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| 00:42.10 | maquis | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2005/ft050903.gif |
| 00:43.17 | maquis | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2005/ft050902.gif |
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| 00:55.28 | hans | wow, kernel/postgres hacker with knowledge of internals. $45-$55 |
| 00:55.59 | maquis | per month? |
| 00:56.01 | maquis | :) |
| 00:56.29 | hans | k |
| 00:56.33 | hans | per year. |
| 00:56.38 | hans | pitiful for what they're asking for |
| 00:56.57 | maquis | :) |
| 00:57.00 | levi | Geez. |
| 00:57.11 | levi | hans: Who's asking for that? |
| 00:57.59 | levi | Good kernel people don't exactly grow on trees. |
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| 00:58.49 | hans | post came on the sllug job list |
| 00:58.53 | hans | park city location |
| 00:59.03 | hans | (which isn't exactly a cheap place to live either) |
| 00:59.08 | levi | Hah. No kidding. |
| 00:59.29 | hans | to be fair, they said $45k-$55k+DOE |
| 00:59.36 | levi | DOE? |
| 00:59.48 | hans | not sure if that means your experience raises you above the baseline, or if you _might_ get more if you're really qualified |
| 01:00.03 | maquis | what's doe? |
| 01:00.09 | hans | depending on experience |
| 01:00.29 | graphyx | doe a deer a female deer, come on you have seen the movie... |
| 01:00.54 | levi | graphyx: You need to turn on your case-sensitivity option. :) |
| 01:01.50 | graphyx | maquis asked what's doe? |
| 01:01.51 | graphyx | not DOE |
| 01:02.18 | maquis | are you surprised? |
| 01:02.29 | graphyx | levi: Perhaps you need to turn yours on.. |
| 01:02.34 | graphyx | ;) |
| 01:03.54 | levi | maquis: Lazy bum! |
| 01:09.16 | graphyx | so what is everyone up to tonight? |
| 01:09.25 | graphyx | And when are we going to do that UT2K4 game ? |
| 01:23.25 | graphyx | implementing AES? |
| 01:26.20 | maquis | yup |
| 01:26.58 | goozbach | graphyx: the encryptiion algorithm |
| 01:27.04 | goozbach | (for homework) |
| 01:27.10 | maquis | yeah |
| 01:27.53 | graphyx | now that doesn't sound like a ton of fun. |
| 01:28.05 | graphyx | What class is that for? |
| 01:28.05 | maquis | it's actually really interesting... |
| 01:28.08 | maquis | a bit hard, though |
| 01:28.12 | maquis | graphyx: security |
| 01:28.16 | graphyx | 465? |
| 01:28.34 | graphyx | I read through the first half of applied cryptography. |
| 01:28.41 | levi | What's hard about it? |
| 01:28.56 | graphyx | But once it got to the details about implementation it really isn't that much of a page turner. |
| 01:29.05 | graphyx | we had to do a key pair generator. |
| 01:29.12 | graphyx | I did mine in perl just to learn the language. |
| 01:29.13 | goozbach | I'm trying to rescue a downed phpwiki installation. |
| 01:29.21 | goozbach | and it's kicking me in the teeth |
| 01:29.26 | graphyx | not the best language to do math in mind you.. but I got there. |
| 01:29.32 | goozbach | yeah... |
| 01:29.40 | goozbach | that's a good way to learn perl :) |
| 01:29.50 | levi | I'm doing some of my design patterns homework in D. |
| 01:29.50 | maquis | C is pretty interesting |
| 01:29.56 | graphyx | I did all my 465 projects in perl except for 1 of them. |
| 01:29.59 | graphyx | I can't recall which. |
| 01:30.04 | graphyx | But it did help me learn perl. |
| 01:30.08 | graphyx | which was my goal. |
| 01:30.17 | levi | You know how I feel about C. |
| 01:30.25 | maquis | levi: yes... |
| 01:30.30 | maquis | but it's important to know |
| 01:30.35 | graphyx | now the password dictionary generation in perl was really easy. |
| 01:30.42 | graphyx | but took a lot longer than the hashing. |
| 01:30.43 | maquis | i don't think that perl would be very good for implementing AES |
| 01:30.48 | graphyx | I agree. |
| 01:31.05 | maquis | but i should try something in perl if i can find something that it'd be good for |
| 01:31.12 | graphyx | yeah |
| 01:31.23 | levi | maquis: You should try it in D. |
| 01:31.49 | levi | maquis: In fact, you could probably copy your C implementation and compile it under D with only a few modifications. |
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| 01:39.33 | hans | i've never looked at D, but you got me thinking - |
| 01:40.23 | hans | very few (none that I know of) scripting languages support direct memory manipulation the way C does |
| 01:40.51 | hans | but even when you're doing that sort of thing, you still can make use of a lot of benefits that C really lacks |
| 01:41.43 | levi | hans: What do you mean? |
| 01:41.46 | hans | e.g. objects, returning whatever from a function (not playing the char* game and variations like maquis was learning yetserday) |
| 01:42.03 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 01:42.38 | hans | so is there a language (maybe D, maybe lisp, etc.) that gives you C-like control over things like pointers, bitmasks, etc. (maybe only for some types, but without the crazy hoops you have to jump through in some languages) |
| 01:42.54 | hans | while giving you all the strengths (or the major ones anyway) of a language like perl or ruby or python ... |
| 01:43.22 | hans | \] |
| 01:43.43 | graphyx | good question. |
| 01:43.48 | levi | D does give you all the low-level access of C, but also provides a Java-like object system (but without some of the Java object system limitations). It also has dynamic arrays and strong typing. |
| 01:43.55 | graphyx | Sounds like you might need to write up "E" for us hans. |
| 01:44.12 | hans | because as much as I like ruby, I would rather program something like audio software or encryption algorithms, etc. in C than any other language (maybe a minimal subset of C++) |
| 01:44.14 | graphyx | sounds like a discertation to me. |
| 01:44.25 | hans | levi: sounds like a good start |
| 01:44.33 | hans | dynamic arrays are high on the list |
| 01:44.34 | levi | It also has anonymous functions that work as closures (at least as long as the stack variables in the environment are still around). |
| 01:45.07 | hans | hmm, what would you call that, formally? not really a closure is it? |
| 01:45.09 | levi | You also get to access non-static variables in anonymous inner classes, again as long as the stack variables are around. |
| 01:45.35 | levi | hans: It does close over the environment, but since members of the environment may be on the stack, the extent of the closure is limited. |
| 01:45.38 | hans | sounds like a good start anyhow, so how does it perform? |
| 01:45.44 | levi | Very well. |
| 01:45.58 | hans | might be worth looking into for audio programming, which I anticipate doing in the next few years |
| 01:45.59 | levi | It was written by a guy who writes compilers. |
| 01:46.09 | hans | cool |
| 01:46.11 | goozbach | the other day I was lookin for a .ape to .mp3 converter... |
| 01:46.16 | levi | It owns in the language shootout. |
| 01:46.20 | goozbach | it was programed in VB.net |
| 01:46.34 | goozbach | all that audio manipulation in VB... |
| 01:47.06 | levi | hans: I'm using the D frontend to gcc on my mac, but the Digital Mars compiler is free to use on Windows and Linux. |
| 01:48.13 | levi | hans: The main problem I'm having with it is that documentation is sparse. |
| 01:48.50 | levi | hans: I found a good discussion/information site the other night that helped me a lot, though. |
| 01:50.53 | hans | goozbach: don't give me nightmares |
| 01:52.27 | levi | Anyway, D is nice because it lets you get to the C level easily to do bit manipulation and such, but it also has a type system that's not totally worthless and decent abstraction facilities. |
