| 00:01.29 | maquis | why did she email you a voicemail? |
| 00:02.58 | digistic | Oh Evan, I grew up near a place near and dear to your heart. |
| 00:03.07 | digistic | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Ft.+Madison,+IA+to+Nauvoo,+IL |
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| 00:04.22 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 00:04.42 | digistic | -lart ? |
| 00:04.52 | digistic | oops |
| 00:04.56 | elg | that's keen. only half of the existing PCs will be able to run vista |
| 00:05.24 | digistic | errr, perhaps only half will be able to run Vista in the highest performance mode |
| 00:05.36 | digistic | windows glass |
| 00:06.10 | digistic | aero glass, rather |
| 00:07.34 | emcnabb | digistic: cool |
| 00:07.53 | emcnabb | (that you lived near Nauvoo) |
| 00:08.04 | digistic | yeah... great wine and cheese |
| 00:08.10 | emcnabb | I've been there many times |
| 00:08.16 | digistic | i think they have a festival... hadn't attended though |
| 00:08.35 | emcnabb | yeah, the City of Joseph Pagent |
| 00:08.41 | emcnabb | I went there a few years ago |
| 00:09.02 | digistic | ate at the Hotel Nauvoo 6 months ago or so.... but my parents recently relocated to Phoenix.... i don't have family there anymore... |
| 00:09.06 | digistic | nice... |
| 00:09.19 | emcnabb | I'm actually playing with Vista as we speak |
| 00:09.33 | emcnabb | not too exciting |
| 00:09.37 | digistic | what build? |
| 00:09.48 | digistic | i'll have access to Feb CTP when it's released. |
| 00:10.04 | maquis | emcnabb: how's the sidebar? |
| 00:10.13 | emcnabb | Beta 2 |
| 00:10.25 | maquis | my debate coach was on the team in m$ research that came up with and made the initial versions of the sidebar |
| 00:10.28 | emcnabb | 5270.someinsanestring |
| 00:10.39 | digistic | installing over XEN? |
| 00:10.40 | maquis | from what i've seen, they dropped a *ton* of the cool features that they had going internally |
| 00:11.03 | emcnabb | no, just on a system here in the office |
| 00:11.53 | digistic | Feb CTP will be feature complete |
| 00:11.57 | digistic | Beta 2 isn't |
| 00:13.00 | digistic | Set for Feb 21 |
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| 00:13.55 | xbmodder_ | I can't believe I am using comcastic |
| 00:14.38 | digistic | Sidebar will work with gadgets: http://microsoftgadgets.com/ |
| 00:15.41 | digistic | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/sideshow.mspx |
| 00:16.06 | digistic | http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2772 |
| 00:16.07 | brac | [Microsoft Windows Vista SideShow - In-Depth (pics)] |
| 00:17.02 | digistic | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/sidebar.mspx |
| 00:17.03 | maquis | weird... |
| 00:17.08 | digistic | and i'm out... later |
| 00:17.11 | maquis | sideshow was the previous name for the sidebar |
| 00:17.54 | digistic | guess we got served |
| 00:18.00 | digistic | i'm out, have fun..... |
| 00:18.03 | maquis | later |
| 00:18.47 | emcnabb | digistic: later |
| 00:19.56 | emcnabb | the new version of solitaire is pretty fancy |
| 00:20.01 | maquis | haha |
| 00:20.15 | emcnabb | lot's o' eye-candy |
| 00:20.16 | digistic | later e, et al |
| 00:20.24 | emcnabb | it does looks cool though |
| 00:20.26 | maquis | naturally, if they're upgrading windows, they'd better upgrade its main program |
| 00:20.27 | maquis | :) |
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| 00:20.51 | nick125-treo | hey.. |
| 00:21.07 | emcnabb | they do show that Solitaire is rated "E for Everyone" |
| 00:21.13 | nick125-treo | LOL |
| 00:21.22 | emcnabb | same with minesweeper |
| 00:21.34 | nick125-treo | I would love to see a version of solitaire that's m rated hah |
| 00:21.34 | maquis | haha |
| 00:21.44 | nick125-treo | that would be funny |
| 00:21.49 | maquis | nick125-treo: i can imagine how they would do that, and i'm sure that someone's done it |
| 00:22.00 | nick125-treo | lol |
| 00:22.59 | emcnabb | the windows menu is a little weird |
| 00:23.09 | emcnabb | kind of hard for me to get used to |
| 00:27.31 | emcnabb | the control panel has a lot more in it now; at least it seems easier to find everything |
| 00:30.57 | emcnabb | time to head home |
| 00:36.24 | nick125 | hey |
| 00:41.00 | nick125 | mm.. |
| 01:11.30 | mrpull- | i've got a hard disk with 2 NTFS partitions on it |
| 01:11.37 | mrpull- | i'm trying to clone it with little success |
| 01:11.48 | mrpull- | ghost failed (hey i'm lazy) |
| 01:12.14 | mrpull- | dd if=/dev/had of=/dev/hdb fails too |
| 01:12.51 | mrpull- | the second partition actually shows up in windows |
| 01:13.13 | mrpull- | neither partition shows up in knoppix |
| 01:13.33 | mrpull- | of course the ONE file I need is on the first partition that I cant get to right now |
| 01:13.35 | mrpull- | any takers? |
| 01:15.18 | mrpull- | garrr... why does this happen on a friday night? |
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| 01:22.02 | elg | gah |
| 01:22.48 | elg | amavis upgrade decided to start bouncing stuff and I can't figure out how to configure it otherwise |
| 01:22.56 | elg | Feb 10 18:09:53 falcon amavis[1410]: (01410-10) Blocked BANNED (multipart/mixed | message/rfc822,Your Order with Amazon.com | text/plain,.asc), [198.60.22.202] [166.70.27.96] <hans@fugal.net> -> <erin@fugal.net>, quarantine: /var/lib/amavis/quarantine, Message-ID: <43ED3973.1070808@fugal.net>, mail_id: NS67D4h34WRI, Hits: -, 680 ms |
| 01:23.40 | elg | none or the keywords show up in grep -ri /etc/amavis |
| 01:27.26 | mrpull- | surfguitar++ |
| 01:28.11 | mrpull- | dd conv=noerror ... seems to have gotten me further than before :-/ |
| 01:29.46 | mrpull- | elg: ouch. is amavis just doing virus scanning or more? |
| 01:30.46 | elg | well it can filter based on mime-type too |
| 01:30.52 | elg | not allow exe files, etc. |
| 01:31.20 | elg | which is straightforward to configure, except I swear my configuration shouldn't block multipart/mixed, message/rfc822, text/plain, or .asc |
| 01:31.27 | mrpull- | i use a commercial tool. the suite of OSS stuff seems to be a PITA. |
| 01:31.36 | maquis | has anybody here ever used minivmac? |
| 01:41.00 | emcnabb | oh my |
| 01:41.33 | emcnabb | OpenOffice has a built in game (easter egg) |
| 01:41.40 | emcnabb | bloatware at its best |
| 01:42.05 | emcnabb | run =Game("StarWars") in OO Calc |
| 01:43.10 | xbmodder_lappy | lala |
| 01:43.56 | emcnabb | what does 'lala' mean? |
| 01:44.12 | xbmodder_lappy | I am bored |
| 01:44.26 | xbmodder_lappy | and singing the song of "Murphy's law" |
| 01:44.30 | emcnabb | gotcha |
| 01:44.55 | emcnabb | =Game(A1:C3;"TicTacToe") |
| 01:45.55 | xbmodder_lappy | how many games are there? |
| 01:46.25 | emcnabb | =StarCalcTeam() |
| 01:46.43 | maquis | does anybody know of anything besides stuffit and hexbin for opening .hqx files on linux |
| 01:46.46 | maquis | ? |
| 01:50.46 | findlay | vim? |
| 01:52.10 | findlay | ~lart findlay's car's wiring |
| 02:14.19 | findlay | everyone else has a life. That's why I'm alone on irc talking to myself on a Friday night |
| 02:14.37 | mrpull- | heh |
| 02:14.43 | mrpull- | maybe not everybody |
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| 02:28.15 | emcnabb | I prefer being home on a Friday night |
| 02:28.25 | maquis | w00t! |
| 02:28.29 | maquis | it works! |
| 02:29.44 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/castle.jpg |
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| 02:36.42 | elg | heh. what is that? is that an old game that was before your time? |
| 02:40.33 | maquis | elg: that game came out when i was 2 |
| 02:40.41 | maquis | it was my favorite game when i was little |
| 02:41.02 | maquis | and now i have it running on mac os6 on freebsd on my laptop |
| 02:41.25 | maquis | my mac os6 installation has a grand total of 12 MB of hard drive space |
| 02:53.42 | nick125_ | anyone here got any ideas on why my gentoo/xen setup isnt booting? |
| 02:53.53 | maquis | nick125_: my bet is on the kernel |
| 02:54.42 | nick125_ | maquis: I dont know what to check in the kernel though |
| 02:55.12 | nick125_ | because, i dont think its launching init |
| 03:12.49 | nick125_ | i have a feeling im gonna screw something up |
| 03:14.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmmm, gentoo |
| 03:14.31 | nick125_ | wewt 7.0 is emerging |
| 03:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I did that a while ago |
| 03:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Installed ~100 out of 289 packages |
