| 00:04.01 | xbmodder_lappy | I wonder what Apple is doing with that G5 thing. Well I know what they are probably going to do. They are going to put an Itanium in it. It makes perfect sense. Intel's failure is the Itanium. The only thing that the Itanium was successful inside of were supercomputers. Lets look at Apple. Apple's only recent failure has been the G5. The world's most powerful PC I saw on slashdot after the keynote. How long did this last before AMD's new technology hit |
| 00:04.01 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.45 | tene | any debian users around? |
| 00:08.17 | xbmodder_lappy | nope |
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| 00:45.30 | elg | anyone know of a good free anonymous email |
| 00:45.59 | tene | what exactly do you want? |
| 00:46.01 | maquis | elg: i recall reading about one that's really anonymous.... i don't remember what it was, though |
| 00:46.02 | tene | recieving or sending? |
| 00:46.19 | xbmodder_lappy | elg, get a VPS for a day, send it out, close your account |
| 00:46.21 | elg | sending |
| 00:46.26 | xbmodder_lappy | pay by cash |
| 00:46.35 | elg | it doesn't have to be spy-grade |
| 00:46.44 | maquis | elg: if you dpm |
| 00:47.09 | maquis | t give real info, the various free web-emails can be moderately anonymous |
| 00:47.41 | elg | not interested in setting up an account of any sort |
| 00:47.44 | harleypig | findlay: I'm planning on it. |
| 00:47.48 | elg | for convenience's sake |
| 00:48.00 | maquis | elg: telnet in and write it that way? |
| 00:48.23 | elg | probably what I'll do, but I'd have to find a good place to telnet from |
| 00:48.41 | maquis | elg: curious... why? |
| 00:48.54 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.15 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.05 | maquis | elg: if you do it from a school computer, it's pretty anonymous |
| 00:50.22 | elg | pretty. |
| 00:50.37 | elg | but not thoroughly |
| 00:50.40 | maquis | particularly if there are any machines you don't have to log in to |
| 00:50.58 | elg | well yeah, if there's one of those |
| 00:51.02 | maquis | :) |
| 00:51.18 | elg | well, maybe there is in the library |
| 00:51.19 | maquis | a computer at the local library would be another option |
| 00:51.27 | elg | if I can get a telnet prompt there. :) |
| 00:51.31 | elg | er, cmd |
| 00:51.42 | maquis | if they have a mac, you could probably get to a terminal |
| 00:52.00 | elg | they're PCs |
| 00:52.29 | elg | not exactly positive, no, but not anything I'd be worried about if he knew it was me. It's just the perfectionist in me wanting to do it right. |
| 00:52.39 | maquis | ah |
| 00:52.51 | maquis | i'm generally not too worried unless it's a bad review |
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| 00:53.05 | tene | You should get someone else to write it so that your writing style doesn't reveal you. |
| 00:53.19 | maquis | true |
| 00:53.33 | graphyx | so I guess you all have heard that totally awesome computers is shut down, eh? |
| 00:53.37 | tene | yep |
| 00:53.42 | elg | maybe. but he's not a native english speaker so I don't worry about that |
| 00:54.29 | maquis | i have a reasonably recognizable writing style |
| 00:54.31 | Bradipo | For example, if I posted something to a mailing list using an alias, would Google be able to correlate postings made with my real name? |
| 00:54.43 | maquis | doubt that |
| 00:54.52 | elg | google? probably not |
| 00:54.53 | maquis | but your frinds might be able to tell it's by you |
| 00:55.14 | elg | not that it couldn't be done, but what mass profit is there in that? |
| 00:55.19 | Bradipo | So, unless someone that is familiar with my writing style is reading the document it isn't likely that it would be recognized. |
| 00:55.21 | elg | now, would a government do it? maybe |
| 00:55.45 | elg | me too. I use too many parenthesis. :) |
| 00:55.56 | maquis | i have a tendency to write my papers in a very informal style compared to how they're intended... i just don't like being overly formal |
| 00:56.04 | Bradipo | And, speaking of mailing lists, unless someone that is familiar with my writing style is also on the same mailing list to which I post anonymously, it isn't likely going to be detected. |
| 00:56.13 | maquis | and when i'm emailing/chatting, i generally drop caps, and use too many ellipses |
| 00:56.15 | maquis | ... :) |
| 00:56.28 | tene | Also consider whether there's reason to suspect that the text comes from someone they may know. |
| 00:57.15 | elg | heh, it would be reasonable for him to assume it comes from a student, yes. |
