg feed because of an é |
| 20:58.29 | elg | here's another beaut |
| 20:58.30 | elg | http://faculty.cs.byu.edu/~dennis/ |
| 20:58.31 | levi | The Croquet project is already way farther along. |
| 20:58.48 | Tene | Because the current digg feed doesn't have any charset information, so XML::Parser presumes it's UTF-8 |
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| 21:00.12 | elg | crashing seems a little extreme |
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| 21:00.57 | Tene | not well-formed (invalid token) at line 343, column 255, byte 23424 at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/XML/Parser.pm line 187 |
| 21:01.09 | Tene | It dies with death! |
| 21:02.07 | bonez41 | if I had my / folder on a different drive......along with my mbr....but all the rest on an SATA drive...how can I move / over to the SATA drive so I can get it to boot up? |
| 21:02.26 | elg | why can't you just put the old drive back in? |
| 21:04.35 | bonez41 | well, I guess that's an option...at some point I want to NOT have that drive, in or have to depend on it as it is old and runs really HOT.... |
| 21:05.01 | bonez41 | at this point, I am not sure if / is still intact on that drive now anyway...... |
| 21:05.47 | bonez41 | it is a noisy old 8 gb drive.....and whined like a Porsche engine (although not as sweet but far less expensive) when it powered up.......so that's why I have wanted to eliminate it |
| 21:06.41 | bonez41 | I guess it really doesn't matter where root (/) is in my drive, does it, as long as I can have grub's menu.lst point to is accurately and find it at boot time? |
| 21:07.31 | bonez41 | I thought my drive was toast, but I ran gpart -W /dev/sda /dev/sda and it wrote the partition table back as it was before....though the MBR still needs to be massaged by grub-install or setup so that it will boot up |
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| 21:12.16 | bonez41 | elg, other than reinstalling the old drive? |
| 21:13.26 | elg | if you want to move / you can do that |
| 21:13.39 | elg | the easiest way I think is with tar |
| 21:13.53 | elg | but you can use rsync or cp if you're careful |
| 21:14.18 | elg | but did you work around your booting problem? you using a floppy? cdrom? |
| 21:16.23 | bonez41 | well, I have booted the system up with a grub boot disk..... |
| 21:17.42 | bonez41 | I could run knoppix on it as well...but I have a grub prompt....I run grub > root (hd0,0) to point it to the SATA drive...... and the > kernel /boot/win4lin (my kernel I wish to load) and then I follow that same line with 'root=/dev/hde' or 'root=/dev/hda' |
| 21:18.52 | bonez41 | doesn't matter what.....it gives a kernel panic after a minute...saying "VFS cannot open root device "sda1" or "hde" at block 0,0 Please append a correct "root=" to boot option.... |
| 21:19.10 | bonez41 | I know a successfull boot is just a keystroke away........ |
| 21:19.50 | mrpull_ | bonez41: it seems this issue has plagued you for a long time. why not get a new machine? |
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| 21:20.35 | bonez41 | mrpull-_, oh sure...I'll just grab a new killer machine..and oh, drop by the Mercedes dealership and grab a new ride...and why not a new house too...just for fun... |
| 21:20.49 | bonez41 | mrpull-_, I'll get a new machine...in a few weeks, once I have this one revived.... |
| 21:21.24 | mrpull_ | bonez41: what are the specs of the machine you are tweaking? |
| 21:21.31 | bonez41 | mrpull-_, I'd not be sitting here...if that was the answer.I have data on this drive that I must access.......that's why my struggle..but I promise to take the problem elsewhere....once resolved... |
| 21:22.03 | mrpull_ | bonez41: i'm certainly not saying go away. just implying that it sounds like a second machine could help the situation. |
| 21:22.13 | bonez41 | it's an ancient machine...not worth even mentioning....but it's serve me well, despite it's age and slowness.....once it's running and my data is backed up..I will retire this to just running asterisk or being a print server |
| 21:22.25 | bonez41 | mrpull-_, a second machine would indeed help and I plan to get one soon |
| 21:23.07 | bonez41 | sorry to whine about this here...I am sure I am annoying others....Hans is simply not the annoyable type, I guess...he's just very very patient.....and methodical...... |