| 03:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It was so very nice |
| 03:16.11 | nick125_ | lol |
| 03:16.19 | nick125_ | now only if xen worked :| |
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| 03:46.41 | maquis | nick125_: are your filesystem drivers built in? |
| 03:48.24 | nick125_ | yep, already checked that |
| 03:48.47 | nick125_ | it shows the root filesystem being mounted before the freeing kernel memory part |
| 03:53.05 | nick125_ | maquis: im starting to run out of hope of getting it working ever. |
| 03:53.20 | maquis | nick125_: just keep working |
| 03:53.26 | maquis | you'll get it somehow |
| 03:54.26 | nick125_ | the kernel is recompiling..tried removing some stuff from the kernel to try to make it not have 560 kernel modules |
| 04:06.23 | nick125_ | got it down to 234 modules |
| 04:09.34 | nick125_ | umm... |
| 04:09.50 | nick125_ | i wonder if forgetting to install a system logger would cause this problem |
| 04:10.03 | findlay | doubt it |
| 04:10.55 | nick125_ | any ideas what would cause it to halt? |
| 04:11.14 | findlay | could be a lot of things |
| 04:11.59 | nick125_ | such as? (i would really appriciate it if you could help me figure out what is going on so i can fix it) |
| 04:12.12 | findlay | need info |
| 04:12.22 | findlay | what kinds of errors, etc. |
| 04:12.37 | nick125_ | it locks up at "Freeing unused kernel memory: xxk" |
| 04:13.34 | nick125_ | i tried doing stuff like appending init=/bin/bash in grub, and bash didnt come up, and, it mounts / fine |
| 04:14.07 | findlay | did you try a genkernel? |
| 04:14.16 | nick125_ | nope |
| 04:14.55 | nick125_ | i heard of alot of errors with genkernel and the xen-sources package..plus, genkernel is just not my type |
| 04:14.58 | nick125_ | :) |
| 04:15.18 | findlay | oh, you're talking about booting inside of xen? |
| 04:15.35 | nick125_ | im making the dom0 (the host system) |
| 04:16.24 | findlay | I probably couldn't help much then |
| 04:18.17 | nick125_ | somethings better then nothing :/ |
| 04:19.23 | findlay | experiment more? |
| 04:19.32 | findlay | that's about all I can say |
| 04:21.50 | nick125_ | i think its kernel, but, i have no clue where to look |
| 04:23.56 | findlay | my advice, which may or may not differ from a sensible person, then is to go systematically through menuconfig, remove every option that you don't need and read the inline help on the ones you aren't sure about |
| 04:24.11 | nick125_ | would commenting out the swap line in the /etc/fstab cause the problem? :/ |
| 04:24.38 | findlay | this may take a very long time, but after a few (dozen) recompliles you will have a much firmer grasp of how the kernel is designed at least |
| 04:24.48 | findlay | it might |
| 04:25.05 | nick125_ | i commented it out a long time ago trying to see if that was causing the problem.. |
| 04:25.20 | nick125_ | i think ive recompiled the xen kernel like..6 times..in QEMU |
| 04:25.22 | findlay | swap is not really that necessary |
| 04:26.25 | nick125_ | it looks like (i was looking at some dmesg logs) swap comes after the unused kernel memory is freed |
| 04:33.49 | nick125_ | i wonder if selinux is being a problem.. |
| 04:34.58 | Uncle_Jesse | ~seen TimRiker |
| 04:35.03 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #classiccmp, 21h 8m 52s ago, saying: 'rotfl'. |
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| 04:37.02 | xbmodder_lappy | I love IBM |
| 04:37.17 | xbmodder_lappy | I want to make love to IBM |
| 04:37.19 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 04:37.27 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, hey nick125 |
| 04:38.18 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: im busy |
| 04:38.42 | nick125_ | :p |
| 04:40.21 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: want to help me strangle xen? |
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| 04:40.42 | xbmodder_lappy | sure |
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| 04:42.45 | nick125_ | mmm.. |
| 04:43.43 | nick125_ | xen-sources refuses to boot |
| 04:46.54 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh, god dangit |
| 04:48.13 | nick125_ | can i borrow that? |
| 04:48.20 | nick125_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.04 | xbmodder_lappy | should I make my kernel NOT oops |
| 04:50.07 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know how TimRiker got blootbot to have web stats? |
| 04:54.47 | nick125_ | gah openmotif wont compile |
| 05:02.32 | xbmodder_lappy | I can't believe I have a fried out MMU |
| 05:02.35 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, HAHA! |
| 05:03.51 | xbmodder_lappy | openmotif = evil; |
| 05:04.02 | levi | nick125_: What do you want to compile that for? |
| 05:04.30 | nick125_ | levi: the xorg-x11 ebuild wants it for some reason |
| 05:04.46 | levi | Oh, probably for a configuration thing. |
| 05:05.00 | levi | Is there some USE flag that would turn it off? |
| 05:05.10 | levi | (silly Gentoo) |
| 05:07.44 | nick125_ | lemme see whats triggering it |
| 05:08.10 | levi | My cat is wrestling with a toy stuffed cat. It's funny. |
| 05:08.23 | nick125_ | mesa! |
| 05:08.30 | nick125_ | and it has a motif useflag |
| 05:08.52 | nick125_ | lol |
| 05:09.03 | nick125_ | levi: that would be funny to get a pic of |
| 05:09.35 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, that was on the gentoo forums. |
| 05:09.49 | levi | We have a short video of him wrestling with the toy cat and getting spun around on the floor. |
| 05:10.40 | levi | http://www.xmission.com/~levi/SpinningCat.avi |
| 05:14.15 | xbmodder_lappy | This is hilarious |
| 05:14.53 | levi | What, the cat video? |
| 05:17.16 | xbmodder_lappy | that and the man |
| 05:17.21 | xbmodder_lappy | (movie) |
| 05:17.35 | levi | What man? |
| 05:18.10 | nick125_ | yay |
| 05:18.14 | nick125_ | xorg-server is emerging |
| 05:18.24 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 05:18.39 | nick125_ | yay only around..20 modules |
| 05:18.42 | xbmodder_lappy | http://imdb.com/title/tt0399327/ |
| 05:18.43 | brac | [The Man (2005)] |
| 05:18.44 | xbmodder_lappy | that man |
| 05:19.49 | nick125_ | no longer having 890 kernel modules!! :D:D |
| 05:21.09 | nick125_ | noo now it just reboots |
| 05:21.15 | dilvie | I don't suppose anybody knows if there's a cover tonight at Halo? |
| 05:21.47 | nick125_ | kernel panic...cant get the details :/ |
| 05:22.53 | levi | dilvie: Sorry, don't think there are a lot of clubbers here. |
| 05:23.05 | levi | (I assume Halo is a club...) |
| 05:23.13 | dilvie | halo is a club |
| 05:23.19 | dilvie | and you're mostly right |
| 05:23.23 | dilvie | there are a couple, though. |
| 05:23.25 | dilvie | =) |
| 05:23.34 | dilvie | I was just hoping on the off chance.. |
| 05:23.36 | nick125_ | hmm...it cant open root /dev/hda3 |
| 05:23.48 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, This is #utah... i don't think that #utah would have clubbers in it. |
| 05:24.12 | xbmodder_lappy | This is one of the most conservative places on IRC (apart from #gentoo) that I have seen :-/ |
| 05:24.21 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Um, yeah. And you think you need to tell me this why? |
| 05:24.25 | nick125_ | lol |
| 05:24.36 | xbmodder_lappy | s/levi/dilvie/ |
| 05:24.39 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, WHY!? |
| 05:24.46 | dilvie | yay perl book |
| 05:24.52 | dilvie | which perl book? |
| 05:25.07 | levi | I've been to a few SLC clubs, but I'm certainly not a regular. |
| 05:25.11 | nick125_ | i got a XML book, a RHCE book, a XML/python book, a palm os book, a programming with python book, and a perl 6 essentials book |
| 05:25.15 | mrpull- | i have an urge to buy the 4th edition llama even tho i have the 3rd and and the camel and ram |
| 05:25.17 | nick125_ | all for under $25 =) |
| 05:25.40 | dilvie | I'm the promoter for Saturday nights at Halo. |
| 05:25.42 | mrpull- | each for under 25? or all for under 25? |
| 05:25.45 | dilvie | I own knobtweakers.net |
| 05:25.50 | dilvie | and I'm a geek. |
| 05:25.51 | nick125_ | mrpull-: total |
| 05:25.55 | dilvie | In utah. |
| 05:26.08 | mrpull- | dang. sounds like a good deal. where? |
| 05:26.16 | nick125_ | it was in the clearance section :) |
| 05:27.06 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, god dang, couldn't you get a domain? |
| 05:27.08 | mrpull- | ahhh... don't worry about being more specific |
