| 00:00:44 | han_solo | and it uses... |
| 00:00:53 | Jayce^ | hehe.. ok, for that matter SMGL too, but it's not in that it used a cd to start, and had the basic elements start from the cd (and immediatly built a new kernel) |
| 00:01:12 | Jayce^ | SMGL can use DHCP, if necessary, or PPP/PPPoE |
| 00:02:27 | han_solo | ok, looks like dhcp is the way to go |
| 00:03:16 | han_solo | but we don't know the mac address yet - has anyone done this? |
| 00:04:25 | brailsmt | not i |
| 00:13:40 | han_solo | what does this mean: 19:19:18.404467 192.168.1.1 > 192.168.1.17: icmp: 192.168.1.1 udp port tftp unreachable [tos 0xc0] ? |
| 00:21:20 | han_solo | well, I guess it means I don't have the tftp daemon running. oops |
| 00:58:46 | brailsmt | han_solo: my linux strength is not hardware/networking stuff... |
| 00:58:59 | brailsmt | if I even had a clue what that was about I would help :) |
| 01:03:04 | han_solo | :) well, we gave it a valiant effort but in the end there was a cryptic message about the boot image being too big for base memory (and I didn't see a boot image smaller than 640k) |
| 01:03:07 | han_solo | so we used the CD :( |
| 12:50:17 | cosmic_away | is back (gone 14:17:53) |
| 15:08:16 | brailsmt | whee, first day of classes... |
| 15:18:00 | levi | Heh heh. For you poor students, yeah. |
| 15:18:56 | brailsmt | they keep telling me that some day I will graduate... |
| 15:19:06 | brailsmt | I don't beleive them... :) |
| 15:21:05 | levi | You'll either graduate eventually or they'll kick you out. They're just being optimistic. ;) |
| 15:22:44 | brailsmt | i feel so much better now :) |
| 15:23:56 | levi | You're welcome. Anytime. |
| 16:48:55 | Jayce^ | busy today... |
| 16:49:00 | Jayce^ | must be school time :D |
| 16:51:48 | levi | Must be. :) |
| 19:21:35 | bbeattie | Mecworks: msg me when you come back for gps stuff |
| 21:44:43 | bbeattie | Mecworks: sorry, my system locked |
| 21:47:19 | bbeattie | Mecworks: afk, someone downstairs needs some perl help. :-) |
| 21:51:44 | brailsmt | just show them ruby-lang.org, and there perl troubles will be solved forever... :) |
| 21:51:51 | brailsmt | s/there/their |
| 21:53:04 | CosmicPenguin | where I'm from, you can get killed for suggesting something like that... :) |
| 21:54:46 | brailsmt | it is worth the chance... things that are better are not always popular... :) |
| 21:55:15 | brailsmt | like linux for example... |
| 21:56:02 | brailsmt | i know I am in the minority... but ruby really is a good language... |
| 21:56:18 | brailsmt | is sourceforge.net down? |
| 21:56:23 | brailsmt | i can't get to vim.sf.net |
| 21:56:36 | CosmicPenguin | : hanging on to the old school |
| 21:56:39 | brailsmt | now it comes up |
| 21:56:58 | CosmicPenguin | sourceforge is really on the ropes - it takes forever to download something these days |
| 21:57:52 | brailsmt | i think i will cry if/when sf.net dies... |
| 21:57:59 | brailsmt | it is a great resource |
| 22:15:56 | CosmicPenguin | is away: home |
| 22:57:48 | | brailsmt was last seen on #utah 59 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: it is a great resource [Wed Sep 4 22:57:59 2002] |
| 22:57:48 | han_solo | ibot: seen brailsmt? |
| 22:58:46 | brailsmt | howdy |
| 22:58:48 | brailsmt | is here |
| 22:58:56 | han_solo | so how did you like 428? |
| 22:59:03 | han_solo | I think I'm really going to enjoy it |
| 22:59:06 | brailsmt | pretty much what I expected |
| 22:59:41 | brailsmt | I want to take the next software engineering course too(528, i think) |
| 23:00:21 | brailsmt | i want to study software engineering in grad school |
| 23:01:16 | han_solo | oh boy, mhalcrow has found another soapbox |
| 23:01:25 | scott | > Besides, in 20 years, it won't matter one lick whether emacs or vi was |
| 23:01:25 | scott | > better. In fact, in 50 years, it won't matter whether you used Linux or |
| 23:01:28 | brailsmt | really? |
| 23:01:37 | scott | I think his choice of # of years is rather interesting |