| 21:23.52 | bonez41 | I should boot up knoppix on that machine....so I could play with grub and such...on the same machine.... |
| 21:26.21 | elg | it sounds like your kernel doesn't have what it needs to access your root compiled into it |
| 21:26.37 | bonez41 | elg, perhaps...... |
| 21:26.42 | elg | do you have the relevant SATA stuff and scsi disk stuff and the right filesystem and all that compiled into your kernel? |
| 21:27.31 | elg | you need root=/dev/hde1 or root=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:27.45 | bonez41 | elg, not sure if I have it all in there or not..all I know it is ran fine for about 2 years ..or at least 18 months...as it was.... |
| 21:27.48 | elg | where you replace with the correct partition, e.g. if your / is on /dev/hde3 |
| 21:28.00 | elg | did it access the sata drive? |
| 21:28.20 | elg | if so it's possibly you need to compile in what was just a module before. or futz with ramdisks |
| 21:28.28 | elg | initial ramdisks that is |
| 21:28.30 | elg | but I don't do that |
| 21:29.50 | bonez41 | root (hd tab sees the drive..yes..... |
| 21:30.10 | elg | ok, so grub can |
| 21:30.14 | elg | but your kernel also needs to |
| 21:30.21 | bonez41 | I finally got it to run root (hd0,0) and then setup (hd0,0) and then quit and rebooted.....the grub prompt came up...... |
| 21:30.35 | bonez41 | it's trying to boot up now.....no kernel panic yet |
| 21:30.46 | elg | good! that's nice |
| 21:30.55 | bonez41 | it might be booting up finally...... |
| 21:31.02 | elg | now it's just a matter of getting the right kernel and grub config |
| 21:31.09 | bonez41 | freeing unused kernel memory....256k freed |
| 21:31.10 | elg | is hd0,0 your sata drive? |
| 21:31.16 | bonez41 | just going slowly.... |
| 21:31.27 | bonez41 | yeah, hd0,0 is my sata drive..it's only drive in there now... |
| 21:31.40 | bonez41 | it's just sitting there at that last line |
| 21:33.04 | bonez41 | hmm yeah, just stuck on that command now...just blinking cursor....weird....I tell ya |
| 21:33.07 | mheath[laptop] | do stores sell individual DVD-Rs at all? |
| 21:33.33 | Tene | smallest quantity I've seen is 10, I believe |
| 21:34.05 | bonez41 | elg, I guess this is farther than just a kernel panic.....but it's not X yet...... |
| 21:35.55 | bonez41 | elg, I get the following last 4 lines: knournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds | EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. | VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. | Freeing unused kernel memory: 256k freed | it ends at that point......with a blinking cursor |
| 21:36.18 | elg | hmm |
| 21:36.30 | elg | dunno |
| 21:36.36 | bonez41 | so it's progressing..and apparently my 'win4lin' kernel doesn't need initrd...... |
| 21:36.45 | bonez41 | ok...I'll boot up again and see what I can find |
| 21:36.55 | elg | is that really / |
| 21:36.56 | elg | ? |
| 21:36.58 | elg | did you copy it over? |
| 21:37.08 | elg | it does look like you have a working kernel and grub |
| 21:37.18 | elg | the real question now is whether init is working |
| 21:37.34 | bonez41 | when I gave it three fingers..it said md stopping all devices...... |
| 21:37.47 | elg | so the kernel wasn't frozen |
| 21:37.57 | elg | is this the same kernel you've always used? |
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| 21:39.27 | bonez41 | elg, during boot screen, it notes the drive as "hde: SAMSUNG SP0812C, ATA DISK drive....... |
| 21:39.35 | bonez41 | not as hda......nor as sda...... |
| 21:40.09 | bonez41 | just before that it displays the SATA controller output...... |
| 21:41.05 | bonez41 | at one point it lists hde and the various parameters..I still think it's where i am telling it to find root that is at issue.... |
| 21:41.06 | bonez41 | back later |
| 21:43.38 | elg | well, it mounted _a_ partition as root. and it didn't complain that it couldn't find init |
| 21:43.44 | elg | so that means it probably mounted your root partition |
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| 23:20.21 | Tene | I have an MS wireless mouse that uses a weird IR reciever via USB |
| 23:20.24 | Tene | it's kinda old, though |
| 23:24.30 | findlay | haha |
| 23:29.15 | findlay | those old fuel injectors ought to be clean now |
| 23:35.10 | mheath | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Alfred_Tennyson <-- Hmm, thats a horribly incomplete list of poems. |
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