| 05:27.25 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: no money available online |
| 05:27.25 | xbmodder_lappy | dilvie, your a geek thats made it well. |
| 05:27.27 | levi | dilvie: Don't mind xbmodder. He's a teenaged groupie of one of the Guru Labs guys or something. ;) |
| 05:27.32 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 05:28.11 | dilvie | hrm |
| 05:28.25 | dilvie | who was going to help me with my plugin? |
| 05:28.29 | dilvie | I forgot. ); |
| 05:28.33 | xbmodder_lappy | what plugin? |
| 05:28.35 | levi | dilvie: Probably hans? |
| 05:28.42 | dilvie | levi: yes, hans. =) |
| 05:28.42 | mrpull- | dilvie: i think it was hans |
| 05:28.51 | levi | I think xbmodder's purpose in life is to annoy mheath. |
| 05:29.03 | elg | dilvie: that would be me |
| 05:29.05 | elg | (hans) |
| 05:29.11 | dilvie | hi hans! =) |
| 05:29.15 | dilvie | any progress? |
| 05:29.15 | elg | I'm probably 2 hours from having it finished |
| 05:29.20 | dilvie | really? |
| 05:29.23 | dilvie | cool! |
| 05:29.23 | elg | have been for two weeks. :) |
| 05:29.24 | mrpull- | hans: i've always wondered why you kept the dual nicks |
| 05:29.33 | dilvie | do you need anything from me? |
| 05:29.38 | levi | The question is when you're going to get those two hours to hack on it, eh? :) |
| 05:29.43 | elg | mrpull-: I tend to be boring, but then I tend to get tired of being boring |
| 05:29.46 | elg | so I used to use elg at work |
| 05:29.51 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, not anymore, I've tried to become friends with him, but its impossible. |
| 05:29.53 | elg | then I don't work, so I used elg on the laptop |
| 05:29.58 | elg | then I flipflopped that |
| 05:30.03 | findlay | mrpull-: dual nicks is faster |
| 05:30.05 | dilvie | I kicked out the new knobtweakers design |
| 05:30.08 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: He probably finds that highly annoying. |
| 05:30.08 | elg | then someone else started grabbing hans when I stopped screening |
| 05:30.09 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/ |
| 05:30.13 | dilvie | should be all valid xhtml / css |
| 05:30.14 | elg | so I just set elg as the default |
| 05:30.21 | dilvie | not fluid |
| 05:30.26 | elg | I'm mostly elg now. for at leat a month. |
| 05:30.35 | levi | elg: Someone keeps grabbing levi, but I keep kicking him. |
| 05:30.53 | elg | yeah I did that with hans for awhile, but felt sorry for the guy |
| 05:30.56 | mrpull- | ahhh... cool. i'm always interesting in nick origins (even when they are not interesting) |
| 05:30.58 | dilvie | yeah, urm. We have nickserv here. =) |
| 05:31.13 | elg | even though I shouldn't. I grabbed it fair and square back when they cleaned out the nick registry. ;-) |
| 05:31.17 | dilvie | mine is interesting! |
| 05:31.18 | xbmodder_lappy | I need to find leilas... |
| 05:31.25 | xbmodder_lappy | again |
| 05:31.29 | dilvie | mrpull: what's your nick origin? |
| 05:31.30 | mrpull- | ok dilvie: let us hear it! |
| 05:31.41 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath is my only way, but its he won't give me the answer. |
| 05:31.44 | elg | I still own it. sometimes I kick him when I need apower trip |
| 05:31.55 | elg | less fuss than turning off reply-to on plug |
| 05:32.07 | mrpull- | it is dumb. last name is pollmann... my friends used to call me mister pull to give me crap. i adopted it instead of fighting it. |
| 05:32.43 | dilvie | my nick was originally lynx (bbs days).. then I got on the internet, and there were too many people using that nick, so I changed it to dilvish (a character from Dilvish, the Damned, a fantasy novel by Rodger Zelazney). |
| 05:32.45 | elg | elg is danish for moose, btw. |
| 05:32.46 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:33.16 | elg | nobody knows how xbmodder* got his name |
| 05:33.18 | findlay | I always thought it was E-L-G, (: |
| 05:33.19 | dilvie | I was hanging out on #trax in '95, just after it split from efnet #coders |
| 05:33.23 | mrpull- | elg: what is danish for elk? |
| 05:33.37 | dilvie | staying up until the sun came up, talking to a bunch of aussie demosceners |
| 05:33.39 | elg | probably elg. :) moose and elk are similar |
| 05:33.48 | dilvie | and they kept shortening it to "dilvie" |
| 05:33.51 | elg | not sure how similar |
| 05:33.55 | dilvie | and it eventually stuck. |
| 05:34.08 | dilvie | see how many references to geek culture I managed to cram into that story? |
| 05:34.13 | levi | I went by 'Hedgehog' on the Lower Lights BBS in SLC. I'm not sure why. |
| 05:34.13 | xbmodder_lappy | elg, oh, I used to hangout on EFnet in #xbins (xbox modding channel) |
| 05:34.24 | mrpull- | like how bison and buffalo are similar? ;-) |
| 05:34.30 | elg | I used to go by yodler |
| 05:34.41 | mrpull- | levi: Sonic? He was the man. |
| 05:35.00 | elg | it's still a cool nick, but my memories of me as yodler are a bit childish |
| 05:35.00 | levi | mrpull-: No, it didn't have anything to do with Sonic. |
| 05:35.26 | elg | sjansen would roll in his grave if he knew how I used to behave on irc. ;-) |
| 05:35.40 | mrpull- | dilvie: the nerd factor was pretty high on that one |
| 05:35.42 | levi | Heh. |
| 05:36.03 | mrpull- | elg: sjansen is dead? |
| 05:36.03 | levi | elg: Hopefully not like xbmodder and/or mheath! |
| 05:36.16 | elg | no, but those planes are kind of like coffins |
| 05:36.23 | elg | at least for big people like me |
| 05:36.30 | nick125_ | woah |
| 05:36.36 | elg | levi: much more annoying |
| 05:36.38 | nick125_ | no wonder why that kernel couldnt mount /dev/hda3 |
| 05:36.39 | elg | but maybe less arrogant |
| 05:36.46 | nick125_ | it didnt have ATA/ATAPI support |
| 05:36.48 | elg | you know, mirc, auto-dcc sound files, that sort of thing |
| 05:36.53 | elg | colors |
| 05:37.04 | elg | we didn't have bots where I used to hang out though. |
| 05:37.06 | mrpull- | elg: I cant see it. |
| 05:37.07 | dilvie | we should do a big #utah bbq this summer. |
| 05:37.12 | dilvie | that would be neat. |
| 05:37.23 | dilvie | everybody bring laptops |
| 05:37.27 | dilvie | show off our latest hacks. |
| 05:37.32 | elg | we can all irc while we eat! |
| 05:37.43 | dilvie | elg: of course. |
| 05:37.54 | elg | mrpull-: is that sarcasm? |
| 05:38.06 | elg | oh, and I forgot the netsplits |
| 05:38.12 | Newsome | hrm. Can we have the bbq next week so it's before I leave? |
| 05:38.33 | elg | undernet had some pretty impressive netsplits, and we figured out how to ride them, pretending to be other people and getting in time-delayed arguments with ourselves |
| 05:38.37 | findlay | Newsome: where are you going!??@! |
| 05:38.37 | dilvie | nick: mental note: ATA/ATAPI support = important. |
| 05:38.38 | mrpull- | elg: not at all. i gather you are a good guy. i've never thought you were being annoying. (Even when baited to) |
| 05:38.41 | elg | Newsome: where you going? |
| 05:38.43 | Newsome | moving to Chicago |
| 05:38.51 | Newsome | anyone want my job at BYU? |
| 05:38.54 | findlay | who will go to the court for groklaw???!@ |
| 05:39.06 | Newsome | not me. I've done my duty! :) |
| 05:39.11 | dilvie | Newsome: what's waiting for you in Chicago? |
| 05:39.13 | elg | mrpull-: phew. :) to tell the truth, I wasn't relatively annoying. it was par for the channel |
| 05:39.19 | elg | we all thought we were so cool |
| 05:39.21 | Newsome | I got a job at UBS |
| 05:39.31 | dilvie | what's UBS? |
| 05:39.45 | findlay | the season sponsor for the Utah Symphony? |
| 05:39.47 | Newsome | http://www.ubs.com/ |
| 05:40.00 | Newsome | hmm, |
| 05:40.16 | dilvie | findlay: are they? |
| 05:40.17 | dilvie | cool. |
| 05:40.24 | Newsome | Union Bank of Switzerland |
| 05:40.26 | findlay | yup |
| 05:40.34 | dilvie | What wil you be doing for UBS? |
| 05:40.48 | elg | heh. " a global financial firm with the heart and soul of a two-person organization" |
| 05:40.54 | Newsome | they've got 3000 Linux IBM blades |
| 05:40.59 | dilvie | will, rather. |
| 05:41.03 | elg | ibot, UBS is a global financial firm with the heart and soul of a two-person organization |
| 05:41.04 | ibot | okay, elg |
| 05:41.14 | findlay | (: |
| 05:41.25 | dilvie | ibot, what is UBS? |
| 05:41.27 | ibot | dilvie: what are you talking about? |
| 05:41.36 | findlay | ibot: yo |
| 05:41.38 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 05:41.38 | elg | ibot, UBS also is a company with 3000 Linux IBM blades |
| 05:41.39 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, elg |