| 23:01:52 | han_solo | nothing big, just a suggestion to get rid of the GIFs on the uug website |
| 23:02:21 | scott | first, that he thinks unix will outlive emacs (which it hasn't so far), and by 30 years! |
| 23:02:46 | scott | second, that he says "in 50 years", as if the same thing wouldn't most likely be truth in 20 years |
| 23:02:52 | scott | or even less |
| 23:04:47 | scott | just found the # of years kind of interesting is all :) |
| 23:04:57 | scott | and btw, loved the gif suggestion :) |
| 23:05:26 | scott | it matched my impressions of the direction the UUG is moving completely |
| 23:05:36 | scott | glad to hear it get shot down |
| 23:06:44 | han_solo | is slightly confused |
| 23:06:49 | han_solo | did I miss part of that conversation scott? |
| 23:06:54 | brailsmt | why the friction to remove gifs? I use png whenever I can, not becuase of some philosophy link on gnu.org, but because png is better and is not patented... |
| 23:07:12 | brailsmt | han_solo: the vi remark is another thread |
| 23:07:40 | han_solo | well, michael is about as close to RMS as I've seen in person |
| 23:08:00 | han_solo | He obviously feels strongly about free as in freedom and all that, and I respect that |
| 23:08:23 | brailsmt | i do too, therefore I don't like the GPL, i prefer BSD licenses |
| 23:08:47 | scott | brailsmt, I'm opposed to it because the motivation is not the better technology, it is the free software motivation/no patent/gnu.org philosophy |
| 23:08:48 | han_solo | I like gpl, but it's not for everything |
| 23:09:50 | brailsmt | so if he had suggested switching becuase png is better for x number of reasons, you would not be opposed to it? |
| 23:10:00 | scott | well, if there was a reason to |
| 23:10:07 | han_solo | I'm not opposed to switching. I myself never use gifs anymore |
| 23:10:21 | scott | like if the site needed that, for quality or speed or something, I would be fine with it |
| 23:10:29 | brailsmt | i am more machiavelian in that sense... |
| 23:10:30 | han_solo | but that doesn't mean I'm going to crawl through every web page I've created to change them to pngs - unless someone comes asking for money. |
| 23:10:49 | scott | but I find it quite rude to demand that someone change their format in a club that is not about free software |
| 23:10:53 | brailsmt | if they get removed for whatever reason, in my opinion it is good since I would like to see it for other reasons... |
| 23:11:11 | scott | for free software reasons |
| 23:11:32 | han_solo | brailsmt: I like png - but what benefit to the person seeing the page (or to us) does replacing gifs with pngs give us? |
| 23:12:02 | brailsmt | pngs are smaller, they are better quality since it is a better compression algorithm... |
| 23:12:10 | brailsmt | its like comparing mp3 vs. ogg |
| 23:13:05 | han_solo | right - but I wouldn't bother changing mp3s to oggs (notwithstanding the loss of quality for doing so), I just record new stuff in ogg |
| 23:13:48 | brailsmt | are you saying oggs are of lower quality than mp3s, or that converting from mp3 to ogg would lose quality? |
| 23:13:54 | han_solo | the latter |
| 23:13:56 | brailsmt | ok |
| 23:14:05 | han_solo | because both are lossy, and in different ways |
| 23:14:17 | han_solo | so although ogg is better than mp3, converting an mp3 to ogg you would lose quality |
| 23:14:28 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 23:15:13 | han_solo | scott: It will be interesting to see if we still have any software in 20 years that we have now. But I can tell you this, as long as I code by typing, I'm going to use vim. |
| 23:15:48 | han_solo | of course, that vim will probably be quite different than the one I use now... |
| 23:15:48 | brailsmt | i do not think that speech is conducive to coding, for the same reasons that english is not suited as a computer language |
| 23:16:06 | scott | I think speech is great for coding |
