| 00:00.20 | goozbach | tensai: thanks |
| 00:00.30 | goozbach | that can get a bit annoying |
| 00:00.41 | goozbach | esp when it's sjansen singing... |
| 00:01.58 | goozbach | well time to be off |
| 00:02.00 | goozbach | tootles |
| 00:05.18 | harleypig | maquis: are you the owner of tuxgirl.com? |
| 00:28.51 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, can you get me a blackdog with a discount? Like a student discount? |
| 00:30.00 | xbmodder_lappy | harleypig, probably |
| 00:33.49 | xbmodder_lappy | lala |
| 00:33.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Still hungry |
| 00:40.09 | tene | tapeworms |
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| 00:54.22 | xbmodder_lappy | tapeworms are bad |
| 00:55.31 | xbmodder_lappy | I should upgrade my speakers on this thing |
| 01:05.47 | emcnabb | our puppy had tapeworms |
| 01:05.53 | emcnabb | it was pretty nasty |
| 01:06.04 | emcnabb | she got a shot, and grew a ton that week |
| 01:06.12 | emcnabb | (it was visable) |
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| 01:06.56 | emcnabb | that is, I noticed how much she had grown when I got back from a week long trip |
| 01:13.28 | maquis | emcnabb: glad she's better! |
| 01:16.46 | maquis | harleypig: yup... why? |
| 01:18.29 | goozbach | so tired |
| 01:18.29 | maquis | ~ |
| 01:18.35 | goozbach | and tonight I'll sleep |
| 01:18.39 | maquis | you too? |
| 01:18.52 | maquis | oh... lucky |
| 01:19.00 | goozbach | no I mean I WILL sleep tonight |
| 01:19.18 | goozbach | I found linden flower tea |
| 01:19.34 | maquis | mmk |
| 01:21.28 | goozbach | some day I'll play mud football in a tuxedo |
| 01:21.52 | maquis | wha?? |
| 01:23.37 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf? |
| 01:23.43 | xbmodder_lappy | what are you on? |
| 01:24.19 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: my guess is sleep deprivation |
| 01:24.23 | maquis | i've got plenty if you want some |
| 01:24.44 | xbmodder_lappy | sure, Share some with #utah |
| 01:25.19 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: cool... you can do my 478 project... |
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| 01:45.05 | elg | where might I find a 1-quart tall cylindrical jar (or plastic) |
| 01:45.16 | elg | not a regular canning jar - about half the diameter |
| 01:45.43 | maquis | elg: what for? |
| 01:45.51 | elg | start |
| 01:47.37 | elg | graduated cylinder, that's the magic words |
| 01:48.06 | goozbach | this is GOOD tea |
| 01:49.03 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone listen to Jak ? |
| 01:49.21 | elg | http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=14&product%5Fid=14039 |
| 01:49.47 | elg | like that. the 1000 ml one. I could live with 500ml though. wonder if there's a chemistry supply store nearby |
| 01:52.43 | elg | I thought animated gifs were made illegal |
| 01:52.44 | elg | http://www.chemistry.nmsu.edu/Instrumentation/Inst_Teach.html |
| 01:52.44 | brac | [Inst_Teach] |
| 01:53.00 | xbmodder_lappy | valentines day? |
| 01:53.07 | xbmodder_lappy | when is valent |
| 01:53.10 | xbmodder_lappy | ines day? |
| 01:53.17 | emcnabb | elg: that's bad |
| 01:53.51 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: soon |
| 01:55.01 | xbmodder_lappy | Feburary 15... |
| 01:55.06 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: nope |
| 01:55.40 | xbmodder_lappy | doesn't valentine's day say so |
| 01:56.00 | xbmodder_lappy | s/valentine's day/wikipedia/ |
| 01:56.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Date February 14 |
| 01:56.50 | maquis | yes |
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| 01:59.44 | goozbach | good tea |
| 02:03.38 | goozbach | dspam is a bear |
| 02:05.07 | tene | http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF043BCBearBoy.html |
| 02:05.07 | brac | [randomized PBF comic strip] |
| 02:07.02 | goozbach | I wanna be a bear |
| 02:07.49 | tene | you would |
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| 02:08.01 | tene | Hhhhhhhello |
| 02:08.20 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: you grew? |
| 02:10.00 | maquis | ah |
| 02:10.03 | maquis | erm |
| 02:10.05 | maquis | wrong window |
| 02:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm |
| 02:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | KDE 3.5.1 |
| 02:34.08 | tene | Mmm |
| 02:34.14 | tene | Gnome 2.12.3 |
| 02:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | pfft, gnome |
| 02:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | USE SOMETHING THAT.... erm, that |
| 02:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | You can, you know, actually use ;) |
| 02:35.05 | tene | actually, I use e17 |
| 02:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I never got what was so amazing about e in all honesty |
| 02:35.41 | tene | 16 is decent |
| 02:35.47 | tene | 17 is quite nice, to me at least |
| 02:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Why though? |
| 02:35.55 | goozbach | good tea |
| 02:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Why should I switch from the classic KDE? |
| 02:36.03 | tene | light, fast, pretty, stays out of my way, does what I want it to do |
| 02:36.12 | goozbach | me buzzes happily off to dreamsville |
| 02:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | All of those apply to KDE, haha |
| 02:36.21 | maquis | kinda like how Uncle_Jesse turned into a bot last night |
| 02:36.40 | tene | some would argue that light and fast don't apply |
| 02:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | For KDE? Some would, yes |
| 02:36.50 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: kde is not *light* or *fast* |
| 02:36.55 | maquis | evilwm is light and fast |
| 02:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But it honestly just gets faster with every release |
| 02:37.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Then in turn, neither is e. |
| 02:37.08 | tene | I know that when I run KDE I have to wait for ages staring at a loading screen |
| 02:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | What version? |
| 02:37.18 | tene | before I can use it |
| 02:37.22 | tene | 3.5.1 |
| 02:37.28 | maquis | the version in the cs labs takes for ever |
| 02:37.38 | maquis | i can get into evil in < 1 second |
| 02:37.44 | tene | e17 pops right up immediately after I enter my password |
| 02:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Here's the thing that I love about it |
| 02:37.50 | tene | yeah, < 1 second |
| 02:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I can work on a file basically anywhere in the world as if it was a local file |
| 02:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | kioslaves are AMAZING |
| 02:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Over any protocol |
| 02:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Give me a desktop enviroment that can do that, and I'll consider using it ;) |
| 02:39.17 | tene | console + FUSE |
| 02:39.20 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not there to be a 'window manager', it's there to be a complete desktop enviroment |
| 02:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is |
| 02:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | FUSE eh |
| 02:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That fun new filesystem in the kernel? |
| 02:40.25 | tene | something like that, yeah |
| 02:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | How would one work it? |
| 02:44.04 | tene | sshfs hostname: mountpoint |
| 02:44.06 | tene | for example |
| 02:44.53 | tene | http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=KIO+Fuse+Gateway |
| 02:45.14 | tene | you can mount kioslaves |
| 02:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay |
| 02:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That is *disturbingly* useful |
| 02:46.51 | tene | fuse_kio /your/mountpoint fish://user@host/ |
| 02:47.11 | tene | http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems |
| 02:47.16 | brac | [FUSEWiki - FileSystems] |
| 02:47.29 | tene | there isn't a kioslave for gmailfs |
| 02:47.31 | tene | is there? |
| 02:47.34 | tene | or wikipedia? |
| 02:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | There is one for gmail |
| 02:48.02 | tene | or bittorrent files? |
| 02:48.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html |
| 02:48.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And wikipedia, what the |
| 02:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | How does that even work |
| 02:48.36 | tene | flikr |
| 02:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | WHEE, WEBDAV |
| 02:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sold. |
| 02:49.00 | tene | there isn't a webdav kioslave? |
| 02:49.05 | ScytheBlade1 | There is one |
| 02:49.05 | tene | I was *sure* there was... |
| 02:49.09 | tene | oh, okay |
| 02:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I'm sold. |
| 02:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | hey, and safe R/W NTFS |
| 02:49.25 | ScytheBlade1 | " Captive provides full secure and transparent write support for Microsoft's proprietary NTFS file system by utilizing the original ntfs.sys driver of Windows XP. While earlier releases used LUFS, version 1.1.6.1, released Dec. 29. 2005 has been ported to FUSE." |
| 02:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I like |
| 02:49.36 | tene | unionfs is done with fuse, I believe |
| 02:49.59 | tene | you can do a local versioning filesystem with fuse |
| 02:50.20 | tene | mount a wordpress blog |
| 02:50.32 | tene | mount a mythtv server |
