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| 00:25.52 | levi | Grr, this new guy keeps asking questions instead of looking things up. |
| 00:34.40 | tensai | levi: start giving him wrong answers. read Calvin & Hobbes for suggestions. |
| 00:43.01 | goozbach | just like that I'm running XFCE-4.2.0 |
| 00:43.05 | goozbach | woot |
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| 00:49.05 | Maquis | levi: see if he knows how to google... |
| 00:49.08 | Maquis | some people really don't... |
| 00:49.15 | Maquis | and teach him how to find the answers |
| 00:55.54 | levi | Maquis: He knows, he's just being lazy. |
| 00:56.01 | levi | mheath: Haven't seen you around in a while. |
| 00:56.16 | mheath | levi, I've been abstaining from IRC lately |
| 00:56.24 | mheath | To try and get some school related work finished |
| 00:56.45 | levi | Good plan. |
| 00:57.34 | mheath | Just started an internship today.. |
| 00:58.35 | mheath | "Superior Computers" in Ogden |
| 01:00.21 | levi | Cool. What sort of work? |
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| 01:00.41 | mheath | Computer repair, upgrades, retailing |
| 01:02.20 | levi | Is this a paid internship? |
| 01:02.52 | mheath | No, but its work release from school. Basically the same as a class, so I don't mind that its not paid. |
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| 01:05.19 | levi | Huh. Sounds like a waste of time to me, unless he wants a job fixing or selling computers. |
| 01:05.38 | levi | Guess it'd be a better teenage job than flipping burgers, though. |
| 01:06.05 | levi | In my senior year, I just took a 'study hall' class and read in the library. |
| 01:06.59 | levi | But then mheath never did make much sense to me. |
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| 01:41.45 | findlay | sjansen: so have you decided where to live? |
| 01:45.24 | Maquis | levi: then you really need to just tell him that he should look on his own before coming to you for help |
| 01:45.48 | Maquis | or just make him feel stupid some time fo asking a stupid question that he could've answered on his own... |
| 01:46.07 | levi | Well, he's gone home now, so I don't have to do anything at the moment. :) |
| 01:46.16 | Maquis | pull up google, and show him how his answer is on the first page |
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| 01:54.01 | sjansen | findlay: I haven't. |
| 01:56.46 | findlay | has my cousin got back to you? |
| 02:05.28 | sjansen | I haven't contacted him yet. |
| 02:05.51 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 02:06.47 | findlay | ha |
| 02:06.59 | findlay | brigham's loafing off again |
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| 02:07.25 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 02:09.01 | findlay | why not fluxbox pellets? |
| 02:09.17 | findlay | or TWM pellets? |
| 02:09.36 | Maquis | or evilwm pellets:) |
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| 02:24.39 | findlay | how's this for frustration at a rogue process gotten loose: |
| 02:24.41 | findlay | yes killall -9 root.exe | bash |
| 02:24.46 | findlay | (: |
| 02:33.21 | tensai | mmmmm. steak and baked potato. |
| 02:34.37 | sjansen | Hmmm, IE bug hunting.... Oh, wait, |
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| 03:40.32 | findlay | ~lart manti telephone |
| 03:40.38 | findlay | |lart manti telephone |
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| 04:08.10 | INFERNAL | hello |
| 04:09.04 | Hhhhh | anyone from the UUG on? |
| 04:09.12 | Hhhhh | the BYU UUG |
| 04:11.59 | tensai | on? yes. awake? apparently not. |
| 04:13.07 | Hhhhh | lol, it's 9:15 PM in Utah atm |
| 04:13.13 | Hhhhh | I doubt these guys are sleeping |
| 04:13.27 | LeviHome | Connected, yes. At the computer, apparently not. |
| 04:13.41 | LeviHome | Woo, I get to buy a new (used) digital camera. |
| 04:14.03 | misterpull | why used? |
| 04:15.23 | Hhhhh | you guys from the BYU UUG? |
| 04:16.05 | tensai | findlay: you're the classical music nut, right? |
| 04:16.22 | misterpull | Hhhhh...not everyone |
| 04:18.10 | findlay | I guess |
| 04:18.11 | Maquis | Hhhhh: ??? |
| 04:18.19 | findlay | Maquis: ??? |
| 04:18.23 | misterpull | clever nick name if you ask me. |
| 04:18.34 | Maquis | Hhhhh: i'm from uug... what do you want? |
| 04:18.39 | tensai | findlay: can you tell me what baroque refers to? |
| 04:18.43 | Hhhhh | oh, just wondering, lol |
| 04:18.55 | Hhhhh | i'm some sort of a less-active UUG member |
| 04:18.57 | findlay | basically it means asymmetrical |
| 04:18.58 | Maquis | ummm.. ok... |
| 04:19.00 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:19.08 | Maquis | we sure have a lot of those |
| 04:19.09 | findlay | um |
| 04:19.30 | Maquis | mailing list (non-newbies only) lists 311 people... |