| 05:41.55 | elg | ibot, UBS is also a company with 3000 Linux IBM blades |
| 05:41.56 | ibot | okay, elg |
| 05:42.00 | findlay | hans swap/also/is/ |
| 05:42.01 | Newsome | I'll be working here - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=100401 |
| 05:42.18 | nick125_ | must resist hurting stupid barking dog.. |
| 05:42.19 | findlay | ~UBS |
| 05:42.20 | ibot | hmm... ubs is a global financial firm with the heart and soul of a two-person organization, or a company with 3000 Linux IBM blades |
| 05:42.33 | dilvie | neat-o |
| 05:42.41 | elg | dilvie: I can probably get to it tomorrow, if you're around to test it |
| 05:42.47 | dilvie | I was planning a trip to Chicago this summer, but it's been cancelled. |
| 05:42.52 | dilvie | no UBS tour. |
| 05:42.53 | elg | it would be fairly anticlimactic to finish it and nobody to share it with |
| 05:43.03 | dilvie | elg: I'm always around. |
| 05:43.16 | elg | ah, but are you always awake? |
| 05:43.25 | elg | :) |
| 05:43.29 | dilvie | just address my nick properly, and I'll get paged |
| 05:43.32 | mrpull- | g'night all... time to go home |
| 05:43.35 | dilvie | ie, dilvie: come test! |
| 05:43.49 | elg | ok. I'll let you know if I get a chance |
| 05:43.59 | dilvie | Oh hell, tomorrow is saturday. |
| 05:44.04 | elg | btw, do you know of a good free VST-using prog on osx? |
| 05:44.29 | dilvie | elg: free as in open-source? |
| 05:44.34 | elg | free as in beer would be fine |
| 05:44.53 | elg | and also free as in I don't have to click through 10 pages and give out my pet's blood type |
| 05:45.28 | elg | and also free as in it won't stop working after two weeks or two hours |
| 05:47.20 | findlay | or pester you with popups that shamelessly switch the "yeah!" and "No way buster" buttons advertising the "pro" version that want to open up explorer for no good reason |
| 05:47.26 | dilvie | elg: renoise.com |
| 05:47.35 | dilvie | that's the software I intend to use it in. =) |
| 05:48.06 | elg | renoise 1.5.2 demo then? |
| 05:48.14 | dilvie | yeah. |
| 05:48.26 | elg | ok, cool |
| 05:48.42 | dilvie | the only crippled in the demo is the .wav renderer |
| 05:48.52 | dilvie | s/only/only thing/g |
| 05:49.02 | dilvie | wow |
| 05:49.05 | elg | I just need to test the VST thingie |
| 05:49.09 | dilvie | ibot is actually useless |
| 05:49.24 | dilvie | s/useless/useful/g |
| 05:49.32 | elg | heh |
| 05:49.44 | elg | -insult ibot |
| 05:49.44 | brac | ibot is a gleeking pile of squishy seagull puke |
| 05:49.55 | levi | Heh, gleeking. |
| 05:50.17 | elg | off to bed. cyas |
| 05:50.23 | dilvie | later. =) |
| 05:53.48 | dilvie | I want this: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ |
| 05:53.49 | brac | [Multi-Touch Interaction Research] |
| 05:54.03 | maquis | dilvie: knobtweakers.net is your site, right? |
| 05:54.16 | dilvie | maquis: yes. |
| 05:54.59 | maquis | dilvie: the "what is knobtweakers" link is broken |
| 05:55.06 | maquis | just thought i'd pass that along |
| 05:55.30 | dilvie | maquis: I know. Thanks. =) |
| 05:55.40 | maquis | dilvie: cool :) |
| 05:55.55 | dilvie | hehe |
| 05:55.57 | dilvie | do you like the site? |
| 05:56.04 | maquis | looks pretty nice |
| 05:56.47 | dilvie | the "what is knobtweakers" bit is one of the many broken new features. =) |
| 05:56.59 | dilvie | it's just waiting to be slapped into the template and uploaded. |
| 05:57.01 | maquis | i've been trying to expand my music interests somewhat recently :) |
| 05:57.14 | dilvie | I also broke the music player. |
| 05:57.19 | maquis | :) |
| 05:57.22 | dilvie | and that's unfortunate, because it's very cool. |
| 05:57.30 | maquis | always good to at least know *what* you broke :) |
| 05:57.34 | dilvie | it plays the music that's hyperlinked on the page. =) |
| 05:57.48 | dilvie | I'm fixing the music player right now. |
| 05:57.53 | maquis | cool |
| 05:58.09 | maquis | does it require any plugins? |
| 05:58.09 | dilvie | working example here: http://www.knobtweakers.net/netlabel/ktwk001/ |
| 05:58.15 | dilvie | uh, flash, I believe. |
| 05:58.17 | dilvie | ); |
| 05:58.29 | maquis | erm... hmmm |
| 05:58.32 | dilvie | unfortunately, mp3 playback isn't built in to most browsers. |
| 05:58.34 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 05:58.36 | maquis | i really need to get that working |
| 05:59.04 | findlay | dilvie: what would you play otherwise? |
| 05:59.21 | dilvie | findlay: what do you mean? |
| 05:59.36 | findlay | for mp3 playback on the browser |
| 06:00.30 | dilvie | what would I play for mp3 playback on the browser? |
| 06:00.41 | dilvie | am I retarded? |
| 06:00.52 | dilvie | that doesn't seem to make sense.. |
| 06:01.12 | findlay | if mp3 playback is built into most browsers, you would play some mp3, right? |
| 06:01.33 | dilvie | findlay: oh, yeah, uh, you apparently missed the conversation. |
| 06:01.39 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/ |
| 06:02.27 | dilvie | maquis: anyway, you don't need flash to appreciate the best of compilation, which provides a good overview of the type of music featured on knobtweakers |
| 06:02.29 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/netlabel/ktwk001/ |
| 06:12.47 | maquis | dilvie: cool |
| 06:12.57 | maquis | i'll look through those a bit |
| 06:13.06 | dilvie | enjoy. |
| 06:13.10 | maquis | i will |
| 06:13.10 | maquis | :) |
| 06:13.53 | maquis | what does "not podsafe" mean? not for podcasting? |
| 06:14.42 | dilvie | yeah, it means don't put it in a podcast without getting permission from the copyright holder |
| 06:15.11 | dilvie | most of it is podsafe |
| 06:15.16 | maquis | ah |
| 06:15.17 | dilvie | but a couple pieces are not |
| 06:15.47 | dilvie | dance with someone else vocal edit |
| 06:15.47 | maquis | i'd never heard that term, but i'm not really into the podcast scene that much :) |
| 06:15.49 | dilvie | not podsafe |
| 06:16.03 | dilvie | hide and seek remix is not podsafe |
| 06:16.13 | dilvie | into the light -- not podsafe |
| 06:16.55 | dilvie | neither is fingerpaint |
| 06:17.02 | dilvie | or out of zone |
| 06:17.08 | dilvie | I think the rest are |
| 06:17.13 | dilvie | maybe. =) |
| 06:17.14 | dilvie | don't quote me. |
| 06:17.41 | maquis | :) |
| 06:18.02 | dilvie | I'm pretty deep into the online music culture |
| 06:18.15 | dilvie | I've been releasing my music online since the BBS days |
| 06:18.50 | dilvie | Most of this wording is mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netlabel |
| 06:18.56 | dilvie | ie, I wrote it. |
| 06:19.17 | maquis | cool |
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| 06:58.07 | flyboy^ | Can anyone recommend additional IRC channels that have a social/OSS/free topic format they enjoy? |
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| 07:02.25 | findlay | modular X, kernel-2.6.16-rc1, ... man, my geek points just keep adding up |
| 07:04.18 | findlay | oops, make that -rc2 (: |
| 07:09.24 | dilvie | what's modular X? |
| 07:09.41 | findlay | X11-R7 |
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| 07:30.34 | maquis | ~64920*2 |
| 07:30.40 | ibot | 129840 |
| 07:30.57 | maquis | ibot: thanks |
| 07:30.57 | ibot | maquis: gern geschehen |
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| 07:31.42 | flyboy^ | Remind me to map /quit to '/say NOOOOO! You do NOT wanna do that!' |
| 07:33.53 | findlay | ~\int_1^\infty \sin\left(x^n\right) dx |
| 07:34.36 | maquis | ~129840*2 |
| 07:34.38 | ibot | 259680 |
| 07:36.49 | findlay | how do I get the xresources of a window already running? |
| 07:57.44 | Newsome | xwininfo or xprop tell you what you're looking for? |
| 07:59.19 | findlay | which one's better? |
| 08:00.03 | Newsome | not sure |
| 09:19.05 | nick125_ | wow... |
| 09:19.23 | nick125_ | xen-sources, with a almost default kernel config, installs 1,414 kernel modules |
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| 16:26.57 | digistic | interesting job application: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/art/132889556.html |
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| 17:40.02 | goozbach | w00t! |
| 17:42.28 | Uncle_Jesse | is there an Ubuntu repository somewhere with Firefox 1.5 in it? |
| 17:47.27 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: you might want to grab http://uug.byu.edu/ubuntu.tgz |
| 17:48.04 | maquis | there's a script in there that'll update your sources.list, and it'll also give you some optons of some other cool stuff to install (flash, java, etc) |