| 02:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Wordpress blog, meh |
| 02:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the NTFS, WebDAV, and SSH that get me |
| 02:51.07 | ScytheBlade1 | and then add in kioslaves and it's like... |
| 02:52.00 | tene | and, just for the sake of completeness, I'm going to mention that there's an e project in development right now building a VFS layer. |
| 02:52.16 | tene | I don't know if or how it's going to be integrated into the desktop environment. |
| 02:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the kioslaves that got to me |
| 02:53.08 | tene | 'kay |
| 02:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Then, add in the sheer number of developers working on it, and the ream of apps, and KDE is still a win |
| 02:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But.. hey, I'll be able to *use* most anything with a networked VFS similar to KDE's |
| 02:53.29 | tene | m'eh |
| 02:53.43 | tene | there isn't too much in KDE really for me. |
| 02:53.53 | tene | I like it, but I feel more comfortable in e17 |
| 02:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I put about 30 minutes into setting up KDE |
| 02:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't touch the mouse for hours on end |
| 02:54.34 | tene | I spent about three hours playing with the config stuff in KDE a little while back, just to see what was there |
| 02:55.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It's made to be "user friendly," which imo just prevents people from actually configuring more so than otherwise |
| 02:55.32 | tene | some of the stuff in Gnome is kind of interesting to me. |
| 02:55.37 | tene | Beagle, for example. |
| 02:55.49 | tene | and Dashboard, which isn't really being maintained. |
| 02:55.53 | ScytheBlade1 | But I resize/move/order/etc windows with the keyboard, switch desktops, everything that the mouse does, I do with the keyboard |
| 02:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Beagle is the one gnome app (less GAIM and the gimp) that I'd like to run |
| 02:56.12 | ScytheBlade1 | The whole 'built in mono' thing doesn't really help it, though |
| 02:56.20 | tene | can set all that up in e just fine, for what it's worth |
| 02:56.31 | tene | I don't think that you can in Gnome, though... |
| 02:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Set what up exactly? |
| 02:57.02 | tene | window manipulation with the keyboard like you described. |
| 02:57.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all in the keyboard for me |
| 02:58.02 | tene | I just asked raster about vfs and e |
| 02:58.22 | tene | it won't be part of e17 |
| 02:58.24 | tene | maybe e18 |
| 02:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Another thing that I love about KDE, is the ability to make global hotkeys for any program period, regardless if the program supports them or not |
| 02:58.31 | tene | definitely some future release. |
| 02:58.39 | tene | I don't understand that. |
| 02:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I shall have to give it a spin in the future then :) |
| 02:58.49 | tene | I don't know what you mean. |
| 02:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | With the hotkeys? |
| 02:58.57 | tene | yes |
| 02:59.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Use xmms? |
| 02:59.06 | tene | I have before. |
| 02:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | the play/pause/stop/etc keys are z, x, c, v, and b |
| 02:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | XMMS doesn't natively support 'global hotkeys' |
| 02:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | With KDE, I can set it up so I can press ctrl+alt+x, and it'll send 'x' to the XMMS window |
| 02:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Even if it doesn't have focus, or is in the tray, etc |
| 03:00.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Any app, any key |
| 03:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You can also map actions, or the ... spacing on the name |
| 03:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | DCOP! KDE's IPC for KDE apps |
| 03:00.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mouse guestures, etc |
| 03:00.34 | ScytheBlade1 | All in there |
| 03:00.42 | tene | dcop is pretty cool |
| 03:00.47 | tene | I've looked at it a few times |
| 03:01.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It has a really good concept, I just wish that more non "shipped with KDE" apps would support it more |
| 03:03.59 | synic | on that note, amarok is awesome. It kinda makes me wanna try KDE out again |
| 03:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | KDE also, with 3.5, got all of the HAL and DBUS stuff working |
| 03:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | amarok is amazing too |
| 03:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | But the HAL/DBUS stuff allows one to plugin a USB disk, stick in a CD, etc etc etc |
| 03:04.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Mount it as the user, even without being in the fstab, use it, eject it, etc |
| 03:04.51 | ScytheBlade1 | and amarok's playlist abilites are amazing |
| 03:05.04 | tene | I personally usually use mpd |
| 03:05.14 | tene | http://musicpd.org/ |
| 03:05.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Already there, heh |
| 03:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/XMMS2_vs_MPD |
| 03:06.34 | tene | yes, but xmms2 doesn't have much of anything in common with xmms besides the name and the fact that it plays music and uses playlists |
| 03:06.42 | tene | completely separate project |
| 03:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | One last thing in common: same developers. |
| 03:07.01 | tene | oh, forgot about that |
| 03:07.07 | tene | yeah, xmms2 is interesting also |
| 03:07.09 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, server/client. |
| 03:07.15 | maquis | really? |
| 03:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup. |
| 03:07.20 | maquis | which does it play on? |
| 03:07.26 | tene | plays on server |
| 03:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Once released |
| 03:07.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *nix, win32, and OSX |
| 03:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, heh, or that |
| 03:07.37 | maquis | tene: ooh... that's nice |
| 03:07.40 | tene | mpd already does it, and is already released |
| 03:07.51 | tene | web frontend, cli frontend, graphic frontend... |
| 03:07.53 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: it's released on freebsd, i think |
| 03:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 03:07.57 | maquis | at least it appears to be in ports |
| 03:08.11 | ScytheBlade1 | MPD suddenly looks tempting, don't get me wrong.. |
| 03:08.17 | tene | just leave it running in the background or on your server or whatever |
| 03:08.21 | maquis | stuporglue was looking for something like that on uug |
| 03:08.52 | tene | we've got mpd running on our office fileserver. |
| 03:08.57 | tene | quite nice. |
| 03:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, nice |
| 03:10.01 | maquis | i keep finding myself running xmms remotely because my server is where my nice speakers are |
| 03:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, xmms2 will solve that |
| 03:10.20 | synic | tene: any good gui clients with queue support? |
| 03:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Or mpd, apparently |
| 03:10.22 | tene | /dev/mapper/multimedia_group-multimedia_lv 221G 172G 49G 78% /export/multimedia |
| 03:10.25 | maquis | hmmm |
| 03:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, not bad at all |
| 03:10.33 | maquis | looks like it's not in debian's repositories |
| 03:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's their beta release if anything |
| 03:10.53 | tene | synic: not certain. the names "gmpc" and "glurp" come to mind. |
| 03:11.19 | tene | #mpd would know |
| 03:12.09 | tene | http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/Clients |
| 03:12.12 | tene | interesting... |
| 03:12.26 | tene | I haven't looked at mpd development or clients in a long time. |
| 03:12.38 | maquis | ah... it's there |
| 03:14.37 | ScytheBlade1 | MPD looks... tempting, I must admit |
| 03:14.49 | maquis | hopefully we'll know something about xmms2 shortly |
| 03:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | #xmms2 |
| 03:16.51 | tene | you can also use mpd as a streaming audio server |
| 03:17.48 | synic | I'm gonna use mpd |
| 03:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | synic, include the playlist generation based on your tastes. :) |
| 03:18.29 | tene | I think there might be an mpd plugin for amarok... |
| 03:19.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to restart X |
| 03:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | New fonts :) |
| 03:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | brb |
| 03:30.17 | synic | sweet.... they have a python librar for mpd |
| 03:30.22 | synic | +y |
| 03:30.29 | tene | nodnod |
| 03:30.38 | tene | and perl and c, at least |
| 03:30.53 | tene | think there are a few more, but I'm not sure |
| 03:31.20 | synic | looks like that plus PHP |
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| 03:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Huh. I may have motive to try MPD out now. |
| 03:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | XMMS still hates me |
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| 03:46.14 | mheath | Starting tomorrow, I've decided I'm not going to sit on IRC, and I'm going to put all my non-computer-programming-class programming projects on hold |