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| 02:01.00 | levi | hans: Common Lisp also has facilities for bit-level manipulation of binary data, but there's more of a learning curve there for C users. Peter Seibel uses them to create a really cool abstraction for defining binary file structure in "Practical Common Lisp", and then builds an id3 reader and a shoutcast server with it. |
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| 02:39.47 | levi | So, I have the new Depeche Mode song stuck in my head now. |
| 02:43.07 | levi | And I finished my little D program. Much nicer than Java or C++, in lots of little ways. |
| 02:44.54 | graphyx | What did you do in D? |
| 02:46.28 | levi | A little toy program that used the Strategy design pattern. |
| 02:46.36 | graphyx | What is that? |
| 02:46.52 | levi | Are you familiar with design patterns in general? |
| 02:47.19 | graphyx | I did take the software dev class at BYU when I got my CS degree. |
| 02:47.28 | graphyx | been a couple years. |
| 02:47.34 | graphyx | and I don't do any serious development.. |
| 02:47.39 | graphyx | but I think I have a handle on it. |
| 02:47.50 | levi | 'Design Patterns' is a specific thing, not general software design. |
| 02:48.01 | graphyx | I understand. |
| 02:48.06 | graphyx | like the singleton. |
| 02:48.10 | graphyx | and the proxy, |
| 02:48.10 | levi | Right. |
| 02:48.25 | levi | Okay, I wasn't sure if you were asking about design patterns in general or just the Strategy pattern. |
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| 02:48.31 | graphyx | the Strategy. |
| 02:50.24 | levi | Strategy is useful when you want to be able to change the algorithm which you use for a task at runtime. You break off the task into its own class/interface, and you subclass that for the various algorithms. Then the main class gets a reference to the algorithm class/interface. |
| 02:51.26 | maquis | it's hot |
| 02:52.01 | levi | maquis: Silly. You'll get it eventually. And then it will snow! |
| 02:52.10 | maquis | yay for snow!!!! |
| 02:52.14 | levi | Boo for snow. |
| 02:52.17 | maquis | except driving in it |
| 02:52.35 | levi | Yeah, you won't like it so much when you're not a student anymore and you have to drive every day. |
| 02:52.43 | maquis | not necessarily |
| 02:52.59 | maquis | in seattle, a lot of people just take the bus to work |
| 02:53.01 | maquis | it's a lot easier |
| 02:53.30 | levi | Well, if you have a bus available, that's great. I don't have that option. |
| 02:54.13 | levi | Plus, I hate cold weather because it makes it hard to bike. |
| 02:54.19 | maquis | ~hug radical left-wing crazies who got seattle a good bus system |
| 02:54.20 | ibot | ACTION hugs radical left-wing crazies who got seattle a good bus system |
| 02:54.48 | maquis | levi: here's my opinion on weather |
| 02:54.48 | graphyx | Ok so you have different routines that get called for various items depending on how they were instantiated? |
| 02:54.56 | maquis | if it's too cold, add layers |
| 02:55.05 | maquis | if it's too hot.. umm... there's not a whole lot you can do |
| 02:55.47 | maquis | what's gam_server? |
| 02:55.47 | levi | maquis: That works fine as long as there's not snowy/icy/salty crap all over the road. |
| 02:55.55 | maquis | and why is it taking up 97.5% of my cpu |
| 02:56.01 | levi | maquis: And the mountain trails become unridable. |
| 02:56.06 | maquis | umm... |
| 02:56.10 | maquis | that's really not good |
| 02:56.45 | levi | graphyx: It's not just an instantiation thing, though you generally specify what strategy you want it to start with. You can change the strategy at runtime with a method call. |
| 02:56.52 | maquis | someone? |
| 02:57.11 | levi | maquis: I dunno, try looking to see what package it belongs to? |
| 02:57.20 | maquis | levi: how do i do that? |
| 02:57.27 | graphyx | ok cool. |
| 02:57.44 | graphyx | So there is a variable that controls which style to use. |
| 02:58.07 | levi | maquis: dpkg -S |
| 02:58.19 | graphyx | for example a single item could contain all the data and a variable would say whether to do a depth first search, beadth first, or double ended search.. |
| 02:58.23 | graphyx | I think I like it. |
| 02:58.24 | levi | graphyx: Right, a private variable that holds a reference to the strategy object. |
| 02:58.31 | graphyx | not that I have a use for it right now.. |
| 02:58.32 | maquis | levi: [osiris erins] dpkg -S gam_server |
| 02:58.32 | maquis | gamin: /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server |
| 02:59.09 | levi | maquis: Now apt-cache show gamin |
| 03:00.19 | maquis | levi: it's part of the "File Alteration Monitor" |
| 03:00.35 | levi | maquis: Well, now you know what it is. |
| 03:01.30 | maquis | yeah... trying to find out from sjansen if it's safe to remove it |
| 03:03.49 | graphyx | levi: So the Strategy pattern seems like one that would be really simple to implement in C or perl. |
| 03:03.54 | graphyx | using function pointers. |
| 03:04.10 | graphyx | If you like using function pointers. |
| 03:04.30 | levi | graphyx: function pointers or higher-order functions, yes. |
| 03:04.42 | goozbach | o/~everybody's doing the fish... yeah yeah yeah!o/~ |
| 03:04.56 | graphyx | goozback: When you going to get that UT2K4 server going? |
| 03:05.20 | goozbach | graphyx: I'll try this weekend |
| 03:05.31 | levi | maquis: If you remove it, fam stuff probably won't work anymore. But it's not critical. |
| 03:05.40 | graphyx | cool |
| 03:05.41 | maquis | levi: things like vim seem to depend on it |
| 03:05.47 | maquis | so, i probably need to keep it |
| 03:06.17 | levi | Huh, I guess vim gets notified via fam if a file it's editing changes. That's nifty. |
| 03:07.18 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:07.30 | maquis | looks like this bug is "hard to reproduce" |
| 03:09.04 | graphyx | Nite all. |
| 03:09.28 | levi | maquis: I'd just restart it and hope it doesn't act up again. |
| 03:21.22 | mheath | Would anyone be willing to lease me some server time to run a very low traffic (<30 users) IRC server? |
| 03:22.16 | mheath | I'm a regular on a very small and close community. Used to be a bigger free webhosting group, but they've been suffering from frequent server problems lately that they can't deal with with such a small budget |
| 03:22.52 | mheath | One thing taking a hit is their IRC service, which is small but very active. I'd like to lease some server space to run a leaf for the server.. |
| 03:31.18 | maquis | ummm |
| 03:31.23 | maquis | is it bad if md5sum doesn't return? |
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| 03:33.06 | maquis | TimRiker: how long is it supposed to take for md5sum to return when i'm checking the sum of an iso? |
| 03:33.14 | maquis | (340 MB) |
| 03:33.35 | maquis | and it looks like the FAM server is getting annoyed at me... |
| 03:34.39 | xbmodder | about 3 minutes |
| 03:35.31 | maquis | that's a long time |
| 03:35.39 | TimRiker | maquis: depends on the size of the iso and the speed of your machine/drive |
| 03:35.49 | maquis | 2Ghz processor |
| 03:36.00 | maquis | 340 MB iso |
| 03:36.36 | TimRiker | I have boxes at work that'll do it in less than a minute. but then having boxes with 8G of ram is handy for things like that. |
| 03:37.02 | maquis | 8G? |
| 03:37.04 | maquis | that's crazy! |
| 03:37.07 | TimRiker | =) |
| 03:37.20 | maquis | my old laptop was 512 |
| 03:37.27 | maquis | no |
| 03:37.31 | maquis | my old laptop was 256 |
| 03:37.34 | maquis | this one's currently 512 |
| 03:37.49 | maquis | but i'm going to buy him another 512... |
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| 03:43.42 | hans | man I hate it when profs give you frameworks to "help" |
