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| 00:08.46 | goozbach | ~lart large ineffecent companies |
| 00:14.30 | maquis | goozbach: sup? |
| 00:18.35 | goozbach | just getting yelled at because people aren't getting faxes |
| 00:18.57 | goozbach | I was going to head out for dinner, but it seems a little too late for that now... |
| 00:19.04 | goozbach | tis like 8 here |
| 00:26.18 | maquis | getting yelled at by who? |
| 00:27.18 | goozbach | yes |
| 00:27.27 | maquis | huh? |
| 00:27.31 | maquis | who? |
| 00:27.43 | goozbach | $LARGECORP and $EMLPOYER |
| 00:27.44 | jsmith | He's the guy on first... |
| 00:28.04 | goozbach | who? |
| 00:28.21 | goozbach | sorry jsmith that was just a little too quick... |
| 00:28.28 | goozbach | I thought you might be a bot... |
| 00:28.36 | goozbach | ibot, who? |
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| 00:29.25 | jsmith | goozbach: Nope, I'm just fast :-) |
| 00:29.31 | goozbach | oh ok... |
| 00:30.12 | SpecialK | Late night? |
| 00:30.55 | goozbach | at ~45 minutes away, it'll be close to ten by the time I'll get there |
| 00:31.04 | maquis | SpecialK: boston |
| 00:31.06 | goozbach | I'm in EDT right now |
| 00:31.29 | SpecialK | I caught that, but it's 8:30 |
| 00:31.42 | SpecialK | that's not late night for me. |
| 00:41.28 | maquis | ~lart specialz |
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| 00:59.40 | tensai | ChanServ: yo, wassup? |
| 01:00.03 | tensai | ChanServ: pretty boring job you got there, eh |
| 01:00.25 | maquis | haha |
| 01:00.39 | tensai | ibot: wake ChanServ |
| 01:00.40 | ibot | ChanServ: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 01:00.43 | maquis | ibot's got a much more interesting job |
| 01:00.57 | maquis | ibot: right? |
| 01:00.59 | ibot | blah blah blah/spam spam spam/yaddayaddayaddayadda sis boom bam |
| 01:01.09 | maquis | errrrrr |
| 01:01.30 | tensai | time to climb onto the roof and fix the antenna |
| 01:22.45 | xbmodder_lappy | GL guys: you teaching any classes in cali? |
| 01:27.34 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, any classes in cali taught by a GLE? |
| 01:39.35 | emcnabb | I think there are a few coming up in southern cal |
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| 02:24.22 | maquis | how do i set things up so i can run an X command on a remote machine (and have it show up on that machine) |
| 02:24.25 | maquis | ? |
| 02:35.38 | jsmith | maquis: ssh -X user@remote.box remote_command |
| 02:35.55 | jsmith | maquis: If that doesn't work, try ssh -Y user@remote.box remote_command |
| 02:36.03 | jsmith | Oh, sorry... show up on *that* machine? |
| 02:36.08 | maquis | jsmith: yeah.. |
| 02:36.09 | maquis | .but it's ok |
| 02:36.14 | maquis | i got it... :) |
| 02:36.28 | jsmith | OK... |
| 02:36.30 | jsmith | cool |
| 02:36.34 | maquis | thanks, though |
| 02:42.28 | jsmith | np |
| 02:52.59 | goozbach | boston driving suxorez |
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| 03:10.19 | scott | http://crackaddict.com/~scott/screen/glasses.png |
| 03:11.06 | hans | goodness, what have you done? |
| 03:11.11 | hans | ;-) |
| 03:11.33 | hans | pretty cool, actually, although it would burn me out quick |
| 03:11.57 | hans | what're the tlas in the corner? |
| 03:19.59 | scott | tlas? |
| 03:21.46 | hans | three-letter acronyms |
| 03:22.22 | scott | the doc |
| 03:22.24 | scott | dock |
| 03:22.36 | hans | heh |
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| 04:05.58 | levi | It's quiet here tonight. |
| 04:21.51 | hans | things like time_ago_in_words make rails even more fun than just being a good framework in a good language |
| 04:22.26 | hans | it's the "they thought of everything" feeling you get from some products, e.g. mac laptops |
| 04:22.36 | levi | Nifty. :) |
| 04:23.07 | hans | goes from "less than a minute ago" to x minutes, x hours, x days |
| 04:23.47 | hans | the type of thing anyone can write and nobody wants to write |
| 04:26.15 | maquis | ~w00t |
| 04:26.18 | ibot | w00t!!! |
| 04:27.33 | levi | w00t? |
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| 04:28.58 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 04:30.20 | maquis | ~w00t maquis |
| 04:30.21 | ibot | stfu, maquis |
| 04:30.31 | maquis | ouch |
| 04:30.59 | goozbach | gabe and tycho, of penny-arcade fame are speaking at MIT tomorrow afternoon |
| 04:31.42 | SpecialK | fun |
| 04:31.59 | goozbach | my flight leaves at 4pm |
| 04:32.12 | goozbach | I go to Pittsburgh on sunday |
| 04:32.25 | goozbach | maybe I should just fly from here to pittsburg |
| 04:32.42 | maquis | goozbach: are you *ever* in town? |
| 04:35.27 | goozbach | maquis: which town? :) |
| 04:35.46 | goozbach | abt an hour ago I drove through the middle of MIT |
| 04:36.03 | goozbach | does that count? |
| 04:39.50 | maquis | :) |
| 04:42.11 | mheath | maquis, what are you doing in Cambridge? |
| 04:42.14 | mheath | er |
| 04:42.15 | mheath | goozbach, |
| 04:47.13 | maquis | mheath: why does he spend time anywhere? |
| 04:48.49 | goozbach | mheath: I went to dinner in cambrige |
| 04:48.59 | goozbach | I'm now back in marlborough |
| 04:56.01 | xbmodder_lappy | ciik |
| 04:56.14 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, you know if your doing any classes in the bay area? |
| 04:56.21 | xbmodder_lappy | or if any of you guys are? |
| 04:56.27 | xbmodder_lappy | evan was frickin' awesome |
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| 04:56.42 | xbmodder_lappy | *hint: someone <30* |
| 04:56.57 | xbmodder_lappy | amcnabb, hey |
| 04:58.27 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: i'm back east fo a few weeks |
| 04:59.07 | maquis | goozbach: any of you teaching in seattle anytime soon? |
| 05:02.44 | levi | Seattle is cool. :) |
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| 05:05.46 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Are you in the Bay area? |
| 05:14.46 | goozbach | sleepytime |
| 05:14.58 | goozbach | gnight bob |
| 05:22.24 | maquis | bob? |
| 05:22.57 | tensai | MS Bob, of course |
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| 05:46.42 | fozzmoo | Bye! |
| 05:47.03 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Bye! |
| 05:47.33 | fozzmoo | jsmith: You leaving now too? |
| 05:47.40 | JoshH | man, that nintendo revolution controller is a flop |
| 05:47.49 | jsmith | fozzmoo: No, I was just saying goodbye to you... |
| 05:48.18 | fozzmoo | Oh- I was saying goodbye to those who had left. |
| 05:48.25 | fozzmoo | jsmith: you wrote a book? |
| 05:48.37 | jsmith | ~thebook |
