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| 16:48.39 | uugDave | Any gentoo buffs here? |
| 16:52.08 | Jayce^ | sourcemage :) |
| 16:52.21 | uugDave | hehe :) |
| 16:52.32 | Jayce^ | looks like brailsmt and byron aren't here, they are the biggest ones I know locally. |
| 16:52.46 | uugDave | Yeah, Byron's here next to me -- I stumped him ;) |
| 16:52.53 | Jayce^ | bwahaha.. |
| 16:53.01 | Jayce^ | kick him and tell him to get in here for me.. |
| 16:56.18 | Bonez39 | any of you using OpenOffice? |
| 16:58.21 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 17:07.55 | Bonez39 | I am running into a problem.. |
| 17:08.06 | Bonez39 | occasionally other doctors send me docs written in word perfect... |
| 17:08.20 | Bonez39 | but OO does not have (to my knowledge) a .wpd filter.. |
| 17:08.35 | Bonez39 | any suggestions? other than having them save in word or other format, and resend to me? |
| 17:11.21 | Jayce^ | it's a closed format, and star office has the converter... has to be paid for.. |
| 17:12.47 | Bonez39 | oh, to convert from wpd have to pay and register star office? that stinks.... |
| 17:13.10 | Bonez39 | guess I'll inform the other doctors to send out in word format then..instead of word perfect. |
| 17:14.09 | uugDave | hehe, you could recommend that they use OpenOffice too ;) |
| 17:14.30 | Bonez39 | that's true.....I will make the recommendation and urge the switch. |
| 17:16.26 | Jayce^ | they could also send in HTML or some other format |
| 17:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | RPF |
| 17:16.52 | CosmicPenguin | RTF |
| 17:16.58 | HarleyPig | xml |
| 17:17.43 | Jayce^ | HarleyPigML |
| 17:17.54 | Bonez39 | true.. |
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| 17:29.05 | Jayce^ | <clothing type="speedo" color="day-glo orange" requirement="optional" size="small"/> |
| 17:30.45 | neybar | <boots type="steel toe" color="black" height="mid calf" gloss="shiney" /> |
| 17:31.06 | Jayce^ | d'oh... the two of those together on harley would scare anybody.. |
| 17:31.50 | neybar | lol |
| 17:32.27 | Jayce^ | I liked ewomacks reaction upon imagining HarleyPig in the speedo at the smgl dinner... thought he would gag.. |
| 17:34.44 | neybar | heh |
| 17:37.57 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 17:38.04 | HarleyPig | And he hasn't even seen me! |
| 17:38.17 | Jayce^ | no, but you described yourself to him :) that's enough... |
| 17:38.35 | HarleyPig | Uh, that size is too big: size="eensy" |
| 17:38.41 | Jayce^ | hehe.. |
| 17:39.12 | neybar | you could change the color of the boots to match the speedo too... |
| 17:39.14 | Jayce^ | for some reasons the word's "bursting at the seams" come to mind |
| 17:39.38 | Jayce^ | neybar: make some cards for the vegas gauntlet *snap* |
| 17:39.39 | HarleyPig | Naw ... it'd just be a *gross* example of Dunlop's disease. |
| 17:42.44 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 17:42.47 | neybar | whoa, we scared him off |
| 17:43.00 | Jayce^ | heh.. probably did a sorcery update : |
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| 17:44.01 | Jayce^ | had to change HarleyPig? |
| 17:44.18 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... got a static ip. |
| 17:44.52 | Jayce^ | hey everybody, pingflood 208.186.180.38 |
| 17:46.08 | neybar | ping |
| 17:46.13 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 17:46.13 | Jayce^ | piong |
| 17:46.17 | Jayce^ | pong even |
| 17:46.28 | HarleyPig | Is that anything like biatch? |
| 17:46.39 | Jayce^ | I think so.. |
| 17:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: perl guru question - is \s+ faster than \s* in re matching? |
| 17:54.32 | CosmicPenguin | or is it the same? |
| 17:55.16 | Jayce^ | just as such, same (essentially), because 0 or more, or 1 or more.. but if you do something like adding a ? in there, that changes things greatly.. |
| 17:56.06 | HarleyPig | Well, \s+? is superfluous, but it might still add time. |
| 17:56.18 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: exactly.. |
| 17:57.18 | Jayce^ | but like \s*? (oohh .*?) |
| 17:57.45 | CosmicPenguin | so If I know that there is at least 1 space, what should I use? |
| 17:58.09 | Jayce^ | + |
| 17:58.11 | Bonez39 | I think I have asked before...do any of you have suggestions on kernel upgrades? other than reading everything at www.kernel.org? |
| 17:58.14 | CosmicPenguin | cool |
| 17:58.21 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: anything in particular? |
| 17:58.52 | Jayce^ | Bonez39: make sure you know exactly what hardware you have, and write it down.. |
| 17:59.11 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: I'm writing a perl script to parse my mainframe emulator printer output (which stands at 5MB now, and growing) |