| 03:43.53 | maquis | hans: yeah... no kidding |
| 03:43.59 | maquis | what are you building? |
| 03:45.22 | maquis | anyone good with diagnosing cdrecord errors? |
| 03:50.28 | maquis | please? |
| 03:50.33 | maquis | pretty please? |
| 03:51.57 | goozbach | amarok just tried to kill me |
| 03:52.12 | goozbach | it froze and blasted out a single note at full volume |
| 03:52.28 | goozbach | I had my inside-the-ear headphones on. |
| 03:52.38 | goozbach | methinks my eardrums are bleeding |
| 03:56.15 | maquis | goozbach: ouch! |
| 03:56.18 | levi | Heh, whoops. |
| 03:57.06 | maquis | so much for that gam_server thing being hard to reproduce |
| 03:57.12 | maquis | i've reproduced it twice in 20 minutes |
| 03:58.20 | mheath | maquis, it should return very quickly |
| 03:58.27 | mheath | less than 30 seconds |
| 03:58.33 | maquis | mheath: ?? |
| 03:58.38 | maquis | gam_server? |
| 03:58.39 | mheath | (your earlier md5sum question) |
| 03:58.51 | maquis | mheath: oh... it ended up doing it in about a minute.5 |
| 03:59.14 | maquis | i was just worried because i didn't know how long it would take |
| 03:59.34 | mheath | I need to go to sleep soon |
| 04:00.04 | mheath | I'm trying to get back into my 2115-0515 sleep routine |
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| 04:01.57 | maquis | mheath: that's not a bad routine |
| 04:02.30 | maquis | with occasional changes |
| 04:03.27 | mheath | Heh, I'm out the door every morning by 0700. |
| 04:04.46 | mheath | Three changes that need to be made: End of daylight savings time, End of time zones, and the end of 12-hour clocks |
| 04:07.46 | goozbach | I FIGURED IT OUT!!! |
| 04:07.57 | goozbach | I've only been working on it for 12 straight hours |
| 04:08.10 | levi | goozbach: Woo! |
| 04:09.47 | emcnabb | goozbach, what on? |
| 04:10.28 | mheath | maquis, why only 5 hours of sleep? |
| 04:10.32 | mheath | ugh, thats unhealthy |
| 04:11.23 | mheath | ontop of that I've been reading the US Navy Quartermaster training manual. I plan to be able to pass the tests before I even go through their classes =P |
| 04:11.29 | goozbach | emcnabb: I've been tasked with migrating the data off the old phpwiki to the new metawiki |
| 04:11.49 | goozbach | only problem is.. we don't have the old phpwiki running |
| 04:11.56 | goozbach | until about 60 seconds ago |
| 04:12.12 | emcnabb | fun |
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| 04:16.19 | maquis | goozbach: congrats |
| 04:16.28 | maquis | mheath: that's when i have time |
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| 04:39.04 | levi | maquis: You'd have more time to sleep if you spent less time fighting Linux. ;) |
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| 04:53.16 | levi | Oooh, libssh. |
| 04:53.42 | levi | This may be the answer to my embedded device security woes. |
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| 04:56.12 | levi | Hmm, maybe not. Doesn't act as a server. |
| 05:07.29 | maquis | levi: yeah... but then i'd be fighting windows |
| 05:07.32 | maquis | which is much more painful |
| 05:08.01 | levi | I dunno, I manage to get along pretty well at work with Linux without fighting it very often. |
| 05:08.08 | levi | And I rarely fight OS X. |
| 05:08.16 | levi | In fact, I rarely fight Windows when I use it. |
| 05:08.36 | maquis | levi: the times i've spent using windoze were usually disasters |
| 05:08.49 | maquis | at work, i got teased because i had problems with the win laptop |
| 05:10.17 | levi | What were you doing with it that gave you so much trouble? |
| 05:10.42 | maquis | troublesome things |
| 05:10.51 | maquis | like trying to configure lookout |
| 05:16.44 | levi | lookout? |
| 05:16.51 | maquis | outlook |
| 05:17.02 | goozbach | what? not comfortable with a gui MUA? |
| 05:17.25 | maquis | not comfortable configuring with text boxes and drop-downs and such |
| 05:17.32 | maquis | not sure where to find the options i want |
| 05:17.45 | maquis | can't grep nested windows very well |
| 05:23.19 | goozbach | poorly written PHP has turned my brain to mush |
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| 05:43.34 | Supaplex | it's self obsificating isn't it? |
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| 05:50.15 | scott_ | alright, I don't know a lot about middle man attacks, but my shell is behaving oddly |
| 05:51.36 | scott_ | when I ssh to it I first get a blank line and then Password: and after I type my password in three times, each time getting Password: on a new line with a blank line between it and the last one a line scott@host.com's password: comes up, and after I type that in it shows me log in and then "Connect to host.come closed. |
| 05:51.42 | scott_ | seems really bizarre |
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| 06:02.41 | maquis | scott_: are you doing the password correctly? |
| 06:03.33 | maquis | (yes, i know it's a kinda stupid question... but if you know that the password was typed in correctly, and it's turning you away, i'd be somewhat concerned |
| 06:05.34 | scott_ | I'm not completely sure, but it does log me in and then out |
| 06:05.39 | scott_ | so I assume that means yes |
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| 06:06.38 | findlay | hello, just dropped by to see how the flames were going |
| 06:07.27 | maquis | ~flame findlay |
| 06:07.28 | ibot | findlay sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 06:07.40 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 06:07.52 | maquis | ~timeout findlay |
| 06:07.53 | ibot | ACTION grabs findlay by the ear, drags him to the timeout chair, and forces him to sit there for 20 minutes |
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| 13:06.09 | graphyx | morning. |
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| 13:20.33 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 14:00.30 | sjansen | with at least three ethernet ports, preferably switched but I'll accept a hub |
| 14:01.36 | levi | sjansen: CompUSA is that way. |
| 14:03.26 | maquis | levi: is what way? |
| 14:03.56 | levi | maquis: I don't know, but it's certainly in some direction from sjansen. |
| 14:04.19 | levi | maquis: He just has to imagine me pointing in the correct direction, and all is well. |
| 14:04.22 | maquis | levi: oh |
| 14:04.23 | maquis | :) |
| 14:07.10 | levi | maquis: You need to sleep more. |
| 14:08.47 | sjansen | Who needs sleep? No, she's never going to get it? Who needs sleep? Tell me, what's that for? |
| 14:17.17 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:19.39 | dataw0lf | what is this 'sleep' ? |
| 14:21.36 | maquis | dataw0lf: it's what my roommates are doing when they're not watching tv |
| 14:21.44 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 14:22.27 | dataw0lf | mmmm new artwork on my arm is sweet. |
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| 14:27.28 | maquis | doh |
| 14:27.28 | maquis | too late |
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| 14:37.57 | dataw0lf | levi: various BBC podcasts |
| 14:38.16 | dataw0lf | and of course NPR |
| 14:38.16 | goozbach | twit |
| 14:38.18 | dataw0lf | http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_directory.php |
| 14:38.31 | dataw0lf | goozbach: twit? |
| 14:38.42 | goozbach | and the phil hendrie show |
| 14:38.46 | levi | Ooh, All Songs Considered. |
| 14:38.55 | goozbach | www.twit.tv |
| 14:39.08 | dataw0lf | goozbach: hmm. |
| 14:41.31 | dataw0lf | man. |
| 14:41.33 | RyanE | does Phil have a podcast? Do you need to be a subscriber? |
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| 14:41.58 | dataw0lf | I've had about 20 tattoos done and this one is the most painful for some reason. |
