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| 00:48.24 | findlay | ~hug gentoo |
| 00:48.25 | ibot | ACTION hugs gentoo |
| 00:49.16 | nick125 | ~hug gentoo too |
| 00:49.18 | ibot | ACTION hugs gentoo too |
| 00:49.18 | nick125 | :) |
| 01:09.03 | findlay | ~gentoo |
| 01:09.04 | ibot | rumour has it, gentoo is different than debian http://www.gentoo.org/, or |
| 01:09.19 | emcnabb | ~lart findlay |
| 01:09.23 | findlay | ibot: gentoo is also the one true distro |
| 01:09.25 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 01:09.58 | findlay | emcnabb: you've just been poisend by too much RHEL and SLES |
| 01:10.45 | Ash | yuck |
| 01:15.01 | emcnabb | I learned after three years of Gentoo that it was not the right distro for me |
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| 01:21.08 | findlay | emcnabb: it's OK. We haven't given up on you yet. |
| 01:22.04 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 01:23.01 | findlay | emcnabb: what kinds of things do you expect from a distro then? |
| 01:30.11 | emcnabb | I want it to just work |
| 01:30.35 | emcnabb | I like portage, but it seemed to get more and more buggy |
| 01:31.13 | emcnabb | things took too long to install, even on my fast machine |
| 01:31.25 | maquis | emcnabb: you tried fbsd? |
| 01:31.38 | emcnabb | yes, but it was a while back |
| 01:32.08 | maquis | i think there's something to be said for the fact that i've had fewer problems with fbsd than with most linux distros so far... |
| 01:32.25 | emcnabb | maquis: you have problems with everything :-) |
| 01:32.38 | maquis | there are some things that just don't quitework yet, but for the most part, the important stuff works pretty well :) |
| 01:32.42 | maquis | emcnabb: exactly :) |
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| 01:34.16 | emcnabb | I learned quite a bit from Gentoo, but it felt like it required too much tinkering |
| 01:34.34 | emcnabb | I'm glad I used it, but I'm glad I'm done |
| 01:34.42 | maquis | :) |
| 01:35.09 | herlo | emcnabb: I agree, its good to know the inner workings, but you don't need to do it every day if you don't need it.... |
| 01:35.25 | emcnabb | herlo: exactly |
| 01:36.07 | herlo | I mean emerge is nice too, and that takes some of the guesswork out of it once you have installed a stage tarball.... |
| 01:36.15 | herlo | and even the stage3 is pretty easy |
| 01:37.04 | emcnabb | I was never convinced about some of the benifits of Gentoo though; a good example is compiler optimizations. The system seemed to be about the same speedwise with other distros |
| 01:37.06 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, you left gentoo! |
| 01:37.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh god! |
| 01:37.14 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: long ago |
| 01:37.20 | emcnabb | well, about a year ago |
| 01:37.26 | herlo | but why do everything like that unless you are looking for good performance or real specific hardware |
| 01:37.36 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: don't loose the Gentoo faith |
| 01:37.43 | xbmodder_lappy | I really like the fact in gentoo that you click a button and it works... |
| 01:37.53 | xbmodder_lappy | At least package installation works that way |
| 01:37.55 | emcnabb | I did like USE flags |
| 01:37.58 | emcnabb | well, most of the time |
| 01:38.15 | herlo | its nice to have the flexibility though, that's true |
| 01:38.16 | emcnabb | there were many times when things didn't work because I forgot to compile with some option |
| 01:38.33 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 01:38.52 | herlo | and its still very configurable |
| 01:38.54 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: I've found that with Fedora Extras, MOST of the packages I need are available |
| 01:39.10 | emcnabb | which is one of the main reasons I liked portage |
| 01:39.38 | herlo | mmm, portage.... |
| 01:39.43 | herlo | <homer> |
| 01:39.54 | findlay | carrying your canoe across land? |
| 01:40.12 | emcnabb | I'm running Ubuntu on my wife's laptop; I've had some problems, but over it has worked pretty well |
| 01:40.42 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.48 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 01:41.01 | herlo | I bet that was part of the problem... |
| 01:41.14 | emcnabb | it's amazing though to see the state of Linux (Linux distros) compared to several years ago |
| 01:41.30 | emcnabb | herlo: yeah |
| 01:41.51 | emcnabb | it was no more of a problem than I usually have with any other random distro |
| 01:42.21 | emcnabb | well all, I'm off to the pool |
| 01:42.23 | emcnabb | have a good evening |
| 01:42.24 | herlo | yeah, RH4.2 and 5.1 were my first Linux Oses, I remember configuring X by hand and running ./configure; make; make install for everything and then having to tweak the configure scripts and sometimes the make files too |
| 01:42.33 | herlo | yeah, how's mexico anyway.... |
| 01:42.37 | herlo | punk! |
| 01:42.37 | emcnabb | herlo: it was very painful |
| 01:42.56 | herlo | ~cook emcnabb in the sun |
| 01:42.58 | ibot | ACTION throws emcnabb in the sun in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks emcnabb in the sun on 350 for an hour |
| 01:43.09 | findlay | heh, I learned that way too, mostly because I didn't know any better |
| 01:43.20 | emcnabb | it's going pretty well; the problem is there are 3 girls (friend of the family, mom, and wife), which means there is too much shopping |
| 01:43.23 | herlo | findlay: its definitely a good way to learn something |
| 01:43.24 | findlay | although it made me less afraid of goiing after the source |
| 01:43.34 | emcnabb | "oh look, another pottery stand! lets stop!" |
| 01:43.38 | herlo | emcnabb, just stay home and go to the beach |
| 01:43.43 | findlay | I've helped fix a lot of (simple) bugs that way |
| 01:43.55 | herlo | take the men and play some beach football or frisbee |
| 01:44.33 | herlo | or soccer |
| 01:44.40 | findlay | then I learned about the goodness of .spec files and that most tarballs had them |
| 01:44.49 | findlay | then about auto dependencies |
| 01:44.50 | emcnabb | herlo: the problem is I'm THE man on the trip; the friend of the family's husband had to fly to Utah for work, and my dad stayed at home to work |
| 01:45.59 | herlo | ahh, so just be a bum and let them go, stay by the pool with a nice (virgin or not) margarita and enjoy the sun, sand and surf. Let the women go spend money and worry about it when you get back....its better if you don't know... |
| 01:46.37 | emcnabb | everything is very cheap here, so she's bought a lot of home decorations |
| 01:46.46 | emcnabb | I'm not sure how we're going to get everything home |
| 01:46.50 | herlo | hope you have enough luggage |
| 01:47.00 | herlo | leather stuff is probably cheap too |
| 01:47.06 | herlo | just buy a new set |