| 17:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | So speed is of the essence |
| 17:59.48 | Jayce^ | CosmicPenguin: ok, well, does your regex have variables in it (eg m/$foo/) or anything? |
| 17:59.52 | HarleyPig | speed in writing it or parsing it? |
| 18:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: always keep your older kernel availiable in the boot loader even if the new one seems to work fine |
| 18:00.26 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: no variables - just raw text. If you've ever seen IBM printer output, thats exactly what I'm parsing |
| 18:01.24 | Jayce^ | CosmicPenguin: good, for execution, use the /o flag on your regex (m/\s+/o) , it makes the regex compile only once at your programs compile time, instead of on every line.. immense speedup... |
| 18:02.01 | Jayce^ | you just obviously can't use it for dynamic matches, such as where you search for a value that get's changed inside the script.. |
| 18:02.06 | HarleyPig | Uhh, slight nitpick on that ... |
| 18:02.06 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: should I use that on every regex in the file, or just on the most used ones |
| 18:02.16 | HarleyPig | it compiles the regex the first time it's run, not at compile time. |
| 18:02.33 | Jayce^ | CosmicPenguin: any regex that doesn't have the substitution.. |
| 18:02.46 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: lets take it for a test run |
| 18:02.50 | HarleyPig | CosmicPenguin: If the regex stays the same *and* is run multiple times (as in a loop) then use /o |
| 18:03.06 | HarleyPig | If it's run once in a program, then the initial time is actually more. |
| 18:03.07 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig: doesnt' it depend on the perl version, I thought I read they were pushing it to compile, if it could tell you didnt' change it.. |
| 18:03.36 | Jayce^ | of course maybe it's the opposite of what I was thinking, that's been known to happen :) |
| 18:03.52 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... I seem to remember that they decided to leave it at runtime because you could change things between compile time and runtime, but only want to do it once. |
| 18:04.09 | Jayce^ | maybe, like with source filters.. possibly.. |
| 18:04.27 | HarleyPig | Yeah, that rings a bell. |
| 18:05.36 | Bonez39 | CosmicPenguin: I can't get my palm to work with my USB cradle..so I want to upgrade..I am only running 2.4.2 right now....that's ancient.. |
| 18:05.50 | Jayce^ | wow, yeah.. |
| 18:06.26 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: cut the execution time by about 15 seconds |
| 18:06.32 | Jayce^ | good |
| 18:06.34 | CosmicPenguin | Jayce^: I gotta say, thats pretty freaking impressive |
| 18:07.01 | Jayce^ | optimization is good |
| 18:07.08 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: yeah - an upgrade would be good. What kernel are you using now - homegrown or distro provided? |
| 18:08.04 | Bonez39 | mine is caldera 2.4.2 (workstation 3.1) |
| 18:10.11 | Bonez39 | what version do you run, Cosmic? |
| 18:12.49 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: on my desktop at work, I'm running 2.4.19 pre something (I don't like to reboot my work machine) |
| 18:13.06 | CosmicPenguin | My laptop is running 2.4.45-ac2, and my home machine is running 2.4.20 pre |
| 18:14.04 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: the problem with distro kernels is that its hard to ahold of the config file sometimes, so its a real pain to get the right configuration the first time you grow your own kernel |
| 18:14.28 | CosmicPenguin | But then after that, its a snap to upgrade, because you can just copy over your old config, and tweek it slightly for the new options |
| 18:16.54 | neybar | oh yeah, mandrake is a real pain to upgrade the kernel on. I have only been able to get a stable kernel once or twice and I had to strip everything out of it. |
| 18:21.59 | Bonez39 | well, I am glad to give this a whirl.... |
| 18:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | Bonez39: the first step is to do dmesg, and get the first hundred lines or so - so you can see what devices are being initalized |
| 18:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | Then, as you go through menuconfig, you can select the right drivers |
| 18:23.33 | CosmicPenguin | And heaven help you if you have SCSI |
| 18:28.19 | Bonez39 | you lost me with the dmesg command. |
| 18:28.34 | Bonez39 | only scsi I have is an interface card for my HP scanjet 4c |
| 18:28.40 | Bonez39 | does linux not like scsi? |
| 18:30.25 | CosmicPenguin | No, linux likes SCSI just fine, but it can get confusing |
| 18:30.49 | CosmicPenguin | anyway, if you type dmesg at the shell prompt, it will give you the entire system log since you booted your machine |