| 14:42.03 | dataw0lf | RyanE: Yeah, you need to pay. |
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| 15:03.38 | tensai | Science Friday has a podcast that isn't listed on that page. that's a really good one. |
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| 15:07.49 | hans | levi: the one I posted yesterday staccatomusic.org or something |
| 15:10.13 | sjansen | tensai, url? |
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| 15:13.46 | bonez42 | My apache installation appears to be hosed..I can't boot my system now, as it hangs at Starting web server: apache..... Suggestions? |
| 15:16.18 | graphyx | boot up a livecd. |
| 15:16.22 | graphyx | chroot into the system. |
| 15:16.30 | graphyx | remove the apache from the boot up. |
| 15:16.37 | graphyx | reboot system back into standard mode. |
| 15:16.51 | graphyx | And figure out why the system is crashing when apache tries to start up. |
| 15:16.54 | bonez42 | graphyx, I have an older woody disc.......if I boot with that....what option do I pick to get in and fix this? |
| 15:17.04 | graphyx | I am not good with debian. |
| 15:17.18 | bonez42 | ok... |
| 15:17.21 | graphyx | But I often use knoppix to chroot into a gentoo system and haven't had any poblems with that . |
| 15:21.40 | sjansen | graphyx, that's a bit extreme |
| 15:22.06 | sjansen | bonez42, I'll assume you use grub as your boot loader |
| 15:22.08 | dataw0lf | a bit? |
| 15:22.29 | bonez42 | sjansen, yeah, I like grub |
| 15:22.30 | sjansen | at boot, interrupt grub by pressing any key |
| 15:22.59 | bonez42 | ok......when the grub screen listing various kernels is up...any key? except Enter? |
| 15:23.02 | sjansen | pick the kernel you want to boot, but instead of pressing enter, press "a" to append to the boot options |
| 15:23.09 | bonez42 | ok |
| 15:23.14 | graphyx | sjansen: well I use knoppix for system imaging so chrooting into it once imaged it really easy. |
| 15:23.21 | graphyx | But please enlighten me on a better process. |
| 15:23.36 | sjansen | at the end of the line, append the number 1 and press enter |
| 15:23.51 | sjansen | this will boot you into run level 1 |
| 15:24.00 | bonez42 | just space and 1...and enter... |
| 15:24.02 | bonez42 | ok.... |
| 15:24.09 | sjansen | while in run level one, disable apache using your preferred method |
| 15:24.17 | bonez42 | from there I can enter as single user..ok |
| 15:24.20 | graphyx | yeah that does seem a bit easier. |
| 15:24.36 | bonez42 | is apache started in /etc/init.d or somewhere ?not sure how to disable it... |
| 15:24.40 | sjansen | you can then "reboot" or "init 3" or switch to whatever run level you want |
| 15:25.59 | sjansen | bonez42, no, but I'm going to leave it to a Debian user to describe the "best" way to disable apache |
| 15:26.20 | dataw0lf | update-rc.d? :) |
| 15:26.38 | sjansen | ~lart update-rc.d |
| 15:26.42 | dataw0lf | ;) |
| 15:27.02 | bonez42 | dataw0lf, so, what is the best way to disable apache on my system? |
| 15:27.30 | dataw0lf | sjansen: as much as I hate to say it, so do I. |
| 15:28.18 | dataw0lf | bonez42: *shrug* |
| 15:28.21 | dataw0lf | update-rc.d |
| 15:28.22 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 15:28.53 | bonez42 | dataw0lf, so, update-rc.d apache remove? |
| 15:29.45 | dataw0lf | update-rc.d apache stop <run levels> |
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| 15:32.13 | bonez42 | dataw0lf, I invoke update-rc.d apache stop 6 and it tells me I need NN after 'stop' .... |
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| 15:32.30 | Uncle_Jesse | hola |
| 15:32.43 | bonez42 | buenas Uncle Jesse |
| 15:32.46 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know of any public-domain satellite image providers? |
| 15:33.05 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to write a hurricane tracker with open-source technology |
| 15:33.34 | Uncle_Jesse | aka not relying on google for its data |
| 15:35.38 | tensai | sjansen: http://www.sciencefriday.com/audio/scifriaudio.xml |
| 15:47.16 | dataw0lf | bonez42: oh well. s/S/K then. |
| 15:47.33 | bonez42 | s/S/K? |
| 15:47.53 | bonez42 | I am dense..I know.....I hate to ever bug anyone here..but I am determined... |
| 15:48.31 | dataw0lf | mv /etc/rc.<runlevel>/SNNservice /etc/rc.<runlevel>/KNNservice |
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| 15:54.12 | Uncle_Jesse | it seems like every one I've used is always buggy |
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| 16:06.36 | roscivs-w | k ... so I have this idea ... turn caps lock into a modifier key (perhaps by switching with the windows key?) and remap caps+h into left-arrow, caps+j into down-arrow, etc. ... |
| 16:07.06 | roscivs-w | Is this possible with xmodmap? Well, I'm about to find out. |
| 16:09.30 | maquis | roscivs-w: that's an interesting idea |
| 16:09.59 | roscivs-w | i'm trying to figure out how to map a multiple-key sequence (like ctrl-h or windows-h) |
| 16:10.22 | roscivs-w | hm. no xev installed. |
| 16:10.42 | levi | maquis: Tsk. Caps should be Control! You have a perfectly good esc with ^[ |
| 16:11.18 | roscivs-w | heh, i remember an interesting thread on the uug several years when I realized why ^[ didn't work for me |
| 16:11.19 | levi | Hmm. I now have 12 hours of podcasts on my Shuffle. I don't know when I'll have a chance to listen to all that. |
| 16:11.21 | maquis | meh |
| 16:11.38 | levi | And I need to clean my work keyboard. :/ |
| 16:11.58 | maquis | levi: go soak it in a bathtub :-D |
| 16:12.16 | roscivs-w | anyway, I find that moving my hand to the arrow keys is the primary cause of wrist stress at the keyboard as of late |
| 16:12.36 | roscivs-w | so hopefully this will fix/mitigate that problem. |
| 16:13.30 | levi | roscivs-w: So, why didn't ^[ work for you? |
| 16:13.48 | roscivs-w | hey, is there a command-line way to switch virtual terminals, e.g. to switch from ctrl-alt-f7 to f8? |
| 16:13.51 | maquis | roscivs-w: yeah... my laptop has them pretty close, but i still try to stay in vim or whatever... |
| 16:13.55 | maquis | roscivs-w: chvt |
| 16:14.00 | maquis | chvt 8 |
| 16:14.08 | maquis | you have to be root, though |
| 16:14.12 | roscivs-w | levi: Turns out I hit [ with my right ring finger, not my pinky |
| 16:14.32 | roscivs-w | because 99% of the time when I hit that key, the next key coming up is enter |
| 16:14.43 | roscivs-w | (think left curly brace) |
| 16:14.53 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:14.57 | roscivs-w | weird, eh? |
| 16:15.03 | maquis | roscivs-w: you're not the only one with weird typing |
| 16:15.16 | roscivs-w | I never realized it until a thread a few years ago on the uug about remapping ctrl and so forth |
| 16:15.37 | levi | Thankfully I don't have to hit esc very much anymore. |
| 16:15.43 | roscivs-w | i also discovered that when I hit esc, my right hand moves over to cover the rest of the keyboard |
| 16:16.02 | maquis | i'm now shifting over to hitting y with my left hand at least when i'm doing capital because otherwise it rather hurts |
| 16:16.05 | roscivs-w | quite fascinating to see it happen. entirely subconscious. |
| 16:16.18 | maquis | you wouldn't have that problem if caps was esc |
| 16:16.23 | roscivs-w | yeah, those split-keyboards made me realize that my "y" usage is nearly 50/50 |
| 16:16.30 | maquis | :) |
| 16:16.33 | roscivs-w | maquis: it's not a problem, it's a habit, heh |
| 16:16.38 | maquis | :) |
| 16:16.47 | levi | I have pretty much standard touch typing. |
| 16:16.51 | roscivs-w | it turns out to work perfectly, which is why it was hard for me to switch to the ctrl-caps switch |