| 04:19.48 | misterpull | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque#Examples_of_typical_Baroque_music |
| 04:20.01 | Maquis | if we got all those people to show up at meetins, we'd have some problems finding a room... |
| 04:20.20 | findlay | baroque grew out of the age of renissance, which in musical terms, I guess was highly symmetric, because they believed symmetry was aesthetic |
| 04:21.17 | Hhhhh | well, all the times there has been an interesting topic at the UUG I couldn't go, and when i can go I'm not interested on the topics |
| 04:21.18 | findlay | and out of baroque grew rococo, which was briefer than the baroque period before and the classical period after and was characterized by very rich ornamentation and detail |
| 04:21.25 | Hhhhh | too much network stuff |
| 04:22.02 | findlay | which had some simmilar expression in architecture as well, I believe |
| 04:22.19 | tensai | I'm listening to music labeled as Baroque and I was just curious what that really meant |
| 04:23.05 | findlay | you've got Italian baroque, German baroque, French baroque, and English baroque |
| 04:23.05 | tensai | seems nice whatever it is |
| 04:23.11 | findlay | theypre all quite different |
| 04:23.19 | findlay | they're |
| 04:23.42 | tensai | ok. maybe I'll just listen to it and pretend it's all just "music" |
| 04:24.30 | tensai | btw, Magnatune *rocks*. They're not evil, you know. |
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| 04:24.51 | Maquis | magnatune? |
| 04:25.22 | findlay | although Sir Thomas Beecham said of Handel that he wrote Italian music better than any Italian composer of his day, English music better than any English composer, French music better than any French composer, and German music better than any German composer with the exception of JS Bach, |
| 04:25.35 | vontrapp_ | Hhhhh: great nick :) |
| 04:25.54 | Hhhhh | thanks |
| 04:26.04 | Hhhhh | it's my Uneral Tournament player name |
| 04:26.09 | Hhhhh | Unreal i mean |
| 04:26.14 | misterpull | Urinal Tournament? |
| 04:26.21 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:26.21 | tensai | Maquis: magnatune.com. An online record label. their tag line is "We are not evil" |
| 04:26.26 | frustrated | |lart misterpull |
| 04:26.34 | vontrapp_ | it is what i think, right? from napolean? |
| 04:26.36 | misterpull | that sound's like a player mod that is begging to be made... |
| 04:26.48 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:26.51 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 04:26.59 | tensai | frustrated: music is available as wav, flac, ogg, mp3, aac. no strings attached. name your price (from $5 to $18 for albums) |
| 04:27.31 | tensai | preview all the full length songs before you buy. they even have an icecast server. |
| 04:27.38 | Hhhhh | cs345? |
| 04:27.43 | Hhhhh | man, that class was a blast |
| 04:27.52 | Hhhhh | it's a lot better during the summer though |
| 04:27.55 | Hhhhh | less busy work |
| 04:28.05 | frustrated | Hhhhh: i'm sure it's a blast, but right now, i'm having some stupid bugs |
| 04:28.15 | Hhhhh | what lab is that? |
| 04:28.19 | Hhhhh | FAT? |
| 04:28.37 | frustrated | distributed mutual exclusion |
| 04:28.39 | frustrated | the bank lab |
| 04:28.42 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 04:28.55 | Hhhhh | we had an easier version of it last summer |
| 04:29.02 | frustrated | Hhhhh: what cs class[es] are you in? |
| 04:29.06 | Hhhhh | we did the barbershop |
| 04:29.13 | Hhhhh | CS557, CS655 |
| 04:29.27 | frustrated | we did mutual exclusion last project --- dining philosophers.... |
| 04:29.45 | Hhhhh | CS 557 = Computer Aided Geometric Design |
| 04:29.54 | Hhhhh | CS 655 = Advanced Computer Graphics |
| 04:30.00 | frustrated | ah... |
| 04:30.04 | Hhhhh | they're the best classes ever man |
| 04:30.15 | frustrated | so, are you a grad student then? |
| 04:30.19 | Hhhhh | lots of work but they're awesome |
| 04:30.38 | Hhhhh | nope...I simply did not like the 400-level classes, and decided to take grad classes instead |
| 04:30.47 | findlay | no computer aided topology? |
| 04:30.59 | Hhhhh | topology, as in terrain? |
| 04:31.02 | frustrated | i thought some of them had to be 400-level... but maybe i was wrong... |
| 04:31.19 | Hhhhh | well, you're supposed to take 4 400-level and one 400 or 500 level |
| 04:31.30 | Hhhhh | but if you have friends in high places, you can do as you please :) |
| 04:31.34 | frustrated | ah... |
| 04:31.54 | Hhhhh | i was just simply not interested in networks and DBs |
| 04:32.12 | Hhhhh | boring |
| 04:32.31 | findlay | Topological spaces are structures that allow one to formalize concepts such as convergence, connectedness and continuity. |
| 04:32.35 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_space |
| 04:33.55 | Hhhhh | hmm, this looks like set theory and liner algebra |
| 04:34.02 | Hhhhh | never played with it though |