| 01:00.27 | Bradipo | Would it be possible to use a bayesian filter to determine if the message was from a given person? |
| 01:00.52 | Bradipo | Maybe one that analyzes multiple word phrases instead of just single words... |
| 01:01.22 | Bradipo | Instead of, and including single words. |
| 01:01.26 | maquis | Bradipo: that's an interesting idea... :) |
| 01:01.33 | Bradipo | I wonder if CRM114 could handle it. |
| 01:02.25 | Bradipo | Maybe I'll feed the pluglist mail through crm114 to see if it can flag messages that I sent to it. |
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| 01:12.38 | graphyx | Bradipo: I doubt any posting less than 1000 words have enough test basis to show a strong enough divergence to identify a single user. |
| 01:12.51 | graphyx | Unless you had a signature.. ;) |
| 01:13.01 | graphyx | or a phrase you were trying to author. |
| 01:28.13 | xbmodder_lappy | Ack! |
| 01:30.37 | findlay | Syn? |
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| 02:22.44 | emcnabb | http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13890 |
| 02:22.48 | emcnabb | that is just wrong |
| 02:28.39 | jnbek | that's gross !!, lol |
| 02:29.45 | nick125 | eww |
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| 03:34.58 | graphyx | findlay: LOl!!! |
| 03:36.05 | graphyx | emcnabb: That is nuts |
| 03:39.03 | emcnabb | totally |
| 03:39.54 | nick125 | there should be a "/me replaces $insulteduser's desktop with calmira 4.0" bot function |
| 03:40.03 | graphyx | add it |
| 03:40.07 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:41.26 | maquis | nick125: it's simple... "~foo is <action> bar" or "~foo $var is <action> bar $var" |
| 03:41.51 | maquis | or "~foo is <reply> blah" |
| 03:43.43 | tensai | is there a standard syntax for selecting a random row via sql? |
| 03:49.01 | usynic | ORDER BY RANDOM() or something similar (in mysql) |
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| 03:58.40 | tensai | I've seen the mysql way, just wonder if that's standard or not |
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| 05:22.31 | findlay | does anyone here use mplayer? |
| 05:24.20 | bigdog_ut | findlay, yes |
| 05:24.56 | findlay | bigdog_ut: have you ever used it to play a CD? |
| 05:25.03 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 05:25.15 | bigdog_ut | not much but i have used it |
| 05:27.07 | findlay | I can't get it working at all, no matter what I try, it just won't find the drive |
| 05:28.02 | findlay | 'mplayer cdda:///dev/hdd' doesn't work. "Can't open CDDA device." |
| 05:28.03 | bigdog_ut | can another app find the drive? |
| 05:29.13 | maquis | findlay: try it with xmms too |
| 05:29.19 | bigdog_ut | i just do mplayer /dev/hdx |
| 05:29.24 | maquis | if xmms can't do it, then you might be missing a plugin, or the you may have the wrong permissions on the device |
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| 05:29.40 | maquis | i know i've had permissions problems with playing from my cd drive before |
| 05:29.47 | bigdog_ut | or device not set up properly |
| 05:29.49 | maquis | took me quite a while to figure out why it wouldn't play |
| 05:30.14 | bigdog_ut | check your groups too |
| 05:31.58 | findlay | 'mplayer /dev/hdd' "Seek failed" |
| 05:32.05 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 05:32.49 | findlay | /dev/hdd is owned by group cdrom, which I'm in |
| 05:34.52 | bigdog_ut | findlay, try xmms |
| 05:34.58 | bigdog_ut | or gnome-cd or xine |
| 05:35.10 | bigdog_ut | if xine dont do it...then there is issues |
| 05:35.35 | findlay | will gxine work? |
| 05:35.39 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 05:35.48 | bigdog_ut | if you have gxine u should have xine |
| 05:35.58 | findlay | no xine |
| 05:36.20 | bigdog_ut | wow...i thought you needed xine for gxine |
| 05:39.16 | bigdog_ut | levi, whatz wrong with them? |
| 05:39.26 | nick125 | yeah, whats wrong with gentoo users? |
| 05:40.28 | bigdog_ut | ~smack jsmith-away |
| 05:40.30 | ibot | ACTION smacks jsmith-away upside the head. |
| 05:41.01 | levi | They're having problems. |
| 05:41.11 | jsmith-away | Imagine that... |
| 05:41.20 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin jsmith-away |
| 05:41.21 | ibot | ACTION pulls jsmith-away underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 05:41.47 | findlay | how do I invoke xine to play a CD> |
| 05:41.51 | levi | And I'm having schadenfreude. ;) |
| 05:41.52 | findlay | ? |
| 05:42.03 | maquis | levi: one of them is having problems understanding that they need /boot... |
| 05:42.03 | bigdog_ut | xine /dev/hdx |
| 05:42.08 | maquis | or... |
| 05:42.09 | maquis | actually |
| 05:42.12 | nick125 | LOL |