| 16:16.51 | levi | You're all freaks. |
| 16:16.54 | roscivs-w | lol |
| 16:17.18 | maquis | my problem is, when i'm in not in X, i have problems when trying to use vim |
| 16:17.18 | roscivs-w | it has some benefits though |
| 16:17.23 | roscivs-w | i can type really fast one-handed, for instance |
| 16:17.42 | roscivs-w | since my right hand is used to "covering" for my left hand reaching for the esc |
| 16:18.10 | roscivs-w | maquis: yeah, I use vi on so many different computers it'd be annoying to have to switch back and forth, too |
| 16:18.25 | maquis | yeah |
| 16:18.42 | levi | The remapped caps key gets me in trouble on other computers, too. |
| 16:18.44 | roscivs-w | i've tried it before but for some reason I can never get it to stick |
| 16:18.55 | levi | I try to avoid other people's computers, though. |
| 16:19.09 | roscivs-w | now, what annoys me is to switch esc to caps lock |
| 16:19.12 | roscivs-w | who needs caps lock? |
| 16:19.26 | maquis | roscivs-w: i've been trying to *not* do that, but it causes problems |
| 16:19.26 | roscivs-w | just map them both to esc (or to ctrl, depending on your preference). |
| 16:19.34 | maquis | i've been trying to make them boh esc |
| 16:19.40 | maquis | but for some reason, it breaks things |
| 16:19.45 | roscivs-w | that's the "right" way to do it in my opinion |
| 16:20.17 | roscivs-w | xorg-x11-tools ... who woulda thunk it. |
| 16:20.44 | levi | My laptop puts ctrl in a weird spot, so it was easier to get used to using caps for it than learning the new ctrl spot. |
| 16:20.55 | roscivs-w | ew, does it have that FN weirdness? |
| 16:20.58 | roscivs-w | I hate that key. |
| 16:21.01 | roscivs-w | *shudder* |
| 16:21.09 | roscivs-w | why didn't they put *that* key in the caps-lock place? |
| 16:22.07 | levi | Probably to make it easy for people who use fn to get number pad behavior for the right hand. |
| 16:28.35 | hans | levi: my only gripe with the apple laptop keyboard is that there's no fn over by the arrow keys |
| 16:28.44 | hans | so pgup/pgdn is a two-handed operation |
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| 16:29.02 | levi | hans: Yeah, that's annoying. |
| 16:29.06 | hans | i know, remap enter to fn, but that remaps both enters to fn and makes numlock worthless |
| 16:30.01 | levi | You use numlock? |
| 16:30.18 | hans | not often, but one important time I do is when playing flightgear |
| 16:30.24 | hans | enter is the right-rudder |
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| 16:31.13 | levi | You and your flight simulating. |
| 16:32.21 | roscivs-w | hm. So, anyone know how to map a two-key sequence to something else with xmodmap? |
| 16:32.53 | roscivs-w | xev tells me the two keys' (the modifier and the letter key) keycodes separately |
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| 16:36.20 | hans | actually come to think of it I haven't done flightgear on this laptop for some time. not enough ra |
| 16:36.23 | hans | m |
| 16:36.28 | hans | but now I can't find how to map enter to fn |
| 16:37.45 | levi | I don't know if you can in Tiger. |
| 16:38.21 | levi | Note that enter is handy if you want to select the default action in a dialog box. Return won't do that. |
| 16:39.36 | sjansen | You think the fn and caps keys are annoying? Try typing on a french canadian keyboard. |
| 16:39.59 | levi | I'd rather not, thanks. |
| 16:40.06 | sjansen | For starters, bar _should not_ be next to the space bar. |
| 16:40.49 | sjansen | Worse yet was the keyboard I used a couple weeks ago, not only was bar not there, enter was made bigger so that it was in the place pipe should have been. |
| 16:41.57 | levi | Why, pray tell, were you using a French Canadian keyboard? |
| 16:42.02 | roscivs-w | well, I've successfully turned caps lock into a modifier key, |
| 16:42.17 | roscivs-w | and using my window manager I can launch programs and all sorts of other stuff now with caps+someotherkey, |
| 16:42.31 | roscivs-w | but I still can't figure out how to get caps+someotherkey to map to an arrow key. |
| 16:43.27 | levi | Where do you use arrow keys? |
| 16:43.45 | roscivs-w | in any text widget that isn't vim |
| 16:44.02 | levi | You should be able to map them to emacs keys, at least. |
| 16:44.26 | roscivs-w | doesn't help me much unfortunately |
| 16:44.33 | roscivs-w | i already use emacs keys wherever available |
| 16:44.54 | roscivs-w | this is for widgets like the one I'm typing in now, or for the URL bar in my web browser, etc. |
| 16:45.38 | levi | If you use gtk/gnome stuff, you can change a setting that makes it use emacs keys in text boxes. |
| 16:45.57 | roscivs-w | how about qt? |
| 16:46.07 | roscivs-w | if I could change both of those I'd be set. |
| 16:46.08 | levi | KDE probably has a similar setting, but I haven't used it for a while. |
| 16:46.14 | roscivs-w | how do you do it in gtk? |
| 16:47.30 | levi | gtk_key_theme pref in /desktop/gnome/interface inside the Configuration Editor |
| 16:48.01 | roscivs-w | do any window managers allow you to map key sequences to other keys? |
| 16:48.11 | roscivs-w | how do I get into the Configuration Editor? |
| 16:48.14 | levi | There may be a way to add it to a gtkrc file or something, but I haven't needed to look into it. |
| 16:48.17 | roscivs-w | I don't see it in the control panel |
| 16:48.26 | levi | roscivs-w: Are you running Gnome? |
| 16:48.30 | roscivs-w | no, enlightenment |
| 16:50.19 | sjansen | levi: I was in canada, silly. |
| 16:51.02 | levi | roscivs-w: Add gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" to your ~/gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 16:51.37 | roscivs-w | heh, I just googled the same thing :) |
| 16:51.48 | roscivs-w | also it's gconf-editor, just for future reference |
| 16:51.54 | roscivs-w | (for the Configuration Editor) |
| 16:56.00 | roscivs-w | Ooh! That worked beautifully. Joyous emacs key bindings! |
| 16:56.09 | Bradipo | Anyone here know how to use netcat to send a UDP DNS query? :-) |
| 16:56.24 | levi | roscivs-w: That's one of the first things I do to a gnome install. :) |
| 16:56.41 | roscivs-w | Hmmmm... how do you select all now though? |
| 16:57.10 | levi | What do you want to select all for? |
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| 16:57.24 | roscivs-w | *shrug* I dunno. Just wondering. |
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| 16:58.10 | roscivs-w | I guess to select all and delete you could just ctrl-a ctrl-k, huh? |
| 16:58.24 | levi | Or ^u if you're at the end. |
| 16:58.26 | roscivs-w | what about to select all and copy? any nifty way to do that? |
| 16:58.56 | levi | Dunno about that one. |
| 16:59.15 | roscivs-w | oh well. the gain is greater than the loss. |
| 16:59.31 | levi | Cocoa text boxes do the right thing when you ^k, but apparently gtk2 ones don't. |
| 16:59.53 | roscivs-w | what do they do? (or not do, as the case may be) |
| 17:00.05 | levi | (right thing meaning ^k kills and lets you yank back with ^y) |
| 17:00.24 | roscivs-w | whoa, nope, that didn't work at all. |
| 17:00.37 | roscivs-w | lets me paste other stuff though ... hmm.... |
| 17:01.10 | roscivs-w | looks like it pastes the clipboard, not the selection buffer, unfortunately. |
| 17:01.40 | levi | Interestingly, the Cocoa kill/yank buffer is not the same as the cut/paste buffer. |
| 17:03.29 | roscivs-w | hmm. that's quite fascinating. |
| 17:04.01 | tensai | Error Type: Provider (0x8000FFFF) Catastrophic failure |
| 17:04.18 | levi | Woo, Catastrophic Failures! |
| 17:04.30 | tensai | leave it to Microsoft to give useful error messages |
| 17:04.41 | tensai | I hope the server isn't melting down now |