| 03:46.28 | tene | that's not going to last |
| 03:46.30 | mheath | I've got some online classes I have to complete in the next few months to graduate, and I've been slacking off way too much |
| 03:46.58 | mheath | tene: Yes, it is. It's down to the point where me focusing on this is a requirement for graduation. |
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| 03:47.14 | tene | well, good luck |
| 03:47.21 | mheath | If I don't start doing these assignments soon, I don't graduate. |
| 03:47.40 | maquis | mheath: good luck |
| 03:47.40 | mheath | I moderately apply myself for the next 6 weeks, and I'll be done with them for good. Done with something I've been putting off for ages. |
| 03:48.00 | mheath | Able to relax (all my current classes in 'real' school are fairly easy) and look forward to graduation |
| 03:48.27 | mheath | I'm such a procrastinator.....These classes have been my primary concern / stressor for years. |
| 03:48.54 | mheath | Two assignments a day, at least. |
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| 04:24.16 | Hhhhh | here, now I'm shorter |
| 04:24.30 | maquis | Hhhhh: :) |
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| 04:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | tene: what's a good client for MPD? |
| 05:08.13 | tene | ScytheBlade1: cli, web, or gui? |
| 05:08.30 | ScytheBlade1 | gui, web, cli in order of liking |
| 05:09.21 | tene | http://mpd.wikicities.com/wiki/Clients |
| 05:09.28 | tene | kmp is a qt-based client |
| 05:09.34 | tene | I like gmpc |
| 05:10.28 | tene | I've used phpMp and phpMp2 |
| 05:10.30 | tene | for web |
| 05:10.47 | tene | and on console, ncmpc is a nice curses-based client |
| 05:10.57 | tene | the only one, actually |
| 05:11.06 | tene | and mpc is the included command-based client |
| 05:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, k |
| 05:11.12 | tene | or you could use telnet/netcat |
| 05:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you |
| 05:11.21 | tene | no problem |
| 05:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Does it watch the dir for changes by chance? |
| 05:15.32 | tene | nope |
| 05:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | k then |
| 05:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I shall wait for this massive copy to complete |
| 05:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, cool |
| 05:16.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 14.1GB of music |
| 05:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought I only had like 7GB |
| 05:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 05:18.37 | tene | http://arcanelinux.org/~inc/screenshots/haha.PNG |
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| 06:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ tene |
| 06:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's good |
| 06:19.37 | mheath | Hey, guys! Heres a question for you: "Which one of the following is not a key requirement of an Operating System: 1) Provide a GUI, 2) Process Data, 3) Control Hardware" |
| 06:20.03 | maquis | mheath: what's this for? |
| 06:21.05 | mheath | maquis: Its the question I got wrong on a quiz in my Computer Tech class =P |
| 06:21.24 | maquis | did they say that a GUI is a key requirement of an OS? |
| 06:21.57 | mheath | I had a momentary lapse of judgement, forgot that I was in a computer lab with windows 2000 on the computers, and that our state board of education is morons and answered 1. |
| 06:21.59 | maquis | and if so, did you bring up any GUI-less OSs? |
| 06:22.22 | maquis | i'd say you should argue the question |
| 06:22.42 | maquis | bring in an X-less version of linux and point out that it does have an OS on it |
| 06:22.55 | mheath | I also made the mistake of saying "False" on "A 'platform' is the processor on a computer, like 'pentium'" |
| 06:23.14 | mheath | As I'd been doing cross compilation all day, and looking at strings like "pc-linux-gnu-i386" |
| 06:24.03 | mheath | maquis: That would confuse this teacher. |
| 06:24.20 | mheath | Let me show you her webpage. And keep in mind that she taught advanced web development last year. |
| 06:24.38 | mheath | http://www.wsdstaff.net/~dcarlson/ |
| 06:24.38 | brac | [Mrs. Carlson's Web Page] |
| 06:24.44 | maquis | mheath: sounds like this teacher deserves confusion |
| 06:25.43 | maquis | This presentation contains content that your browser may not be able to show properly. This presentation was optimized for more recent versions of Microsoft Internet Explorer. |
| 06:26.18 | mheath | I like how it uses "more recent versions of Microsoft...." when you're not using any version of Microsoft Internet Explorer. |
| 06:26.31 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:26.47 | mheath | I tried to offer a suggestion |
| 06:27.13 | maquis | what was that? |
| 06:27.19 | mheath | "Your powerpoints definition of a "supercomputer" roughly defines the computational power of a nice desktop machine. You might want to change that." |
| 06:27.48 | mheath | "Oh, its so hard to keep things up to date...." |
| 06:28.07 | mheath | A lot of the content in those powerpoints gives the impression of being about 20 years out of date |
| 06:28.33 | tene | but... if they were made twenty years ago... why wouldn't she know anything about gui-less operating systems? |
| 06:28.49 | mheath | The listing of COBOL as an example of a high level language and such. |
| 06:29.18 | mheath | The fact that "supercomputers can process billions of calculations per second" |
| 06:30.34 | maquis | mheath: sounds like fun |
| 06:31.04 | mheath | I like one thing she does.... |
| 06:31.09 | maquis | which is? |
| 06:31.40 | mheath | She routinely tells students to print off things that are multiple pages when she only needs the first page |
| 06:31.45 | mheath | So she has a recycle box in class |
| 06:31.55 | mheath | She's teaching people basic computer skills |
| 06:32.16 | maquis | like... stick important information in the recycling box? |
| 06:32.16 | mheath | How hard would it be for her to teach them to type "1-1" and click "Pages in Range:" in the print dialog box? |
| 06:32.59 | mheath | She got really upset when she saw a timing I took in a typing program. |
| 06:33.07 | maquis | a timing? |
| 06:33.20 | mheath | It times you on a preset 3-4 paragraphs of text |
| 06:33.37 | mheath | I got about 100 wpm with 6 errors |
| 06:33.50 | mheath | But she was upset because I hit the backspace key 60 times. |
| 06:34.00 | mheath | "Why did you hit the backspace key so many times?!" |
| 06:34.22 | maquis | erm... because when you type, it's good to correct errors? |
| 06:34.26 | mheath | "Sorry. I use the Dvorak keyboard layout on my computers, its what I'm used to. Qwerty is kind of wierd to me for fast typing. I make a lot of mistakes." |
| 06:34.35 | mheath | *blank look* "You need to work on your accuracy." |
| 06:35.32 | mheath | Everyone else is plinking out ~30wpm, yet I'm the one she gets upset at when I'm typing 100wpm with better accuracy than them |
| 06:35.33 | maquis | haha |
| 06:35.37 | maquis | :) |
| 07:00.49 | xbmodder_lappy | ha |
| 07:01.01 | xbmodder_lappy | Looks like mheath's computer teacher has some issues |
| 07:03.34 | xbmodder_lappy | what does "OC" stand for? |
| 07:04.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~oc |
| 07:06.18 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: really depends on the context |
| 07:06.26 | xbmodder_lappy | "The OC" |
| 07:06.39 | maquis | i think that's orange county... but i'm not certain |
| 07:06.42 | maquis | my roommates would know |
| 07:06.51 | maquis | but i don't feel like asking the |
| 07:06.51 | maquis | m |
| 07:06.56 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't understand that show |
| 07:07.04 | xbmodder_lappy | At all.. |
| 07:07.06 | maquis | i've never seen it, and i have no desire to |
| 07:07.15 | xbmodder_lappy | Sister watches it |
| 07:07.39 | maquis | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060207-6135.html |
| 07:09.02 | xbmodder_lappy | yay |
| 07:13.50 | mheath | Wow... |
| 07:13.56 | mheath | Google used to be "backrub". |
| 07:14.55 | Hhhhh | http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_3482712 <= BYU professor might have found real cure for AIDS, herpes, bird flu, influenza, smallpox and others!!! |
| 07:15.02 | Hhhhh | oooooOOOOOOooooo |
| 07:15.14 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 07:15.21 | mheath | I hate the way thats being reported |
| 07:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, thats good for teenagers |
| 07:15.33 | xbmodder_lappy | at least first two |
| 07:15.39 | Hhhhh | teenagers? |
| 07:15.50 | Hhhhh | what are you talking about? |
| 07:15.51 | mheath | Everyones giving it crap because it managed to hit the mainstream press before any type of intensive study or peer review took place |
| 07:16.17 | xbmodder_lappy | herpes and AIDS |
| 07:16.22 | mheath | I get the impression they didn't intend it to hit the press like that at all; some friend of a researched talked to a reporter or something.. |
| 07:16.22 | Hhhhh | it's in the process of being peer-reviewed |
| 07:16.30 | xbmodder_lappy | major causes of pain to us. |
| 07:16.49 | xbmodder_lappy | also, I won't have to listen to my teacher lecture about how there is no cure |
| 07:16.51 | Hhhhh | mheath, it doesn't matter, I mean, it's still has to go through peer revision and lots of testing |
| 07:16.52 | mheath | If you read the quotes (at least in some forms of the article) it talks about how they didn't want this to be blown out of preportion, as it was still in very early stages of testing. |