| 18:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | Or at least, the kernel messages |
| 18:31.40 | Bonez39 | ah, yes, I have several that say protocol 0608 or 0600 or 0008 is buggy, dev eth0 |
| 18:32.08 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, you can see what devices were initalized during boot up - that makes going through the list of kernel configs a lot less daunting |
| 18:33.01 | Bonez39 | ok...I think I understand . |
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| 22:55.39 | Bonez39 | ah, life...;) |
| 22:57.37 | fozz | :) |
| 23:06.29 | Bonez39 | fozz? |
| 23:06.32 | Bonez39 | still around? |
| 23:06.42 | Bonez39 | any experience with compiling a new kernel? |
| 23:08.56 | han_solo | yeah |
| 23:10.04 | Bonez39 | well, here's what I have done..I grabbed the 2.4.19 kernel from kernel.org. |
| 23:10.40 | han_solo | good first step |
| 23:10.41 | Bonez39 | I run win4lin, so I ran the patches on the kernel after unpacking it in a folder in my $HOME folder, specifically /home/scott/down/kernel 2.4.19/linux-2.4.19 |
| 23:11.15 | Bonez39 | the patches applied well and had NO HUNK FAILURES...WENT without a hitch...but then after that, and running make menuconfig...that went fine too. |
| 23:11.37 | Bonez39 | when I go to run 'make dep' that' when I get nothing but failures...indicating that it can't write to this or that folder. |
| 23:12.25 | han_solo | can you copy one of the errors specifically? |
| 23:14.46 | Bonez39 | sure...hold on.. |
| 23:15.02 | Bonez39 | ______________________________________________ |
| 23:15.07 | Bonez39 | grrr...that's not it.. |
| 23:15.24 | CosmicPenguin | sure you have permissions... :) |
| 23:15.25 | han_solo | wow, that's an intriguing error. ;) |
| 23:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | It looks like one of mine.... I like to do lots of printf("&&&&") debug calls... :) |
| 23:15.52 | Bonez39 | ok, I'll type it back in here..;) |
| 23:16.14 | han_solo | yes, if you had for example untarred it as root but now are trying to compile as you, that would be trouble |
| 23:17.38 | Bonez39 | make [2]: *** No rule to make target '2.4.19/linux-2.4.19/Rules.make' Stop make [2]: Leaving directory '/home/scott/down/kernel 2.4.19/linux-2.4.19/kernel make [1]: *** [_sfdeb_kernel] Error 2. |
| 23:17.41 | Bonez39 | etc. etc. |
| 23:17.55 | Bonez39 | no, I was just as my user name when I untarred it... |
| 23:18.45 | han_solo | hmm, that error isn't an error. find one that doesn't look like that. :) |
| 23:18.55 | Bonez39 | ok.... |
| 23:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | Is there indded a file called 2.4.19/linux-2.4.19/Rules.make? |
| 23:19.06 | CosmicPenguin | Ooops - you are in the wrong directory. Move down one |
| 23:19.15 | CosmicPenguin | you can only compile in the root directory in the kernel tree |
| 23:19.24 | Bonez39 | here's one: find: /home/scott/down/kernel: No such file or directory |
| 23:19.34 | CosmicPenguin | Who is scott? |
| 23:19.46 | han_solo | ok, looks like the space is causing trouble |
| 23:19.51 | han_solo | cd /home/scott |
| 23:19.53 | Bonez39 | then find: 2.4.19/linux-2.4.19/include/scsi: No such file or directory |
| 23:20.01 | han_solo | er, |
| 23:20.03 | Bonez39 | oh, the space name in that folder? |
| 23:20.04 | han_solo | cd /home/scott/down |
| 23:20.09 | Bonez39 | that would do it...yeah, ok... |
| 23:20.10 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, go back to the main directory and try again |
| 23:20.17 | Bonez39 | to the main directory? |
| 23:20.21 | han_solo | mv kernel\ 2.4.19/linux-2.4.19 . |
| 23:20.26 | Bonez39 | can I just rename that folder, without the space? |
| 23:20.26 | han_solo | cd linux-2.4.19 |
| 23:20.29 | han_solo | make dep |
| 23:20.37 | han_solo | you can do that too |
| 23:20.39 | Bonez39 | ok... |
| 23:21.02 | han_solo | can you post the output of ls in the "kernel 2.4.19" directory? |
| 23:21.43 | Bonez39 | ah, that must be it...it's grinding away now..;) |
| 23:21.51 | Bonez39 | that should take this machine a while to swallow.. |
| 23:22.20 | han_solo | good :) |
| 23:22.50 | Bonez39 | I suspect it will take an hour or two to get that finished.. |
| 23:23.06 | Bonez39 | on a Pentium II 266 machine.. |
| 23:24.05 | han_solo | perhaps more. :) depending on how many modules you have |
| 23:25.12 | Bonez39 | oh, yeah, that's possible...... |
| 23:25.26 | Bonez39 | so after it does that, then I run make all the other steps......... |
| 23:25.57 | Bonez39 | where I get confused is the point where I break the symlink for 'linux' in my /usr/src/linux folder....to make it point to the new kernel. |
| 23:27.13 | han_solo | after make, make modules, make modules_install |
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