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| 17:50.57 | levi | What's special about benford? |
| 17:51.53 | goozbach | I want to talk someone at Xmission to donating bandwidth for a freenode leaf |
| 17:52.05 | goozbach | I'd donate hardware |
| 17:52.24 | sjansen | every time I get assigned to benford, xchat just hangs |
| 17:53.28 | sjansen | In some of my past classes, I've managed to talk for two hours straight without talking. |
| 17:54.11 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.21 | sjansen | s/without talking/without stopping talking/ |
| 17:54.47 | goozbach | sjansen: yeah the RH033 needs some ramble time |
| 18:00.27 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.32 | goozbach | heh |
| 18:02.42 | sjansen | http://osnews.com/ <-- /me laughs at yet another php + mysql error message |
| 18:02.45 | goozbach | I usually combine both vim labs |
| 18:05.24 | sjansen | oof |
| 18:05.37 | sjansen | that's alot of vim |
| 18:08.45 | hans | i ran through the emacs tutorial yesterday |
| 18:08.48 | hans | or was it the day before |
| 18:09.13 | hans | the intent being that I will probably do some nyquist, which is a lisp variant |
| 18:09.44 | hans | but I was dissapointed that I can't seem to find a way to evaluate nyquist in emacs itself, which kind of kills its usefulness (I can write lisp well enough in vim) |
| 18:11.19 | hans | i have to say, c-v and m-v for paging makes about as much sense as an illiteracy billboard |
| 18:11.53 | hans | i had to chuckle about the frequent pot shots at c-s being eaten by terminals. were not the terminals there first? |
| 18:13.26 | sjansen | well... emacs is pretty old |
| 18:18.53 | hans | yes, but isn't the terminal older? I suppose emacs could be older than the c-s usage, but I thought that was a pretty ancient one |
| 18:30.28 | graphyx | What are all these labs about? |
| 18:33.48 | tensai | I assume the vim lab is about vim |
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| 18:43.00 | goozbach | sjansen is teaching a class, and intro to linux class, and there are two different chapters on vim |
| 18:43.12 | goozbach | with their included classroom labs |
| 18:45.49 | levi | hans: Well, v looks kind of like a downward arrow. |
| 18:49.20 | levi | hans: Plus, with a lisp syntax, you could use paredit.el |
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| 18:51.08 | levi | Whoa, Nyquist is based on XLISP. |
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| 19:00.37 | vontrapp | ~fry hans |
| 19:00.38 | ibot | ACTION grabs hans and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
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| 19:05.39 | levi | hans: You may be able to get ilisp to work with Nyquist. |
| 19:17.24 | vontrapp | how come just about every blog rss feed doesn't preserver the newlines in a <pre> tag? |
| 19:17.34 | vontrapp | s/preserver/preserve/ |
| 19:18.14 | vontrapp | so, the pre tag is there, but the newlines are not, so the no-newlines are preserved and it all just runs on and on in a long line |
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| 19:29.31 | mrpull- | vontrapp... it is a conspiracy to get you to stop using RSS and go to their site and see their advertisements |
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| 19:49.45 | vontrapp | man, phantom sure is having a hard time |
| 19:50.08 | vontrapp | that is, if the uug website is still on phantom |
| 20:04.48 | hans | vontrapp: it's a bug in the reader, from what I can tell |
| 20:04.52 | hans | you use sage right? |
| 20:05.04 | hans | when I switched to safari, <pre> blocks worked great |
| 20:05.14 | hans | probably a CSS thing |
| 20:06.00 | hans | levi: i wouldn't know where to start for that sort of thing, but if you happen to figure it out let me know |
| 20:06.05 | hans | yes, it is a superset of xlisp |
| 20:06.55 | levi | hans: You can also just do run-lisp |
| 20:07.02 | vontrapp | hans: i remember getting the raw feed and checking it for newlines once, there were none. i only did that with bloxom though |
| 20:08.57 | levi | hans: See the last message in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_frm/thread/5ea7179ae8452ff7/2edd1ce9e3f2ae74?lnk=st&q=nyquist+emacs&rnum=3#2edd1ce9e3f2ae74 |
| 20:09.33 | hans | well, when I look at my blog rss in safari, newlines are there (not looking at the raw source) |
| 20:10.19 | hans | run-lisp, not familiar with it, but wouldn't that start a new instance of the interpreter every time? the big idea is that definitions hang around |
| 20:10.31 | levi | hans: This might be helpful, too: http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/windows.html (it's not really windows-specific) |
| 20:10.41 | vontrapp | in that case, |
| 20:10.43 | vontrapp | ~lart sage |
| 20:10.55 | levi | hans: You run it once, and it opens a REPL in a new buffer. |
| 20:11.42 | hans | good. that looks perfect, I'll give it a try |
| 20:12.37 | levi | http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/emacs/emacs_331.html |
| 20:12.48 | hans | do I want the cl-friendly indentation? |
| 20:13.00 | levi | Yes. |
| 20:13.39 | levi | xlisp is a subset of pre-ANSI CL, I believe, with a different object model than CL went with. |
| 20:15.22 | maquis | vontrapp: phantom is having a hard time? |
| 20:15.24 | maquis | that's not good |
| 20:15.44 | maquis | vontrapp: you going to come visit the booth? |
| 20:16.10 | levi | hans: Also, C-M-q is your friend. It's bound to indent-sexp. |
| 20:16.41 | levi | hans: C-M-k kills a sexp, which is also very useful. |
| 20:17.00 | hans | sexp? |
| 20:17.21 | hans | goozbach: I still say bogofilter |
| 20:17.31 | hans | although I need to give spamassasin another look |
| 20:17.44 | lukfugl | goozbach: why do you want to spam asians? |
| 20:18.08 | hans | no, he wants to spam as sian |
| 20:18.16 | lukfugl | who's sian? |
| 20:18.22 | hans | the guy he wants to spam as |
| 20:18.44 | lukfugl | hans: well, duh... but what's he got against sian such that he's trying to frame him? |
| 20:19.44 | hans | levi: ok, I've added that stuff to ~/.emacs. next time I fiddle with nyquist I'll pick your brain |
| 20:20.35 | hans | what are these things? kangaroo-slug hybrids? |
| 20:20.37 | hans | http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html |
| 20:21.48 | lukfugl | goodness, their hideous |
| 20:24.42 | goozbach | he kicked my dog |
| 20:24.49 | goozbach | sian must die |
| 20:25.16 | hans | ~kick goozbach's do |
| 20:25.17 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
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| 20:25.33 | goozbach | hans: I could care less about my do |
| 20:25.46 | hans | do, a der a female der |
| 20:25.51 | goozbach | now if you were to kick my dog... |
| 20:25.52 | sjansen | how much less? |
| 20:26.05 | goozbach | then I'd want to spam as hans |
| 20:26.18 | goozbach | and I'd have to install spamashans |
| 20:26.24 | lukfugl | what do you call a deer with no i's? |
| 20:26.30 | hans | and it all comes back to people whose names sound like sean |
| 20:26.34 | lukfugl | hmm, doesn't work so well in text ;) |
| 20:26.35 | hans | spam-a-shans |
| 20:26.56 | vontrapp | maquis: not today, but i signed up for tomorrow and friday |
| 20:27.04 | maquis | vontrapp: cool |
| 20:27.04 | vontrapp | phantom seems to be backon it's feet now |
| 20:27.20 | graphyx | You guys doing a linux fest booth in the CS building today? |
| 20:27.28 | maquis | nobody else here at the moment, so i'm a bit bored |
| 20:27.34 | maquis | graphyx: yes... booth in the talmage |
| 20:27.42 | graphyx | hence your need to be on IRC. |
| 20:27.49 | maquis | graphyx: yes |