| 04:34.03 | findlay | bigger than that |
| 04:34.13 | vontrapp | ~lart linear algebra |
| 04:34.57 | vontrapp | Hhhhh: so does the topic tomorrow pique your interest? |
| 04:35.44 | vontrapp | it does mine, i'll be going tomorrow if my car isn't non-fixed for another day |
| 04:35.45 | Hhhhh | not especially, it's cool though |
| 04:35.53 | frustrated | but then again, i don't like graphics... |
| 04:36.03 | Hhhhh | networking is ok |
| 04:36.15 | Hhhhh | it's just that graphics interests me a lot more |
| 04:36.49 | Hhhhh | i've done just a teeny-tiny little bit of socket programming in C++ and Java |
| 04:36.53 | Hhhhh | and it was ok |
| 04:36.57 | frustrated | meh... to each their own... |
| 04:37.07 | Hhhhh | but i prefer to use my time learning graphics |
| 04:37.09 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 04:37.20 | vontrapp | well, it's been fun yo, but von is sick and tired and needs lots of rest |
| 04:38.03 | Hhhhh | maquis, what other classes are you taking besides 345? |
| 04:38.17 | findlay | ~lart frustrated |
| 04:38.21 | Maquis | 404, and a couple non-cs classes... |
| 04:38.24 | Maquis | findlay: you missed |
| 04:38.28 | Hhhhh | 404 is cool |
| 04:38.38 | findlay | I know, you gave a 404 |
| 04:38.44 | Hhhhh | that's smart, 345 takes lots of time, it's nicer to take it by itself |
| 04:38.57 | Hhhhh | really? |
| 04:39.07 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 04:39.09 | Hhhhh | who are you taking it from? |
| 04:39.29 | Maquis | umm... what's nis name.... |
| 04:39.37 | Hhhhh | Knutson? |
| 04:39.40 | Maquis | yeah |
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| 04:40.00 | Hhhhh | We didn't have to do that much, just read the articles |
| 04:40.04 | Hhhhh | hey andrew |
| 04:40.13 | Maquis | amcnabb: hi :) |
| 04:40.27 | amcnabb | hi |
| 04:41.05 | Hhhhh | Maquis: dis you like the books for that class? |
| 04:41.12 | Hhhhh | engines of the mind |
| 04:41.32 | Maquis | no |
| 04:41.45 | Maquis | from what i've heard, the other one's pretty good... |
| 04:41.54 | Hhhhh | cuckoo's egg? |
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| 04:47.29 | Hhhhh | lol, multiply logins? |
| 04:47.45 | findlay | we've been flooded with amcnabbs |
| 04:47.53 | Hhhhh | the McNabb dynasty |
| 04:47.57 | Hhhhh | just like the UUG |
| 04:48.53 | amcnabb | Sorry about that. |
| 04:48.58 | amcnabb | Messed up my xbindkeys. |
| 04:48.59 | Hhhhh | j/k |
| 04:49.07 | findlay | (: |
| 04:49.35 | findlay | what desktop do you run these days amcnabb ? |
| 04:50.22 | amcnabb | Right now I'm jumping back and forth between Aqua and EvilWM. |
| 04:51.02 | amcnabb | I'm still getting some of the kinks worked out. |
| 05:01.56 | tensai | only 5 more hours and I have to wake up. who's gonna be awake to help me upgrade LDAP? |
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| 05:17.53 | LeviHome | misterpull: Used because it's cheaper. |
| 05:20.44 | misterpull | highend camera? |
| 05:21.31 | LeviHome | Not really high, but higher. |
| 05:21.54 | LeviHome | Fuji FinePix S5000. |
| 05:22.19 | misterpull | 5MP? |
| 05:23.00 | misterpull | nm... just looked at froogle |
| 05:23.41 | findlay | CCD? |
| 05:23.41 | brigham | cd player designed for use on linux systems.. URL: http://themes.org/~suprax/ccd-0.01.tar.gz |
| 05:23.49 | findlay | (: |
| 05:24.49 | LeviHome | I'm not a serious photographer, but my current camera died. |
| 05:25.12 | misterpull | i'm drooling over super slim cameras with big displays |
| 05:25.25 | misterpull | that looks a little bulky for a 3MP camera (for me) |
| 05:27.25 | LeviHome | I had a fairly small one, but the lack of zoom was annoying. |
| 05:27.33 | LeviHome | This one has a 10x optical zoom. |
| 05:27.56 | misterpull | 95% of the pics I take now are of my kids within 10 feet |
| 05:28.14 | misterpull | different specs for different needs I suppose :) |
| 05:29.34 | LeviHome | Yeah. My wife complains that I never take pictures with people in them. :) |
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| 05:31.16 | tensai | poor wall |
| 05:32.53 | findlay | ~wikepedia CCD |
| 05:33.04 | findlay | hey ibot |
| 05:33.08 | findlay | ibot: hey |
| 05:33.09 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, hey is almost for horses |
| 05:33.25 | misterpull | lol |
| 05:37.30 | findlay | wiki CCD |
| 05:37.34 | findlay | ~wiki CCD |
| 05:37.40 | findlay | there we go |
| 05:37.56 | findlay | ibot: thanks |
| 05:37.56 | ibot | findlay: pas de quoi |
| 05:38.01 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:42.25 | misterpull | g'night all |
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| 05:42.34 | tensai | ~x fr en pas de quoi |
| 05:42.49 | tensai | ~x fr es pas de quoi |
| 05:43.06 | tensai | ~x fr ja pas de quoi |
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| 07:20.43 | SpecialK | ~sleep Maquis |