| 05:42.16 | maquis | thinks that his windows partition will work for /boot |
| 05:42.23 | nick125 | wow.. |
| 05:42.28 | maquis | that isn't quite a gentoo-specific problem |
| 05:42.39 | nick125 | well, don't go and say all gentoo users are like that |
| 05:42.47 | levi | maquis: Well, he didn't seem to have any trouble with SuSE. |
| 05:42.52 | jsmith-away | For some reason, that reminds me of something --- I've been playing racing games on my game console, and the typical Gentoo user reminds me of a lot of racers -- they tweak and tune their cars to get every last ounce of performace out of their engine -- but they still don't know what to do at a 4-way stop. |
| 05:43.14 | jsmith-away | nick125: I didn't... just the typical ones :-) |
| 05:43.20 | bigdog_ut | jsmith-away, come on now |
| 05:43.27 | jsmith-away | bigdog_ut: I know, I know... |
| 05:43.31 | nick125 | Some of them are newbish, some of them aren't. |
| 05:43.34 | findlay | bigdog_ut: "There is no input plugin available to handle '/dev/hdd'" |
| 05:43.51 | bigdog_ut | as they do in argentina...honk and who ever is faster has the right a way |
| 05:43.54 | maquis | levi: he didn't try to install his kernel onto his windows partition when he was running SuSE |
| 05:44.07 | jsmith-away | bigdog_ut: Or honk twice and gun it... |
| 05:44.11 | findlay | what's the kde cdplayer? |
| 05:44.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah!!\ |
| 05:44.28 | mrpull | i remember using loadlin to boot linux from windows |
| 05:44.33 | jsmith-away | Don't get me started on Utahns and 4-way stops... |
| 05:44.41 | jsmith-away | mrpull: Been there, done that... |
| 05:44.46 | mrpull | (maybe not that well... was it loadlin?) |
| 05:44.58 | nick125 | mrpull: oh my god...do not remind me of those days.. |
| 05:45.03 | jsmith-away | mrpull: Yeah, I think so... been too long |
| 05:45.07 | levi | maquis: Because SuSE doesn't have a bizarrely obscure installation process. |
| 05:45.27 | jsmith-away | levi: You don't call AutoYAST bizarrely obscure? |
| 05:45.43 | jsmith-away | Ok, I'll give up -- I'm making way too many enemies today |
| 05:45.51 | nick125 | YAST..lol |
| 05:46.02 | levi | Well, it's a bit bizarre, but it worked for this guy. |
| 05:46.03 | nick125 | I think that windows control panel should remain in windows |
| 05:46.11 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:47.18 | findlay | bigdog_ut, maquis: no luck with anything |
| 05:47.19 | mrpull | nick125: you want linux to remain the domain of tweakers and never accessible to the common man? |
| 05:47.33 | nick125 | mrpull: lol |
| 05:47.51 | levi | I think operating systems should not take huge amounts of time and effort to install and administer. |
| 05:48.28 | mrpull | jsmith-away: speaking of your racing analogy, have you seen the gentoo ricer's webpage? |
| 05:49.12 | findlay | can I hotplug an IDE ribbon? |
| 05:49.15 | findlay | (: |
| 05:49.42 | mrpull | findlay: i've seen an IDE CDROM hotplugged... i wouldn't recommend it |
| 05:49.45 | levi | findlay: I don't believe they're designed for that. |
| 05:49.53 | maquis | mrpull: i would say that there's different distros for different types of people |
| 05:49.57 | findlay | probably have to unload the module first |
| 05:50.26 | jsmith-away | mrpull: Yes, several years ago |
| 05:50.29 | maquis | if people want a desktop OS that they don't have to mess with, they can run ubuntu... |
| 05:50.57 | levi | And gentoo is for people with nothing better to do than spend huge amounts of time and effort compiling and configuring things. |
| 05:51.11 | jsmith-away | I'm just happy nobody else is like me, with all my tastes and quirks... |
| 05:51.13 | mrpull | maquis: I didn't imply that gentoo was bad (this time), only that control panels are useful even if nick125 doesn't like them |
| 05:51.24 | maquis | mrpull: yeah... |
| 05:51.29 | mrpull | :-) |
| 05:51.34 | maquis | i agree that they are useful, but i hate them as well |
| 05:51.56 | findlay | OK, so now I've put the cdrom in the dvd drive. 'mplayer cdda://' now thinks it's found the disc but hangs |
| 05:52.05 | maquis | honestly, if i'm going to give someone a linux cd, it's going to be ubuntu |
| 05:52.19 | maquis | however, i have tried ubuntu, and hated every second of it |
| 05:52.58 | levi | Someone's got a software grudge! |
| 05:53.06 | maquis | levi: haha |
| 05:53.25 | maquis | not as much a grudge... if it was a grudge, i wouldn't recommend it to others |
| 05:53.36 | tene | I installed the FC5 test the other day, and I've been extremely surprised. |
| 05:53.36 | maquis | it's more a thing of "this doesn't work for me" |