| 05:48.41 | ibot | it has been said that thebook is Asterisk: The Future of Telephony by Jim Van Meggelen, Jared Smith & Leif Madsen, published by O'Reilly Media. It can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk |
| 05:48.51 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. I think I remember you saying you were working on one. |
| 05:49.08 | fozzmoo | Well, that'll be nice. When's it gonna be available? |
| 05:49.16 | jsmith | Two days ago :-) |
| 05:49.26 | fozzmoo | And no advance copies for the coauthor? |
| 05:49.38 | jsmith | Nope. They're supposed to be shipping... |
| 05:49.50 | fozzmoo | Stuck in New Orleans? :) |
| 05:49.57 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, yeah |
| 05:50.12 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, cool I am in pleasanton |
| 05:50.21 | fozzmoo | Can I get mine autographed? |
| 05:50.25 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Yes. |
| 05:50.30 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Oh, cool. |
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| 05:52.01 | jsmith | fozzmoo: VNC install? |
| 05:52.13 | fozzmoo | No, in-person install. :) |
| 05:52.51 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Fun. I'm doing network upgrades at a colo in San Jose. |
| 05:53.17 | fozzmoo | For MyComputer.com? ;-) |
| 05:54.28 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Uh, yeah... something like that, only MyComputer.com got sold off to Verisign... |
| 05:54.37 | jsmith | fozzmoo: We're Omniture now... and have been for several years. |
| 05:54.46 | fozzmoo | I know. Hence the winky. |
| 05:55.02 | jsmith | I see. |
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| 06:20.47 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, mhmm |
| 06:20.47 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Nothing like high-latency IRC conversations... |
| 06:20.57 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, hehe. I am bored. Watcha upto? |
| 06:21.36 | jsmith | Replacing switches. |
| 06:22.00 | jsmith | (Upgrading a network from 100mbit to gigabit) |
| 06:22.20 | jsmith | Making sure the load balancers are happy :-) |
| 06:23.21 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 06:23.22 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 06:23.28 | xbmodder_lappy | for what business? |
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| 06:34.31 | findlay | heh, accidently put an iptables rule 'iptables --policy OUTPUT DROP' and wondered why the network didn't work (: |
| 06:35.02 | maquis | findlay: how'd you accidentally do that? |
| 06:35.29 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:35.30 | findlay | copied it from some guy's example |
| 06:35.33 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 06:40.15 | findlay | did you know there is NO warranty on tee; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE?? |
| 06:40.32 | findlay | glad I know that now, so I'll be careful about using it in the furure |
| 06:40.42 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 06:41.08 | findlay | won't want to append to files with valuable data in them with that kind of disclaimer |
| 06:42.09 | levi | Heh, I love software disclaimers. |
| 06:42.33 | levi | They're great counterpoint to the marketing sheets. |
| 06:54.45 | findlay | loosing health units ... must rest ... |
| 06:55.03 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 07:15.16 | jsmith | Man, I sure hate powering off servers that have over 450 days of uptime |
| 07:34.19 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 13:03.43 | hans | i don't dare read that mp3 player thread. there's no way they can still be discussing mp3 players, and I don't want to know which flame war it has degraded into |
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| 14:08.14 | maquis | hans: at 1 this morning, they were still discussing mp3 players |
| 14:08.20 | maquis | it hadn't degenerated yet :) |
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| 14:33.42 | graphyx | morning. |
| 14:37.17 | maquis | graphyx: morning |
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| 14:52.19 | maquis | w00t! |
| 14:52.26 | maquis | my order from newegg left orem this morning |
| 14:53.17 | Jayce^ | how the noob meeting go? |
| 14:54.13 | Jayce^ | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1862 |
| 14:54.23 | maquis | Jayce^: it went pretty well |
| 14:54.35 | Jayce^ | you tell them all to join us here? |
| 14:55.40 | maquis | :) |
| 14:56.04 | maquis | do you guys ever have newbie-meetings? |
| 14:56.15 | Jayce^ | nto for a while |
| 14:56.23 | maquis | they're pretty fun |
| 14:56.29 | graphyx | Yeah we need the noobs here. |
| 14:56.35 | maquis | :) |
| 14:56.49 | graphyx | So that when they as questions and we can google it quick for them they get impressed and think we rock. |
| 14:56.50 | graphyx | It's quite an esteem builder. |
| 14:56.55 | maquis | haha |
| 14:57.35 | maquis | normally for our newbie meetings, we have so much trouble finding presenters, that the presidency and their friends end up presenting |
| 14:57.54 | maquis | this time, we actually had volunteers |
| 14:58.04 | maquis | 1 of them had been using linux for about 3 weeks |
| 14:58.46 | maquis | and 2 of the others were pretty much in the couple-months range |
| 14:58.51 | maquis | turned out a lot better that way |
| 14:58.57 | Jayce^ | hrm, anybody else have ubuntu recently die upgrading libssl? |
| 14:59.17 | maquis | Jayce^: did you move to breezy? |
| 14:59.21 | Jayce^ | no |
| 14:59.24 | maquis | ok... |
| 14:59.26 | Jayce^ | hoary |
| 14:59.32 | Jayce^ | been on it for a while |
| 14:59.32 | maquis | i just know that breezy seems to kill everything |
| 15:07.05 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: what architecture? |
| 15:07.28 | Jayce^ | x86 |
| 15:07.39 | Jayce^ | nothing fancy at all |
| 15:07.49 | Jayce^ | just was doing a dist-upgrade, and it died hard.. |
| 15:08.03 | dataw0lf | dist-upgrade from Warty? |
| 15:08.07 | Jayce^ | got a ton of messages about it not being a proper ELF, and bam.. now it's dead.. |
| 15:08.24 | Jayce^ | no, just been about two weeks since I'd done an upgrade |
| 15:08.30 | Jayce^ | hoary-hoary |
| 15:08.34 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 15:08.41 | dataw0lf | hmm, eine moment |
| 15:16.06 | bonez41 | ein Moment..;) |
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| 15:17.09 | bonez41 | "Moment" ist dann eigentlich Masculine...deshalb der Moment...und zwar ein Moment, anstatt einE Moment |
| 15:18.27 | bonez41 | Jayce^, what is ELF anyway? |
| 15:19.57 | tensai | Executable and Linking Format. It's the file structure used for *nix binaries and libraries |