| 01:47.15 | emcnabb | haha |
| 01:47.22 | herlo | emcnabb, have fun at the pool |
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| 01:53.56 | findlay | I think USE flags are the cruftiest part of Gentoo |
| 01:54.18 | xbmodder_lappy | why do you say that? |
| 01:54.44 | findlay | because they are clumsy |
| 01:55.21 | findlay | I'm not saying it's a bad idea, it's just really hard to manipulate and stay on top of them |
| 01:56.30 | findlay | there are so many of them that it encourages people to just leave the defaults instead of laboriously grep through /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc |
| 01:56.53 | findlay | and add flags by hand in /etc/make.conf |
| 01:57.02 | findlay | it's just ugly |
| 02:26.21 | atoponce | but findlay, it's 1337! :) |
| 02:27.10 | findlay | atoponce: only if you use ed |
| 02:27.12 | findlay | (: |
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| 02:27.58 | atoponce | true that. good ole ed |
| 03:09.22 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
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| 03:11.42 | goozbach | and /me goes to bed |
| 03:11.45 | goozbach | gee it's late |
| 03:12.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Imagine if there was some sort of virtual reality system that would intercept the signal between your cornea and your brain... |
| 03:13.50 | findlay | gentoo is the least worst distro for me |
| 03:14.47 | goozbach | if caosity had a bigger base I'd use that |
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| 03:39.57 | findlay | I've read like 1024 megabytes of installation instructions so far |
| 03:40.12 | nick125_ | lol |
| 03:40.24 | nick125_ | rt as in.. |
| 03:42.24 | findlay | rt |
| 03:42.45 | findlay | http://bestpractical.com/rt |
| 03:54.42 | nick125 | oh that RT |
| 03:54.42 | nick125 | yeah |
| 03:54.53 | nick125 | I think theres 3.5GB of installation instructions |
| 03:54.53 | xbmodder_lappy | Does linux support system migration |
| 03:55.01 | nick125 | o.0 |
| 03:55.04 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: did you amsg that? |
| 03:55.14 | xbmodder_lappy | Well, I know it does... but live system migrations |
| 03:55.19 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, yeah... |
| 03:55.21 | findlay | no, of course not. Linux doesn't even support anything |
| 03:58.09 | findlay | haha |
| 04:05.53 | levi | findlay: going? |
| 04:06.05 | QBFreak | insanity is FUN! |
| 04:12.31 | findlay | my roomate and his girlfriend are laying all over each other in the living room |
| 04:12.39 | findlay | it's making me angry |
| 04:12.46 | findlay | I should kick them out |
| 04:12.50 | QBFreak | I bet if you join in, they'd stop |
| 04:13.05 | findlay | QBFreak: doesn't work |
| 04:13.11 | findlay | I've tried |
| 04:13.37 | xbmodder_lappy | what were the results? |
| 04:13.38 | QBFreak | you've tried laying all over them and they still don't stop? |
| 04:13.57 | findlay | no, I tried going into the same room and they don't care |
| 04:14.06 | findlay | unfortunately, I do |
| 04:14.17 | xbmodder_lappy | I'd go for QBFreak's idea |
| 04:14.24 | QBFreak | the idea is to make them even more uncomfortable than they make you |
| 04:15.08 | levi | I'll bet if you walked into the other room in your underwear with some cheetos, turned on the TV, and crunched loudly, they'd probably leave. |
| 04:15.12 | findlay | what if I made them configure rt+oracle+sendmail oooohh, they'd hate that |
| 04:15.16 | QBFreak | heh |
| 04:15.33 | findlay | all on LFS |
| 04:16.23 | findlay | I'll just turn on Berlioz really loud |
| 04:16.24 | QBFreak | with nothing but the linux equivalant of "copy con file.txt" |
| 04:16.46 | levi | findlay: Put on some John Cage works for prepared piano. |
| 04:17.05 | findlay | levi: now I wouldn't be able to withstand that |
| 04:17.23 | levi | C'mon, they're kind of cool. |
| 04:17.28 | findlay | haha |
| 04:17.50 | levi | I downloaded some bizarre stuff from emusic.com when I was a member. |
| 04:19.25 | findlay | ~sober QBFreak |
| 04:19.26 | ibot | ACTION shoves a liter of aspirin down findlay's throat. |
| 04:19.43 | QBFreak | I'm not drunk :p |
| 04:19.58 | QBFreak | I believe the appropriate term is "sugar high" |
| 04:20.02 | levi | Kronos Quartet - Black Angels ought to scare them off, too. |
| 04:20.08 | QBFreak | skittlses are your frieeend |
| 04:21.01 | levi | QBFreak: Freak |
| 04:21.18 | QBFreak | levi: I know, isn't it cool? |
| 04:22.04 | levi | C'mon, you need some truly scary music to get rid of them. |
| 04:22.38 | QBFreak | Weird Al's Party at the Leper Colony! |
| 04:22.56 | levi | No, that's just bad, even for Al. |
| 04:22.57 | QBFreak | "Who's that in the hot tub? Oh thats just Stu" |
| 04:23.33 | findlay | I don't have anything scary |
| 04:23.41 | QBFreak | the Barney theme? |
| 04:23.44 | QBFreak | that's scary |
| 04:24.09 | findlay | maybe Orff's Carmina Burana would be apropos |
| 04:24.56 | levi | Oh Fortuna is actually a little scary. |
| 04:25.08 | levi | But it's too familiar. |
| 04:27.05 | levi | It's too bad you don't have access to my music collection. I've got a few scary ones I've put to good effect in aural warfare with roommates. |
| 04:27.14 | levi | Like Pop Will Eat Itself - Kick to Kill |
| 04:28.33 | levi | And then I've got a CD with a Rammstein cover of a Depeche Mode track. |
| 04:32.31 | levi | Mmmm, Aphex Twin has some pretty scary tracks. |
| 04:32.42 | levi | Like Come to Daddy. The video to that is downright freaky. |
| 04:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 04:33.43 | ScytheBlade1 | A free copy of Visual Studio 2005 Standard just arrived in my mailbox |
| 04:34.05 | levi | How come? |
| 04:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.learn2asp.net/ |
| 04:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Watch three webcasts, and they give you a copy... |
| 04:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "watch" is relative |
| 04:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | "Click on the link" is more accurate |
| 04:34.55 | levi | Huh. |
| 04:35.12 | levi | Well, if I wanted Visual Studio 2005 Standard, that would be pretty cool. |
| 04:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It took a very long while to get here (>1 month) |
| 04:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten about it, then tada |
| 04:35.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That + MSDN on CDs is now in my hands |
| 04:39.00 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: you should don a robe of the penguin and then on the night of a full moon burn it in a great bonfire chanting: "We will not be subservient to the retro butterfly!" |
| 04:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, good job findlay |
| 04:39.36 | findlay | or something wierd like that |