| 07:21.01 | Maquis | ~finish cs345 project |
| 07:22.07 | SpecialK | ibot sleep is <action> sends <person> to bed after removing all power sources from their computer. |
| 07:22.08 | ibot | ...but sleep is already something else... |
| 07:22.14 | SpecialK | ~sleep |
| 07:22.15 | ibot | from memory, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 07:22.33 | SpecialK | ibot sleep is also <action> sends <person> to bed after removing all power sources from their computer. |
| 07:22.34 | ibot | SpecialK: okay |
| 07:22.43 | SpecialK | ~sleep Maquis |
| 07:23.07 | Maquis | ibot: sleep $who is <action> sends $who to bed without supper |
| 07:23.08 | ibot | Maquis: okay |
| 07:23.14 | Maquis | ~sleep SpecialK |
| 07:23.16 | ibot | ACTION sends SpecialK to bed without supper |
| 07:23.32 | SpecialK | But I already ate pizza and root beer floats |
| 07:24.42 | Maquis | ~mock SpecialK |
| 07:24.44 | ibot | ACTION pulls SpecialK's pants down and shows the world SpecialK's pink spotted underwear |
| 07:24.52 | SpecialK | ibot, no sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 07:24.53 | ibot | okay, SpecialK |
| 07:24.59 | SpecialK | ~sleep |
| 07:25.00 | ibot | [sleep] overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine |
| 07:25.27 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 07:25.41 | Maquis | if i'm not getting sleep... and i'm not getting caffeine.... then... ummm.... |
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| 08:14.40 | xbmodder_lappy | hey, all! |
| 08:14.47 | xbmodder_lappy | flunkin' two classes |
| 08:14.55 | xbmodder_lappy | last time i will be in here for a while |
| 08:15.01 | xbmodder_lappy | so this is my formal good-bye |
| 08:15.14 | xbmodder_lappy | k? guys? |
| 08:15.14 | bonez41 | sorry to see you leave, xbmodder |
| 08:15.26 | xbmodder_lappy | i know your happy i am leavin |
| 08:15.44 | bonez41 | not at all |
| 08:16.35 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
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| 10:10.14 | tensai | but Maquis, the night is still young |
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| 11:14.37 | tensai | ~lart unexpected problems |
| 12:20.06 | tensai | I really don't like harpsicords |
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| 15:03.51 | vontrapp | what port does mysql connect on? |
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| 15:04.17 | Maquis | ithink there's a website someplace that lists that... i don't remember where though |
| 15:07.04 | vontrapp | grr, dangit |
| 15:07.19 | vontrapp | stupid server won't allow ssh port forwarded stuff |
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| 15:09.29 | vontrapp | ok, how do i punch a hole in the firewall in mac osx (and i can only get cli) |
| 15:15.02 | vontrapp | i guess it's too early |
| 15:21.07 | tensai | vontrapp: port 3306 |
| 15:22.19 | mooneroid | http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~rakerman/trojan-port-table.html |
| 15:22.29 | mooneroid | search for os x manual firewall configuration |
| 15:22.41 | mooneroid | i've never used a mac, but this is what i could find. |
| 15:25.43 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 15:37.15 | vontrapp | ~lart glares |
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| 15:57.24 | vontrapp | hah, got through |
| 16:03.56 | bbeattie | outpost is running 300GB drives for $130 today |
| 16:04.06 | Jayce^ | SATA? |
| 16:04.14 | Jayce^ | outpost.? |
| 16:04.56 | Maquis | outpost.com? |
| 16:05.00 | Maquis | gerbils |
| 16:05.09 | Maquis | and tatoos |
| 16:05.12 | Maquis | and wolves |
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| 16:06.03 | vontrapp | bbeattie: ooh, get me one! |
| 16:06.23 | Jayce^ | UATA |
| 16:06.32 | vontrapp | UATA? |
| 16:06.52 | Maquis | how does one know what type of connection their computer has? |
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| 16:07.30 | Newsome | If it don't fit, break out the hacksaw! |
| 16:07.43 | vontrapp | Maquis: internet connection? |
| 16:07.45 | Maquis | |lart Newsome |
| 16:07.49 | Maquis | no... like, for hard drives... |
| 16:07.53 | Maquis | SATA, ATA, etc... |
| 16:07.58 | vontrapp | ah |
| 16:08.10 | vontrapp | most have ide |
| 16:08.23 | vontrapp | although nowadays a lot of new computers are using SATA |
| 16:08.29 | Maquis | hmmm.. |
| 16:08.30 | Maquis | mmk |
| 16:13.13 | Jayce^ | plug.org down afk, circuit blew for some strange reason |
| 16:13.22 | Jayce^ | electrician fixing it atm |
| 16:17.29 | tensai | Jayce^: offer some help. tell him you once fixed your toaster with a knife so you know what you're doing. |
| 16:17.34 | Jayce^ | back up now |
| 16:17.43 | Jayce^ | that would explain a lot :) |
| 16:18.09 | Newsome | Ask him how much current it would draw if you set up your own electric chair! |