| 05:53.39 | levi | Hating every second of Ubuntu use is neither a rational nor productive reactionn to it. |
| 05:53.43 | maquis | i don't think ubuntu is bad, per se |
| 05:54.00 | maquis | i just think that ubuntu is a bad distro for the way i work/think |
| 05:54.14 | maquis | i think it's great for a lot of people |
| 05:54.18 | tene | I've only used the terminal to change some unimportant xorg option once. |
| 05:54.20 | levi | maquis: Being inflexible in the way you work/think is not a virtue. |
| 05:54.36 | findlay | I think linux is freaking out that I don't have anything on the primary ide bus |
| 05:54.44 | tene | I haven't gotten annoyed with Gnome. |
| 05:55.07 | tene | Which I normally do very quickly. |
| 05:55.29 | levi | maquis: Learning to work and think in different ways is, in fact, a great mind-expanding exercise. |
| 05:55.37 | maquis | levi: do you not have a specific distro that you don't feel like you can work productively in? |
| 05:55.39 | mrpull | speaking of hotpluging hardware that shouldn't be... |
| 05:55.40 | findlay | maquis: what levi really is doing is he is conditioning you to lisp-think |
| 05:55.43 | levi | maquis: Nope. |
| 05:55.58 | maquis | levi: what about windows? can you work productively in windows? |
| 05:56.09 | levi | maquis: Sure, given some time for adjustment. |
| 05:56.15 | maquis | i don't feel like i'm productive at all on a windows box or a ubuntu box |
| 05:56.33 | levi | maquis: That's entirely your fault for choosing not to become productive there. |
| 05:56.39 | mrpull | about 8 years ago a guy I worked with had linux installed on an old 486. He wanted an extra nic, but didn't believe that it'd ever start back up if he shut down the machine (i think grub was borked) |
| 05:57.07 | levi | maquis: You are a human being, and therefore capable of great feats of intellectual flexibility. |
| 05:57.07 | maquis | given time for adjustment... but if you don't want to/aren't able to spend the time to become productive... |
| 05:57.07 | mrpull | he put in a pci nic _while the machine was running_ |
| 05:57.37 | mrpull | and I loaded the module, configured the IP, and he was up and going |
| 05:57.39 | maquis | i don't think it's worth it to put so much time into trying to be productive on a system when i could instead be productive on a system that works better for me |
| 05:57.55 | levi | maquis: I don't think it would take all that much time, given the right attitude to the effort. |
| 05:58.12 | maquis | i think knowing the system where you do your best work is an important thing... |
| 05:58.37 | maquis | if you're stuck in a situation where using that system is impossible, then you can make adjustments... |
| 05:58.42 | levi | I think knowing how to do your best work regardless of what 'system' you use is the most important thing. |
| 05:59.07 | maquis | but in the linux world, we have options, and we can choose to use a system that works with our way of thinking |
| 05:59.22 | maquis | i don't think there is a magical distro that everyone will be productive on |
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| 05:59.40 | maquis | if you don't like gentoo, then that's your choice, and it's related to how you think/work |
| 05:59.46 | mrpull | maquis: here is an honest question: "Do you think that line of thinking will promote or hurt the widespread adoption of linux?" |
| 06:00.16 | maquis | mrpull: the line of thinking that there are different systems for different people? i think it's helpful to it |
| 06:00.34 | levi | Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc. all run basically the same set of text editors and programming languages these days. Those are the real important tools for productivity. |
| 06:00.50 | mrpull | more specifically, that there are enough different flavors of linux that everyone should find one that suits their style |
| 06:00.52 | maquis | i think it's important for us to recognize that what works best for me is probably not what's going to work best for a n00b who's installing linux for the first time |
| 06:01.27 | mrpull | maquis: I agree... but I think that ultimately will harm the adoption of linux |
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| 06:02.09 | maquis | mrpull: i think that people who are going to be using features in the areas where the distro really matters (ie, they're going to be managing the system), then they will be helped by finding a distro where they are comfortable |
| 06:02.20 | levi | maquis: On the other hand, if you become too comfortable with some bizarre set of obscure tools and you train yourself to hate anything different, what will happen when those tools no longer work on new hardware, or you have to use a different environment at work? |