| 07:16.55 | xbmodder_lappy | maybe they can fix my flu. |
| 07:17.01 | xbmodder_lappy | That'd be nice |
| 07:17.06 | Hhhhh | it'd be awesome |
| 07:17.13 | Hhhhh | I'm mainly thinking of people doing of AIDS |
| 07:17.14 | mheath | They're not making irrational claims, and they're not bigheaded. |
| 07:17.19 | Hhhhh | s/doing/dying |
| 07:17.23 | Hhhhh | true |
| 07:17.31 | mheath | Hhhhh: One side efect, though: Think about population issues. |
| 07:17.40 | xbmodder_lappy | I think of bird flu and influenza |
| 07:17.48 | xbmodder_lappy | influenza cure would be cool. |
| 07:17.58 | mheath | Suddenly the deathrate in areas like Africa will drop by millions |
| 07:18.30 | levi | mheath: Then they'll die of starvation instead of AIDS. |
| 07:18.30 | mheath | I'm not saying the invention of a cure is bad; just that there will be some major ramifications if/when the worlds deadliest disease is completely removed. |
| 07:18.42 | levi | I'm not sure which would be more unpleasant. |
| 07:19.48 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, I guess AIDs would be socially worse |
| 07:23.22 | Hhhhh | I think the overpopulation stuff is way overrated |
| 07:23.33 | Hhhhh | based on some study made in the 1800 |
| 07:23.53 | Hhhhh | we're in 2006, and we have not run out of room |
| 07:26.41 | mheath | Hhhhh: What about China? |
| 07:27.02 | mheath | Billions of people, barely supported on their limited farming capacity. |
| 07:27.07 | Hhhhh | what about China? people will need to move out of cities, that's all |
| 07:27.12 | Hhhhh | or make them bigger |
| 07:27.23 | mheath | No |
| 07:27.26 | Hhhhh | anyways, I think the problem there is the system |
| 07:27.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Or find more efficent ways of farming |
| 07:27.27 | mheath | Its not "we're out of space" |
| 07:27.31 | tene | or make the people smaller |
| 07:27.35 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 07:27.42 | mheath | its "we're hitting the capacity of our land" |
| 07:27.46 | Hhhhh | nah |
| 07:27.52 | mheath | China is an example from it |
| 07:27.53 | Hhhhh | I don't believe that stuff |
| 07:27.57 | mheath | s/from/of/ |
| 07:28.01 | Hhhhh | well, China is a communist country |
| 07:28.17 | Hhhhh | don't expect optimal utilization of resources there |
| 07:28.30 | mheath | *sigh*. |
| 07:28.32 | xbmodder_lappy | Become better at using the land |
| 07:41.51 | levi | Once we figure out sustainable and economicaly feasible fusion reactors, we'll be golden! |
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| 14:22.12 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:32.06 | lars-ut | good BOFH from Friday: |
| 14:32.07 | lars-ut | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/03/bofh_2006_episode_5/ |
| 14:32.09 | brac | [BOFH: Headhunted | The Register] |
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| 15:01.53 | goozbach | http://dvorak.org/blog/rednecks/redneck1.jpg |
| 15:03.25 | elg | lol |
| 15:04.09 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 15:04.17 | lars-ut | "The goal of the Portable Apps project is to make applications portable... taking high-quality, existing applications and packaging them up to run from a portable device (USB thumbdrive, iPod, etc)." |
| 15:04.23 | lars-ut | http://portableapps.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:05.10 | elg | do they have bash, sed and friends, make, and a decent terminal like rxvt? |
| 15:05.27 | elg | iow, a sort of portable cygwin |
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| 15:21.21 | lars-ut | elg: no, no, no, and no |
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| 15:21.46 | elg | at least they're consistent |
| 15:22.55 | lars-ut | Application List: |
| 15:22.55 | lars-ut | http://portableapps.com/apps |
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| 15:39.54 | brando2 | Is there a maillist for utaug? |
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| 16:12.01 | tapH20guru | (ahem) Sad Day - planetutah.adelantellc.com is down. I'm moving :( |
| 16:12.17 | tapH20guru | You can pull it off the almighty topic |
| 16:13.14 | goozbach | tapH20guru: wanna send me the list of feeds? |
| 16:13.36 | tapH20guru | sure ... lemme get em together |
| 16:13.59 | goozbach | goozbach@gurulabs.com |
| 16:15.37 | goozbach | tapH20guru: abt how much bandwith did it end up taking? |
| 16:15.57 | tapH20guru | not much that I'd notice |
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| 16:16.59 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 16:17.01 | xbmodder_ | sup |
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| 16:21.52 | tapH20guru | goozbach: sent the config to ya |
| 16:22.45 | tapH20guru | may the feeds live on in your hearts :) |
| 16:25.03 | xbmodder_ | Erg.. I hate it when girls where short skirts and then spend all of class pulling them down. |
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| 16:42.12 | levi | Poor xbmodder. |
| 16:43.11 | xbmodder_ | Why can't they just wear long skirts? Then we wouldn't be on national TV for "freaking" |
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| 16:44.05 | goozbach_ | goozbach |
| 16:44.13 | levi | xbmodder_: Because that wouldn't be rebellious at all. Duh. |
| 16:44.42 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 16:44.50 | goozbach_ | anyone here ping dante.netradius.com? |
| 16:44.56 | Hhhhh | that's pretty dumb IMO |
| 16:45.11 | goozbach_ | ~ibot dumb |
| 16:45.13 | ibot | I know you are, but what am I? |
| 16:45.18 | phinux | I'm with xbmodder on this one. What are girls like that thikning. "I bet people respect me more when I wear skanky clothing." Right. |
| 16:45.30 | dataw0lf | goozbach: host unreachable. |
| 16:45.42 | goozbach_ | cursed |
| 16:45.49 | goozbach_ | dataw0lf: thanks |
| 16:45.52 | dataw0lf | np |
| 16:45.57 | goozbach_ | ~pimpslap erikrj |
| 16:45.59 | ibot | goozbach_ pimpslaps erikrj. ouch! |
| 16:46.18 | levi | I wish girls wouldn't wear skanky clothes, but that's well outside of my range of influence. |
| 16:46.50 | levi | No daughter of mine will wear skanky clothes to school, though. |
| 16:48.14 | phinux | I don't know, maybe if more guys told girls they look awful in skanky clothing. After all, they do it for attention. |
| 16:48.37 | phinux | In a nice way. |
| 16:48.41 | goozbach_ | o/~ I want a girl with a short skirt.... and loooooong... jacket o/~ |
| 16:48.44 | dataw0lf | well, skanky has it's place. |
| 16:48.51 | Hhhhh | goozbach, I hate that song |
| 16:48.52 | xbmodder_ | levi: I don't know about that, I think when your daughter is 15 you won't have control over that. |
| 16:49.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:49.36 | Hhhhh | xbmodder, sure he will, if she wants a driver's license |
| 16:49.43 | Hhhhh | I mean she |
| 16:49.54 | xbmodder_ | phinux: girls think 'pimps' are cool... pimps like skanky clothes |
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| 16:51.17 | xbmodder_ | levi: and, if your wife doesn't mind? |
| 16:51.27 | phinux | You don't loose control until they're 18 and you can no longer legally go to school handcuffed to them. |
| 16:51.28 | phinux | Girls are weird. I don't understand girls. |
| 16:51.43 | xbmodder_ | phinux: me neither |
| 16:51.46 | levi | xbmodder_: Hah. She'd be less likely to allow it than me! |
| 16:52.06 | maquis | xbmodder_: girls don't all think pimps are cool... |
| 16:52.09 | xbmodder_ | levi: your married? |
| 16:52.24 | xbmodder_ | maquis: some do.. I've actually _asked_ the question.. err.. bad idea |
| 16:52.34 | levi | xbmodder_: Yes, and I have a daughter due to be born in May. |
| 16:52.37 | dataw0lf | I'm confused about the definition of 'pimp' in this context. |
| 16:52.40 | maquis | xbmodder_: yes... *some* do |
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| 16:53.00 | levi | dataw0lf: He's the guy with the 'hos' |
| 16:53.23 | goozbach | cursed reboots |
| 16:53.30 | xbmodder_ | later guys.. migh t be on IRC |
| 16:53.30 | goozbach | goozbach_ |
| 16:53.39 | xbmodder_ | on treo |
| 16:53.39 | goozbach | goozbach_ you can leave now |
| 16:53.40 | levi | dataw0lf: The kids are probably not entirely clear on the definition either. |
| 16:53.42 | dataw0lf | There's two widely spread definitions of the word 'pimp'. The traditional meaning, and the slang meaning. I just don't know how xbmodder is using it. |
| 16:53.42 | goozbach_ | ok |
| 16:53.53 | dataw0lf | levi: True. |
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| 16:55.40 | levi | I'm not totally convinced by all the home-school rhetoric, but I think they have a point when they point out the ill effects of grouping kids so they only really interact with others of their same age. |
| 16:58.30 | lars-ut | levi: I agree with you on the age point - grouping people by age seems very artificial - after secondary school when will children be exposed to a similar age group dynamic? |
| 16:59.12 | lars-ut | "In this class/job we only accept 23 year-olds." |
| 17:00.40 | lars-ut | levi: I have noticed that the age dynamic can be mitigated by breaking children up into skills groups with other children in different classes of similar ability in a given area, say reading. |
| 17:01.01 | lars-ut | My son's school does that. |
| 17:02.12 | mrpull- | what is on tap for perl mongers tonight? |
| 17:04.03 | levi | lars-ut: That's a good idea. Kids really should get used to interacting with others that aren't the same age. |
| 17:05.04 | lars-ut | levi: That son is currently the only one of my children not attending a public school btw. |
| 17:05.15 | levi | lars-ut: That figures. :) |