| 17:48.22 | maquis | you can thank michael moore for it (he's come in a few times under the name stuporglue) |
| 17:49.03 | Uncle_Jesse | like the liberal michael moore? |
| 17:49.07 | maquis | no |
| 17:49.13 | maquis | like the uug's michael more :) |
| 17:49.14 | maquis | er |
| 17:49.15 | maquis | moore |
| 17:49.18 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - cool |
| 17:49.22 | maquis | :) |
| 17:49.28 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't think I've met him before |
| 17:49.30 | Uncle_Jesse | thx |
| 17:50.04 | maquis | he's also got some things as options on the script that you probably aren't *as* interested in (like "libraries needed for cs240 chess project") :) |
| 17:50.20 | maquis | but it's a useful script that i've started pointing out to people |
| 17:52.21 | findlay | think of him as more like Sir Thomas Moore |
| 17:53.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm going to reinstall with kubuntu instead as well - I like kde much better than gnome |
| 17:54.53 | findlay | isn't the difference just a couple of packages? |
| 17:56.02 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I guess I could just install kde, but I'm very interested to see how kubuntu sets up kde out of the box - gnome was very pretty on first install. |
| 17:56.47 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd say of all the distros I've tries so far, Ubuntu gets it - easy install, and it "just works" |
| 17:57.00 | Uncle_Jesse | and pretty interface out of the box too |
| 17:57.13 | Uncle_Jesse | looking forward to see if google does something with it |
| 17:57.33 | Uncle_Jesse | s/tries/tried/ |
| 17:59.14 | digistic | kubuntu |
| 17:59.21 | digistic | oops |
| 17:59.39 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: i think you can apt-get install kubuntu or something |
| 18:00.10 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: really? That would be nice - I'll try that |
| 18:00.20 | maquis | :) |
| 18:00.26 | maquis | i'm not certain, but i think so |
| 18:04.53 | digistic | easyubuntu looks nice |
| 18:06.15 | digistic | better multimedia support out of the box |
| 18:06.26 | emcnabb | morning all |
| 18:06.41 | digistic | morning |
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| 18:13.03 | digistic | ahh, using x-chat now in ubuntu vice trillian in windows |
| 18:13.17 | emcnabb | cool |
| 18:13.27 | emcnabb | I like xchat |
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| 18:13.59 | emcnabb | the only reason I used IRSSI is I move around a lot (especially when I'm traveling), and it's nice to not get disconnected so much |
| 18:14.03 | digistic | what's the url to the ubuntu script someone mentioned? |
| 18:14.08 | digistic | i wanna check it out |
| 18:14.17 | emcnabb | use IRSSI |
| 18:14.20 | findlay | -URLs |
| 18:14.21 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help urls' |
| 18:14.21 | maquis | digistic: http://uug.byu.edu/ubuntu.tgz |
| 18:14.37 | digistic | ah, how does IRSSI prevent u from getting disconnected so much? i'll read about IRSSI |
| 18:15.04 | digistic | just noticed i have firefox 1.5 running.. i need to fig out how to upgrade it to patched ver |
| 18:15.20 | emcnabb | I ssh into my server that's permanently online, and run IRSSI from there in a screen session |
| 18:15.31 | emcnabb | so if my ssh session dies, I'm still connected |
| 18:15.37 | emcnabb | several people on #utah do the same |
| 18:16.21 | emcnabb | well, time to go run more errands |
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| 18:16.49 | digistic | nice.. i'll read about it... i really like the gnome interface much better than windows. easy to customize with http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 18:17.36 | findlay | wow, now that I've run a torrent all night, all these wierd hosts are trying to connect to port 6881 |
| 18:17.42 | digistic | have fun... |
| 18:18.06 | digistic | thx maquis |
| 18:18.52 | maquis | digistic: np |
| 18:18.56 | lars-ut | $68 for 1GB SD card w/usb controller/connector from Costco |
| 18:18.58 | lars-ut | http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11092176&whse=&topnav=&cat=2255&b=1 |
| 18:19.31 | digistic | heh, now i just need to figure out what to do with the tgz file |
| 18:19.32 | findlay | can't you just take one GB out of a hard drive? |
| 18:19.37 | findlay | and use that? |
| 18:19.49 | maquis | lars-ut: that's not bad! |
| 18:21.18 | digistic | wusb would be neater probly |
| 18:21.48 | lars-ut | Did memory prices drop this week? |
| 18:24.41 | digistic | i don't have a "server" at my place..... i have my laptop which i take around..... |
| 18:25.02 | digistic | so not sure if IRSSI would do anything for me |
| 18:25.33 | maquis | digistic: borrow someone else's server :) |
| 18:26.00 | lars-ut | "Spot prices for flash memory have fallen 20 per cent so far this year." |
| 18:26.03 | lars-ut | http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=13817&Page=1&pagePos=3 |
| 18:26.12 | digistic | use someone else's? privacy? |
| 18:26.34 | maquis | digistic: get someone else to let you borrow their server and run irssi |
| 18:26.38 | maquis | that's what i do... |
| 18:26.55 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: ooh |
| 18:26.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I could then turn my cell phone into a nano |
| 18:27.15 | Uncle_Jesse | and swap out playlists as well :-) |
| 18:27.29 | Uncle_Jesse | ipod really needs an apple-branded cellphone |
| 18:27.33 | digistic | define "borrow their server...." physically borrowing it? or utilizing their server's resources remotely? |
| 18:27.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd be the first to buy if it was a true smartphone |
| 18:27.50 | maquis | digistic: utilizing their server's resources |
| 18:27.51 | digistic | sorry if that appears silly |
| 18:27.52 | digistic | k |
| 18:28.08 | maquis | i just ssh into a server and run irssi there |
| 18:28.25 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - I can't believe the ease of setup of this Ubuntu install |
| 18:28.39 | Uncle_Jesse | I would probably proudly let my grandma use this one |
| 18:28.52 | mheath | Haha, I was just having this same discussion in another channel. |
| 18:29.00 | digistic | can't convince my grandma to use email, computer, etc |
| 18:29.10 | digistic | tempt her with picture updates, weblogs, etc... no go |
| 18:29.11 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: that's how I'm chatting here - running off my server - stays up all the time |
| 18:29.12 | mheath | Ubuntu is nice. I think all I did was press enter about 4 times (with one reboot in the middle) |
| 18:29.19 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 18:29.25 | Uncle_Jesse | but you can also be specific if you want |
| 18:29.31 | Uncle_Jesse | seems faster than fedora too |
| 18:29.31 | mheath | It's the only linux distribution I feel comfortable giving to people who are only mildly familiar with computers and saying "Here, try this." |
| 18:29.50 | digistic | i'm running ubuntu now and am impressed.. although i'm a linux neophyte... save for a bit of knowledge and emcnabb's teaching |
| 18:29.50 | Uncle_Jesse | are they a public company? |
| 18:29.57 | digistic | not public, no |
| 18:30.08 | digistic | ubuntu is all about free |
| 18:30.12 | Uncle_Jesse | darn - I like to invest in technologies that impress me |
| 18:30.34 | digistic | maybe a spinoff company will actually support ubuntu.. u could invest in that if they were public |
| 18:30.52 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I have a feeling Google could be that support in the future |
| 18:31.01 | digistic | google?? |
| 18:31.02 | Uncle_Jesse | trying to decide if they're overpriced though |
| 18:31.12 | digistic | http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions |
| 18:31.14 | Uncle_Jesse | google "google and ubuntu" |
| 18:31.20 | Uncle_Jesse | or goobuntu |
| 18:31.32 | findlay | booguntu? |
| 18:31.40 | lars-ut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211319 |
| 18:31.46 | brac | [A-DATA Turbo 4GB Secure Digital (SD) Card - Retail at Newegg.com] |
| 18:31.50 | digistic | i'd stay away from GOOG for now |
| 18:32.09 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: $196 |
| 18:32.13 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I kinda feel the same way - they need to stable out a bit |