| 15:20.02 | Jayce^ | bonez41, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format |
| 15:20.39 | tensai | analogous to PE for DOS/Windows |
| 15:23.58 | vontrapp | rubyists? i have a class for which i define to_s, but alas, when i concatenate an instance to a string using '+' it says to me: "can't convert into String (TypeError)" |
| 15:24.06 | vontrapp | any ideas why it would do that? |
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| 15:34.09 | sjansen | maquis: breezy has been treating me fine |
| 15:37.58 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: nobody has any info on any known breakage regarding libssl |
| 15:38.40 | Jayce^ | yeah, I haven't found any |
| 15:39.06 | Jayce^ | but I just get errors on all the .so's saying they aren't ELF files |
| 15:39.07 | dataw0lf | well, I was talking to the developers |
| 15:39.12 | Jayce^ | wrong magic bytes |
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| 15:42.23 | sjansen | Jayce^: corrupted download? |
| 15:42.44 | Jayce^ | I removed it and retried.. |
| 15:42.46 | Jayce^ | same thing |
| 15:43.08 | Jayce^ | besides, md5's work |
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| 15:43.38 | sjansen | looks like j00'v b33n 0wn3rdZ |
| 15:44.17 | Jayce^ | not very likely... the box wasn't even net attached until I went to get the updates |
| 15:45.21 | sjansen | bummer |
| 15:45.35 | sjansen | perhaps they're for the wrong architecture? |
| 15:46.34 | sjansen | guess I'll just have to keep trying harder, eventually I'11 0\/\/|\|Z3R j00 |
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| 16:30.17 | hans | ha, the wiki I set up for our IT dept. about a year ago is finally getting used |
| 16:30.33 | hans | warms my heart, even if it's a little late |
| 16:36.08 | hans | levi: next OS homework: compare implementation of atomic_dec on i386 and sparc |
| 16:37.09 | levi | hans: My OS homework is to turn in a one page outline for a paper I'm going to write that discusses the time/space efficiency of the 'cat' command. |
| 16:37.22 | levi | hans: My OS class is a joke. |
| 16:37.47 | hans | time/space efficiency of cat?? |
| 16:38.07 | levi | Well, originally the assignment was to implement cat. |
| 16:38.14 | hans | um, time of O(n) and space O(1) where n is the size of the file? |
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| 16:38.39 | hans | or maybe he means real cats. that could be an interesting paper |
| 16:38.59 | levi | hans: He wants program traces and analysis of hot points and stuff like that. |
| 16:39.05 | Jayce^ | schroedingers? :) |
| 16:39.13 | levi | Comparisons of different cat implementations. |
| 16:39.26 | levi | The effect of running it multiple times simultaneously. |
| 16:39.40 | levi | I've been trying to think of something to do with this assignment that isn't utterly ridiculous. |
| 16:39.51 | levi | But... it's hard. |
| 16:40.24 | hans | well, sometimes challenges come in cat-sized packages. |
| 16:41.19 | maquis | hans: your class sounds cool |
| 16:41.30 | hans | it is |
| 16:42.09 | sjansen | levi: where are you studying? |
| 16:42.27 | levi | sjansen: UVSC |
| 16:42.57 | levi | sjansen: Usually the class is a little more relevant, but it's a combination of learning the UNIX API as well as OS theory. |
| 16:43.25 | levi | sjansen: This time, it's a joke because the professor was pulled in to teach it with absolutely no preparation and no CS teaching experience. |
| 16:44.40 | sjansen | Perhaps you could implement a cat that dynamical adjust buffers for best performance with varied file systems and sources/destinations. Some type of self adjusting feedback loop. |
| 16:47.04 | Bradipo | Or a cat that uses no buffer at all... |
| 16:47.10 | Bradipo | i.e. character by character. |
| 16:48.19 | Bradipo | Or maybe one that meows when it receives a TERM signal, but if you TERM it more than 9 times, it dies. |
| 16:48.30 | sjansen | http://ilia.ws/archives/13-sendfile-syscall-and-why-the-2.6-linux-kernel-sucks!.html <-- why reimplementing cat with senfile on Linux isn't a good idea |
| 16:48.39 | Bradipo | Unfortunately, even cat doesn't get nine lives if you use KILL signals. |
| 16:49.41 | sjansen | the last comment on the blog post I linnked looks the most interesting |
| 16:50.18 | sjansen | ~lart irssi |
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| 17:31.44 | hans | sjansen: so some guy uses a non-portable function in an even more non-portable way and then claims 2.6.x sucks because it spoiled his fun |
| 17:32.06 | hans | but the best part is his whole purpose for using a non-portable C function in a non-portable way was because PHP was too slow. |
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| 17:59.24 | levi-treo | Gah, stupid server won't let me privmsg from an unregistered nick. |
| 17:59.57 | Bradipo | privmsg as in /msg ? |
| 18:00.06 | levi-treo | Yes. |
| 18:00.08 | Bradipo | Really? |
| 18:00.56 | Bradipo | I guess they must have recently disabled that. |
| 18:04.55 | levi-treo | For spam reasons, they say. |
| 18:10.52 | levi-treo | Hmm. It's dead here, so I'm going to quit wasting battery. |
| 18:12.14 | hans | levi: you can register and link that nick (or any nick) to your nick, so if you're already registered and switch nicks you're registered still |
| 18:12.22 | hans | although I guess that doesn't help much in the treo case |
| 18:21.21 | goozbach | or you could just ssh into a screen session like i'm doing right now |
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| 18:37.47 | Jayce^ | http://www.xmethods.net/ve2/ViewListing.po?key=uuid:A369ECE3-BCF6-CAC1-89D0-FBFCE3FB478B |
| 18:37.50 | Jayce^ | nifty |
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| 18:46.51 | sjansen | wow |
| 18:48.44 | goozbach | cliff notes? |
| 18:48.58 | goozbach | (I'm on my treo) |
| 18:50.59 | vontrapp | city coordinate finder |
| 18:53.18 | goozbach | aahh that explains the borkednesss under links |
| 18:56.20 | Jayce^ | orem city coords |
| 18:56.33 | Jayce^ | web service, give it any orem address, it gives you the GIS |
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| 19:04.44 | emcnabb | hey test446 |
| 19:05.18 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 19:06.04 | test446 | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 19:06.05 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 19:06.38 | emcnabb | ~lart test446 |
| 19:06.52 | sjansen | ~bzfrag emcnabb |
| 19:06.54 | ibot | ACTION kills emcnabb with a shot from his BZTank |
| 19:07.02 | sjansen | boring |
| 19:07.08 | lukfugl | ~decapitate sjansen |
| 19:07.09 | ibot | ACTION cuts of sjansen's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:07.09 | sjansen | ~travolta emcnabb |