| 17:05.21 | levi | Public school is broken. |
| 17:05.42 | lars-ut | no argument here. |
| 17:06.46 | lars-ut | then again, you wouldn't get an argument from me if you had said, "The 2 party system is broken", or "Girl Scouts is broken" |
| 17:07.20 | levi | Yeah, lots of things are broken. |
| 17:10.37 | levi | I'm not sure I would do the same. My experience with him is limited to reading the back of the dust jacket on Savage Nation, or whatever his book is called. |
| 17:10.55 | findlay | the BSA was concieved in brokenness |
| 17:11.32 | findlay | update your software licences or die, matey. Aarrggg |
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| 17:12.17 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 17:13.02 | findlay | ~hey |
| 17:13.08 | ibot | i guess hey is almost for horses |
| 17:13.56 | lars-ut | levi: Of late, his rants have focused on the Pres. Bush & the Republican party's implementations of big government/spending & their lack of will to use the decisive force/weapons necessary to end the war in Iraq |
| 17:13.58 | xbmodder-treo | findlay: yes, hay is for horses. |
| 17:15.18 | xbmodder-treo | sfo trying to impeach bush |
| 17:16.31 | levi | I don't think decisive force or weapons would help things a lot right now. It's not like there's an organized regular army fighting our forces that we could send tanks to blow up. |
| 17:17.18 | xbmodder-treo | regular army fighting our forces that we could send tanks to blow up. |
| 17:20.17 | lars-ut | I would say that the unwillingness to kill civilians is hurting us quite a bit. But then again I would also advocate mobster-type tactics against terrorists. I believe terrorists should fear us more than we fear them. |
| 17:21.33 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I have read that more people have died in hospitals due to incorrect procedures than have died due to terrorists. |
| 17:22.05 | levi | Being more 'willing' to kill civilians would not help our cause. |
| 17:22.24 | Bradipo | No, indeed it would not, and would put us on par with Hitler. |
| 17:22.26 | lars-ut | And yet the fallout from terrorism is enormous (economic, psychological, political) |
| 17:22.40 | lars-ut | Bradipo: Ever heard of Dresden? |
| 17:22.53 | levi | lars-ut: The 'fallout from terrorism' is scare-mongering by our very own government. |
| 17:22.53 | Bradipo | I may have, not sure. |
| 17:23.08 | levi | Fear of terror keeps Bush in power. |
| 17:23.36 | lars-ut | and funding the war |
| 17:23.38 | Bradipo | levi: I isn't just Bush though... It's the entire Establishment. |
| 17:23.46 | lars-ut | yep |
| 17:23.49 | levi | Bradipo: Yeah. |
| 17:24.15 | lars-ut | interesting how we disagree on logistices but agree on that |
| 17:24.28 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Killing civilians in war is like boycotting firms that hire cheap labor in other countries. |
| 17:25.05 | levi | lars-ut: You want to escalate things, which I think would just fuel the dangerous cycle. |
| 17:25.09 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II |
| 17:25.39 | lars-ut | levi & Bradipo: I belive that decisive force can crush an enemy's will to fight |
| 17:25.42 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I may have heard of this, but never delved into it. |
| 17:26.05 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Yeah, taking out Saddam really scared the terrorists. |
| 17:26.22 | lars-ut | Bradipo: wasn't decisive. |
| 17:26.31 | levi | lars-ut: Perhaps their will to fight now, but they're going to be really pissed off and feeling oppressed and ready to... perform more acts of terror! |
| 17:26.32 | Bradipo | Or are you referring to mass murder like the atomic bombs we dropped on Japan? |
| 17:26.58 | lars-ut | Bradipo: yes, that would be one example. |
| 17:27.32 | lars-ut | levi: what other solution would you propose other than hitting the enemy hard enough that they are scared to hit back? |
| 17:27.33 | levi | lars-ut: When you have an organized military force that's conducting a regular war, decisive victory will indeed often cause their general to surrender, which effectively ends things. That's not /at all/ what we're dealing with now. |
| 17:28.12 | lars-ut | levi: in post-war Germany we dealt with many of the same problems |
| 17:28.33 | lars-ut | not a lot new here - just a different ideology |
| 17:28.43 | lars-ut | same tactics apply |
| 17:28.49 | levi | No, not at all. |
| 17:28.56 | levi | Very different. |
| 17:29.04 | lars-ut | dealing with "insurgents" & snipers, for eaxample |
| 17:30.04 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Do we really believe that Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11? |
| 17:30.23 | Bradipo | If so, why have we not charged him with crimes and wiped him and his armies off of the face of the earth yet? |
| 17:30.24 | levi | Bradipo: Who are you suggesting was responsible? |
| 17:30.49 | lars-ut | levi: What are you suggesting is an alternate solution to decisive military force in Iraq? |
| 17:30.53 | Bradipo | levi: I'm suggesting that if the government really thought he was responsible he would have been dealt with already. |
| 17:31.11 | Bradipo | Otherwise we are dealing out false accusations. |
| 17:31.30 | Bradipo | Has he been charged with a crime? Or have we simply declared war. |
| 17:32.38 | levi | lars-ut: I don't think decisive victory in Iraq is possible. The only question is what state we're going to leave Iraq in when we leave. |
| 17:33.10 | lars-ut | When we get to the turning point where Iraqis are happy to turn over any militant/terrorist, that will be a sign of victory. |
| 17:33.12 | Bradipo | The problem I have with the whole thing is I really have no idea what an Iraqi feels or believes regarding our occupation there. |
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| 17:33.45 | levi | Bradipo: Well, there have been polls that I find believable. |
| 17:33.51 | Bradipo | I don't speak their language, I'm not familiar with their society, I'm not qualified to know how they feel. Am I simply supposed to take the word of our government on faith? |
| 17:34.18 | levi | Bradipo: I'm not sure that they're reliable, but they sound plausible. And they mostly say that everyone but the Sunnis are glad Saddam is gone, but they ALL want us out. |
| 17:34.36 | levi | They don't all want us out immediately, but they resent our presence. |
| 17:34.54 | Bradipo | levi: That seems like a reasonable expression of what they might feel. |
| 17:35.22 | lars-ut | the war seems to be a black hole economically |
| 17:35.29 | Bradipo | If I were oppressed, I would want the oppressor removed, but I would also want to take care of the problems locally. |
| 17:35.46 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Almost all wars are black holes economically. |
| 17:35.53 | Bradipo | Wars destroy property. |
| 17:36.26 | lars-ut | Bradipo: what about setting conditions against the losing government? |
| 17:36.34 | Bradipo | Such as? |
| 17:36.47 | Bradipo | Like embargos? |
| 17:36.53 | lars-ut | yep - building bases, trade conditions |
| 17:37.11 | lars-ut | gaining new property... |
| 17:38.25 | lars-ut | forcing a new system of government would be another one historically |
| 17:39.08 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone see the latest stuff on songbird? |
| 17:40.03 | levi | Someday when I'm rich, I want one of these: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/02/07/formula-1-for-the-street-the-freestream-t1/ |
| 17:40.07 | brac | [Formula 1 for the street - the Freestream T1 - Autoblog] |
| 17:41.28 | lars-ut | levi: what postwar WWII tactics/conditions do you think differ now from Iraq? |
| 17:43.38 | lars-ut | "We won too fast and too clean. The Iraqis for the most part have not suffered from the war to any notable degree (certainly for many it was no more traumatic than living under the Baathists), and so they will have to have the birth pangs of their new society some other way, likely through a civil war." |
| 17:43.57 | lars-ut | from comments on http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2003/09/i_was_a_teenage.shtml |
| 17:43.58 | brac | [Hit and Run] |
| 17:45.28 | levi | lars-ut: The Germas were ultimately Westerners, and the Nazi party was influential but not terribly engrained in their nature. They were also fairly culturally cohesive. Iraq is not culturally cohesive, it's historically been incredibly hard to conquer and hold, and is considered a Muslim nation, which adds an entirely different aspect to it. |
| 17:46.54 | lars-ut | I see the unwillingness to kill civilians & civilian targets - Pres. Clinton knew how to do that, though in his case it was to move public focus away from his intern & legal woes |
| 17:47.26 | levi | Why should we kill them? |
| 17:47.34 | levi | If we leave, is Iraq going to fight us? |
| 17:47.57 | lars-ut | we're too focused - our military is like a laser |
| 17:47.59 | levi | Does Iraq, as a nation, pose any threat at all to us? |
| 17:48.20 | lars-ut | I'd say yes |
| 17:48.27 | lars-ut | but indirectly |
| 17:48.29 | levi | How so? |
| 17:48.29 | Uncle_Jesse | ~seen jsmith |
| 17:48.36 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@smithfam.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 20h 27m 25s ago, saying: 'lars-ut: Yeah... waiting for an OS to finish installing.'. |
| 17:49.20 | lars-ut | Iraq poses no more threat to us than Islamic fascism does. |
| 17:49.46 | levi | Islamic fascism poses a threat, but Iraq does not. |
| 17:50.00 | levi | Saddam's Iraqi administration was largely secular. |
| 17:50.07 | lars-ut | true |
| 17:50.23 | levi | Witness the insane reaction of Islamic fascism to the Danish cartoons. |