| 18:32.21 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: that's cheaper than a nano too |
| 18:32.28 | digistic | Uncle_Jesse, : do u like technical analysis? |
| 18:32.42 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: some times |
| 18:32.51 | digistic | i've been learning and put some of my thoughts on a wiki: http://digistic.wikispaces.com |
| 18:34.35 | digistic | GOOG has negative divergence in Chaikin Money Flow, neg divergence in MACD, below 0 in MACD.. at RSI of 31.3 it is technically a bit oversold... not all indicators confirm.. most are negative.. i'd stay away |
| 18:35.16 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I also go off of gut instinct and my gut says to wait on this one |
| 18:35.23 | digistic | neg divergence in +DI for ADX |
| 18:35.28 | digistic | yah |
| 18:35.38 | Uncle_Jesse | I am very interested in seeing what Vonage sells for in its IPO though |
| 18:35.45 | digistic | i like stockcharts.com |
| 18:36.00 | digistic | IPOs scare me kinda |
| 18:36.25 | digistic | cuz TA is based on price history, volume, etc.. and there's just no data to support yet |
| 18:36.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I haven't spent much time researching out there. I generally just follow the analyst opinion, as well as hype and popularity of the stocks. I then watch their finances for long-term stability and to decide how soon to sell |
| 18:36.59 | digistic | vonage needs to implement QOS before peeps can take VOIP seriously in consumer sector |
| 18:37.08 | Uncle_Jesse | It's worked for me so far |
| 18:37.12 | digistic | u use vonage? |
| 18:37.16 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: yeah |
| 18:37.28 | Uncle_Jesse | I wouldn't recommend it for my grandma though, unless I set it up |
| 18:37.34 | digistic | how hard do u drive your internet connection? |
| 18:37.41 | digistic | dropoffs? |
| 18:37.48 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: pretty hard, but my linksys router supports qos |
| 18:37.55 | Uncle_Jesse | there were dropoffs before the qos |
| 18:37.56 | digistic | ahhh, which router? |
| 18:38.06 | digistic | did u install new firmware or stock? |
| 18:38.31 | Uncle_Jesse | linksys srx200, stock firmware at the moment |
| 18:38.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I've used other firmwares before though |
| 18:38.50 | Uncle_Jesse | you have to download the latest off their website though to get qos |
| 18:39.24 | digistic | i read IBD and like to filter stocks from IBD 100, IBD 85-85, IBD New America.. i import these stocks into stockcharts.com chart lists and look at the charts in candleglance so can see 32 charts at a time |
| 18:39.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm using the medium quality on the vonage settings, not many problems at all thus far |
| 18:39.51 | digistic | ok.. but why use vonage if u have a cell phone? |
| 18:40.02 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - that's a good idea on the stocks |
| 18:40.13 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: my wife likes to have a real phone to work with |
| 18:40.30 | Uncle_Jesse | also, for 2 cellphones it's more expensive |
| 18:40.35 | digistic | ahh, that's why i'm not married... don't have to buy vonage |
| 18:40.47 | Uncle_Jesse | than a cheap, low-hour family plan and vonage |
| 18:40.49 | digistic | makes sense though |
| 18:41.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm a big fan of it now though - get voicemail in my e-mail now |
| 18:41.21 | digistic | my company was looking at consumer voip for mobile workers |
| 18:41.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd love to see them offer a free desktop client though |
| 18:42.01 | digistic | did some analysis and recommended callvantage / vonage... but they just need to make QOS work out of the box |
| 18:42.46 | digistic | vonage seems much more mainstream than skype |
| 18:43.03 | Uncle_Jesse | I still think with the IPO they may be able to do that. I think the popularity and being the top in their game may make their stock go up on trading day. |
| 18:43.42 | Uncle_Jesse | The question comes, what is google going to be doing in regards to voip? |
| 18:43.46 | digistic | so you're going to watch it closely if u see momentum? and if so, hop on? |
| 18:44.00 | Uncle_Jesse | They do have google talk, and it could be an excellent advertising source and consumer data source. |
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| 18:44.23 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I'm going to see what their stock is listed to start at and base my decision on that |
| 18:44.33 | lars-ut | I still have problems if I don't throttle down bittorent traffic - I wonder if I put my Motorola ATA on a DMZ if that will stop |
| 18:44.36 | digistic | the point of google talk is interoperability for chat clients..... |
| 18:44.49 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: do you have qos on your router? |
| 18:44.57 | lars-ut | I still have problems if I don't throttle down bittorent traffic - I wonder if I put my Motorola ATA on a DMZ if that will stop |
| 18:45.03 | digistic | base decision on initial stock price?? |
| 18:45.05 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I am willing to bet they integrate it into some sort of voip solution though |
| 18:45.06 | lars-ut | oops |
| 18:45.16 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jess: yes - with pfsense |
| 18:45.37 | digistic | google talk? yeah, of course they will eventually... msn is doing this with live messenger |
| 18:45.50 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: what they're listing to start their IPO stock price at |
| 18:45.58 | digistic | live messenger, google voip talk... these will just be skype competitors |
| 18:46.11 | digistic | but i don't think it's a direct competitor to vonage |
| 18:46.53 | digistic | why do u care what the stock price is listed at? i only care about where stock price is trending |
| 18:46.53 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I don't think skype is a competitor, but I do think google could be. If they pull off this private internet like they want to, they will eventually essentially be a consumer phone service |
| 18:46.55 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: I've only tried QoS by host address & traffic types so far though |
| 18:47.17 | lars-ut | port numbers/protocols |
| 18:47.20 | scottj | any recommendations on a good torrent client for windows? |
| 18:47.25 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: based on the stock price, I can guess whether I feel it is low or too high for it to trend up |
| 18:47.26 | lars-ut | utorrent.com |
| 18:47.34 | digistic | private internet? oh, all the dark fiber and sun servers? |
| 18:47.42 | lars-ut | scottj: Azureus is a pig |
| 18:47.52 | digistic | i dumped azureus for utorrent |
| 18:47.56 | lars-ut | me too |
| 18:48.19 | digistic | utorrent avail on *nix? |
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| 18:48.27 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: they just partnered with a wireless provider out in CA, and plan on offering their own, free internet to customers willing to participate |
| 18:48.49 | nick125_ | yay xorg-x11 7.0 didnt screw up my system |
| 18:48.58 | digistic | i read about that... why do u think, UJ? |
| 18:49.05 | lars-ut | didigistic: not sure - I use bittornado from command line on *nix |
| 18:49.34 | digistic | ooh, command line torrent.. nice |
| 18:49.42 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I think if that works out, and they expand their service worldwide, it gives them grounds to own their own network for consumer phone calls |
| 18:49.50 | scottj | what do you think a reasonable P/E or maketcap for vonage is? |
| 18:50.09 | Uncle_Jesse | they are all about advertising, and the more consumer data and trends they can collect, the more targeted and valuable advertising they can provide |
| 18:50.28 | digistic | honestly, i don't care about P/E or market cap in making buy/sell decisions.. but others think differently |
| 18:50.38 | Uncle_Jesse | scottj: it all depends on the hype around the stock when it goes public |
| 18:51.22 | lars-ut | digistic: 'nice btdownloadcurses.py --url "http://s4.hopto.org:89/SSS_win_2006.01.iso.torrent" --max_upload_rate 1010' works well in a screen session... |
| 18:51.24 | digistic | wireless provider? like 802.11? wonder if wimax will take off.... or by wireless u mean 3g cell networks? |