| 20:27.53 | graphyx | You should put that as one of the benefits of being part of plug. |
| 20:28.02 | graphyx | The idle prattle the help the day go by quicker. |
| 20:28.11 | maquis | ah |
| 20:28.29 | graphyx | The the immediate help of typing our your problem |
| 20:28.37 | graphyx | So you can get a better handle on what the problem really is. |
| 20:28.48 | graphyx | And the possibility that someone might even care enough to answer. |
| 20:29.03 | maquis | the booth wouldn't be nearly as boring if there were other people here |
| 20:29.09 | vontrapp | graphyx: you have a typing problem? |
| 20:29.19 | graphyx | vontrapp: nope. |
| 20:29.22 | maquis | (read: it won't be boring if people would sign up) |
| 20:29.34 | hans | maquis: start using force |
| 20:29.35 | graphyx | maquis: well it depends on who else is there. |
| 20:29.56 | graphyx | ~ibot bruteforce is If brute force isn't working you aren't using enough of it. |
| 20:29.58 | ibot | okay, graphyx |
| 20:29.58 | maquis | hans: i could get goo to beat people up, i suppose |
| 20:30.03 | graphyx | ~bruteforce |
| 20:30.04 | ibot | from memory, bruteforce is If brute force isn't working you aren't using enough of it. |
| 20:30.19 | graphyx | hmm. that didn't work like I thought it should |
| 20:30.22 | graphyx | What did I do wrong? |
| 20:30.35 | maquis | ibot: no, bruteforce is <reply> if brute force isn't working you aren't using enough |
| 20:30.36 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 20:30.44 | graphyx | ~bruteforce |
| 20:30.45 | ibot | if brute force isn't working you aren't using enough |
| 20:30.45 | maquis | ~brueteforce |
| 20:31.12 | lukfugl | ~xml |
| 20:31.14 | ibot | i guess xml is eXtensible Markup Language |
| 20:31.14 | graphyx | Thanks maquis |
| 20:31.24 | maquis | graphyx: no problem |
| 20:31.39 | maquis | ~struts |
| 20:31.40 | ibot | methinks struts is at http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/index.html |
| 20:31.46 | sjansen | ~funkybomb graphyx |
| 20:31.47 | ibot | ACTION blows away graphyx in a psychedelic flash |
| 20:31.48 | lukfugl | ibot: no, xml is <reply> XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it |
| 20:31.50 | ibot | okay, lukfugl |
| 20:31.57 | lukfugl | ~xml |
| 20:31.58 | ibot | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it |
| 20:32.06 | maquis | ibot no, struts is a hideously painful way to write a web application |
| 20:32.08 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 20:32.30 | maquis | ~struts |
| 20:32.32 | ibot | from memory, struts is a hideously painful way to write a web application |
| 20:32.32 | graphyx | ~stsruts |
| 20:33.10 | sjansen | ibot, no struts is a form of torture pretending to be a Web application framework |
| 20:33.12 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 20:33.15 | sjansen | ~struts |
| 20:33.16 | ibot | struts is probably a form of torture pretending to be a Web application framework |
| 20:33.29 | sjansen | no probably about it |
| 20:33.30 | maquis | sjansen: that's another way to put it |
| 20:33.33 | lukfugl | heh |
| 20:34.39 | graphyx | late classes is yuck. |
| 20:34.44 | graphyx | unless it is only 1 day. |
| 20:34.46 | graphyx | Then it is not too bad. |
| 20:34.52 | maquis | graphyx: it is only 1 day/week |
| 20:35.01 | maquis | although i have another one on mondays |
| 20:35.24 | levi | maquis: Had any more CS330 classes? |
| 20:36.42 | hans | ~bruteforce is <reply>If it isn't working, you're not using enough XML. |
| 20:36.45 | ibot | ...but bruteforce is already something else... |
| 20:36.54 | hans | ~no, bruteforce is <reply>If it isn't working, you're not using enough XML. |
| 20:37.06 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:37.30 | graphyx | ibot: don't listen to him. He doesn't really know what he is talking about. That's my quote!!! |
| 20:37.31 | ibot | graphyx: that's too long |
| 20:37.45 | graphyx | Teacher, hans is mutating my quotes!! |
| 20:37.54 | sjansen | ibot, brootforce is when hans turns green, gets all ripped with muscles, and starts throwing around cars |
| 20:37.55 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 20:38.11 | Supaplex | broot? hah |
| 20:38.34 | maquis | levi: had it this morning |
| 20:38.35 | lukfugl | ibot: no, brootforce is when sjansen turns green, gets all ripped with muscles, and starts stuffing XML in everyone's ear |
| 20:38.36 | ibot | okay, lukfugl |
| 20:38.46 | maquis | i was trying to figure out why the osX sss cd wasn't working |
| 20:38.48 | lukfugl | ~brootforce |
| 20:38.49 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, brootforce is when sjansen turns green, gets all ripped with muscles, and starts stuffing XML in everyone's ear |
| 20:39.13 | graphyx | does that mean these guys are on the broot squad? |
| 20:39.32 | levi | maquis: What did you talk about in class? |
| 20:39.40 | graphyx | hey new boy friend. |
| 20:39.45 | graphyx | oh you mean the class.... |
| 20:39.46 | graphyx | j/k |
| 20:39.57 | maquis | levi: ummm... |
| 20:39.59 | maquis | lists? |
| 20:40.39 | maquis | ~lart graphyx |
| 20:41.04 | hans | ~cookie |
| 20:41.05 | levi | maquis: That's it? |
| 20:41.29 | maquis | levi: i was working on figuring out why the osX sss cd waasn't mounting |
| 20:41.47 | maquis | (ie, i was paying minimal attention |
| 20:41.52 | maquis | ) |
| 20:41.54 | levi | maquis: In class? |
| 20:41.56 | levi | Tsk. |
| 20:41.58 | graphyx | I didn't know that the playdough would crack when hit with a hammer... |
| 20:42.00 | graphyx | wow. |
| 20:42.03 | graphyx | That's cool. |
| 20:42.04 | maquis | levi: of course |
| 20:42.10 | maquis | graphyx: yes... it does |
| 20:42.20 | levi | maquis: That could be hazardous to your grade in that class. |
| 20:42.22 | maquis | sjansen: was that 404? |
| 20:42.24 | graphyx | what class? |
| 20:42.25 | sjansen | and almost failed a couple others |
| 20:42.28 | hans | not playdough, ooblick |
| 20:42.39 | maquis | levi: yes.. i know, but i had to get stuff working |
| 20:42.41 | graphyx | was it 380? |
| 20:42.48 | hans | i bet it was physics 222 |
| 20:43.01 | sjansen | no, I just quit physics |
| 20:43.08 | sjansen | it was actually 236, IIRC |
| 20:43.22 | graphyx | I think I had that class with you. |
| 20:43.23 | sjansen | although I can't be sure anymore |
| 20:43.50 | vontrapp | sjansen: really? i'm retaking 236 because i completely neglected the homework |
| 20:43.54 | maquis | anyway, i need to pack up the booth now |
| 20:43.57 | sjansen | Because I'm gradiated and it doesn't matter anymore!!! |
| 20:44.03 | vontrapp | and the homework turned out to be worth too much |
| 20:44.17 | graphyx | sjansen: Believe me there are more people than yourself that are glad that you graduated. |
| 20:44.55 | graphyx | gradiated.. That's rich. |
| 20:45.00 | levi | Tsk, bunch of slackers! ;) |
| 20:45.33 | sjansen | you prefer gradjumniated? |
| 20:45.56 | levi | sjansen: I wasn't commenting on your word choice. |
| 20:45.58 | lukfugl | ~sing |
| 20:46.00 | ibot | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
| 20:46.22 | graphyx | The only night fever after having kids is the one keeping your kids awake. |
| 20:46.49 | sjansen | Having completed my first degree, I see it as my responsiblity to never spell gradiated correctly. |
| 20:46.50 | vontrapp | is it common for the OIT rental computers to have evil virii that suck all your bandwidth? |
| 20:47.03 | levi | I was calling all these people who aren't paying attention in class, aren't doing homework, and are thus flunking classes slackers. I'd /never/ do anything like that! ;) |
| 20:47.05 | lukfugl | vontrapp: it's OIT |