| 19:07.10 | ibot | ACTION replaces emcnabb with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
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| 19:08.24 | emcnabb | hey Lip |
| 19:08.38 | Lip | good stuff |
| 19:08.53 | lithp | wath up, homieth |
| 19:09.13 | vontrapp | not as good as Tongue |
| 19:09.19 | vontrapp | sorry, couldn't help it |
| 19:09.22 | sjansen | ~blast emcnabb |
| 19:09.23 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses emcnabb for target practice |
| 19:09.37 | lithp | ~lart vontrapp |
| 19:10.47 | vontrapp | i tried to resist, really |
| 19:11.57 | sjansen | ~silence vontrapp |
| 19:11.58 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in vontrapp's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 19:12.31 | vontrapp | a spit? |
| 19:12.51 | lithp | vontrapp: turning stick |
| 19:12.55 | lithp | axle |
| 19:13.02 | lithp | what have you |
| 19:13.05 | graphyx | not saliva. |
| 19:13.10 | vontrapp | never heard it called that |
| 19:14.33 | graphyx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spit_%28cooking_aide%29 |
| 19:14.42 | graphyx | aparently wikipedia has. |
| 19:15.07 | vontrapp | what's the right side of a horn clause called? |
| 19:15.10 | lithp | ~resist vontrapp |
| 19:15.50 | vontrapp | and the left side, while we're at it |
| 19:16.28 | lithp | hmm, how do you specify the target in an action again? |
| 19:16.37 | lithp | apparently it's not <who> |
| 19:16.49 | lithp | horn clause? |
| 19:17.11 | vontrapp | something <- conditions |
| 19:17.20 | vontrapp | something is true if conditions |
| 19:17.36 | lithp | Then... right side = conditions |
| 19:17.48 | lithp | :) |
| 19:17.54 | vontrapp | yeah, but there were some terms for each side |
| 19:17.57 | lithp | More seriously: predicate? |
| 19:17.57 | vontrapp | can't remember |
| 19:18.08 | lithp | (for the right side) |
| 19:21.52 | vontrapp | premise and conclusion i think |
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| 19:22.10 | levi | implication? |
| 19:22.14 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 19:22.18 | lithp | HarleyPill? :) |
| 19:22.20 | vontrapp | implication is what's happening |
| 19:22.31 | graphyx | no it's PI like 3.14 |
| 19:22.33 | levi | Is that the word you're looking for? |
| 19:22.33 | harleypi1 | lithp: harleypi1 (one). |
| 19:22.35 | harleypi1 | :> |
| 19:22.39 | harleypi1 | lost connection. |
| 19:22.58 | harleypi1 | and it's not letting me change my nick. |
| 19:23.04 | graphyx | cause it is still logged on. |
| 19:23.16 | levi | You can tell nickserv to boot the other connection. |
| 19:23.23 | graphyx | how? |
| 19:23.32 | harleypi1 | usually nickserv comes up and tells me when I try to change my nick, but I'm not even getting a response from nickserv |
| 19:23.42 | graphyx | send him a message. |
| 19:23.56 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.20 | levi | If you /msg nickserv help |
| 19:24.23 | levi | It will tell you how. |
| 19:24.30 | graphyx | I think he managed it. |
| 19:25.13 | harleypig | Weird ... if I've got a channel window open but not joined gaim won't let me change nicks. |
| 19:25.24 | findlay | has anybody here ever installed firefox search plugins before? |
| 19:27.31 | sjansen | been awhile, but yeah |
| 19:28.11 | sudhanwa | findlay: yes |
| 19:28.18 | sudhanwa | its very simple |
| 19:28.50 | sudhanwa | i use google.com/linux and netcraft uptime regularly |
| 19:29.30 | findlay | I can't seem to get it to work for me |
| 19:30.03 | findlay | although I've "allowed" mozdev.org to install software, whatever that means |
| 19:32.56 | sudhanwa | whats the problem u face? |
| 19:34.05 | sjansen | curse you hans haagen! |
| 19:34.31 | findlay | I go to http://mycroft.mozdev.org/install.html, search for plugin, click on the link, it brings up the confirmation box, yet nothing happens |
| 19:34.46 | graphyx | You have to allow that site to do pop ups. |
| 19:34.49 | graphyx | nvm. |
| 19:34.52 | graphyx | You got the box. |
| 19:35.36 | sudhanwa | findlay: oh. have you checked the plugin icons in the search after that? |
| 19:35.51 | findlay | sudhanwa: yup |
| 19:35.57 | sudhanwa | findlay: u get the added icon there, select that |
| 19:36.06 | findlay | it's not there |
| 19:36.19 | sudhanwa | hmmm |
| 19:38.07 | findlay | perhaps I could wget http://mycroft.mozdev.org/plugins/cpan.src into ~/.mozilla/somewhere/plugins |
| 19:42.01 | sudhanwa | i tried installing another plugin. it works for me. it is taking a lot of time though... |
| 19:44.49 | sudhanwa | gotta go guys..bye bye.pluggies..... hasta pronto!!! |
| 19:47.30 | sudhanwa | good night....good day to you in Utah... |
| 19:47.36 | sudhanwa | bye |
| 19:48.03 | vontrapp | sudhanwa: where are you? |
| 19:48.43 | sudhanwa | plug.org.in |
| 19:48.55 | sudhanwa | Pune, India |
| 19:49.00 | Jayce^ | heh... now the come here :) |
| 19:49.19 | sudhanwa | here is one for the road.. http://news.com.com/Bid+to+trademark+the+word+Linux+rejected/2100-7344_3-5868860.html?part=rss&tag=5868860&subj=news |
| 19:50.00 | findlay | sudhanwa: sweet (: |
| 19:50.28 | sudhanwa | i am the co-ordinator of PLUG here :-) |
| 19:50.38 | sudhanwa | anyway, gotta go. good night |
| 19:50.46 | findlay | later |
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| 19:53.43 | hans | sweet |
| 19:53.55 | hans | our very own alter-plug president |
| 19:54.02 | hans | now we can really take over the world |
| 19:54.46 | levi | Sweet. |
| 19:54.55 | levi | PLUGs of the world, UNITE! |
| 19:54.55 | findlay | Sour. |
| 19:55.04 | vontrapp | bitter |
| 19:55.13 | findlay | Saucy. |
| 19:55.16 | levi | Umami. |
| 19:55.18 | vontrapp | spicy |
| 20:00.06 | bonez41 | hans, I got your note bout DSELECT......and thought..ok, time to get rid of it...apt-get remove dselect..and it wanted to wipe out 81 packages in one fell swoop....what's up with that? |
| 20:00.20 | bonez41 | is dselect intimately tied to lots of applications on a debian installation? |
| 20:00.26 | hans | dunno. you don't have to uninstall it |
| 20:00.30 | graphyx | Is there any program in linux that would let you connect to a remote windows machine and alter the registry? |
| 20:00.35 | levi | Just don't /use/ it. |
| 20:01.00 | bonez41 | hans, ok..I may just leave it there.....but why, in telling apt-get to remove it, would apt-get just 'throw in' 80 other packages to boot? |
| 20:01.21 | hans | because they depend on it |
| 20:01.57 | bonez41 | ah..ok, I'll just leave it alone...and not use it... |
| 20:02.38 | bonez41 | is it the same thing with Aptitude? I run aptitude install and it wants to wipe out everything I use and like on my system.... |