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| 16:24.17 | jsmith | ~seen sjansen |
| 16:24.18 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 13h 49m 41s ago, saying: 'Hmmm, IE bug hunting.... Oh, wait,'. |
| 16:28.02 | Maquis | ~seen maquis |
| 16:28.03 | ibot | maquis <~Maquis@byu074961wks.rn.byu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1s ago, saying: '~seen maquis'. |
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| 16:58.42 | hans | is xmission news working for anyone? |
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| 17:26.07 | sjansen | jsmith-firefight: You're looking for me? |
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| 17:33.45 | sjansen | What the? How'd that get opened again? |
| 17:35.04 | Maquis | alias ls='xchat &;ls' |
| 17:36.23 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:36.30 | Maquis | :) |
| 17:42.22 | jsmith-firefight | Yeah, that'd be funny |
| 17:42.57 | jsmith-firefight | Next time he shows up, give him this URL: http://www.sitepoint.com/blog-post-view.php?id=239423 |
| 17:43.46 | Maquis | you want to pass that on to him? |
| 17:43.53 | Maquis | btw, why the -firefight? |
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| 17:58.51 | brailsmt_ | is configuring a fiber card any different than a regular catv card? |
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| 18:05.21 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 18:05.53 | vontrapp | c'mon hans, just one puff won't hurt |
| 18:06.01 | hans | |lart vontrapp |
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| 18:44.31 | hans | this stupid xp box locks up whenever I try to open explorer or control panel. that can't be good. |
| 18:44.45 | hans | oh, I thought it was karl marx |
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| 18:45.25 | hans | let's make lots of money |
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| 18:45.52 | hans | don't make me get my headphones. |
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| 18:46.32 | hans | joshc: so you going to the erasure concert? |
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| 18:47.02 | hans | well I'm not much of a cure fan |
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| 18:47.31 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.34 | hans | it was a variant on nerd-baiting. saying something to elicit an expected response from someone when you know how they'll respond. ;-) |
| 18:47.47 | hans | like asking sjansen if he likes debian |
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| 18:48.13 | hans | you're the one for me... |
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| 18:48.29 | hans | goozbach: of my primitive ancestry |
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| 18:49.00 | goozbach | very tmbg |
| 18:49.09 | goozbach | he want's a shoe-horn |
| 18:49.12 | hans | that stood on rocky shores and kept the beaches shipwreck-free |
| 18:50.02 | tensai | now I hate you all. I've got that song in my head but I don't have a copy to listen to. |
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| 18:50.08 | tensai | ~lart #utah |
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| 18:50.31 | hans | though I respect that a lot, I'd be fired if that were my job, after killing jason off and all his countless argonauts |
| 18:50.39 | goozbach | the kind with teeth |
| 18:50.49 | hans | joshc: the answer is fatty. you're the one for me, fatty |
| 18:50.52 | goozbach | cause he knows there's no such thing |
| 18:50.56 | hans | one of the few morrisey songs I know. |
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| 18:51.23 | hans | no clue, but it's been 5+ years at least. |
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| 18:54.15 | goozbach | garbage just came out with some new stuff |
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| 19:37.51 | hans | levi: I read the trio of essays. very good. |
| 19:44.11 | vontrapp | but mr. horrible says "i don't mind" |
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| 19:56.28 | Jayce^ | the thing that bothers me is that.. |
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| 20:04.20 | levi | hans: Yup. |
| 20:05.26 | brailsmt_ | anyone use a time tracking utility? |
| 20:05.27 | levi | Someone keeps moving my chair. |
| 20:05.43 | brailsmt_ | like to track time spent on various projects? |
| 20:05.44 | Maquis | brailsmt_: i used one the past 3 summers |
| 20:05.49 | Maquis | it was a hassle |
| 20:06.27 | Maquis | i kept forgetting to fill it in, and then had to go back at the end of the week and try to remember how i had used my time |
| 20:06.37 | brailsmt_ | sure, but it'd be nice to have some numbers to base my guesstimates on when reporting how much time i spent on projects... |