| 04:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not every day someone leaves me completly unable to respond |
| 04:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | But that... yeah. |
| 04:40.04 | findlay | maybe you could work a lightsaber into it somehow |
| 04:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe |
| 04:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Or... maybe not |
| 05:02.18 | neybar | I hear if you contact AOL they will give you a free CD too. And you don't have to watch any videos... |
| 05:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | *a* free CD? |
| 05:03.41 | neybar | heh |
| 05:03.42 | levi | neybar: What do you mean by contacting them? All you have to do is have an address. |
| 05:04.08 | neybar | sorry, I was trying to work into the previous conversation. |
| 05:05.01 | levi | Anyone play freeciv? |
| 05:05.22 | neybar | I play it on occation |
| 05:05.54 | levi | I downloaded it a few days ago and started it up, but I've forgotten how to play civilization. |
| 05:06.27 | neybar | the two are just different enough that it won't matter anyway. |
| 05:07.08 | neybar | night |
| 05:50.32 | findlay | I would never touch a Microsoft CD on purpose ever again |
| 06:05.33 | levi | I keep meaning to wear my Visual C++ .net shirt to the next LUG meeting I go to. |
| 06:06.02 | levi | To be all ironic and stuff. |
| 06:07.32 | levi | 'Cause I'm totally po-mo. |
| 06:07.55 | levi | Which makes me so cool. |
| 06:14.11 | levi | Obviously I am tired and not in full posession of my faculties. Time to sleep. |
| 06:17.32 | findlay | ~chop evil proprietary MicroSoft CDs |
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| 06:25.53 | nick125_1appy | findlay: I don't think ibot would want to touch those |
| 06:35.12 | findlay | ~dict effacious |
| 06:36.15 | findlay | ibot: you need to learn some more words |
| 06:36.50 | BL4 | ~learn ibot |
| 06:36.52 | ibot | i heard learn ibot is stupid as shit |
| 06:37.26 | BL4 | findlay: I take it ibot doesn't want to learn |
| 06:37.39 | findlay | ~wash ibot |
| 06:37.46 | findlay | ~soap ibot |
| 06:37.47 | ibot | ACTION washes ibot's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 06:39.17 | maquis | why is scp failing? |
| 06:39.32 | xbmodder_lappy | you broke scp? |
| 06:40.10 | findlay | ~break scp |
| 06:40.28 | SpecialZ | ~spell efficacious |
| 06:40.44 | SpecialZ | ~dict efficacious |
| 06:41.22 | SpecialZ | findlay: you need to learn to spell before you push ibot around |
| 06:41.32 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i don't think i broke it |
| 06:42.18 | findlay | SpecialZ: how did you find the correct spelling? |
| 06:42.23 | SpecialZ | ~lart feds for not giving me all my money back now. |
| 06:42.50 | SpecialZ | Phonics, but the ~spell command just helped in the verification process. |
| 06:43.09 | findlay | what's phonics? |
| 06:43.43 | SpecialZ | and a bit of knowledge about word derivation, since it comes from efficient |
| 06:43.45 | BL4 | ~dict phonics |
| 06:44.53 | findlay | I was trying to figure it out as an adjective form of efficacy |
| 06:45.25 | findlay | I guess I got the syllables wrong |
| 07:12.15 | SpecialZ | from my experience good spelling comes from the familiarity of reading well edited writing. |
| 07:13.02 | SpecialZ | and when you read lots of misspelled stuff, then you can't spell anymore. |
| 07:13.42 | SpecialZ | I also have the spelling corrector plugin running in GAIM, which helps |
| 07:13.52 | BL4 | so irc channels ruin our ability to spell? |
| 07:14.18 | SpecialZ | that was one of the implications I was making |
| 07:14.46 | BL4 | woot |
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| 07:21.30 | BL4 | anyone else enjoy programming half dressed? |
| 07:38.18 | SpecialZ | I also declared my independence by rolling up my sleeping bag and will shortly remove it from the Clyde building. |
| 07:38.34 | SpecialZ | There's always my office in the other building |
| 07:38.46 | SpecialZ | just need to get Linux on one of our computers. . . |
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| 14:31.49 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 14:33.20 | elg | ooh, my replacement laptop power adapter is in town |
| 14:33.36 | elg | now if only my post office doesn't screw it up |
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| 14:42.31 | elg | -lart corey |
| 14:44.19 | corey | ~lart xchat |
| 14:45.48 | harleypig | http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-04-26-closed-park_x.htm |
| 14:45.49 | brac | [USATODAY.com - School sends kids to closed amusement park] |
| 14:45.56 | harleypig | Where's John Candy when you need him? |
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| 14:48.05 | lars-ut | ~emulate MsBitters |
| 14:48.09 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 14:48.12 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! |
| 14:56.07 | harleypig | Why slap them on the wrist with feather when you can belt them over the head with a sledgehammer. |
| 14:56.07 | harleypig | Katharine Hepburn |
| 14:57.12 | lars-ut | good morning! |
| 14:57.39 | jsmith | lars-ut: Good morning! |
| 15:01.29 | lars-ut | my boss wants our comany site redone wth an emphasis on generating leads |
| 15:01.32 | harleypig | converson to what? gold? |
| 15:02.04 | lars-ut | marketing speak for visitors that become clients |
| 15:02.12 | lars-ut | aka sales. |
| 15:02.26 | lars-ut | or revenue. |
| 15:03.47 | elg | did I log onto the wrong channel this morning? |
| 15:04.11 | lars-ut | oh yeah, I almost forgot, we run apache. |
| 15:04.16 | lars-ut | :) |
| 15:04.20 | jsmith | elg: Yes, but it's all a dream... Go back to sleep^H^H^H^H^H your design project |
| 15:12.13 | goozbach | it made me fill dirty |
| 15:12.31 | goozbach | of course I got a nice fat bonus out of it. |
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| 15:17.18 | goozbach | shh! he just joined |
| 15:17.48 | goozbach | sjansen: so I'm doing all my documentation about how I've done things using docbook |
| 15:18.04 | goozbach | and I understand why you re-invented the wheel for xiphias |
| 15:18.12 | sjansen | heh |
| 15:18.58 | goozbach | I'm contemplating giving dax or bryan a call and seeing if the DOH can't license xiphias :) |
| 15:19.24 | goozbach | it'd be super overkill for "procdedural documentaion" |
| 15:19.54 | goozbach | docbook xml is WAY to verbose |
| 15:20.37 | goozbach | are there any other pre-build DTD's out there that are less verbose, but get the same thing done? |
| 15:22.35 | goozbach | Ocean's 13?! |
| 15:22.59 | goozbach | why can't they let that idea DIE!? |
| 15:23.15 | goozbach | answer: cause Hollywood loves money! |
| 15:23.28 | goozbach | "let's remake it" |
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| 15:23.46 | goozbach | "ohh the remake did well... Let's do a sequel!" |