| 06:02.50 | mrpull | or when you are put in the position of supporting or developing software for the common person? |
| 06:03.20 | maquis | levi: i try to use the more general tools that are more likely to be available everywhere |
| 06:03.46 | levi | maquis: What's the huge productivity advantage you're getting, then? |
| 06:03.56 | maquis | mrpull: i've done a good bit of support for a friend who runs linux, and doesn't know how to do much of anything on her system |
| 06:04.28 | findlay | I'll be sequestered in the ivory tower the rest of my life. Ha! |
| 06:04.48 | maquis | levi: the fact that i don't have to deal with distros that insist on installing things that i don't want... the fact that i don't have to go through and change the settings back to something sane after the installer decides to do everything in a way i don't like |
| 06:05.06 | mrpull | maquis: how would that friend handle the same situations in OSX or WinXP? Would he/she be more inclined to help himself? |
| 06:05.43 | maquis | mrpull: she'd probably be able to solve most of the problems on WinXP |
| 06:06.05 | maquis | unfortunately, a lot of things like setting up wireless just aren't ready for the everyday person in linux yet |
| 06:06.28 | levi | maquis: What has that got to do with productivity? I think you'd better define first what you want to be productive at doing. |
| 06:08.40 | maquis | levi: when i'm simply *using* the computer, i'm equally productive on different versions, because from a user's perspective there isn't a ton of difference between the distros, assuming you know the basic command-line tools... but when you're setting things up, or performing administrative tasks, being on certain distros allows me to work better... same as having my desktop set up the way i like it (ie, sloppy-focus vs click-to-focus) |
| 06:09.05 | maquis | i agree that it's important to know the administrative tools for a variety of distros |
| 06:09.34 | maquis | but i don't see a problem with liking the administrative tools for a distro, and disliking the administrative tools for others |
| 06:09.39 | levi | maquis: Why are you defining set-up and administration as your productivity goals? Do you intend to work as a system administrator? |
| 06:09.57 | maquis | levi: no... but i'm saying that the rest of the time, it makes less of a difference |
| 06:10.06 | maquis | but before you can use a system, you have to set it up |
| 06:10.07 | tensai | I *am* a systems adminstrator and set-up is by far the least common thing I do |
| 06:10.23 | maquis | before you can use certain programs, you need to deal with the package management systems for a distro |
| 06:10.37 | levi | What programs? |
| 06:11.09 | maquis | levi: installing things that aren't yet installed, or uninstalling things that are installed that you don't want on your system |
| 06:11.41 | maquis | anyway... the only thing i've been trying to say is, different distros are for different types of people, and i think that's a good thing |
| 06:11.44 | levi | maquis: You still haven't defined what, exactly, your computer is supposed to make you productive at. |
| 06:12.48 | maquis | levi: i'm not sure how to define it exactly... i just found that whenever i was trying to do anything like installing software, setting up my desktop the way i wanted, and such, i kept finding quirks in ubuntu that annoyed me, and i decided it was not a distro that i could use as my own system |
| 06:13.50 | levi | I'm trying to point something out too. |
| 06:14.07 | maquis | levi: perhaps you don't see any differences when you're working in different distros |
| 06:14.10 | maquis | i do |
| 06:14.17 | levi | Oh, I see differences all right. |
| 06:14.26 | levi | But they are largely irrelevant. |
| 06:14.35 | levi | They have nothing to do with productivity. |
| 06:14.38 | maquis | i've found that, for my main system that i'm using from day to day, some details make it more annoying and frustrating |
| 06:14.45 | tene | such as? |
| 06:14.53 | levi | Unless I waste all my time fiddling with crap, which certainly reduces my productivity. |
| 06:15.13 | maquis | tene: such as ubuntu's insistance on installing 5 kitchen sinks by default |
| 06:15.20 | levi | For me, a computer is a tool I use to compose programs and documents. |
| 06:16.08 | levi | The number of kitchen sinks installed by default makes absolutely no difference in my ability to compose programs and documents so long as I can get my composition tools installed fairly easily. |
| 06:16.09 | maquis | levi: for me, it's that, and it's also something i use to tinker and learn about a variety of other things |