| 18:51.26 | Uncle_Jesse | if there's a lot of hype and tv advertising, a higher price may be possible to go up. That is probably not the best way of deciding whether to buy stocks or not though - it's just what's worked for me |
| 18:51.37 | scottj | digistic: just a gut-feeling investor? |
| 18:52.00 | digistic | not gut feeling at all! i study TA and look at fundamentals via IBD |
| 18:52.06 | digistic | made 50% last month |
| 18:52.09 | Uncle_Jesse | scottj: that's more of my style |
| 18:52.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I rely a lot on the experts though |
| 18:52.43 | Uncle_Jesse | let them do the stat studying |
| 18:52.54 | digistic | i have an investing mentor too.... |
| 18:52.56 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 18:52.57 | ibot | dooom doooom doom |
| 18:53.15 | digistic | Uncle_Jesse: I agree... I like to read the experts views too... |
| 18:53.40 | digistic | well, the experts i take creedence in |
| 18:53.45 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - it's hard to say any one method - I just kind of take the lump sum of it all, and then rely on my gut feeling |
| 18:53.54 | digistic | yup |
| 18:54.01 | Uncle_Jesse | Suze Orman always says if your gut says no, then don't do it, and I agree |
| 18:54.50 | digistic | so u like ETF's? stock portfolio? |
| 18:56.04 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: what's an ETF? |
| 18:56.24 | digistic | exchange traded fund.... like a mutual fund without the fees, i think |
| 18:57.06 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - haven't dealt much with those. I do most of my trading within my IRA. |
| 18:57.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I like International funds |
| 18:57.24 | Uncle_Jesse | at the moment at least |
| 18:57.30 | digistic | which ones? |
| 18:57.43 | digistic | good time to be bullish on telecom stocks |
| 18:57.46 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I'm doing one from Fidelity at the moment that's done well for me |
| 18:58.08 | digistic | oh, just general international and not focused on a certain country or region? |
| 18:58.20 | Uncle_Jesse | RHAT did well for me a couple years ago - 5x the price I bought it for now |
| 18:58.25 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: yes |
| 18:58.56 | digistic | 5xer? very nice... |
| 18:59.18 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - that's a little known one that has done very well |
| 18:59.19 | digistic | i'm in CHRW and BMD at the moment |
| 18:59.42 | Uncle_Jesse | ~quote CHRW |
| 18:59.55 | digistic | oh, heh.. nice |
| 18:59.57 | Uncle_Jesse | ~quote BMD |
| 19:00.09 | Uncle_Jesse | what companies are those? |
| 19:00.18 | Uncle_Jesse | (or funds) |
| 19:00.31 | digistic | CH Robinson Worldwide (Trucking Firm) |
| 19:01.02 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting - wouldn't that go down though with gas prices doing what they are? |
| 19:01.04 | digistic | Birch Mountain Resources (metals or other natural resources i think) |
| 19:01.15 | digistic | transports had been doing well |
| 19:02.06 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting - haven't thought of those to do well lately |
| 19:02.14 | digistic | i've seen experts i care about recommend CHRW recently.... it struck above resistance, and i swooped in |
| 19:02.15 | Uncle_Jesse | wonder why they're doing well now |
| 19:02.42 | Uncle_Jesse | gas prices just scare me away from anything that uses gas-related |
| 19:02.50 | digistic | not sure.... not sure i care... only care that they are doing well ;) |
| 19:02.55 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - definitely |
| 19:03.09 | Uncle_Jesse | gut and trends are what to go by for sure |
| 19:03.33 | digistic | yeah.. and if trend starts to weaken or change... then i slowly sell off |
| 19:03.34 | Uncle_Jesse | my flaw is I let logic overpower my spending at times |
| 19:03.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I could have made a ton with Google had I just followed my gut |
| 19:03.57 | digistic | was heavy in AAPL and sold all @ 84 a while ago |
| 19:04.06 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: I wish I had back then, too |
| 19:04.14 | maquis | ~verbify sjansen |
| 19:04.20 | digistic | i've actually just started investing for real like 6 months ago |
| 19:04.24 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm going to have to wait until Christmas season again I'm worried |
| 19:04.46 | digistic | worried about AAPL? |
| 19:04.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I've been doing it on and off for the last 7, but I'm by far no expert |
| 19:05.14 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: not too worried, but I have a feeling they're not going to go back up to 84 until EOY |
| 19:06.18 | digistic | AAPL just going through a correction.. i'll look to get back in it eventually.... trying to pick out the bottom.... |
| 19:06.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I'm hoping |
| 19:07.11 | digistic | they have cool products in the pipeline... new version of OS X, Mac Mini DVR, wireless Ipod, Ipod with touch screen interface |
| 19:07.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm holding off on selling though until they get to at least 80, depending on the trend |
| 19:07.34 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I'm kinda hoping those drive the stock price |
| 19:07.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I think they're on fire right now business-wise |
| 19:07.43 | digistic | read an article on digg showing how a nano substance could be used to harden the screen on ipods to prevent scratches |
| 19:07.52 | digistic | holding off on selling? |
| 19:07.56 | Uncle_Jesse | that would be cool |
| 19:07.59 | digistic | hoping it gets higher...? |
| 19:08.01 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: yeah, for now |
| 19:08.09 | digistic | i assume you already have a profit? |
| 19:08.21 | digistic | you're prob a more long-term investor |
| 19:08.29 | Uncle_Jesse | digistic: not really - I just bought them end of last year around $70 or so |
| 19:08.46 | digistic | i'm gonna look at the chart now |
| 19:09.01 | Uncle_Jesse | I bought off of their fire, also due to Christmas season being a good time for retailers |
| 19:09.08 | maquis | gah |
| 19:09.23 | Uncle_Jesse | well, last christmas season at least |
| 19:09.32 | digistic | the chart still doesn't look good |
| 19:09.44 | digistic | it very well may go down a fair amount more |
| 19:10.17 | digistic | could see it hitting 60... prob no lower than 55 |
| 19:10.32 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 19:10.38 | digistic | 6 month support is there |
| 19:11.06 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I've gtg - gotta logout and get some work done |
| 19:11.16 | digistic | but no doubt it will recover |
| 19:11.23 | digistic | ok UJ, nice meetin ya |
| 19:11.23 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I agree |
| 19:11.26 | Uncle_Jesse | you too digistic |
| 19:12.25 | scottj | digistic: what investing software do you use? |
| 19:12.44 | digistic | just web stuff, really |
| 19:12.54 | digistic | stockcharts.com for Technical Analysis |
| 19:13.18 | digistic | and i like to look regularly at charts in IBD 100, IBD 85-85 and IBD New America |
| 19:13.35 | digistic | candleglances.. so i can see lots of charts at same time.. more efficient |
| 19:14.20 | digistic | i like that.. because i'm looking at a universe of stocks with good fundamentals.... and then i just focus on good charts |
| 19:14.32 | digistic | but i also monitor trends in the general market and hot sectors |
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| 19:14.39 | dilvie | hd |
| 19:14.41 | dilvie | hi |
| 19:14.43 | dilvie | elg |
| 19:14.44 | dilvie | =) |
| 19:14.48 | digistic | what about u, scottj? |
| 19:14.57 | elg | howdy |
| 19:16.13 | scottj | digistic: I'm looking for something cheaper than tradestation to experiment |
| 19:16.33 | digistic | oh.. you have experience in automated trading systems? |
| 19:16.41 | dilvie | elg: any progress? |
| 19:16.41 | digistic | i've put together some TA screens |
| 19:16.57 | elg | | |
| 19:17.11 | elg | no, just got to the computer |
| 19:17.16 | digistic | what do u want to experiment with, scottj |
| 19:17.23 | dilvie | elg: cool. =) |