| 15:24.13 | goozbach | "hmm... the sequel didn't do so good... Let's try again with another sequel!" |
| 15:24.15 | herlo | goozbach, I thought remake was the sequel to make |
| 15:24.22 | herlo | ? |
| 15:24.51 | goozbach | personally I like the sequel better |
| 15:24.56 | goozbach | better than the remake |
| 15:25.11 | goozbach | but I didn't like the remake all that much, so it's not saying much |
| 15:26.43 | goozbach | herlo: you may be right |
| 15:26.52 | goozbach | but that's not much different than normal |
| 15:32.36 | ^Migs^ | heh, sequels |
| 15:32.58 | ^Migs^ | Big Momma's House 2 is out on DVD now, I think |
| 15:33.24 | ^Migs^ | there's a movie where a producer was watching the first and just thought, "You know what this movie could REALLY use? A SEQUEL!" |
| 15:34.58 | goozbach | case in point! |
| 15:39.25 | sjansen | Have you considered the possibility that hollywood execs are just vindictive, failed writers? |
| 15:39.55 | sjansen | If something succeeds, they have to stretch it to the point of failure to prove the original idea wasn't so great after all. |
| 15:39.58 | sjansen | Or some junk. |
| 15:41.08 | sjansen | Why are you interested in a "pre-built" DTD? To take advantage of existing rendering tools? |
| 15:41.18 | sjansen | goozbach: Is OOo not good enough? |
| 15:43.29 | goozbach | sjansen: yup |
| 15:43.45 | goozbach | xsltproc and xslfo |
| 15:44.15 | sjansen | Why is OOo not good enough? |
| 15:44.32 | goozbach | cause I can't put docs into baz easier |
| 15:44.41 | goozbach | er easily |
| 15:44.47 | findlay | anybody who's sane wouldn't use a language as verbose as XML for their data structures |
| 15:44.49 | goozbach | or into a RCS |
| 15:45.18 | findlay | now I'm just babbling |
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| 15:47.10 | sjansen | You just mean that diff can't be used with OOo docs. But OOo has the ability to diff its own documents, and any RCS worth its salt can handle binary blobs. |
| 15:47.47 | sjansen | I'm not sure that being able to use diff is a big enough win to spend you employer's time chasing other formats. |
| 15:49.31 | sjansen | That said, you could just use HTML for everything. There's lots of tools built up around HTML. |
| 16:05.24 | goozbach | well it's ending up in HTML so maybe that's good enough |
| 16:05.56 | elg | well then you might as well use markdown or textile or something |
| 16:06.15 | elg | that's what I generally do, markdown then generate html. works good for small documentation projects |
| 16:06.18 | elg | and I keep my sanity |
| 16:06.28 | goozbach | hmm markdown |
| 16:06.38 | goozbach | don't know I've heard of it |
| 16:06.44 | elg | ~markdown |
| 16:07.05 | elg | ibot, markdown is http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ |
| 16:07.06 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 16:08.33 | goozbach | one thing I like about docbook is the LDP has a couple stylesheets that do PDF and HTML quite nicely |
| 16:08.45 | sjansen | markdown++ |
| 16:08.51 | goozbach | and I like the PDF capibily. |
| 16:09.12 | sjansen | You can get HTML to PDF converts. Not sure if you'll like them, though. |
| 16:09.28 | goozbach | just in case anything I write needs to go in front of the Governor, I'd like a good-looking pdf format |
| 16:09.46 | ^Migs^ | use HTMLDOC for HTML->PDF |
| 16:09.48 | ^Migs^ | very nice |
| 16:09.52 | ^Migs^ | although it costs money |
| 16:10.00 | ^Migs^ | so, um, that kinda sucks |
| 16:10.23 | elg | I think there's markdown to pdf, and if not there should be. You can write one. ;) |
| 16:10.46 | elg | levi wrote a markdown parser in lisp, that you can extend to make xslt and create pdfs with xslfo :) |
| 16:11.35 | sjansen | Prince is an XML->PDF renderer that uses CSS1/2/3 for it's formatting. Easy to use, but not free. |
| 16:12.31 | findlay | I think you should use raw TeX, ha |
| 16:19.08 | goozbach | I'll stick to docbook and xslproc and xslfo |
| 16:19.15 | goozbach | the devil you know... |
| 16:20.10 | elg | where's the yak in that? |
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| 16:35.57 | goozbach | mostly because I have to get things approved by the "Standards folks" |
| 16:42.25 | elg | well, if there's standards folks then all bets are off |
| 16:59.15 | findlay | ~tired maquis |
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| 17:22.25 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:23.04 | elg | it's so nice to have my laptop back alive |
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| 17:26.25 | Jayce^ | elg, you get that one you showed me? |
| 17:27.10 | elg | no, ended up getting a brick one for the same price from someplace else |
| 17:27.40 | elg | because the brick is more portable. and I was hoping it would work with my old to-the-wall cable too, but it doesn't (they included one, though, so it's not the end of the world) |
| 17:41.00 | jsmith | lars-ut: Staples has DVD-Rs in a 25 pack for around $5. Or, at least they did a week or two ago. |
| 17:41.31 | lars-ut | jsmith: I was just hoing to mention staples actually |
| 17:41.48 | lars-ut | item 393414 & 512274 |
| 17:42.34 | lars-ut | rebates... .09 unit price on 52x CD-R & .29 unit price on 16x DVD-R, both Memorex |
| 17:42.56 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... this was without any rebates... |
| 17:43.10 | jsmith | And yes, it was memorex 16x media |
| 17:44.25 | lars-ut | I like the 52x memorex CDs - can't remember the last time I had a problem with them, and they lend themselves well to adhesive labels |
| 17:45.14 | lars-ut | I usually pay .43/DVD at Costco for 16x DVD-Rs, but I think I'm going to jump on the Memorex train there as well |
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| 17:45.55 | lars-ut | jsmith: I'll buy both at staples, and then stop for lunch at Apollo Burger |
| 17:46.08 | jsmith | Jerk! |
| 17:46.12 | lars-ut | MUAHAHA |
| 17:46.24 | lars-ut | Maybe a Rueben... |
| 17:46.31 | lars-ut | oops Reuben. |
| 17:47.45 | jsmith | OK, now you're really making me mad! |
| 17:47.52 | jsmith | ~lart lars-ut |
| 17:48.11 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 17:50.38 | Jayce^ | mm, that does sound good |
| 17:50.45 | findlay | paypal actually isn't that bad |
| 17:51.03 | findlay | in fact they're probably the easiest gateway I've worked with so far |
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| 17:57.28 | ^Migs^ | who said Paypal is bad? |
| 18:16.23 | QBFreak | arrr |
| 18:17.45 | QBFreak | silly KVM keeps resetting it somehow when I change machines |
| 18:28.27 | QBFreak | this is sad, I'm drawing a complete blank trying to remember the protocol IRC servers use to look up the user@hostname |
| 18:29.08 | QBFreak | identd! |
| 18:40.17 | tristanbob | is anyone else having problems with Firefox crashing? |
| 18:40.56 | tristanbob | version 1.x was very stable, but 1.5 is really disappointing me |