| 06:16.12 | levi | And I only have to do that once. |
| 06:16.50 | maquis | when it makes it harder for me to do the tinkering and such that i need/want to do, i consider that to be a problem |
| 06:16.51 | levi | maquis: And, since you are not planning to be a system administrator, those are not productive tasks. |
| 06:17.12 | maquis | levi: i would say that learning something is not unproductive, even if it's not something i'm going to do in my career |
| 06:17.19 | emcnabb | does anyone know of a way to have ssh-add accept a password from STDIN instead of prompting for it? |
| 06:17.24 | levi | So your preference of distro is along the lines of your preference of toys. |
| 06:17.32 | maquis | levi: to a degree, yes |
| 06:17.43 | maquis | which is why i'm claiming that there are different distros for different people |
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| 06:17.49 | maquis | which was my entire point |
| 06:18.07 | maquis | ubuntu is not one i would run on my own machine |
| 06:18.19 | maquis | and yet gentoo is not one i would give to a friend to install |
| 06:18.40 | emcnabb | this is driving me crazy |
| 06:19.16 | maquis | emcnabb: i dunno |
| 06:19.26 | mrpull | jsmith: that was a speedy upgrade... what did you swap in? |
| 06:19.47 | levi | You have to understand my position here, though. I see you spend huge amounts of time fiddling with your toy Linux systems and ignoring things that you really ought to be paying attention to, considering you want to be a programmer. |
| 06:20.40 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin jsmith |
| 06:20.42 | ibot | ACTION pulls jsmith underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 06:20.42 | maquis | levi: i understand, but i also don't think that te things i fiddle with are unimportant |
| 06:20.46 | levi | In pursuit of excellence in programming, the differences between Linux distributions become pretty meaningless. |
| 06:21.16 | levi | And becoming distracted by their myriad intricacies is largely a waste of time. |
| 06:21.51 | levi | They will be replaced in the future, while the fundamentals principles of programming will not. |
| 06:22.41 | levi | s/fundamentals/fundamental/ |
| 06:23.05 | jsmith | mrpull: Just something a little faster, plus a little more ram |
| 06:27.04 | jsmith | Back in a few... |
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| 06:28.27 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 06:28.43 | findlay | OK, I'm thinking it's a driver issue, since now the devices don't show up at all |
| 06:30.02 | bigdog_ut | findlay, what distro you using? |
| 06:30.08 | findlay | gentoo |
| 06:30.17 | bigdog_ut | u using udev? |
| 06:30.21 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:30.27 | bigdog_ut | reload udev |
| 06:31.33 | bigdog_ut | sudo /sbin/udevstart |
| 06:32.01 | bigdog_ut | check dmesg and see if you see it getting loaded |
| 06:32.29 | mrpull | findlay: install windows xp... it'll work then :-/ |
| 06:32.38 | bigdog_ut | yeah!!!! |
| 06:32.42 | mrpull | and with that.... i'm going to bed! |
| 06:32.56 | bigdog_ut | suse + windows xp |
| 06:39.34 | findlay | still "Seek failed" |
| 06:39.46 | bigdog_ut | oh...that sucks |
| 06:39.57 | bigdog_ut | you have the right ide controller |
| 06:48.51 | findlay | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 0 |
| 06:48.56 | findlay | ): |
| 06:52.01 | bigdog_ut | man that dont look good |
| 06:53.45 | findlay | I'm going to try with the generic ide driver. Have to reboot to unload this one |
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| 06:58.08 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 39 messages. Is idling for 7h 47m 38s, last said: 'or hardware raid'. |
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| 08:08.58 | jsmith | What'd you give up on? |
| 08:09.00 | jsmith | Sleep? |
| 08:09.23 | findlay | no, my crummy ide driver/hardware |
| 08:10.35 | jsmith | Ah |
| 08:11.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ah, for your server? |
| 08:12.20 | xbmodder_lappy | hah |
| 08:13.04 | xbmodder_lappy | don't put MP3s/MPEGS/ISOs (podcasts/vcasts/linux distros) on school servers |
| 08:16.46 | jsmith | Must.... stay.... awake... few... more... minutes |
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| 13:53.43 | elg | hm, what do you do when there's an existing OSS project that does half of what you want, which you could refactor majorly to do all of what you want, or rewrite in a few days? refactoring would be more work, and no guarantee the original author will accept it |