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| 20:03.46 | vontrapp | bonez41: it probably looks at the packages installed by dselect|apt |
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| 20:05.30 | bonez41 | vontrapp, and then says...oh, cool, let's just wipe out all the apps this user has installed intentionally in the last month? why the hell would he need all these..that he just installed? |
| 20:05.38 | bonez41 | just seems weird....bassackwards........ |
| 20:06.06 | vontrapp | i don't know, i'd have to look at what those packages are |
| 20:06.37 | vontrapp | it could also be packages that dselect depends upon and were only installed to make dselect happy |
| 20:10.32 | bonez41 | well, I did NOT install jpilot or pilot-link to please dselect, nor Openoffice, nor win4lin, or a zillion other packages.... |
| 20:10.41 | bonez41 | I'll keep on reading..thanks for the help |
| 20:11.04 | vontrapp | looks like it's because dpkg depends on dselect, and averything depends on dpkg |
| 20:11.05 | byronc | bonez41: I missed the beginning of this, but are you just starting to use aptitude? |
| 20:27.57 | hans | no, he'd like to nuke dselect, but it sounds like dselect is deeply-ingrained |
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| 20:28.05 | hans | he just needs to not use dselect and not worry about it |
| 20:31.51 | tensai | dselect is a 'required' package so removing it is not recommended. that said, it looks like I can do it on my sarge box. |
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| 20:37.13 | vontrapp | hmmm, ifrename... |
| 20:37.24 | vontrapp | that could be useful |
| 20:43.50 | bonez41 | byronc, I use apt-get a bit more than I use aptitude.... |
| 20:44.08 | bonez41 | hans, how does dselect get so deeply ingrained in just a week and half of use? |
| 20:46.41 | byronc | bonez41: what program is trying to remove all the packages you have installed? |
| 20:47.04 | bonez41 | byronc, if I run 'aptitude install' it tries to wipe out everything I just installed..... |
| 20:47.40 | bonez41 | byronc, or if I run 'apt-get upgrade' it hangs up on libapache-mod-perl and apache-perl...refuses to remove them, or to install and clean them both up..... |
| 20:48.54 | byronc | bonez41: aptitude install tries to clean up the system by removing anything that didn't appear on an "aptitude install foo" line |
| 20:49.36 | bonez41 | byronc, if that's so...ok, so if I didn't install it specifically with aptitude..then 'aptitude install' will try to wipe it out..... |
| 20:49.41 | bonez41 | I can understand that |
| 20:54.11 | tensai | I don't buy that. I've never used aptitude on this box. When I try installing a new package it doesn't attempt to remove everything else. |
| 20:54.51 | bonez41 | tensai, but do you consistent just use apt-get and never aptitude? |
| 20:55.09 | tensai | yes, just apt-get |
| 20:56.31 | byronc | tensai: just run aptitude install |
| 20:56.50 | byronc | tensai: without any package after it |
| 20:57.30 | tensai | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 811 not upgraded. |
| 20:58.11 | tensai | bonez41: what happens when you run apt-get -f install |
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| 20:58.27 | bonez41 | byronc, so, conceivably if I run aptitude install packagename with all the packages I want aptitude to LEAVE ALONE on my system...and just get the "Already installed" from it..it should then leaves those alone? |
| 20:58.33 | harleypig | GAAH! I hate Digis. That's the 3rd time in 2 months they've just dropped our connection. |
| 20:58.36 | byronc | tensai: on my apt-get only system, running 'aptitude install' tries to remove some packages |
| 20:58.53 | byronc | bonez41: that's how it should work |
| 20:59.23 | bonez41 | tensai, I'll give you the pastebin numbe rin a sec |
| 20:59.52 | tensai | byronc: I don't think that's how it's supposed to work. there must be something else going on. |
| 21:00.11 | bonez41 | http://pastebin.com/365869 |
| 21:03.02 | tensai | looks like the dpkg database is messed up. that's actually dpkg's error. dpkg --configure -a would give the same error. |
| 21:03.52 | tensai | I would try reinstalling mod_dav, mod_php and mod_ssl |
| 21:04.14 | tensai | ah, actually those are apache errors when apache tries to configure itself. it's missing module .info files. |
| 21:04.27 | tensai | when the apache installation script fails, dpkg bails out with an error |
| 21:04.37 | bonez41 | yeah...... |
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| 21:05.01 | bonez41 | I ran dpkg --configure -a and got the same erros... |
| 21:05.01 | tensai | so try reinstalling mod_dav, mod_php and mod_ssl. you might have to remove them and then reinstall. |
| 21:05.02 | bonez41 | errors |
| 21:05.10 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 21:05.41 | specialz | ~lart maquis |
| 21:05.57 | *** part/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@128.187.81.137) |
| 21:06.51 | *** topic/#utah by specialz -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. Seeplanetutah.adelantellc. com for aggregate feed |
| 21:06.58 | graphyx | harleypig: You use digis? Don't they have a 1gig download cap? I looked at that and thought. I can't even download an entire distro cd set before paying more.. |
| 21:07.30 | harleypig | We have the business version. And it's a 5gig cap. |
| 21:07.41 | tensai | woo, 5gig |
| 21:07.46 | graphyx | Still... seems rather low. |
| 21:07.49 | harleypig | We routinely end up paying a ton at the end of the month. |
| 21:08.07 | graphyx | Is that the highest cap they will give you? |
| 21:08.17 | harleypig | We've tried to get them to give us some kind of a deal (we usually use 25 to 40 gigs a month). Yeah. |
| 21:08.34 | tensai | how much are overages? |
| 21:08.37 | graphyx | Extorsion I tell you.. |
| 21:08.46 | tensai | (why do I feel like we're talking about cell phones?) |
| 21:08.56 | harleypig | Definitely. We usually end up paying a couple hundred extra. |
| 21:09.02 | harleypig | But we can't get anyone else out here. |
| 21:09.07 | graphyx | no calbe? no dsl? |
| 21:09.20 | harleypig | Qwest won't install a line unless someone is willing to apy for it. |
| 21:09.22 | harleypig | nope. |
| 21:09.30 | tensai | where is "out here"? |
| 21:09.30 | graphyx | No high powered sattelite wireless .11b to a nearby residence that resells it? |
| 21:10.01 | harleypig | tensai: Near the new movie theatres in American Fork. |
| 21:10.13 | graphyx | Right next to the freeway? |
| 21:10.14 | harleypig | graphyx: Not sure what you mean. |
| 21:10.18 | harleypig | Yeah. |
| 21:10.41 | graphyx | I mean just use .11b/g wireless Line of sight for a mile ppp link to someone that can get cable/dsl... ;) |