| 18:41.11 | tristanbob | Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP |
| 18:41.25 | ^Migs^ | my mother-in-law got in a fight with my next-door neighboor. She accused her of having a mean boy, and that she wouldn't put up with it. |
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| 18:48.19 | herlo | tristanbob: do you have FF 1.5.0.2? If not, you should update, its been very stable for me |
| 18:49.00 | tristanbob | herlo: yes, I have 1.5.02 |
| 18:49.06 | herlo | hmm, k |
| 18:49.52 | tristanbob | I always work with multiple tabs and multiple windows, and once in a while a Firefox window will dissappear, no error message or beep |
| 18:50.07 | tristanbob | it looks like it just closes itself |
| 18:53.33 | herlo | tristanbob: I usually only run one window with many tabs. FF doesn't use separate processes for multiple windows, so you are just wasting memory opening new windows...but its not that much waste... |
| 18:53.48 | herlo | its all one big FF process |
| 18:54.07 | tristanbob | that is strange that only some of the windows crash closed |
| 18:54.59 | herlo | yeah, threads probably crashed |
| 18:55.06 | herlo | but not the whole app |
| 18:55.21 | herlo | at least Mozilla Dev does have some good control over threads it sounds like |
| 19:05.53 | elg | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 19:06.02 | elg | dudes do benchmarks and recommend xfs overall |
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| 19:21.07 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/xfs-vs-reiserfs.txt |
| 19:21.29 | tensai | bonnie test results I ran with xfs and reiserfs on my new mail server |
| 19:21.53 | findlay | QBFreak: ~/.kde/share/config/kcminputrc |
| 19:22.53 | tensai | for us reiser is the winner. it handles small files so much better, and wastes far less space doing so. |
| 19:26.34 | jsmith | tensai: What does the %CP stand for? |
| 19:26.44 | jsmith | tensai: I hope that's not percentage of CPU taken... |
| 19:26.55 | tensai | I think it is |
| 19:27.55 | findlay | I've been happy with ext3 for most everything I do |
| 19:28.04 | findlay | which isn't much that's interesting |
| 19:32.08 | findlay | is there a way to include newlines in wildcards in vim? |
| 19:42.14 | tensai | findlay: ctrl-V, enter won't work for you? |
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| 19:44.30 | findlay | tensai: I want to match it along with all other characters |
| 19:44.42 | findlay | does . match any non printable characters? |
| 19:45.21 | tensai | I see. no, I don't think it will. can you explain what you're trying to accomplish? |
| 19:45.53 | dataw0lf | afternoon guys |
| 19:46.12 | findlay | I want to match a pattern across multiple lines |
| 19:47.21 | tensai | hmm. you'll have to invoke the real vim gurus for that one. I just play one on tv. |
| 19:47.29 | tensai | ~smack elg |
| 19:47.30 | ibot | ACTION smacks elg upside the head. |
| 19:47.42 | elg | huh? what? |
| 19:48.28 | tensai | elg: can vim do pattern matching across multiple lines? |
| 19:48.49 | elg | the pattern matches multiple lines you mean? |
| 19:48.54 | elg | in an s/// I suppose? |
| 19:49.05 | findlay | #vim was somewhat helpful, they even showed me where to read the fine manual |
| 19:49.12 | dataw0lf | tensai: do you mean line ranges? |
| 19:49.14 | findlay | elg: yeah |
| 19:49.28 | elg | dunno |
| 19:49.36 | elg | but probably |
| 19:49.50 | dataw0lf | use a range |
| 19:49.59 | findlay | when I find out, I'll proclaim how intelligent I am and maybe even let everybody know |
| 19:50.14 | findlay | what's a range? |
| 19:50.19 | elg | levi: congrats on the new arrival! |
| 19:50.44 | dataw0lf | findlay: http://www.geocities.com/volontir/ |
| 19:50.45 | brac | [Vim Regular Expressions 101] |
| 19:50.57 | twob | anyone know much about the cable industry.. enough to tell me what's going to happen to areas with analog cable and why some areas still do analog cable instead of digital? |
| 19:51.00 | dataw0lf | or you can use a semi colon |
| 19:51.40 | dataw0lf | which allows for two patterns |
| 19:51.50 | dataw0lf | check out the link, it should answer your questions. |
| 19:52.11 | tensai | twob: analog cable is cheaper because the infrastructure is already there. I don't think there are any regulations regarding analog vs. digital cable. |
| 19:52.45 | tensai | twob: fyi, digital cable and digital over the air signals are completely different beasts |
| 19:52.46 | twob | is internet over analog cable possible, or worth it? |
| 19:53.22 | twob | tensai: right, ota is ATSC where as digital cable is qam 64 or 256... |
| 19:53.59 | dataw0lf | twob: what do you mean by 'internet' ? |
| 19:53.59 | jsmith | twob: Shoot -- I haven't heard anybody talk about qam 64 in a while... brings back memories of my college days |
| 19:54.02 | tensai | if I understand correctly, cable internet uses a separate frequency on the coax so it's really independent of the type of video service |
| 19:54.03 | twob | problem I found is harvest hills in saratoga springs can't get ota TV and "saratoga cable" only does analog, and they have no plans of changing that in the next few years.. :-/ |
| 19:54.32 | tensai | just leach internet from Jayce^ |
| 19:54.43 | twob | heh, he's not LOS, already talked about that. :) |
| 19:55.02 | tensai | set up some mirrors :) |
| 19:55.07 | twob | .. it appears I can get 400kbps cable internet for only $40 a month! :) |
| 19:55.19 | twob | .. so cheap and fast.. |
| 19:55.20 | Jayce^ | twob, sad thing is, my friend in saratoga center has cable internet |
| 19:55.34 | twob | slow? |
| 19:55.44 | Jayce^ | no his is great, but he's comcast |
| 19:57.26 | tensai | nobody's doing wireless internet out there? |
| 19:57.38 | Jayce^ | I know rapidwave is |
| 19:57.43 | Jayce^ | and I've heard of others |
| 19:57.48 | Jayce^ | in that area |
| 19:59.06 | twob | I won't do wireless internet though, there aren't any that you can reliably host a server with. |
| 19:59.26 | twob | hmm. Maybe I can hope comcast will buy out the area.. |
| 19:59.29 | Jayce^ | ~tell twob to get a colo :-p |
| 19:59.45 | dataw0lf | well comcast isn't much of a conn for a server either |
| 19:59.46 | Jayce^ | twob, not likely |
| 19:59.56 | twob | that doesn't work if I need to get to my home computers. :) |
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| 20:00.14 | elg | ibot, shut up |
| 20:00.16 | ibot | yes, Master elg |
| 20:00.26 | dilvie | hello. |
| 20:00.31 | dataw0lf | hiya dilvie |
| 20:00.39 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 20:00.52 | tensai | ~onjoin -dilvie |
| 20:00.52 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 20:01.13 | dataw0lf | *shrug* ensuring that my jr admins have stuff to do so that I don't. |
| 20:01.35 | dilvie | dataw0lf: cool. =) |