| 13:54.56 | graphyx | contact author and suggest what you are doing and see what they say before you start? |
| 13:55.45 | elg | done that. he's cordial enough but in his broken english he said: I think you will write good code. However I can not now promise to |
| 13:55.48 | elg | accept your patch. |
| 13:55.53 | elg | which is natural, of course. |
| 13:56.02 | elg | but I would feel bad sending him a patch that basically rewrites his whole thing |
| 13:57.53 | elg | if it were a big project, i'd just do a couple useful patches, get in the graces, and then grow my contribution |
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| 17:43.46 | findlay | everybody's got lots to say today |
| 17:44.45 | goozbach | giggity giggity goo! |
| 17:47.18 | herlo | alright... |
| 17:47.27 | herlo | <quagmire> |
| 17:48.10 | goozbach | giggity! |
| 17:53.46 | herlo | ibot: quagmire says giggity, giggity, aaaaallllllllrrrriiiight... |
| 17:54.10 | herlo | ~ibot: quagmire says giggity, giggity, aaaaallllllllrrrriiiight... |
| 17:54.23 | herlo | darn, did I miss something? |
| 17:54.52 | herlo | ibot: quagmire is giggity, giggity, aaaaallllllllrrrriiiight... |
| 17:54.53 | ibot | herlo: okay |
| 17:55.03 | herlo | ~quagmire |
| 17:55.04 | ibot | methinks quagmire is giggity, giggity, aaaaallllllllrrrriiiight... |
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| 18:18.00 | lars-ut | wow - I've got a menu now - it appeared to stall for about 3 minutes. |
| 18:18.38 | maquis | lars-ut: that's kinda scary... blue-screen.... ick |
| 18:19.12 | lars-ut | no progress meter, nothin on the debug screens either. dumb. |
| 18:19.52 | jsmith | lars-ut: Sounds like the problem Anaconda had 5 years ago... |
| 18:20.26 | lars-ut | this was my 3rd time going through it - just assumed it was me the first 2 times. |
| 18:21.15 | jsmith | Gotta hate that... |
| 18:23.48 | jsmith | Yuck... |
| 18:24.44 | lars-ut | Mmmm... installer submission. |
| 18:24.55 | lars-ut | Seems to be working fine now. |
| 18:25.16 | lars-ut | 1GB for boot (non-LVM) |
| 18:26.00 | lars-ut | 8GB for swap, & 364GB for / (both LVM) |
| 18:26.08 | lars-ut | Software 1 RAID |
| 18:26.20 | maquis | 8GB for swap??? |
| 18:26.28 | lars-ut | yep |
| 18:26.32 | maquis | y? |
| 18:26.45 | maquis | what's this machine for? |
| 18:27.34 | lars-ut | transcoding & storage of phone calls |
| 18:29.03 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:29.35 | dataw0lf | mmm transcoding |
| 18:37.30 | lars-ut | http://www.quiznos.com/menu/subs.asp |
| 18:38.00 | lars-ut | they key here is, "double-toasted" - brings out the flavor of the rat meat |
| 18:38.14 | lars-ut | good sauces though |
| 18:41.39 | elg | a vending machine here warms up my bugles when I buy them |
| 18:41.50 | elg | it does make them better |
| 18:44.25 | goozbach | lars-ut-away: there's the prime rib now |
| 18:44.38 | RyanE | the "Hot Tamales" candy in this vending machine need no heat. |
| 18:44.41 | goozbach | and don't knock rat meat |
| 18:45.38 | jsmith | Mmmmmn... sushi.... |
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| 19:30.26 | lars-ut | Quiznos was closed :( |
| 19:30.35 | lars-ut | Arby's drive-thru instead. |
| 19:36.31 | jsmith | :-( |
| 19:37.17 | lars-ut | yeah. |
| 19:37.17 | lars-ut | I was in a hurry. |
| 19:38.53 | jsmith | http://mosnews.com/news/2006/03/07/moneyfound.shtml |
| 19:38.59 | jsmith | Man, how would that be... |
| 19:40.07 | mrpull- | jsmith: dang... are those banner ads targeting men or what? |
| 19:43.18 | lars-ut | what banner ads? |
| 19:43.40 | mrpull- | from the link he posted. (good story... blush inducing ads) |
| 19:43.44 | lars-ut | wait, lemme open the link in internet explorer |
| 19:46.36 | jsmith | mrpull-: Hmmmn... I didn't have any bad banners ads |
| 19:49.04 | mrpull- | jsmith: they weren't naughty, just a little risque |
| 19:50.55 | lars-ut | RyanE: have you played Settlers of Catan: Cities & Knights before? |
| 19:51.15 | mrpull- | unclothed woman laying prone (no naughty bits showing) & close up of busty gal's bra |
| 19:51.56 | lars-ut | Carcasonne, Ticket to Ride, or basic Settlers of Catan |
| 20:00.09 | jsmith | No Cities and Knights? |
| 20:00.33 | jsmith | basic Settlers is fine then... |
| 20:07.39 | goozbach | KOTOR |
| 20:07.46 | goozbach | that's a fun game |
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| 20:23.11 | harleypig | anyone familar with webapp-config? |
| 20:26.05 | tene | ~kill harleypig |
| 20:26.06 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited fluxmeson gun at harleypig |
| 20:27.45 | harleypig | ahhhh! The excited fluxmeson gun is humpin' my leg |