| 19:17.28 | elg | and I *should* put in a couple of hours work first. |
| 19:17.29 | elg | :) |
| 19:17.35 | dilvie | I've got a meeting at 2:00, and another meeting at 7:00 |
| 19:17.53 | dilvie | and at 8:00 I have to take off and get to the club. |
| 19:18.00 | scottj | digistic: industries and macroeconomic indicators |
| 19:18.54 | digistic | what about industries and macro indicators specifically? |
| 19:20.08 | elg | cool |
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| 19:20.52 | scottj | well I haven't delved too deeply, I'm still very new to investing, but I guess it's more a linear regression but I'd like to look at 8 or so categories of indicators and see how their effect on different sectors, so I can use those effects and the forecasted indicators to evaluate sectors |
| 19:21.53 | scottj | but also I'd like to just be able to test different trading strats in the past and see what their result would be at a given time without having to put it all in excel |
| 19:22.17 | scottj | another thing I want is to be able to graph anything, such as %change of NI |
| 19:24.17 | digistic | which indicators or categories thereof are u interested in? |
| 19:25.11 | digistic | yeah... that's the ticket... formulate your system and then backtest it... of course, it won't necessarily work in the future but it can make u feel better |
| 19:26.05 | scottj | I've got a whole lost of them at work, I don't remember them all right now, but you know, tax, productivity, trade, exchange, inflation, spending, ... |
| 19:26.12 | scottj | s/lost/list |
| 19:27.13 | scottj | TA just looks at graphs to guestimate if they'll go up or down right using patterns? |
| 19:27.27 | scottj | s/right// |
| 19:27.47 | scottj | coool, didn't know ibot did that |
| 19:28.12 | scottj | oh, because I never put the last / |
| 19:28.27 | digistic | TA is more than just graphs |
| 19:28.38 | digistic | stats... volume, momentum, trends |
| 19:29.11 | digistic | http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/index.html |
| 19:29.12 | brac | [Overview] |
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| 19:46.31 | digistic | http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/techAnalysis1.html |
| 19:46.32 | brac | [Technical Analysis] |
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| 19:49.40 | scottj | reading it, thanks for the link, it's good |
| 19:49.57 | digistic | yw... it's logical.. rational.... |
| 19:50.16 | scottj | but you know, http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/analyzeSecurities.html expresses pretty much what I think |
| 19:50.17 | brac | [Why Analyze Securities?] |
| 19:50.21 | digistic | i think it helps make predictions better.... it's not perfect... but helps |
| 19:50.56 | maquis | GRRR!!!! |
| 19:51.47 | digistic | moo |
| 19:52.54 | digistic | ahh, nice.. am following these directions: http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/analyzeSecurities.html |
| 19:52.55 | brac | [Why Analyze Securities?] |
| 19:53.00 | digistic | oops.. wrong |
| 19:53.27 | digistic | meant this: http://www.mail-archive.com/uug-list@uug.byu.edu/msg17449.html |
| 19:53.28 | brac | [[uug] Fwd: Post install script for tomorrow] |
| 20:03.42 | digistic | i have firefox 1.5 running in ubuntu breezy... but "help -> check for updates" is greyed out |
| 20:04.26 | scottj | digistic: is there anywhere you can get current prices for free? |
| 20:04.42 | digistic | real time prices? |
| 20:04.53 | scottj | yeah |
| 20:05.02 | digistic | integrating with? |
| 20:05.37 | scottj | ? probably to put in a db |
| 20:05.37 | digistic | i've read about this, haven't played with it too much: http://www.quotetracker.com/index_nn.asp |
| 20:05.38 | brac | [Medved QuoteTracker] |
| 20:07.35 | scottj | what about just data? |
| 20:07.54 | digistic | i don't understand how you want to see the data |
| 20:08.12 | digistic | u want stock prices logged each second? minute? hour? |
| 20:10.12 | scottj | like, I want an easy way to get the current price, or request the price at a given time, and also get data about volume etc. |
| 20:10.17 | scottj | like from a db |
| 20:11.53 | digistic | what's the point of real-time data if you're looking at it historically? |
| 20:12.15 | digistic | maybe i misunderstood the earlier question |
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| 20:17.17 | scottj | well the real time data would be helpful if I was actually making trades |
| 20:26.57 | digistic | i pay $10 a month for real-time info at stockcharts... think u can get free stuff with that medved quotetracker.. and think u can log data from it |
| 20:26.59 | digistic | but u'll have to check |
| 20:27.18 | digistic | ok, trying to upgrade firefox from 1.5 to 1.51... |
| 20:27.33 | digistic | downloaded the firefox file and extracted it... |
| 20:27.54 | digistic | assume i should just copy the contents to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox ? |
| 20:28.48 | digistic | ran "sudo cp *.* /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox" |
| 20:28.56 | digistic | then i ran firefox again... but old ver |
| 20:30.04 | digistic | without sudo, i see "can't create reg file... permission denied" |
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| 20:55.27 | digistic | automatix should work, i spose |
| 20:58.33 | digistic | have people played with gdesklets much? |
| 20:59.27 | digistic | y? |
| 20:59.38 | nick125_ssh | i never thought to disable kqemu to fix my xen booting issue |
| 21:00.24 | digistic | oh, that would have been the first setting i would have checked |
| 21:00.29 | digistic | (sureee.....) |
| 21:02.25 | nick125_ssh | lol |
| 21:02.30 | nick125_ssh | oh great.. |
| 21:02.46 | nick125_ssh | i forgot to remove like..1,414 kernel modules from my /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 file |
| 21:04.44 | digistic | ah, well glad u got it figured out.... i've never played with xen... using vmware workstation now to run ubuntu |
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| 21:16.33 | ctr_ | that's right |
| 21:27.53 | JoshH | wow, i never knew that |
| 21:33.51 | findlay | it's always a joy to rediscover Beethoven |
| 22:25.56 | ctr_ | findlay: so tell me then, how many sheets are there on a roll of toilet paper? |
| 22:26.08 | ctr_ | My guess was 800 |
| 22:26.14 | ctr_ | but I'm probably too hight |
| 22:26.15 | digistic | what brand? |
| 22:26.15 | ctr_ | -t |
| 22:26.20 | ctr_ | Does it matter? |
| 22:26.24 | ctr_ | isn't there some industry standard? |
| 22:26.26 | digistic | yeah, it differs |
| 22:26.30 | ctr_ | Ahh.. |
| 22:26.31 | digistic | only in the EU |
| 22:26.36 | ctr_ | Hmm |
| 22:26.37 | ctr_ | Go figure |
| 22:27.16 | digistic | you can only call it "toilet paper" if it was made in the toilet region of france |
| 22:27.23 | ctr_ | understood |
| 22:27.37 | ctr_ | is it anal heigiene tissue paper? |
| 22:27.41 | digistic | but that pretty much covers the whole country |
| 22:27.53 | digistic | sure, that sounds about right |
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| 22:31.43 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 22:31.57 | emcnabb | oh yeah |
| 22:32.02 | findlay | oh no |
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| 22:32.51 | emcnabb | libata pass-through actually works (on 2.6.15) |
| 22:32.59 | ctr_ | cat /dev/urandom | figlet |
| 22:33.06 | ctr_ | it basically rocks the irc flood methods |
| 22:33.28 | emcnabb | smartctl finally reports something... |
| 22:33.42 | findlay | libata is the new ata layer right? |
| 22:34.44 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 22:48.10 | emcnabb | now hddtemp works too |
| 22:48.43 | findlay | I was happy this week to discover hdparm -E 1 /dev/cdrom |
| 22:50.51 | emcnabb | cool |
| 22:51.00 | emcnabb | well, time to get more important things done |
| 22:51.12 | emcnabb | well, important is relative, right? |
| 22:51.14 | emcnabb | later |
| 22:51.22 | findlay | bye |
| 23:05.36 | findlay | how much does 480 GB cost? |
| 23:29.16 | findlay | heh, I have a computer trying to connect to the SQL-Server port |
| 23:29.53 | findlay | no doubt trying to shove in some malware through an exploitable hole |
| 23:35.26 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 23:38.58 | findlay | Good afternoon, Dr. Levi. |
| 23:39.09 | levi | Yo. |
| 23:39.10 | findlay | I trust I find you in good health? |
| 23:39.26 | levi | Indeed. |
| 23:50.50 | nick125_ | damn...this tar is taking forever to uncompress |