| 21:10.54 | harleypig | Oh ... you mean a line of sight ... yeah. |
| 21:11.07 | harleypig | We are blocked by the theatres. |
| 21:11.20 | graphyx | Lows sells long poles.. ;) |
| 21:11.33 | harleypig | I s'pose we could go to one of the houses we see from our front door ... |
| 21:12.02 | bonez41 | tensai, ah... no matter what I try....I get the same errors...and I even write to debian-apache news list..and never get a response.... |
| 21:12.07 | harleypig | We're restricted to what we can put on our roof. Although I've been tempted to loft a baloon and see what wireless networks I can access^Wsee. |
| 21:14.48 | tensai | harleypig: have you checked with speakeasy? they do their own DSL and just resell qwest lines. They can often get you service when Qwest can't? |
| 21:14.58 | tensai | my company does the same thing, but we're not in Utah :( |
| 21:15.09 | graphyx | WHAT?? |
| 21:15.15 | graphyx | Quick kick him.. he isn't in Utah!!! |
| 21:15.19 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 21:15.55 | harleypig | We did when we first opened but I don't think we've checked since then. ... Hmmm ... good idea ... i'll check. |
| 21:16.02 | tensai | http://www.speakeasy.net/business/dsl/ |
| 21:18.00 | Jayce^ | sjansen, sounds like you're ready to do some paintball tomorrow |
| 21:18.16 | harleypig | Hey, if we order a full T1 we get a free DSL line! :> |
| 21:18.18 | specialz | You could, but the FCC just 'deregulated' them, so you may not be able to in the future. |
| 21:19.33 | harleypig | Speakeasy Broadband service is not available at the location you specified. |
| 21:19.41 | specialz | Since obviously one set of phone lines and perhaps cable in big markets means there's enough competition to give us reasonable prices, and the FCC doesn't have to police them anymore. . . |
| 21:20.07 | graphyx | so harleypig: Order a T1 line... get the dsl in.. |
| 21:20.12 | graphyx | And then after 1 month close out the T1. |
| 21:20.17 | harleypig | Uh huh. |
| 21:20.17 | graphyx | and keep the dsl running.. |
| 21:20.50 | tensai | graphyx: gee, I'm sure they never thought of that |
| 21:21.05 | graphyx | I mean you would have to pay for it... but that is what you want.. |
| 21:21.10 | graphyx | TO pay for a dsl line instead of digis.. |
| 21:21.21 | tensai | harleypig: how much bandwidth do you have currently? |
| 21:21.40 | graphyx | They get 1 Meg/s |
| 21:21.42 | graphyx | But cal at 5 gigs. |
| 21:21.52 | graphyx | So in 4 hours you can start getting charged. |
| 21:21.59 | harleypig | Can't order the T1 ... same message. We currently use between 25/35G a month, we have 5G allowed. |
| 21:22.35 | harleypig | Yeah, we figured that by the end of the first week we were already over our limit. |
| 21:22.37 | graphyx | do you pay more for the 2nd 5 gigs than the first? |
| 21:23.29 | harleypig | Yeah. We pay 49.99 for the business account (I think) and we end up paying about 150 more for the remaining amount. |
| 21:24.16 | graphyx | Well if you do, then just get 2x digis lines. |
| 21:24.35 | graphyx | and get 2x the bandwidth. |
| 21:24.46 | graphyx | at a lower cost. |
| 21:24.52 | graphyx | But you would have to get a router that could split the load. |
| 21:24.59 | harleypig | Oops. No, it's 69.99. We're only allowed 1 satellite dish on our roof. We've got 2 now (one for DirecTV). |
| 21:25.14 | tensai | you'd need a second qwest line for that |
| 21:25.27 | harleypig | ? Digis is wireless. |
| 21:25.43 | tensai | oh, I thought this was dsl. what am I smoking? |
| 21:26.00 | tensai | you clearly said it wasn't |
| 21:26.05 | harleypig | :> |
| 21:26.09 | harleypig | Can I have some? |
| 21:26.16 | graphyx | Are you sure you don't have it already? |
| 21:26.25 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:27.27 | harleypig | err ... drop that comma |
| 21:27.31 | harleypig | I don't know how it got there. |
| 21:28.05 | harleypig | Digis has plans where they allow for higher cap on the total bandwidth used, but drops the up/down to 256 both ways. |
| 21:28.07 | vontrapp | parse error at token ',', line 1, harleypig must be smoking |
| 21:28.14 | harleypig | We tried it for 2 days and went nuts. |
| 21:28.41 | vontrapp | why do you have to host the business out there? |
| 21:29.08 | vontrapp | i'm sure you could get hosting somewhere for cheaper |
| 21:29.58 | vontrapp | and use regular digis to manage it from home |
| 21:30.12 | harleypig | Location. We get more walk ins while people are waiting for seats at Ottavios and the movies. |
| 21:30.17 | vontrapp | and avoid the 5x overage |
| 21:30.17 | sjansen | bad broadband support? time to move |
| 21:30.40 | vontrapp | harleypig: i'm just talking about the internet hosting |
| 21:30.55 | vontrapp | host the bandwidth intensive stuff off elsewhere |
| 21:31.05 | harleypig | Our software is web based, none of our applications are local. |
| 21:31.32 | tensai | would an http proxy help any, at least on the static stuff? |
| 21:31.40 | vontrapp | so you're bandwidth is _using_ software hosted elsewhere? |
| 21:31.54 | harleypig | We have been talking about replication and using a local server which replicates to the web, but its low on the priority list. |
| 21:32.17 | harleypig | No, the extra bandwidth is graphics. We take pictures of the items we sell and upload them to the remote server. |
| 21:33.04 | harleypig | They have to be high quality graphics or we get too many questions. We get too many idiotic questions as it is. |
| 21:33.05 | vontrapp | wow, i guess you go through a lot of items |
| 21:33.20 | tensai | honestly, $200 doesn't sound that bad to me. is the service good enough to warrant it? |
| 21:33.23 | harleypig | We do around 30-40k a month in sales on eBay. |
| 21:33.34 | harleypig | tensai: It's the only service availabe where we're at. |
| 21:33.58 | vontrapp | tensai: well, he does hate them for dropping the connection |
| 21:34.07 | vontrapp | harleypig: do you have problems during storms? |
| 21:34.09 | harleypig | Which is annoying because less than 300 yards away dsl is available and we'd be able to get the same for a straight $80 month. |
| 21:34.28 | tensai | harleypig: what I mean is, even if you could pay somebody else $200 a month would the service actually be better? |
| 21:34.28 | harleypig | vontrapp: We have problems if too many people fart in the same 5 minute time period. |
| 21:34.37 | vontrapp | lol |
| 21:35.01 | harleypig | I don't know. this is the only wireless service I've ever used (not counting in house wireless networks). |
| 21:35.37 | harleypig | If it rains we get a lot of dropped packets. If lightning is happening we usually just close up shop. |