| 17:51.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Iraq was purely a tactical move IMO |
| 17:51.46 | levi | Indeed, a tactical move born from a poor strategy. |
| 17:51.47 | lars-ut | there should be more cartoons |
| 17:51.53 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Sorry about the late reply here... |
| 17:51.57 | lars-ut | more propaganda |
| 17:52.13 | lars-ut | belittle your enemy by mocking him |
| 17:52.19 | levi | lars-ut: Dude. Escalation is not going to help things. |
| 17:52.37 | lars-ut | since when was free speech escalation? |
| 17:52.59 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Why should the Iraqis suffer? Shouldn't it be Saddam and his regime that suffers, not the Iraqi people? |
| 17:53.12 | levi | Since when was incitement to riot covered under free speech? |
| 17:53.23 | lars-ut | should we walk on eggshells out of fear of an ideology? |
| 17:54.03 | sjansen | http://www.windley.com/archives/2006/02/crap_at_the_whi.shtml |
| 17:54.06 | lars-ut | levi: I don't see other ideologies reacting to the _many_ ill portrayals of their beliefs |
| 17:54.19 | lars-ut | in similar ways. |
| 17:54.25 | levi | lars-ut: Would you walk around your office shouting obscenities just to piss someone off who threatened you for saying one? |
| 17:54.36 | lars-ut | no, but I could. |
| 17:54.42 | levi | lars-ut: That's not the point. |
| 17:54.52 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.01 | lars-ut | I believe it is one of the points of free speech. |
| 17:55.07 | levi | We /could/ go around publishing cartoons depicting Mohammed, but it would be stupid to do so. |
| 17:55.12 | lars-ut | The office doesn't give me free speech btw |
| 17:55.18 | levi | lars-ut: Incitement to riot is NOT covered by free speech. |
| 17:55.26 | levi | Free speech is limited, and rightfully so. |
| 17:55.34 | sjansen | Dog pile on levi! |
| 17:55.57 | lars-ut | I could print out a placard with one of those cartoons and walk around on the street if I so desired. |
| 17:56.07 | lars-ut | is that incitement to riot? |
| 17:56.13 | Hhhhh | it can |
| 17:56.21 | levi | lars-ut: Depends. |
| 17:56.33 | Hhhhh | depends on the conditions |
| 17:56.46 | lars-ut | btw, here's some of the references I made earlier re: post WWII parallels: http://www.command-post.org/oped/2_archives/007763.html |
| 17:56.49 | brac | [The Command Post - Op-Ed - The Werewolf Principle] |
| 17:57.19 | lars-ut | is sjansen's suggestion an incitement to riot? |
| 17:57.19 | Hhhhh | nah, theconcept of freedom of speech has been n00bified too much by the general public |
| 17:57.26 | levi | lars-ut: Things are not always black and white. Reacting to insults with retaliation is a stupid policy. I don't think it's one you really practice in your personal life, so why should we practice it as a nation? Why should our nation behave like a 3-year-old? |
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| 17:57.40 | Bradipo | Hhhhh: Haha, that's one way to look at it. |
| 17:57.40 | Hhhhh | yes, sjansen please deliver yourself to the nearest FBI local office |
| 17:57.58 | Hhhhh | you'll be sent to Gitmo to pay for your sins |
| 17:57.58 | lars-ut | levi: is that to be interpreted as ad hominem? |
| 17:58.15 | levi | lars-ut: No, I'm suggesting that you actually behave well, personally. |
| 17:58.22 | Hhhhh | I think he meant "you" in its impersonal form |
| 17:58.36 | Bradipo | Hhhhh: Why the FBI? Why not the local police? Are we that incapable of handling things that we have to resort to Big Brother? |
| 17:58.48 | Hhhhh | Bradipo, exactly |
| 17:59.11 | Hhhhh | also, there is a bigger chance that you'll be abducted by the aliens of the X-files that way |
| 17:59.43 | levi | lars-ut: I'm suggesting that going around trying to piss off Muslims is a childish way to respond to the cartoon issue. It's literally what a child, who has not gained control of emotional responses, would do. |
| 17:59.48 | lars-ut | levi: As I understand this definition of free speech re: incitement to riot the protesters at General Conference would not be allowed to spout off - even if they were across the street |
| 18:00.09 | lars-ut | levi: I'm suggesting that the Muslim reaction _is_ childish. |
| 18:00.18 | Hhhhh | lars-ut, that is a good point, but Mormons are less prone to start killing people than extremist Muslims |
| 18:00.33 | Hhhhh | and our clerics aren't telling us to go out and kill random people in retaliation |
| 18:00.44 | Hhhhh | so the chance for riot is different |
| 18:00.50 | Hhhhh | everything has a context |
| 18:00.54 | levi | lars-ut: So, does that make being childish in response any less childish? |
| 18:01.02 | Hhhhh | but those weirdos can stay across the streets |
| 18:01.06 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: and a principle. |
| 18:01.19 | lars-ut | levi: nope. |
| 18:01.42 | levi | lars-ut: That's my point. I agree that the Muslim reaction is childish. |
| 18:02.06 | lars-ut | levi: by that same logic you could argue all wars are childish |
| 18:02.07 | Hhhhh | I wish freedom of speech zealots would use the principle of STFU more often |
| 18:02.17 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here know Michael Karlsven? |
| 18:02.24 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: Am I a zealot then? |
| 18:02.32 | Hhhhh | Did I say you? |
| 18:02.43 | levi | lars-ut: Not necessarily. Wars of defense are often justifiable. |
| 18:02.44 | Hhhhh | lemme ask, do you consider yourseklf a zealot? |
| 18:02.52 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: I'm advocating freedom of speech re: the muslim cartoons? |
| 18:03.01 | lars-ut | so yes. |
| 18:03.08 | Hhhhh | do you consider yourself a zealot? |
| 18:03.15 | lars-ut | in many things, hell yeah. |
| 18:03.21 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I think he is referring to the lack of knowledge regarding self-government in general. |
| 18:03.23 | Hhhhh | ok, then help yourself |
| 18:03.35 | lars-ut | that was easy. |
| 18:03.41 | Hhhhh | mine was not intended to you particularly, but I value your honesty |
| 18:03.44 | levi | Before the cartoons were printed, no one had any idea what kind of a violent response they would provoke. |
| 18:04.20 | Hhhhh | levi, where were they printed? |
| 18:04.22 | Bradipo | Hhhhh: Ever read ``The Indispensible Opposition?'' |
| 18:04.23 | lars-ut | levi: should we then draft special hate legislation protecting Muslims sensibilities? |
| 18:04.25 | levi | A reasonable person, knowing the consequence, should not have printed them. Not because they didn't have a right to, but because it was not a good idea. |
| 18:04.26 | Hhhhh | which country? |
| 18:04.29 | levi | Denmark |
| 18:04.51 | Hhhhh | well, do you know the amount of muslim people living in nordic countries like Denmark and Sweden? |
| 18:04.53 | Bradipo | Err, Indispensable. |
| 18:04.55 | Hhhhh | the HUGE amount? |
| 18:05.04 | levi | There are plenty of things that are legal, but a bad idea. |
| 18:05.10 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: what about in Michigan? |
| 18:05.14 | Hhhhh | I don't think Dannish people aren't familiar to Muslems |
| 18:05.23 | lars-ut | lots of Muslims there. |
| 18:05.28 | Uncle_Jesse | word to the wise - never ask a question when there's a political discussion in #utah |
| 18:05.31 | Hhhhh | lars-ut, yea, what about it? |
| 18:05.34 | Uncle_Jesse | ;-) |
| 18:05.41 | levi | Hhhhh: I'm not seeing your point. |
| 18:05.54 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: huge Muslim population in Michigan |
| 18:06.00 | Hhhhh | levi, I don't think the people who made the cartoons were totally ignorant of Muslim sentiment |
| 18:06.04 | lars-ut | yet no rioting? |
| 18:06.08 | Bradipo | Uncle_Jesse: Just assume that the answer is no. :-) |
| 18:06.12 | Hhhhh | lars-ut, again, what about it? What's the point? |
| 18:06.22 | Bradipo | I read your question but not knowing who MK is, I opted to not answer. |
| 18:06.44 | lars-ut | Hhhhh: Muslims in michigan have seen the same cartoons. |
| 18:06.45 | levi | Hhhhh: Oh, yeah. Well, sure, they would have known Muslims wouldn't like it, but do you think they knew it would provoke riots, burning of embassies, and killings? |
| 18:06.59 | Hhhhh | lars-ut, and also there are differences among Mulsim sects |
| 18:07.13 | Bradipo | lars-ut: That's possibly because---at least in theory---those muslims in Michigan are not politically oppressed. |
| 18:07.20 | Hhhhh | levi, probably not to that point. But I don't absolve them from ill intention |
| 18:07.22 | lars-ut | lol |
| 18:08.03 | levi | Hhhhh: I don't either, but I don't think they would have done it if they knew the full extent. At least, I hope they wouldn't have. |
| 18:08.10 | lars-ut | the Muslims in Michigan are "enlightened" and therefore aren't easily provoked into a childish reaction? I hope that's not the case. |
| 18:08.14 | Bradipo | lars-ut: And just because they don't do anything about it doesn't mean they don't secretly support those in Denmark. |
| 18:08.19 | levi | I don't generally look kindly on people intentionally pissing off other people. |
| 18:08.27 | levi | Regardless of their right to do it. |
| 18:08.30 | lars-ut | Bradipo: goo point. |
| 18:08.48 | lars-ut | levi: I'd agree. |
| 18:09.19 | levi | My response to bullies is to ignore them, though, not to provoke them. |
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| 18:09.50 | lars-ut | "Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment" |
| 18:10.01 | lars-ut | from previous link |
| 18:12.18 | lars-ut | levi: should we intervene when the Iraqi civil war starts? |