| 20:03.00 | tensai | twob: wireless doesn't have to suck. certainly should be at least as good as cable for inbound. depends a lot on the provider. |
| 20:03.18 | dataw0lf | and network topo |
| 20:04.14 | tensai | indeed. we have customers who do all sorts of crazy stuff over wireless. |
| 20:05.23 | findlay | -urls | grep dilvie |
| 20:05.23 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help urls' |
| 20:05.38 | findlay | dilvie: I think you would like Mahler (-: |
| 20:08.24 | dataw0lf | twob: if you throw up a custom router that you've pumped up you could cat6 your server to it and have a fairly reliable connection |
| 20:08.35 | dataw0lf | over wireless |
| 20:09.13 | twob | hmm |
| 20:10.25 | dilvie | Mahler is okay. |
| 20:11.05 | dilvie | honestly, I think he borrowed too much from Wagner -- one of my least favorite composers. |
| 20:11.29 | findlay | what about Sibelius? |
| 20:12.19 | dataw0lf | wasn't Sibelius a lawyer? |
| 20:12.43 | dilvie | I like Sibelius. |
| 20:15.28 | dilvie | My favorite composers are Beethoven, Chopin, Greig, Mozart (hit and miss -- I hate some of his work, love the rest), Tchaikovsky... |
| 20:16.48 | dilvie | Rachmaninoff's piano concerto #3 really does it for me, but some of his other work is a bit too fluffy for my taste. |
| 20:17.16 | findlay | Rimsky-Korsakov and Borodin are good too |
| 20:17.57 | findlay | I think Rachmanninov's 2nd concerto is his best |
| 20:18.07 | dilvie | Oh, and I love _anything_ played by Vladimir Horowitz. He could make anything sound like a masterpiece. |
| 20:19.59 | RyanE__ | might be a bit too russian for some, but I like Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition. |
| 20:21.43 | dilvie | I got to play a Steinway model D used by Horowitz at home and on concert tours. It was here in SLC during the winter olympics. |
| 20:21.46 | dilvie | I loved it. |
| 20:22.04 | dilvie | Most perfect piano action I've ever felt. |
| 20:22.07 | dilvie | it was very light action. |
| 20:22.19 | dilvie | which I wouldn't have thought I'd like. |
| 20:22.26 | dilvie | but the piano practically played itself. |
| 20:23.07 | findlay | those are nice |
| 20:23.23 | findlay | although I haven't liked most Steinways I've played |
| 20:23.34 | dilvie | Every model D is unique. I've never played 2 that felt the same. |
| 20:23.40 | dilvie | or sounded the same, for that matter. |
| 20:23.47 | findlay | pianos are very interesting precision devices |
| 20:23.52 | dilvie | they mostly look the same, though. |
| 20:23.54 | dilvie | =) |
| 20:23.59 | elg | dilvie: I got a P-70. It's so nice having a (playable) piano around the house again |
| 20:24.10 | dilvie | elg: awesome! =) |
| 20:24.11 | findlay | being made out of organic materials like wood, cotton, wool, and hide glue |
| 20:24.31 | elg | and teeth |
| 20:24.38 | findlay | it's no wonder pianos don't last much longer than 70 years without a thurough overhaul |
| 20:24.46 | dilvie | elg: get yourself some good grand piano VSTi's, and you'll have and endless set of terrific piano experience |
| 20:24.49 | dilvie | experiences, rather |
| 20:25.01 | dilvie | the one thing I hate about electric pianos is the speakers |
| 20:25.11 | dilvie | no matter how good they are, they sound like shit next to the real thing. |
| 20:25.13 | elg | hehe |
| 20:25.16 | findlay | I dislike the touch the most |
| 20:25.34 | dilvie | but in recordings, you can't tell the difference between a really good sampled piano and a real piano. |
| 20:25.34 | elg | the touch on this isn't bad |
| 20:25.39 | elg | much better than my last upright real piano |
| 20:25.42 | findlay | it always feels so artificial |
| 20:25.49 | elg | in fact, much better than any of the pianos I or my family has owned |
| 20:25.58 | dilvie | Yamaha's electric piano action is _really good_ |
| 20:26.42 | findlay | Kawai's new grand serieses have wonderful action |
| 20:26.44 | elg | I think it sounds pretty good too. If the volume's all the way up and my eyes are closed and my son is tinkling the bottom notes it pretty much sounds real :) |
| 20:26.55 | dilvie | The P70 action is far and away superior to my real upright piano |
| 20:26.59 | findlay | now that they've finally realized that carbon fiber is better than wood |
| 20:26.59 | elg | a great practice instrument |
| 20:27.45 | findlay | what makes it really sound fake is the effects buttons |
| 20:28.00 | findlay | like the chorus and reverb |
| 20:28.16 | elg | Have I mentioned how very very cool Aeolus is? a linux pipe organ synth |
| 20:28.19 | findlay | why would anyone want that? |
| 20:28.33 | dilvie | what I hate about electric piano is that the dynamic sensitivity is CRAP compared to a real piano. |
| 20:28.36 | elg | it seriously sounds like the real thing. spatial placement and everything |
| 20:28.53 | elg | the p70 lets you change the "touch" |
| 20:28.54 | findlay | if it sounds better than the general midi organs |
| 20:29.03 | elg | hard, medium, soft |
| 20:29.05 | findlay | those are puke ugly |
| 20:29.14 | elg | hehe. those are jokes |
| 20:29.29 | elg | just like the gm "strings" or "orchestra" |
| 20:29.59 | findlay | elg: I think ideally an organ synth would have sounds for each rank and you combine them just like a real organ |
| 20:30.43 | dilvie | I don't know that I'd like to use a hammer-action keyboard for organ |
| 20:30.54 | dilvie | I think my DX7 action would be perfect for that. |
| 20:30.56 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:31.14 | findlay | but not squishy spring action either |
| 20:31.28 | elg | findlay: exactly |
| 20:31.33 | elg | and that's what aeolus does |
| 20:31.41 | findlay | sweet |
| 20:31.48 | elg | dilvie: yeah, my m-audio keyboard makes a great organ keyboard |
| 20:31.56 | findlay | what organ(s) did they sample? |
| 20:31.59 | elg | and organ consoles are 61 keys too |
| 20:32.02 | elg | findlay: it's not sampled |
| 20:32.08 | elg | it's synthesized |
| 20:32.11 | findlay | oh |
| 20:32.13 | elg | but it sounds very very real |
| 20:32.19 | dilvie | FM? |
| 20:32.24 | findlay | that's even neater I think |
| 20:32.26 | elg | dunno exactly what |
| 20:32.32 | dilvie | FM is pretty good at simulating organs. |
| 20:32.41 | elg | let me make a recording with a midi file I have hanging around |
| 20:32.41 | dilvie | physical modeling comes really close, too. |
| 20:32.50 | elg | this is probably physical modeling. waveguide or something |
| 20:33.10 | elg | but that's not the hard part. the real convincing is in the details - reverb, placement, etc. |
| 20:33.24 | elg | slight detuning of pipes, chiff, etc. |
| 20:33.48 | findlay | yes |
| 20:34.07 | findlay | faint suggestions of real windways powering the rows of pipes |
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| 20:38.57 | levi | elg: Thanks! |
| 20:54.14 | sjansen | http://www.consumerist.com/images/2006/04/MulliWalmartGreeter-thumb.jpg <-- Not safe for anyone with a weak stomach. |