| 20:07.51 | Maquis | if you can remember to do it, it's cool |
| 20:08.14 | brailsmt_ | you have a name for an app? |
| 20:10.07 | brailsmt_ | i remember using one a couple years ago out of pure curiosity, but I can't remember its name... |
| 20:13.06 | Maquis | brailsmt_: it was called timetracker |
| 20:13.15 | Maquis | i think there are better apps if you google though |
| 20:13.19 | Maquis | this one was kinda weird |
| 20:16.14 | hans | brailsmt_: I used to have a quest for a perfect time tracker. never found a good one. |
| 20:16.35 | hans | I think (for me at least) the best solution is a stopwatch and paper (e.g. the logbook) |
| 20:16.43 | hans | you do keep a logbook, right? :) |
| 20:17.49 | hans | the stopwatch can further be extracted as looking at your watch when you start, then when you stop you estimate to the nearest half hour |
| 20:18.17 | hans | if you get in the habit of writing down time whenever you stop working, (e.g. the end of the day or lunch or whatever) then you'll do well. |
| 20:18.34 | hans | 15min or 30min is good enough time resolution, methinks. |
| 20:24.55 | hans | levi: I blogged my (rather verbose) response. |
| 20:29.41 | SpecialK | firefight? |
| 20:29.52 | hans | congratulations on your successful firefight! |
| 20:29.52 | jsmith | I was putting out fires all morning. |
| 20:29.58 | jsmith | hans: Thanks... |
| 20:30.13 | SpecialK | I suppose I do that sometimes too. |
| 20:31.28 | jsmith | Anyway, I changed my nick so that people would know I was busy... |
| 20:33.53 | Bradipo | Anyone else notice a new Archive bug in Gmail? |
| 20:34.16 | Bradipo | I've noticed that quite often when I press Archive when reading a thread it will return to the inbox but doesn't archive the thread. |
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| 20:55.02 | hans | ~lart vontrapp_ |
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| 21:08.58 | sjansen | As further proof of my thesis that PHP causes brain damage, I submit for your consideration the date() function. |
| 21:09.48 | shadoi | it _causes_ brain damage? |
| 21:11.39 | vontrapp_ | hey, how come my password doesn't work with nickserv anymore? |
| 21:12.47 | vontrapp | nm, i figured it out |
| 21:13.12 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 21:13.43 | hans | |lart vontrappo |
| 21:13.48 | vontrapp | lyrics <song> in the address bar, baby |
| 21:17.57 | vontrapp | |lart hanso lo |
| 21:18.25 | vontrapp | who is this Dr. Dre guy anyway? |
| 21:18.57 | vontrapp | |rmlart tells Dr. Dre that <who> was talking smack |
| 21:18.57 | brigham | okay |
| 21:20.42 | sjansen | shadoi: date("M&\\nb\sp;d", $somedate); |
| 21:20.47 | sjansen | So what's that doing? |
| 21:21.27 | sjansen | (I know, BTW.) |
| 21:21.28 | levi | hans: Didn't you used to have some sort of CSS or something for your blog? |
| 21:22.13 | hans | yeah, but it bugged me today and so I nuked it. (I didn't make it, just grabbed it from someone else) |
| 21:22.40 | hans | I'm going spartan until I whip up a good, simple design. (or find such to steal) |
| 21:23.48 | levi | vontrapp: You've never heard of Dr. Dre? |
| 21:25.19 | vontrapp | ok, why do i care if some singer knows i was talking smack? |
| 21:26.00 | vontrapp | some singer that has "Parental Advisory" on his cd's |
| 21:26.55 | vontrapp | a pretty cool website, though |
| 21:27.08 | levi | Dr. Dre is a famous rapper/rap producer. |
| 21:27.15 | levi | Of the gangsta rap variety. |
| 21:27.36 | levi | So if you talk smack about him, you get capped in da head, or something. |
| 21:28.51 | sjansen | levi: Don't you mean or somefin'? |
| 21:29.03 | levi | No. |
| 21:29.21 | levi | That part was not supposed to be gangsta inflected. |
| 21:36.44 | sjansen | sed, how I love thee |
| 21:38.03 | bigdog_ut | sjansen, not the php thing again |
| 21:41.36 | sjansen | bigdog_ut: My pain is your pain. |
| 21:43.13 | bigdog_ut | i hear ya |
| 21:43.43 | bigdog_ut | but i agree sed, awk and grep are the love of my life...w/ find in there |
| 21:44.11 | sjansen | you left out xargs |
| 21:44.38 | goozbach | xargs, sed, awk, grep, sort, uniq, and vim |
| 21:45.07 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:45.31 | bigdog_ut | the core utils package |
| 21:45.48 | sjansen | grep, sed, find, xargs, sort, uniq, seq, vim, bash, and perl |
| 21:46.27 | jsmith | sjansen: Perl? |
| 21:46.37 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 21:46.38 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:46.49 | bigdog_ut | bash |
| 21:47.16 | sjansen | I don't defend it's readability, but if you need to do heavy duty string slicing and dicing, perl's the king |
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| 21:56.11 | brailsmt_ | can i use find to list all local directories on a machine? -xdev won't work, since there may be different filesystems and mount points that are local... |