| 21:35.54 | harleypig | If it's too windy we get a lot of dropped packets. |
| 21:36.08 | harleypig | i don't know if it's digis or just wireless in general. |
| 21:36.23 | tensai | is there anybody around you that might go in getting qwest out there? |
| 21:36.24 | harleypig | But it's annoying as ... well. anyway. |
| 21:37.12 | harleypig | Nope. We've got Ottavios, Hottiez, Pier49 Pizza and the theatres. None think it would be worth the money to pay for the line (I can't blame them). |
| 21:37.15 | tensai | wireless does have issues. rain and moderate wind shouldn't really cause drops. lighting, yes. but no wireless will guarantee 0% packet loss. |
| 21:37.44 | tensai | what do they want to charge you? |
| 21:38.15 | harleypig | Yeah, I know but I'm talking 30% or more during moderate rain. If the wind is blowing hard enough to blow leaves off the trees we get about the same packet loss. |
| 21:38.53 | harleypig | Last time I checked, Qwest wanted some multiple of a hundred dollars a foot. We're about 300 yards from the nearest trunk. |
| 21:38.56 | tensai | I wouldn't consider 30% in the rain acceptable |
| 21:39.04 | harleypig | Neither do I. |
| 21:39.19 | sjansen | harleypig: solve the problem yourself, find somebody that can get dsl and offer to split the bill 60:40, then steal 500 yards of cable and a trench digger, run a line from them to your office |
| 21:39.29 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:39.38 | harleypig | I'd have to dig up the parking lot too. |
| 21:40.16 | sjansen | okay, so you'll have to grab a jack hammer and be sure to do it over the weekend |
| 21:40.25 | sjansen | not a deal killer, though |
| 21:40.37 | tensai | that's pretty steep. do you think any of those others might split a T1 with you? |
| 21:41.28 | sjansen | use your kids as free labor, tell them it's a game |
| 21:41.45 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:42.12 | harleypig | tensai: no. We've already tried. We're looking at a minimum of 1000 to lay the line. |
| 21:42.42 | harleypig | As much as we make, our profit margin is really very slim. |
| 21:43.11 | harleypig | most of that 30-40K each month goes back to the seller |
| 21:45.21 | levi | harleypig: You run that 'sell it on eBay' store in that newish strip mall? |
| 21:45.36 | harleypig | I'm the programmer, but yeah. |
| 21:45.47 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 21:45.49 | harleypig | I'm the one scaring the normals. |
| 21:46.05 | levi | I see it all the time, driving to and from school. |
| 21:46.32 | levi | What sort of stuff typically gets sold there? And weird stuff stories? |
| 21:46.37 | levi | s/and/any |
| 21:47.41 | harleypig | When we first opened we took anything. People were dumping their attics and garages on us. Nearly killed us. We've since implemented a minimum $50 rule. We must think the item will sell for a minimum of $50 |
| 21:48.08 | harleypig | this guy brought in a piece of granite claiming it was a moon rock. Even had a marble pedestal for it. |
| 21:48.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:49.05 | harleypig | Someone brought in a 14000 (that' fourteen thousand) dollar watch expecting to get that back. They insisted they knew how eBay worked on set the starting bid at $99. |
| 21:49.07 | harleypig | It got one bid. |
| 21:49.35 | levi | Heh. Did he have a reserve? |
| 21:49.44 | harleypig | nope. |
| 21:49.49 | levi | Ouch. |
| 21:50.00 | graphyx | Did you bid on it? |
| 21:50.08 | levi | Certainly there are better places to sell a $14k watch. |
| 21:50.40 | harleypig | this guy brought in a bunch of boxes of lp's. It ended up having a rare copy of the beatles white album in the middle of it, worth about 1000, it sold for 49 |
| 21:50.59 | harleypig | graphyx: It was an ugly wathc. |
| 21:51.10 | graphyx | How was it worth 14K? |
| 21:51.55 | harleypig | *shrug* that was the appraisal letter stated. It was some swedish watch. |
| 21:52.05 | levi | Probably it was worth $14k to him when he bought it, but soon thereafter became worth very little in the market. :) |
| 21:52.31 | tensai | oh, no. the guy on TV said these things only increase in value. |
| 21:52.33 | harleypig | Heh ... she said she paid about $10k for it when she was in Switzerland. |
| 21:52.59 | harleypig | One guy walked in one morning and demanded the money for his car. |
| 21:53.12 | harleypig | I looked him up in our database and he wasn't there. |
| 21:53.28 | harleypig | I asked him if he knew what the item number was |
| 21:53.46 | harleypig | It was somebody else. |
| 21:53.55 | graphyx | how did they know you put it online? |
| 21:54.00 | harleypig | He shipped the car off as soon as the auction was completed. |
| 21:54.06 | harleypig | It wasn't our auction. |
| 21:54.13 | harleypig | before he received the money. |
| 21:54.24 | graphyx | Oh... so he was watching someone else's auction and shipped the car to the wrong person.. |
| 21:54.26 | graphyx | wow... |
| 21:54.31 | graphyx | how did he get the address to ship to? |
| 21:55.04 | harleypig | No, he was selling his car and shipped it to the winning bidder. I told him we were not ebay, and in any case ebay isn't responsible. |
| 21:55.17 | harleypig | The winning bidder sent it to him. |
| 21:55.39 | harleypig | he insisted I give him his money and when I refused he stormed out. |
| 21:55.53 | graphyx | So he shipped the car to the winning bidder of his own auction before the money was collected and then insisted to have you pay him for it? |
| 21:56.07 | harleypig | Yeah. :/ he came back later in the day with a cop (one I had dealings with in the past) |
| 21:56.21 | graphyx | dealins in a good way or a bad way? |
| 21:56.27 | harleypig | He had sworn out a stolen vehicle report naming John Doe at SmoothSellin as the thief. |
| 21:57.05 | harleypig | When Officer Dickhead^WFriendly tried to arrest me I told him I was glad. We needed the publicity and I needed the money. |
| 21:57.14 | graphyx | nice... |
| 21:57.34 | harleypig | Which made him step back and ask me what was going on before cuffing me. |
| 21:57.40 | harleypig | Should've kept my mouth shut. |
| 21:57.41 | graphyx | There you go... |
| 21:58.06 | graphyx | so that ended it then? |
| 21:59.49 | harleypig | No, since he'd sworn out a stolen vehicle naming me (I was the John Doe) I had to go down to the courthouse and explain to the judge why it was a spurious claim. |
| 21:59.53 | harleypig | I hate redneck cops. |
| 22:00.13 | harleypig | I admire cops in general, there's no way I could do what they do, but personally, I can't stand them. |