| 20:47.32 | graphyx | Hey, you guys are contemplating taking off the key loggers I put on there are you? |
| 20:47.38 | vontrapp | didn't flunk the class, just got a lower grade than i would have liked |
| 20:47.38 | graphyx | I haven't gotten a good route y login yet. |
| 20:48.28 | vontrapp | how do you think OIT would take my installing ubuntu on a rental? |
| 20:48.59 | graphyx | ever since they removed the sniff the packet over wireless and get the authentication cookie to be able to login to route y vulnerability I haven't had much fun. |
| 20:49.07 | graphyx | actually I didn't ever exploit that one. |
| 20:49.17 | graphyx | Just a friend and I played with it to see if it was still an issue. |
| 20:49.45 | goozbach | "we were playing that marco-polo game... so we both had our eyes closed" |
| 20:50.06 | graphyx | goozbach: Would that be a two headed cyclops speaking? |
| 20:50.29 | graphyx | wait that would be so we had both our eyes closed. |
| 20:51.27 | goozbach | graphyx: no, it's a quote from the strangerhood |
| 20:51.29 | graphyx | ok |
| 20:51.32 | goozbach | wade to be exact |
| 20:53.34 | sjansen | levi: As I remember it, you were a paragon of studious behavior while you were at BYU. |
| 20:53.57 | vontrapp | ~dict paragon |
| 20:54.28 | hans | wow, neat word |
| 20:54.47 | graphyx | ~dict dictionary |
| 20:54.56 | bonez41 | paragon not to be confused with Paramour |
| 20:55.01 | bonez41 | ~dict paramour |
| 20:55.12 | sjansen | Well, my last student just left. Now to find the energy to go find someplace nice to eat. |
| 20:55.22 | bonez41 | sjansen, what do you teach? |
| 20:55.27 | sjansen | linux |
| 20:55.29 | hans | gurudum |
| 20:55.44 | graphyx | sjansen: I find it hard to find a good place to eat. |
| 20:55.51 | graphyx | But the food at those places tends to be ok. |
| 20:56.08 | graphyx | It's rough. The countertop gets stuck in my teeth. |
| 20:56.33 | goozbach | graphyx: you haven't been to the 'onion house' then... |
| 20:56.45 | graphyx | They have edible counter tops? |
| 20:57.03 | goozbach | even better, they don't have countertops at all |
| 20:57.19 | vontrapp | i hate when those plastic strip things along the edge of the countertop cut the roof of my mouth |
| 21:06.04 | vontrapp | argh, i hate when i ask a simple yes no question and i have to wait for a novel-length response |
| 21:06.40 | hans | vontrapp: like "would you like fries with that?" |
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| 21:09.33 | goozbach | hmm... fries are made from patatoes... which is a tuber.. tubers are roots... |
| 21:09.44 | goozbach | which means they grow underground... |
| 21:10.01 | goozbach | dirt is always on things that come from underground... |
| 21:10.10 | goozbach | and I don't like eating dirt... |
| 21:10.19 | goozbach | so, no, I'll pass on the fries |
| 21:10.26 | tensai | so clearly you cannot trust the fries placed in front of you |
| 21:12.09 | goozbach | no, fries are a clearly untrustworth source of starches and carbs. |
| 21:12.33 | goozbach | I'll take a baked patato however. |
| 21:12.48 | vontrapp | the oil they are cooked in is especially untrustworthy |
| 21:16.25 | tensai | mmmmmm |
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| 21:24.59 | vontrapp | dataw0lf, goozbach, i'll have your fries |
| 21:25.17 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 21:25.19 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 21:25.25 | dataw0lf | I'm not culpable. |
| 21:25.33 | vontrapp | ~chase dataw0lf |
| 21:25.36 | ibot | ACTION chases dataw0lf |
| 21:25.41 | dataw0lf | aiiiiiiiiiieeee |
| 21:25.53 | vontrapp | what a boring chase |
| 21:26.03 | vontrapp | ~catch dataw0lf |
| 21:26.19 | vontrapp | ~apprehend dataw0lf |
| 21:26.32 | vontrapp | ~stupid bot |
| 21:26.33 | ibot | no, stupid vontrapp |
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| 21:33.14 | graphyx | ~shoot dataw0lf |
| 21:33.16 | ibot | ACTION shoots dataw0lf in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 21:34.30 | dataw0lf | ZOMBIE LAWYER MUHAHA! |
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| 21:35.36 | graphyx | So when a vegetarian comes back from the grave do they take the form of an zombie that roams the streets with its arms out moaning , "GRAINSS!!, I WANT TO SUCK YOUR GRAINS!!!" |
| 21:35.37 | graphyx | ? |
| 21:46.37 | goozbach | on the 'groan-o-meter' that registered a 4.3 |
| 21:48.53 | shadoi | 4.3 out of 10 or 5? I'd go with the 5 scale. |
| 21:51.38 | goozbach | its a scale of 7 |
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| 21:55.44 | mrpull- | don't forget the groan-o-meter is logarithmic |
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| 22:06.38 | sjansen-treo | homemade farofa! |
| 22:13.22 | sjansen-treo | gee, the channel sure is quiet |
| 22:13.44 | sjansen-treo | everyone must be jealous because I'm at a churrascaria |
| 22:18.07 | sjansen-treo | bah |
| 22:18.28 | goozbach | yup we be jealous |
| 22:18.30 | sjansen-treo | guess I'll just enjoy my mandioca frita alone |
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| 22:19.37 | tensai | vontrapp: try harder |
| 22:19.42 | vontrapp | d'oh! |
| 22:20.34 | goozbach | at least he didn't see that first coment |
| 22:20.41 | vontrapp | :) |
| 22:22.18 | mrpull- | ipod nano? looks pretty hot. |
| 22:27.00 | sjansen-treo | salt, beef, and carbon |
| 22:27.00 | sjansen-treo | yum |
| 22:27.10 | mrpull- | apple's site is fairly broken with Firefox today |
| 22:27.19 | mrpull- | at least the copy i'm using |
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| 22:27.53 | hans | your copy of apple's site? |
| 22:30.01 | vontrapp | why would you want a copy of apple's site sitting around cluttering up your drive? |
| 22:30.05 | fungus | If you want very very small go for http://www.mobibluamerica.com/dah1500.html |
| 22:30.15 | mrpull- | hans: yup. I download a new copy of each page each time I visit it ;) |
| 22:30.28 | hans | how about very very cheap. I want a very very cheap ogg player |
| 22:30.33 | hans | mp3 would be nice too |
| 22:30.37 | mrpull- | my wife has a shuffle |
| 22:30.39 | fozzmoo | I love iRiver! |
| 22:30.41 | mrpull- | it is pretty good. |
| 22:30.42 | fozzmoo | Have I mentioend that? |
| 22:30.56 | mrpull- | she realized the other day that she hasn't recharged it since she got it in May |
| 22:31.12 | mrpull- | she uses it several times a week for about an hour each time |
| 22:31.22 | mrpull- | i don't know how the darn thing still has juice |
| 22:32.06 | sjansen-treo | power elves |
| 22:32.30 | mrpull- | power elves could be it |
| 22:33.10 | hans | and foxes |
| 22:33.26 | vontrapp | what the heck? (Name server: 209.90.95.226: host |
| 22:33.28 | vontrapp | +not found) |
| 22:33.36 | hans | ~nslookup vontrapp.com |
| 22:34.01 | sjansen-treo | chunky bacon |
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| 22:37.20 | sjansen-treo | oi |
| 22:37.32 | hans | io |
| 22:37.46 | sjansen-treo | I must have eaten more rice than I thought. |
| 22:38.02 | mrpull- | speaking of chunky bacon... I got my Python book today :) |
| 22:38.44 | vontrapp | io('rice') >> io('stomach') |
| 22:39.36 | sjansen-treo | lua? |
| 22:41.51 | vontrapp | my dream player... records voice in speex, and maybe other record encodings, plays ogg, acts like a stinkin usb drive, has something like imms, lasts a good long time between charges, at least when only on play back, 1/8" stereo jack, holds at least 1GB, much more would be nice, costs under $150 |
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| 22:43.32 | vontrapp | not a long contemplation |
| 22:45.00 | hans | he's been real quick lately |
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