| 21:05.25 | elg | ~walmart sjansen |
| 21:06.11 | elg | ~walmart $sjansen is <action> dresses $sjansen in a WalMart bag. |
| 21:06.12 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 21:06.17 | elg | ~walmart sjansen |
| 21:06.18 | ibot | ACTION dresses sjansen in a WalMart bag. |
| 21:06.23 | dataw0lf | ew |
| 21:06.59 | elg | dilvie: one of my goals this summer is to learn me some jazz piano skillz |
| 21:07.04 | dataw0lf | looks like one of the chopper pilots from my old cav unit |
| 21:07.16 | dilvie | elg: cool. =) |
| 21:07.47 | nick125 | haha |
| 21:09.20 | dataw0lf | what's today? |
| 21:09.25 | nick125 | lars-ut: whats the lyrics? |
| 21:09.27 | dataw0lf | ah, wednesday :\ |
| 21:09.28 | nick125 | :D |
| 21:09.51 | dataw0lf | nick125: something along the lines of 'I want my perpendicular drive from dw...' |
| 21:10.15 | dataw0lf | 'dw is a lazy punk...' is another verse |
| 21:10.42 | lars-ut | "I'm just a lonely little bit, and on my back I sit, oh how I long to be, standing tall and feeling free! We need expanded membership, but that would make us flip, and meet and end that's too abrupt, because our data's corrupt." |
| 21:11.13 | lars-ut | "Now that my brothers and my sisters are upon the floor. |
| 21:11.13 | lars-ut | The time is come to oh-oh-oh-open the door. |
| 21:11.13 | lars-ut | We'll get ten times the strength and capacity!" |
| 21:11.36 | lars-ut | "Ten times the strength and tenacity! Get perpendicular!" |
| 21:11.45 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: were you not trying to give me a hint then? |
| 21:11.49 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 21:12.09 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: well, yeah. But I couldn't make it last night either. |
| 21:12.27 | dataw0lf | uh, I was there, uh, then. |
| 21:12.29 | lars-ut | I left an envelope of cash labeled 'dataw0lf' |
| 21:12.32 | dataw0lf | jeez, thanks for leaving me hanging dude. |
| 21:12.34 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 21:12.41 | dataw0lf | uhm, I must not've seen it. that's right. |
| 21:12.48 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:13.18 | dataw0lf | I just put my own perpendicular drive into my new laptop and it's pretty sexy. |
| 21:14.04 | dataw0lf | nah |
| 21:14.09 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: Did you name the drive? |
| 21:14.12 | dataw0lf | I promised that one to you. |
| 21:14.14 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 21:14.20 | dataw0lf | mithralhall |
| 21:14.29 | dataw0lf | since the computer's name is drizzt... |
| 21:14.33 | dataw0lf | yea, you might not get that. |
| 21:14.42 | lars-ut | minions |
| 21:14.44 | lars-ut | ? |
| 21:15.19 | dataw0lf | it's from a fantasy novel series. |
| 21:15.29 | lars-ut | Utopian Battlefields? |
| 21:15.33 | dataw0lf | nah |
| 21:15.41 | dataw0lf | I name my boxes after various characters and places in book series |
| 21:16.01 | dataw0lf | namely the Icewind Dale series by R.A. Salvatore and The Dark Tower series by Stephen King |
| 21:16.02 | lars-ut | I've named mine after Dr. Seuss characters of late |
| 21:16.20 | lars-ut | Our new call storage server: Lorax |
| 21:18.34 | dataw0lf | I like gun manufacturers, mythological creatures, and transformers too |
| 21:19.53 | dataw0lf | gods of specific pantheons too |
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| 21:20.46 | dataw0lf | I almost did GI Joe characters |
| 21:20.51 | lars-ut | maybe Zartan |
| 21:20.51 | Jayce^ | periodic table works well.. |
| 21:21.04 | lars-ut | Destro... |
| 21:21.06 | Jayce^ | especially in networks with 1-128 computers :) |
| 21:21.07 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: or heavenly bodies... |
| 21:21.22 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, we did that here when the company was called 'northsky' |
| 21:21.22 | neybar | Everyone does the periodic table. That is boring. |
| 21:21.24 | nick125 | I need to rename all my boxes.. |
| 21:21.36 | Jayce^ | ~boot neybar |
| 21:21.38 | ibot | /kick Jayce^ |
| 21:21.53 | neybar | ~fish Jayce^ |
| 21:21.55 | ibot | ACTION slaps Jayce^ around with a large trout |
| 21:21.55 | dataw0lf | the ex lead sys admin here did thundercats characters |
| 21:22.07 | nick125 | I should rename my server too.. |
| 21:22.17 | nick125 | ds0 and vmX-ds0 are... |
| 21:22.18 | nick125 | lame |
| 21:22.19 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: what was the nun chuck thundercat's name> |
| 21:22.39 | dataw0lf | nick125: computer naming strategies are the best. |
| 21:22.50 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, pantera or something like that, wasn't it? |
| 21:23.00 | nick125 | they are still..pretty lame |
| 21:23.13 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: http://www.matthew.fenn.dsl.pipex.com/nj/data/Places/MithralHall.htm ? |
| 21:23.15 | brac | [Mithral Hall] |
| 21:24.15 | lars-ut | Jayce^: Panthro. http://thundercats.vpga.com/toys/gallery/toy_images.asp?image=panthro_toy.jpg |
| 21:24.16 | brac | [Thundercat Toy Images] |
| 21:24.21 | harleypig | How come women get a couch in their restroom and men don't? It's soooo sexist. |
| 21:24.23 | dataw0lf | nick125: well obviously if oyu don't have any |
| 21:24.35 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: yeah, Panthro had the 'battle sticks' |
| 21:24.40 | Jayce^ | harleypig, not just a couch, a lounge room |
| 21:24.52 | harleypig | I think I'll go lay down on the ladies couch and take a 15 minute power nap. |
| 21:25.16 | harleypig | yeah, an entire separate room. |
| 21:26.14 | dataw0lf | harleypig: that's why you keep them busy with dishes and laundry. |
| 21:26.16 | dataw0lf | ! |
| 21:26.18 | dataw0lf | just j/king |
| 21:26.33 | harleypig | barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen! |
| 21:26.38 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:27.02 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I'm well aware of that |
| 21:27.08 | harleypig | The snoring would distract way too much. |
| 21:27.19 | lars-ut | decibel range? |
| 21:27.32 | harleypig | lars-ut: 90ish |
| 21:27.53 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, with harleypig decibel has nothing to do with it... it's richter scale |
| 21:28.01 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:28.07 | harleypig | Do you know what chain-stoking is? |
| 21:28.18 | dataw0lf | I know what chain smoking is |
| 21:28.26 | Jayce^ | serious.... harleypig caused a coworker (during a convention) to leave the room, and go sleep in the car |
| 21:28.39 | harleypig | A *tall* coworker. |
| 21:28.50 | dataw0lf | harleypig: I think it's cheyne stoking |
| 21:28.59 | harleypig | chain-stoking is when you stop breathing suddenly for up to 2 or 3 minutes. |
| 21:29.57 | harleypig | dataw0lf: really? cool |