| 20:29.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm beginning to see why the "Microsoft Tax" is such a problem... |
| 20:29.59 | ScytheBlade1 | The sound of $6k per server for *software* isn't a good one.. |
| 20:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, $9k for the initial, and then $7k for another |
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| 20:32.49 | brandon | Anyone know how to get around a windows lock on a file? .. I've been trying to figure this out for the last week. I'm downloading a huge mpeg file and want to start watching it before it finishes. Sounds simple, but Windows doesn't appear to let you open a file for reading when it's being written. This "just works" in linux as we know. Has anyone figured a way to get around this? Creating another type of FS that windows can read that doesn't |
| 20:39.41 | goozbach | brandon: this might be a question for #waa |
| 20:39.50 | goozbach | but everybody left |
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| 21:06.18 | RyanE | lars-ut: yeah, I've played Cities and Knights, but not for a year or two. |
| 21:06.32 | mrpull- | goozbach: let's hear the question |
| 21:07.20 | lars-ut | we'll likely play Carcasoone or basic Settlers then |
| 21:08.14 | Bradipo | And that they are simply alternative implementations of RFC(2)821 |
| 21:27.42 | goozbach | mrpull-: look at brandon's question |
| 21:35.24 | Bradipo | Anyone here ever use a code signing certificate? |
| 21:35.46 | Bradipo | like JavaSoft Developer Certificates? |
| 21:36.03 | Bradipo | My question is, what goes in the commonName? |
| 21:36.26 | Bradipo | Is it a domain name or some combination of words with a domain name? |
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| 22:21.39 | elg | boom |
| 22:21.43 | elg | my head just exploded |
| 22:39.49 | mrpull- | goozbach: doh. the solution is patience. |
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| 22:45.17 | nick125-treo | hello.. |
| 22:45.19 | levi | Gah, got a stupid modprobe binfmt-464c problem. |
| 22:45.29 | maquis | have to give a presentation in a bit |
| 22:45.32 | maquis | erm... |
| 22:45.43 | maquis | no idea where the /me is came from |
| 22:45.51 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:46.05 | maquis | it's an educational speech |
| 22:46.17 | maquis | i decided to do it on "how to get free, high-quality software |
| 22:46.26 | levi | For a class? |
| 22:46.33 | nick125-treo | lol |
| 22:46.50 | mrpull- | maquis: bittorrent? newsgroups? irc? ;-) |
| 22:47.00 | nick125-treo | haha yeah :) |
| 22:49.34 | levi | What is this 'high-quality software' stuff you speak of? I understand high-quality, and I understand software, but that odd juxtaposition of concepts... |
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| 22:52.26 | maquis | mrpull-: talking about ooffice, firefox, gimp, and trying to get people to download the SSS cd |
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| 23:42.15 | mrpull- | I'll take firefox (despite it's memory leaks), but OO.o and Gimp aren't ready to replace MS Office and Photoship (for me) at the current prices. |
| 23:42.48 | nick125_ | photoship? o.0 |
| 23:43.15 | linuxalien | ;) |
| 23:43.49 | tene | mrpull-: what do you use photoshop for? |
| 23:47.14 | mrpull- | tene: I actually use Photoshop Elements 4.x to store and edit family photos. It is a slick package. |
| 23:47.30 | tene | what editing do you do to them? |
| 23:47.46 | mrpull- | nothing that cant be done with gimp |
| 23:48.03 | tene | I'm not suggesting that. Just curious. |
| 23:48.04 | mrpull- | crop, fix redeye, composite, etc |
| 23:48.15 | tene | composite? |
| 23:48.35 | mrpull- | composite == take two pictures and combine them into one |
| 23:48.53 | tene | well, yes, but what sort of combination? |
| 23:49.29 | mrpull- | maybe change the background or stick in an extra person in a family photo |
| 23:52.46 | tene | for general management and simple changes, F-Spot seems to be very nice. |
| 23:54.00 | tene | redeye, brightness and color levels, cropping... |
| 23:56.10 | mrpull- | i really like the organizer in PE. |
| 23:56.21 | tene | I've never used it, so I can't compare. |
| 23:56.34 | mrpull- | it shares a lot of features with picassa |
| 23:56.39 | tene | I quite like the organization things in F-Spot. |
| 23:57.14 | tene | I haven't used it much, just fiddled around with it. I don't care much about photos, but if you do, you should check it out. |
| 23:57.24 | tene | I'd be curious to see how it compares to other stuff for a serious user. |
| 23:57.25 | jsmith | tene: I agree |
| 23:59.30 | mrpull- | oooh... the export to flickr option in f-spot is a feature i've wanted in PE for some time. |