| 18:12.36 | lars-ut | assuming we decrease our presence there in the meantime |
| 18:13.12 | levi | Not if they don't ask us to. |
| 18:13.41 | lars-ut | Levi, I must admit I like this discussion. |
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| 18:14.48 | Bradipo | lars-ut: No, America has no business in the civil wars of other countries, however, having started this whole mess it now becomes politically difficult. |
| 18:15.09 | lars-ut | yup. |
| 18:16.43 | Bradipo | Got no arguments for the UN here. |
| 18:17.11 | lars-ut | not just a troll - that's how I feel. |
| 18:18.06 | lars-ut | Maybe my anti-UN stance wouldn't go over so well if I put it in a cartoon in the Netherlands, though. |
| 18:18.49 | lars-ut | Maybe a Kofi caricature? |
| 18:20.30 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 18:20.32 | ibot | Everything was so nice and peaceful, 'til one day it all went horribly wrong! |
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| 18:25.24 | levi | I, for one, am finished discussing politics. |
| 18:25.37 | Uncle_Jesse | #zion is available right now on freenode ;-) |
| 18:32.01 | mrpull- | anybody try Songbird yet? |
| 18:33.08 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm going to try it on my Windows machine tonight |
| 18:33.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm curious how flexible as to web accessibility it is |
| 18:33.44 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd love to start embedding songbird players on my websites instead of flash |
| 18:33.50 | mrpull- | it is supposed to be compatible with ipods right? |
| 18:33.56 | mrpull- | the website is toast right now. |
| 18:34.14 | Uncle_Jesse | there are several mirrors for the download |
| 18:34.24 | Uncle_Jesse | not sure about ipods, but I would hope so |
| 18:35.00 | Uncle_Jesse | what does everyone think about google's stock price right now? |
| 18:35.08 | Uncle_Jesse | think it will go down more? |
| 18:35.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm toying with buying a couple of shares |
| 18:35.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm worried they're undervalued |
| 18:35.52 | Uncle_Jesse | s/under/over/ |
| 18:36.04 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet - ibot, you rule |
| 18:36.27 | levi | Interesting (if not particularly meaningful) programming language comparison: http://www.jadetower.org/muses/archives/000462.html |
| 18:36.28 | brac | [Cubicle Muses: Nine in Nine] |
| 18:36.44 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot, tell me about google stock |
| 18:37.26 | Bradipo | levi: Finished for good or just for the present time frame? :-) |
| 18:38.05 | levi | Bradipo: Just for the present, and probably for a while. I don't really enjoy it, but sometimes I feel compelled. |
| 18:38.39 | Bradipo | levi: Who does enjoy it except politicians? |
| 18:39.12 | levi | A lot of people seem to, given the number of political blogs and those who comment on them. |
| 18:39.15 | Bradipo | As people, we really shouldn't have to worry about it, but alas, if we don't make a stand we will be walked all over by those who desire power. |
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| 18:47.52 | fozzmoo | Anyone done any packet capture in C with pcap or in Perl with Net::Pcap? |
| 18:48.02 | fozzmoo | Anyone, here, that is. |
| 18:55.34 | flyboy^ | I've played around with Net::Pcap, but I am no expert. |
| 19:02.31 | flyboy^ | I need to get the latest version of irssi running. |
| 19:05.55 | flyboy^ | Does anyone have a favorite irssi theme they like? |
| 19:20.48 | sjansen | ~burn Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:20.50 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over Uncle_Jesse, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 19:40.32 | sjansen | http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11375 |
| 19:43.52 | mrpull- | sjansen: i'm not sure I'd take my own laptop to a security convention. i'm too paranoid. |
| 19:45.54 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:46.15 | sjansen | I can just see it: |
| 19:46.44 | sjansen | Security researcher: "Security blah blah blah security blah blah blah." |
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| 19:47.22 | sjansen | From the back of the conference hall: "I ju5+ 0wnz3rD j00 d00dz!" |
| 19:48.22 | mrpull- | do l33t people speak that way out loud? |
| 19:56.32 | sjansen | Like, no dude. They _totally_ sound like 80's surfers instead! |
| 20:23.00 | Uncle_Jesse | ~blowup sjansen |
| 20:23.16 | Uncle_Jesse | need to program that one |
| 20:23.22 | Uncle_Jesse | ~explode sjansen |
| 20:23.24 | ibot | ACTION blows up sjansen with bombs |
| 20:32.27 | levi | Wow, these are way cool: http://graphics.stanford.edu/~fedkiw/ |
| 20:37.15 | scottj | that is pretty sweet |
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| 20:42.39 | goozbach | http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20060205.html |
| 20:42.41 | brac | [Dilbert Comic Strip Archive - Dilbert.com - The Official Dilbert Website by Scott Adams - Dilbert, Dogbert and Coworkers!] |
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| 20:46.10 | albino | Is there a PLUG meeting tonight? |
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| 20:48.25 | maquis | goozbach: that one cracked me up forever |
| 20:50.53 | scottj | I thought there was some ruby meeting tonight |
| 20:52.19 | maquis | my calendar says plug and byurug, i think |
| 20:59.12 | goozbach | ARGHH! SPAM! |
| 20:59.56 | Hhhhh | spam |
| 20:59.57 | Hhhhh | spam |
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| 21:01.31 | Hhhhh | hey levi, that link was cool |
| 21:02.37 | goozbach | good tea |
| 21:05.24 | dataw0lf | Did anyone else know that javascript had anonymous functions? |
| 21:05.27 | dataw0lf | I'm shocked. |
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| 21:22.41 | tene | Oh, of course. Everyone uses them. |
| 21:23.41 | albino | Since function serves as object declaration, anonymous functions get used a lot |
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| 21:52.06 | sjansen | dataw0lf: yup |
| 21:52.47 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
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| 21:52.54 | sjansen | I used to hate javascript. When I started reading good JS instead of stupid image flipping scripts, I discovered it is actually a beautiful language. |
| 21:53.30 | Uncle_Jesse | if you ever use Flash you'll learn to like js real quick |
| 21:53.49 | Uncle_Jesse | if you're an oss bigot like me |
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| 21:56.17 | dataw0lf | I don't plan on ever using Flash. |
| 21:56.40 | dataw0lf | or JavaScript really, for that matter. I just find it interesting that it has all these functional programming devices that I never knew existed. |
| 21:57.11 | mheath | sjansen: indeed it is. |
| 21:59.18 | mrpull- | whoa... dell shipped me an extra 2405FPW |
| 22:02.49 | levi | dataw0lf: Someone re-wrote a lot of The Little Schemer (a book about Scheme) in Javascript. |
| 22:03.03 | levi | http://www.crockford.com/javascript/little.html |
| 22:03.04 | brac | [The Little JavaScripter] |
| 22:05.22 | dataw0lf | I really like The Little Schemer. |
| 22:05.29 | dataw0lf | That's interesting. Thanks levi. |
| 22:08.04 | levi | I know of some projects that generate Javascript from Lisp as part of web programming frameworks so that you can do client-side scripting that way. |
| 22:10.31 | lars-ut | Google Reader also gets a thumbs down for not being able to support the UUG & UVLUG RSS feeds that Thunderbird handles just fine. |
| 22:10.44 | levi | Another interesting quirk of Javascript is that it uses a prototype-based object model rather than a class-based one. It shares this quirk with Self and Slate. Self was also developed by some guys at Sun. |
| 22:11.04 | levi | lars-ut: Is that the fault of the feed, or the reader? |
| 22:11.22 | lars-ut | good question |
| 22:11.44 | lars-ut | not sure - there were some other things about Sage I found disappointing... |
| 22:12.13 | lars-ut | In Thunderbird I can manage multiple feeds in one folder as if it were one feed - Sage separates them |
| 22:13.15 | lars-ut | By separating the folders, Sage forces you to manage feeds on an individual, not group basis - with the exception of being able to mark all feeds in a folder as read. |
| 22:17.48 | lars-ut | If neither Google Reader nor Sage can support feeds that other readers support w/o modifying the feed, I'd say that counts against them. I've used other web-based RSS readers that didn't have this problem, as well as Newsgator a while back. |
| 22:20.43 | lars-ut | Not all FLOSS or free(as in Google) web software is worth using. Maybe the authors of Sage and Google Reader will fix the problem in the future. |
| 22:21.52 | goozbach | ok so I have a bunch of frequent flyer miles saved up... |
| 22:21.59 | goozbach | where should I go for vacation? |
| 22:22.21 | tene | the moon! |
| 22:23.04 | lars-ut | goozbach: a "reading vacation" w/very little technology |
| 22:23.19 | lars-ut | no cellphone, for example |
| 22:23.24 | goozbach | I'm contemplating a bus tour of mexico |
| 22:23.39 | goozbach | or hitchhike through mexico |
| 22:25.10 | lars-ut | Maybe geocache en Mexico? |
| 22:25.52 | goozbach | ohh |
| 22:26.05 | lars-ut | go scuba diving in those famous underground caves there - there's a word for them... |
| 22:26.43 | tene | they're called the "famous underground scuba caves" |
| 22:26.47 | lars-ut | :) |
| 22:27.17 | lars-ut | ~google mexico famous underground scuba caves |
| 22:27.25 | tene | ~google famous underground scuba cave |