| 21:57.09 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt_, you want to find all directories on a machine? |
| 21:57.28 | brailsmt_ | bigdog_ut: all local directories |
| 21:57.44 | brailsmt_ | so exlcuding nfs, or any other networked filesystem... |
| 21:58.13 | bigdog_ut | find / -type d -xdev |
| 21:58.26 | bigdog_ut | or find / -type d -xdev -mount |
| 21:59.00 | brailsmt_ | bigdog_ut: that will only search for files that are on the same partition as /, IIRC |
| 21:59.05 | brailsmt_ | s/files/directories |
| 21:59.34 | bigdog_ut | you want all dirs that are not nfs |
| 22:00.39 | brailsmt_ | find / -type d -not -fstype nfs -print 0 |
| 22:00.43 | brailsmt_ | s/0// |
| 22:00.56 | brailsmt_ | but that only kills nfs, not other filesystems... |
| 22:01.15 | bigdog_ut | like what other types? |
| 22:01.56 | bigdog_ut | try this: find / -type d -not -fstype nft -o -fstype <other> |
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| 22:10.43 | brailsmt_ | what are some common network filesystems in data centers? NFS for sure... any others that you guys can think of? |
| 22:11.45 | sjansen | smb/cifs |
| 22:12.06 | shadoi | afs |
| 22:12.21 | bucky | http://www.openafs.org/ |
| 22:12.30 | brailsmt_ | sjansen: is a unix server going to be mounting up smbfs shares? |
| 22:12.33 | sjansen | I once worked at a place that used smb to transfer files from Utah to Hawaii. Confidential files. Needless to say, there were fireworks when it was discovered. |
| 22:12.37 | shadoi | and various cluster filesystems like GFS, etc. |
| 22:13.09 | hans | heh. wonder where that could have been? |
| 22:13.27 | sjansen | brailsmt_: It could. I've known people to backup there Linux boxen over smb to avoid paying for new software. I _strongly_ encouraged them not to. |
| 22:14.03 | brailsmt_ | that is very unlikely to be the case at places like Sprint... |
| 22:14.06 | sjansen | hans: I've forgotten. ;-) |
| 22:14.07 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 22:16.21 | brailsmt_ | from SGI.com: 2004/10/26 XFS web pages updated for first time in several years. (*cough*) |
| 22:16.30 | brailsmt_ | gotta love ppl with a sense of humor |
| 22:17.44 | brailsmt_ | can XFS be networked? |
| 22:17.51 | shadoi | nah |
| 22:18.07 | shadoi | it's a normal journaled local filesystem |
| 22:19.47 | shadoi | coda has no place in data centers.. hehe |
| 22:21.38 | brailsmt_ | i think nfs and afs will provide pretty good coverage... |
| 22:24.00 | sjansen | What about gmailfs? |
| 22:24.13 | sjansen | sshfs? |
| 22:24.15 | shadoi | haha |
| 22:25.06 | sjansen | Anyone care to explain why the schema for the table has a column of type varchar(20) named active that only ever stores a 1 or 0? |
| 22:25.38 | Jayce^ | idiot developers |
| 22:27.11 | bigdog_ut | that is you can write it out |
| 22:27.18 | bigdog_ut | one or zero or one and zero |
| 22:27.19 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:30.05 | brailsmt_ | sjansen: maybe they originaly thought they would stored 'true' and 'false'... both of which obviously need 20 characters... |
| 22:30.44 | brailsmt_ | i think maybe you are being to critical of others efforts... |
| 22:30.50 | brailsmt_ | ...to waste space |
| 22:30.58 | sjansen | strlen('both true and false') -> 19 |
| 22:31.08 | brailsmt_ | lol |
| 22:31.15 | sjansen | oh, wait, the extra one must be for the null character |
| 22:31.36 | brailsmt_ | how could you forget that? |
| 22:32.33 | goozbach | don't forget slashdotfs |
| 22:33.11 | vontrapp | Ghost Rider? |
| 22:33.25 | bigdog_ut | killer song |
| 22:33.33 | bigdog_ut | rush is just plain good |
| 22:33.49 | sjansen | brailsmt_: I think I forgot it because I was using PHP+SQL instead of C. |
| 22:34.37 | brailsmt_ | what about carrier_pigeon_fs/ |
| 22:35.04 | sjansen | What? When was the implemented? |
| 22:35.16 | goozbach | brailsmt_: that filesystem has yet to be implemented |
| 22:35.27 | goozbach | wheras the others mentioned have. |
| 22:36.28 | brailsmt_ | you guys are behind the times... |
| 22:36.45 | brailsmt_ | we have a whole slew of pigeons in the office... |
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| 22:39.23 | brailsmt_ | think of the chickens in Napolean Dynamite... that is where I work... |
| 22:39.38 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.57 | brailsmt_ | except we have to eat harboiled pigeon eggs for lunch... |
| 22:40.07 | brailsmt_ | it takes like 40 to fill you up... |
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| 22:40.25 | brailsmt_ | pigeon eggs... |
| 22:40.27 | brailsmt_ | yeah... |
| 22:40.34 | brailsmt_ | they are pretty small... |
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| 22:41.45 | brailsmt_ | i think i would vomit if i had to eat 50 eggs in one sitting... |
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| 22:46.15 | vontrapp | ~logs |