| 22:00.31 | graphyx | No way to work out some publicity or money out of it then was there? |
| 22:00.55 | harleypig | No. We really didn't want to. sjansen, he was a friend of said Officer Friendly. |
| 22:01.21 | harleypig | He probably didn't even get fined. |
| 22:01.31 | vontrapp | so how can they arrest you as john doe when you're not john doe? |
| 22:02.11 | Bradipo | straw man. |
| 22:02.18 | harleypig | In the report it was something like "Male, approx 6', beard, long hair, name unknown", in the name field was "John Doe" |
| 22:02.54 | harleypig | They guessed my weight wrong too, buy about 150 lbs. :> |
| 22:03.06 | harleypig | errr ... s/buy/by/ |
| 22:04.16 | vontrapp | how much does that go for on ebay? |
| 22:04.23 | vontrapp | 150 lbs that is |
| 22:04.32 | harleypig | ? |
| 22:04.43 | vontrapp | "buy about 150 lb" |
| 22:04.45 | sjansen | whooosh |
| 22:05.00 | harleypig | You'll strip your gears changing direction like that. |
| 22:05.15 | graphyx | at the current conversion rate 150 pounds is worth about 300$. |
| 22:05.19 | harleypig | oh. |
| 22:05.22 | vontrapp | *grind* *crunch* |
| 22:05.52 | harleypig | Well, it depends on its dimensions too. If it's oversized you can add $100 or more to the shipping cost. |
| 22:05.53 | harleypig | :> |
| 22:12.15 | harleypig | Well, there is one major reason why we can't leave this location. |
| 22:12.25 | sjansen | lease |
| 22:12.29 | harleypig | We'd miss all the hotties going in to the tanning salon next door. |
| 22:13.36 | Jayce^ | he's got a valid point... |
| 22:14.08 | graphyx | They are even hotter once the come out.. |
| 22:14.15 | graphyx | So I just got this email from a customer. |
| 22:14.38 | graphyx | You can remove the items stating that we are vulnerable to SQL injection on these sites. The database connection only has readonly access... |
| 22:14.44 | harleypig | ~lart graphyx |
| 22:14.59 | graphyx | I thought that was funny enough to share.. |
| 22:15.15 | harleypig | ? That's funny. |
| 22:15.26 | sjansen | in a sad sort of way |
| 22:15.31 | Bradipo | In light of the recent article on /. that it is ITs fault, yeah. |
| 22:15.42 | graphyx | funny.. yeah.. |
| 22:15.56 | graphyx | Thinking that sql injection meant that you were writting to the database instead of reading from it. |
| 22:16.18 | harleypig | It makes sense if you're only buzzword compliant. |
| 22:16.27 | Bradipo | Maybe you should reply and say injection != insertion. |
| 22:16.28 | sjansen | anything interesting in that db? passwords? soc. security numbers? credit cards? |
| 22:16.31 | graphyx | yeah. I will. |
| 22:16.44 | graphyx | I haven't probed it. |
| 22:17.03 | sjansen | Oh, that's right, you do vulnerability assesments. |
| 22:17.05 | graphyx | I won't probe it. Not my job unless the contract us to do penetration testing. |
| 22:17.37 | graphyx | sjansen: And pentesting.. I am working on getting better at SQL injection. |
| 22:19.38 | sjansen | Could be worse. We contracted PHP developers to create a new site for us. They were required by contract to make it secure and specifically told that they couldn't use register_globals. |
| 22:20.03 | Jayce^ | by using PHP they invalidated that contract.. |
| 22:20.09 | sjansen | So they inserted the equivalent in several places blinding importing the contents or $_REQUEST into the apps namepace. |
| 22:21.49 | sjansen | Just looking at it, I felt unclean for weeks. I was sullen and irritable. I had frequent violent thoughts. |
| 22:21.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that's par for you.... |
| 22:22.16 | Jayce^ | pois è |
| 22:22.28 | Tene | That's how I am trying to do things with SugarCRM |
| 22:22.34 | Jayce^ | é |
| 22:22.35 | Tene | I feel dirty. |
| 22:22.50 | Jayce^ | ~cluebat Tene |
| 22:22.53 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Tene. |
| 22:23.16 | hans | WHY WHY WHY is it that hylafax must choose the one modem in 8 that is NOT working to try to send a fax with? |
| 22:23.45 | sjansen | As if my current ConTeXt frustrations weren't, you had to remind me of PHP. |
| 22:24.05 | vontrapp | ~spell tempermentel |
| 22:24.09 | sjansen | ~nuke graphyx |
| 22:24.11 | Tene | PSA: avoid SugarCRM at all costs. |
| 22:24.23 | sjansen | ~destroy graphyx |
| 22:24.24 | ibot | no |
| 22:24.29 | sjansen | yes! |
| 22:24.46 | hans | bonez41: dselect is ingrained by definition |
| 22:25.19 | graphyx | no? funnny. |
| 22:29.15 | vontrapp | how come there's not a shorter word for difference? |
| 22:29.26 | vontrapp | ~lart long words |
| 22:29.59 | vontrapp | ok, only informative long words then |
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| 22:31.29 | sjansen | vontrapp is poo |
| 22:31.43 | sjansen | vontrapp: there's some short words for you |
| 22:31.47 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:31.52 | vontrapp | vontrapp is too long |
| 22:32.02 | sjansen | well, that's your fault isn't it? |
| 22:32.05 | maquis | "Use a screwdriver to twist screwws down before press the button and pull the supporter out of the box" |
| 22:32.12 | harleypig | Going home ... have a good night. |
| 22:32.12 | vontrapp | hmmm is okay, but it does not really mean much |
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| 22:32.28 | maquis | what screws? |
| 22:32.48 | vontrapp | screws in a supporter? |
| 22:32.49 | maquis | i only see two screws, but they certainly don't appear like they want to twist down |
| 22:32.59 | maquis | hard drive enclosure |
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| 22:35.13 | maquis | any ideas? |
| 22:35.54 | vontrapp | i might if i could see it |
| 22:35.59 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:36.09 | maquis | from the picture, i'm supposed to pull two of the screws out |
| 22:36.31 | maquis | but i certainly wouldn't call that twisting screws down |
| 22:45.44 | levi | I just ignore the text, if I look at instructions like that at all. |
| 22:49.04 | maquis | yeah... |
| 22:49.06 | maquis | that's what i ended up doing |
| 22:49.14 | maquis | it's kinda disturbing, though |
| 22:53.30 | maquis | hmmm |
| 22:53.54 | maquis | if it doesn't currently have a "valid partition table", i just need to format it with fdisk, right? |
| 22:55.25 | levi | Probably. |
| 22:55.54 | maquis | mmk |
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| 23:37.18 | xbmodder_lappy | do you think that I would not want to be a geek? |
| 23:38.37 | xbmodder_lappy | Dude the beginning to to hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy is frickin' funny. |
| 23:38.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Cheer meself up :) |
| 23:39.38 | jsmith | The whole "So long, and thanks for all the fish" routine? |