| 22:27.31 | tene | heh |
| 22:27.48 | lars-ut | cenotes. |
| 22:29.43 | lars-ut | you could swim with dolphins on the same trip |
| 22:30.02 | findlay | how do I get find to return only text files? |
| 22:30.32 | tene | |xargs file|grep text |
| 22:30.37 | dataw0lf | file |
| 22:31.16 | lars-ut | goozbach: re-enact human sacrifice at Chichen Itza, then stop at Club Med afterwards |
| 22:31.41 | dataw0lf | find . -type f -exec file '{}' \; grep text |
| 22:31.52 | dataw0lf | err with a pipe |
| 22:31.55 | findlay | file leaves trailing garbage |
| 22:33.45 | goozbach | file | cut | grep text |
| 22:34.45 | tene | you mean file|grep text|cut, right? |
| 22:36.45 | goozbach | tene: either way |
| 22:37.02 | goozbach | just make use of cut and pipe |
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| 22:41.13 | tene | goo: if you cut out the "text" part and leave just the filename, you don't have anything to grep on |
| 22:41.52 | goozbach | tene: if you're carefull |
| 22:44.05 | findlay | why can't file just supress it's output? |
| 22:44.53 | tene | because then what would it print? |
| 22:46.11 | goozbach | findlay: file -F '^' |
| 22:46.22 | goozbach | then cut from the beginning of the line to ^ |
| 22:47.47 | findlay | tene: nothing (: |
| 22:48.41 | *** join/#utah edeefelt (n=edeefelt@71-35-228-250.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 22:48.47 | edeefelt | Hi all |
| 22:48.51 | edeefelt | quick question |
| 22:49.01 | edeefelt | I am trying to concatenate several files |
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| 22:49.15 | edeefelt | usually easy with: cat * > ../allfilestogether.txt |
| 22:49.22 | tene | cat file1 file2 file3 > allfilestogether |
| 22:49.28 | tene | okay |
| 22:49.35 | edeefelt | but I want extra lines |
| 22:49.38 | edeefelt | between the files |
| 22:49.47 | edeefelt | cat doesn't appear to support this kind of feature |
| 22:49.51 | tene | echo > newline |
| 22:50.02 | tene | cat file1 newline file2 newline > allfiles |
| 22:50.06 | tene | will work |
| 22:50.19 | tene | not very elegant, though |
| 22:50.31 | edeefelt | yeah, but I was trying to think of a way to do it with cat * > so I don't have to specify |
| 22:50.46 | tene | for i in `ls --color=no` ; do cat $i newline >> allfiles ; done |
| 22:50.56 | edeefelt | oh yes |
| 22:51.00 | tene | or |
| 22:51.06 | edeefelt | I need to get a shell scripting book :( |
| 22:51.14 | tene | for i in `ls --color=no` ; do cat $i >> allfiles ; echo >> allfiles ; done |
| 22:51.21 | edeefelt | I tend to do most stuff in Python |
| 22:51.30 | edeefelt | thanks :) |
| 22:51.35 | tene | no problem |
| 22:51.58 | tene | the 'newline' thing is a terrible hack. dont' use it. |
| 22:56.04 | edeefelt | didn't use the newline one, know enough shell scripting to see the seconds works better |
| 22:56.08 | edeefelt | and it did, thanks again |
| 22:56.15 | Bradipo | How about: for i in file*; do cat file; echo; done > bigfile |
| 22:56.36 | Bradipo | Er... |
| 22:56.36 | edeefelt | are there any good free books on shell scripting (I mean deep stuff not just a "free" simple tutorial)? |
| 22:56.36 | Bradipo | for i in file*; do cat $i; echo; done > bigfile |
| 22:56.53 | Bradipo | Were file* is the pattern which matches your filenames. |
| 22:57.21 | edeefelt | that would be good if I didn't want to concatenate all files in the directory but only specific ones |
| 22:57.50 | edeefelt | very good though |
| 22:58.02 | goozbach | man bash :) |
| 22:58.03 | Bradipo | edeefelt: Then do for i in * |
| 22:58.36 | Bradipo | for i in *; do cat $i; echo; done > bigfile |
| 22:59.03 | edeefelt | actually, lots of good info under "man bash" on shell scripting |
| 22:59.09 | edeefelt | that could keep me busy a while |
| 22:59.09 | Bradipo | Yeah, there is. |
| 22:59.18 | edeefelt | has all the control structures and everything |
| 23:02.35 | edeefelt | Bradipo: I think you have it down about as simple as it can go |
| 23:03.05 | Bradipo | Yeah, assuming there aren't any spaces in the filenames. ;-) |
| 23:04.30 | goozbach | I think I've bitten off more tahn I can chew trying to build and rpm for dspam |
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| 23:17.52 | xbmodder_lappy | My friend's best friend is andrew morton's son |
| 23:22.50 | mrpull- | any mention of the perl mongers topic tonight? |
| 23:32.40 | findlay | Mozart is teh r0x0rz man |
| 23:33.13 | xbmodder_lappy | Panatomic scale right? |
| 23:33.15 | levi | findlay: I've been listening to Classical 89 a lot lately. |
| 23:33.28 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: so what? My friend is Kevin Carmony's son. |
| 23:33.34 | xbmodder_lappy | if you use that scale it sounds good no matter how crappy your song is? |
| 23:33.45 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, Kevin Carmony? |
| 23:34.00 | levi | I lived next door to Orson Scott Card's son for a while, and hung out with him a couple of times. |
| 23:34.05 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: founder of linspire. |
| 23:34.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh cool |
| 23:34.31 | emcnabb | oh yeah?!?! well... |
| 23:34.33 | xbmodder_lappy | I live like 6 blocks from Dilbert |
| 23:34.34 | levi | He was into film, and was in charge of collecting props for a Novell movie. |
| 23:34.35 | xbmodder_lappy | :-D |
| 23:34.51 | levi | So, my Jeep was in 'The Tech Hunter' |
| 23:34.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 23:34.57 | mheath | Haha |
| 23:34.59 | emcnabb | from Dilbert? |
| 23:35.05 | xbmodder_lappy | Scott adams.. |
| 23:35.10 | emcnabb | ok |
| 23:35.23 | tene | I know a guy who once used chewing gum! |
| 23:35.27 | xbmodder_lappy | but mainly I wanna meet him |
| 23:35.31 | findlay | oh yeah, I know, um, ... well, me! |
| 23:35.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Andrew, you know |
| 23:35.37 | xbmodder_lappy | He has a 14 year old daughte |
| 23:35.38 | xbmodder_lappy | r |
| 23:36.06 | xbmodder_lappy | but other than that, anybody remember that hampster MIDI music project a while back? |
| 23:38.10 | mrpull- | xbmodder_lappy: yes. |
| 23:38.22 | mheath | Anyone ever see the John Wayne (I think) movie "True Grit"? |
| 23:39.10 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, what scale did he use? He did something to make the noise sound good. |
| 23:39.29 | edeefelt | I bet I have True Grit on DVD some where |
| 23:39.38 | edeefelt | been collecting his stuff for a while |
| 23:39.47 | mheath | edeefelt: you've seen it? |
| 23:40.06 | edeefelt | I'm pretty sure my Grandfather saw to it that I have seen all his stuff |
| 23:40.11 | mrpull- | xbmodder_lappy: dunno. google is your friend. |
| 23:40.46 | mheath | edeefelt: ooh, seen The Longest Day? |
| 23:41.15 | edeefelt | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065126/ |
| 23:41.16 | brac | [True Grit (1969)] |
| 23:41.20 | edeefelt | pretty sure I've seen True Grit |
| 23:41.28 | edeefelt | been a while though |
| 23:44.34 | edeefelt | anyhoo l8r all |
| 23:47.57 | Uncle_Jesse | ooh - are we dropping names? |
| 23:48.41 | Uncle_Jesse | my Grandfather was in several LDS movies |
| 23:50.08 | Uncle_Jesse | now I'm not quite sure that's what you guys were talking about |
| 23:50.18 | Uncle_Jesse | ~humble Uncle_Jesse |
| 23:50.23 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: you turned into a bot the other night |
| 23:50.32 | maquis | !food |
| 23:50.34 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I do that some times |
| 23:50.39 | maquis | like that? |
| 23:50.44 | maquis | it's santa bot |
| 23:50.50 | Uncle_Jesse | you should try pm'ing me when I'm /away |
| 23:51.02 | maquis | i didn't know you could be a person and a bot at the same time.... |
| 23:51.08 | Uncle_Jesse | or try sending a question to 8-ball |
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| 23:51.15 | maquis | 8-ball? |
| 23:51.15 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: A question please. |
| 23:51.24 | maquis | wha? |
| 23:51.42 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball: am I a bot? |
| 23:51.42 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball says: Go for it |
| 23:51.43 | maquis | 8-ball did i pass my networking test yesterday? |
| 23:51.43 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: A question please. |
| 23:52.06 | maquis | 8-ball: does he like me? |
| 23:52.07 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: 8-ball says: Looking good |
| 23:52.50 | maquis | ooh... |
| 23:53.19 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball can only be likeable 50% of the time |
| 23:53.19 | Uncle_Jesse | A question please. |
| 23:53.33 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball is nothing therefore |
| 23:53.33 | Uncle_Jesse | A question please. |
| 23:53.49 | xbmodder | !?! |
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| 23:54.27 | hagna | does anyone have a reaction when I say, "go Paris Bennett" ? |
| 23:54.37 | hagna | forgot the !! |
| 23:55.16 | maquis | hagna: i get a reaction of "who's paris bennett?" |
| 23:56.03 | hagna | it american idol stuff |
| 23:56.25 | Uncle_Jesse | hagna: isn't it a little early in the game? |
| 23:56.27 | hagna | #utah is not into idol stuff :) |
| 23:56.32 | Uncle_Jesse | or is Paris a friend? |
| 23:56.54 | hagna | Uncle_Jesse: no not a friend |
| 23:57.04 | hagna | but she has a great voice |
| 23:57.19 | hagna | better than anyone else I've heard, but I haven't heard everyone |
| 23:57.28 | xbmodder | paris bennet?!? |
| 23:57.37 | xbmodder | who the hell is paris bennet? |
| 23:58.18 | hagna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SdYbXzewhk |