| 22:46.15 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:48.15 | joshc | ~lart the logs |
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| 22:49.55 | sjansen | foo bar baz is the normal progression |
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| 22:50.26 | bucky | brailsmt_, some people are using SMB for Fuse, http://fusesmb.berlios.de/ with the 2.6 kernel to re-export there shares over NFS |
| 22:50.59 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.02 | sjansen | my visceral reaction based on repeated exposure to Linux documentation and such |
| 22:52.13 | hans | joshc says the jargon file |
| 22:53.08 | goozbach | I beleive that the RFC says so as well |
| 22:53.18 | goozbach | it's been a while since I read it however |
| 22:53.19 | sjansen | There's an RFC? |
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| 22:54.26 | sjansen | Why should ESR have to cite anything? He's ESR, geek historian and mouth piece for all of us whether we want him or not. |
| 22:54.28 | goozbach | yup the metasyntatic varibles |
| 22:54.30 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.17 | hans | are you going to write one for every prominent historian in every subculture you belong to? |
| 22:58.30 | goozbach | yeah what about the wikipedia-updating startrek fans |
| 22:58.32 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:58.59 | goozbach | are you gonna do one on the promient historian of that subculture? |
| 22:59.05 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.14 | goozbach | you could call it an autobiography |
| 22:59.51 | sjansen | hans: No, although maybe I'll include a footnote. It just drives me crazy when those to act like speak for all of the F/OSS community. Especially ESR. |
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| 23:00.37 | vontrapp | o/~ when i was a lad i ate 2 dozen eggs every morning to help me get large o/~ |
| 23:01.59 | sjansen | That foo rfc is very cool. |
| 23:02.04 | hans | who would you have speak for the community? |
| 23:02.09 | goozbach | and now that I'm grown I eat 5 dozen eggs *mumble mumble* somthing |
| 23:02.27 | vontrapp | so i'm roughly the size of a barge! |
| 23:02.34 | bucky | Bruce Perens |
| 23:02.34 | goozbach | ahh that's it |
| 23:02.38 | goozbach | thanks |
| 23:03.00 | sjansen | If I had to choose, I'd pick Mad Dog. |
| 23:03.22 | sjansen | Or Linus. Followed by Alan Cox. |
| 23:03.43 | bucky | mad dog is scruffy looking |
| 23:03.58 | sjansen | And RMS/ESR aren't? |
| 23:04.12 | bucky | god yes.. |
| 23:04.20 | sjansen | Not to mention Alan. Heck, the only none-scruffy one is Linus. |
| 23:04.27 | bucky | and Linus is no diplomat |
| 23:05.21 | sjansen | Better than RMS and ESR. But then I consider ignore them and get to work a better form of diplomacy that shooting one's mouth off. |
| 23:05.52 | hans | so you prefer mad dog, but some might prefer ESR |
| 23:06.01 | bucky | ESR is a practicing wikka member.. a "white witch" |
| 23:06.29 | bucky | RMS is a devout aetheist |
| 23:07.10 | sjansen | Yep. Many years ago ESR spoke at BYU. After the prayer, he commented that was probably the first time a practicing witch was blessed by a Mormon. |
| 23:07.59 | bucky | and ESR is a bona fide gun nut |
| 23:08.33 | bucky | and of the arabs he said "kill em all" |
| 23:10.29 | bucky | and who can forget his first person shooter game to replace xconfig |
| 23:10.41 | bucky | he did however write fetchmail |
| 23:12.24 | hans | and bogofilter |
| 23:12.31 | hans | and ibot is of unkown gender |
| 23:12.41 | hans | and Jayce^ is a paintball nut |
| 23:12.48 | hans | and hans likes to annoy sjansen with bots |
| 23:13.39 | shadoi | welcome to the cult of personality. |
| 23:14.04 | hans | and don't forget that sjansen doesn't like debian (unless he's been converted by ubuntu) |
| 23:16.12 | sjansen | hans: you've got it wrong, Debian hates me |
| 23:16.59 | bucky | ubuntu? when did debian get out sourced to africa? |
| 23:17.10 | bucky | maddog: I started off being an electrical engineer when I was in college, and after seeing a friend of mine fried by 13,600 volts and 400 amps, which was not a pretty sight, I decided to switch over to the software thing |
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| 23:30.02 | sjansen | *yawn* 2001: A Space Odyssey |
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| 23:36.29 | sjansen | bbiab |
| 23:36.43 | Jayce^ | that's a must see movie |
| 23:50.09 | neybar | Two Dollars! |
| 23:56.22 | vontrapp | "I bet you didn't think I was a good eugoogelizer" |
| 23:58.05 | sjansen | eu-google-izer? |
| 23:59.12 | sjansen | ~seen Newsome |
| 23:59.14 | ibot | newsome <~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7h 41m 5s ago, saying: 'Ask him how much current it would draw if you set up your own electric chair!'. |