| 23:16:13 | brailsmt | so kbds will be around for as long as I can forsee |
| 23:16:27 | scott | not yet clearly, but it will be I suspect |
| 23:16:27 | brailsmt | scott: in what way? |
| 23:16:33 | han_solo | brailsmt: I hope so - I for one don't anticipate any computer being able to read my handwriting |
| 23:16:35 | scott | brailsmt, well, have you read any rebol scripts? |
| 23:16:38 | han_solo | people can't even do that. :) |
| 23:16:42 | scott | you could seriously read one quite easily |
| 23:16:55 | scott | read whatever send here |
| 23:16:56 | brailsmt | scott: no, uhmm...rebol? |
| 23:16:57 | han_solo | scott: but could you dictate it off the hip? |
| 23:16:58 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:17:09 | scott | han_solo, with higher level languages I could |
| 23:17:24 | han_solo | when you make an error, how would you backspace? go up one line, back 5 characters... |
| 23:17:27 | scott | "give me a robot that has a name, a color, and a size" |
| 23:17:46 | scott | easy, you say "revert that" |
| 23:17:52 | scott | or backspace if you wanted |
| 23:17:57 | brailsmt | "class RubyRules semicolon enter def initialize semicolon..." |
| 23:18:01 | scott | or you could say "opps, I meant parent not name" |
| 23:18:05 | brailsmt | i just don't see that happening... |
| 23:18:11 | han_solo | no,no make that two colors, one for the backpack and one for the body. |
| 23:18:19 | han_solo | oh, and make the size constant at 5 feet tall |
| 23:18:21 | han_solo | ... |
| 23:18:22 | scott | I do, I see a lot of potential. not to say though that it's very possible right now |
| 23:18:24 | han_solo | well, I gotta go |
| 23:18:42 | brailsmt | uh... see ya |
| 23:18:52 | brailsmt | his boss must've walked in... |
| 23:18:52 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:18:59 | scott | happens to me all the time :) |
| 23:19:02 | scott | oh crap, gtg |
| 23:19:32 | scott | just joking :) |
| 23:21:07 | brailsmt | i was like, "wow, how ironic..." |
| 23:26:10 | scott | man, everything you need an account for |
| 23:26:32 | scott | this new army game you need an account to play online (even though it's just like quake, half-life, etc in the way it plays online) |
| 23:26:52 | scott | fileplanet and now some 3d games site also (can't remember url, but it's big) require accounts to download anything |
| 23:27:20 | scott | I hate to think that I might need an account just to view webpages soon (I guess that's true for NYT already) |
| 23:27:44 | brailsmt | i hate making accounts online... account == give us your personal info so we can sell it and make some money to keep afloat... |
| 23:29:00 | scott | yeah, and sometimes it can be hard during registration to decide if this service might have a legitimate need for that info so as to determine if you should give the real stuff instead of phoney, while wishing to not have to go back adn create a new account when you find out that info is needed :) |
| 23:29:14 | scott | if that makes any sense at all, it's not thanks to me. |
| 23:29:50 | scott | this army game is very open about displaying your password plain text.. |
| 23:30:29 | brailsmt | i have about 5 different passwords, some I use for root, my acct pass, etc... |
| 23:30:41 | brailsmt | others I use online and I don't really care about |
| 23:31:08 | brailsmt | since if someone had access to them all they could do would be to post to ML's... |
| 23:33:23 | scott | re gif suggestion: the only thing I can think of that's quite undesirable about openbeos is that the community will probably no longer be firmly against these free software crazies since the OS is open |
| 23:48:12 | brailsmt | i see nothing but positives about free software... |
| 23:49:52 | scott | note that I said free software crazies, meaning people who's idea of freedom in software is pressuring people to not use the superior product but instead use inferior alternatives because its free. |
| 23:56:52 | bbeattie | anyone an ogg vorbis user here? |