| 21:29.57 | levi | I named a computer snarf. |
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| 21:30.09 | dataw0lf | levi: I use snarf and liono in replace for foo and bar |
| 21:30.18 | dataw0lf | s/replace/place |
| 21:30.31 | harleypig | well, I do that pretty bad. My dad did it so bad that we'd wake up unable to breathe until he took a breath. |
| 21:30.56 | dataw0lf | yea, my dad has a cheyne stoking problem. thus the knowledge of the spelling. |
| 21:31.11 | lars-ut | levi, dataw0lf : better than "Uni" |
| 21:31.23 | lars-ut | (D&D Cartoon series sidekick) |
| 21:31.41 | levi | Or Orco |
| 21:32.24 | dataw0lf | haha the D&D cartoon |
| 21:32.34 | dataw0lf | I wish they would've done the D&D movie better. |
| 21:33.08 | levi | I had a great time MST3King the D&D movie. |
| 21:33.17 | vontrapp | ~lart byu |
| 21:33.23 | Jayce^ | *worst movie ever...* :) |
| 21:33.31 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: no kidding. |
| 21:33.46 | dataw0lf | although Van Helsing was pretty bad |
| 21:33.52 | dataw0lf | only movie I've ever walked out of the theater on. |
| 21:34.04 | Jayce^ | didn't even bother with that one |
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| 21:34.36 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend at the time dragged me there. |
| 21:34.40 | dataw0lf | We broke up that night. |
| 21:34.45 | dataw0lf | (because I walked out and left her) |
| 21:34.47 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 21:35.17 | dataw0lf | AutoCAD rocks just because it gives me a reason to use Lisp on a daily basis |
| 21:36.20 | Supaplex | but you already have a lisp |
| 21:36.39 | dataw0lf | ~rimshot |
| 21:36.40 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 21:37.09 | findlay | ibot: you are funny |
| 21:37.11 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 21:37.16 | findlay | haha |
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| 21:39.42 | elg | autocad uses lisp? |
| 21:39.48 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 21:39.50 | dataw0lf | AutoLisp man. |
| 21:39.55 | elg | wow, didn't know that |
| 21:40.01 | dataw0lf | yea, it's pretty slick stuff. |
| 21:40.58 | dataw0lf | I've been using Windows for two weeks now on my laptop and I haven't contemplated killing myself. It's a miracle. |
| 21:42.26 | lars-ut | dataw0lf, if you've got a lot of RAM & can use Thunderbird & Firefox it helps... |
| 21:45.08 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: true. I haven't used Windows for this long since 95. |
| 21:45.10 | elg | anyone know if unison can be set to follow symlinks? e.g. symlinks here, regular files there |
| 21:45.24 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: I thought cygwin would be an answer but I've noticed I don't really use it for much. |
| 21:46.38 | elg | it can. cool. |
| 21:49.45 | jsmith | Must be ideal, if it make you leave IRC |
| 21:50.27 | findlay | and here I thought ideal was just a way to display windows |
| 21:50.52 | dataw0lf | I thought it was me. |
| 21:51.26 | tensai | nah, iDeal is the new Apple auction site |
| 21:51.45 | dataw0lf | haha |
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| 21:58.45 | tensai | mail server question, opinions wanted. An MTA has a forward set up for list@example.com going to user1@example.com and user2@example.com. If you delete the account user2@example.com but don't update the forward, what would you expect to happen to mail sent to list@example.com? |
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| 22:01.45 | jlp_work | tensai: the user who sent the mail should get a bounce for user2@example.com |
| 22:02.07 | jlp_work | why, what actually happens? |
| 22:02.47 | tensai | user got a bounce for list@example.com |
| 22:03.47 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 22:05.21 | jlp_work | tensai: did user1 actually get the mail? or did it bounce early? |
| 22:05.37 | tensai | it bounced at RCPT, so user1 didn't see anything |
| 22:05.43 | jlp_work | ack |
| 22:05.47 | jlp_work | that sucks |
| 22:05.52 | jlp_work | what MTA? |
| 22:05.57 | tensai | SurgeMail |
| 22:06.04 | jlp_work | rm -rf SurgeMail |
| 22:06.37 | tensai | just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who thought that was odd before I sent a bug report |
| 22:07.13 | jlp_work | sounds odd to me. is the list actually implemented as a .forward file? or is it (equivalent to) an alias? |
| 22:07.33 | tensai | it's an alias. in our case, it's stored in ldap. |
| 22:08.00 | tensai | well, maybe I'm not sure what you mean by alias. |
| 22:08.17 | jlp_work | hmmm, in general, I would think it would be bad to be off expanding aliases at RCPT time. evil people could use that functionality to probe your system for valid addresses |
| 22:08.36 | jlp_work | (I mean something in, e.g., /etc/aliases, which is what it sounds like it is the equivalent of) |
| 22:09.33 | tensai | it's a user configurable forward, so it's more like a .forward I guess |
| 22:10.26 | jlp_work | hmmm, I still think it should have at least handled delivery to the address that was okay |
| 22:10.32 | jlp_work | my opinion, for what it's worth |
| 22:13.17 | jlp_work | I know if I have a mailing list with, say, 10000 addresses on it, and I (joe luser) send e-mail to the list, I want it delivered to everyone on the list, even if one joker on the list doesn't exist any more and forgot to unsubscribe |
| 22:13.35 | tensai | I thought so too. I'm not sure there's a good way to handle it though. If you create a bounce after delivering to some recipients, it has to be a DSN which can be a problem w/ spam. |
| 22:14.03 | tensai | I, as a postmaster, would smack joe luser and tell him to user a mailing list instead of a naive forward |
| 22:15.28 | jlp_work | well, you can always be pragmatic and see what other MTAs do |
| 22:16.52 | tensai | Exim works like you explained |
| 22:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | This is fun, my car was just backed into :( |
| 22:20.36 | jlp_work | postfix also handles delivery to the address that is good, and bounces the one that is bad (using a .forward) |
| 22:20.49 | sjansen | ~lart tensai |
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| 22:33.28 | Supaplex | hey tim =) |
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| 22:48.28 | Supaplex | ~lart I-15 |
| 22:48.44 | Supaplex | I hope it's the southbound part :P haha |
| 22:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | From where to where? |
| 22:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 22:49.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's almost 5:00 |
| 22:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Good luck ;) |
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| 23:29.00 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Liszt, yeah, that's it |
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