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| 20:33.56 | carmony | So..... slack |
| 20:33.57 | carmony | :P |
| 20:34.48 | DexterTheDragon | no, this is patrick |
| 20:35.33 | INFLUX | slack is whack |
| 20:35.35 | INFLUX | not even once |
| 20:35.59 | fungus | Slack is IRC with a fancy web front-end. |
| 20:36.43 | DexterTheDragon | (inferior IRC) |
| 20:43.46 | herlo | INFLUX: sorry, I'd recommend any books by matt harrison. He's a local python guy and author of some pretty good books/tutorials. |
| 20:43.56 | INFLUX | groovy! |
| 20:44.06 | INFLUX | Thanks, yo. :) |
| 20:44.28 | herlo | slack is more of a web ui for chatting and happens to have an irc and xmpp gateway that work. I don't think slack is meant for people who grew up using IRC, but rather for getting communities of people to collaborate and such. |
| 20:45.41 | romanovic | it's made for companies who need to hand money to someone to set up group communication |
| 20:46.45 | romanovic | my departments needs group chat very badly. we all know what IRC is, but virtually nobody uses it and the company hasn't shown interest in hosting a server |
| 20:48.20 | romanovic | if someone came in with an irc server, but called it something else and charged the company several $100s or $1000s per month, it would gain more traction |
| 20:49.14 | romanovic | slack actually did gain some traction, but they got hacked the first week my department was evaluating it, so they laid down the kibosh. still no group communications |
| 20:50.12 | DexterTheDragon | must be hard to pick an OS |
| 20:50.37 | herlo | romanovic: true to some extent. We use it at LF and don't pay for it... |
| 20:51.33 | herlo | slack is a web service, it's bound to get attacked and broken into from time to time. Even what I'd consider secure sites (ie. lastpass) have been cracked. |
| 20:52.01 | romanovic | herlo: that's awesome. not a selling point for my department though - inexpensive or free == no valuable service being provided |
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| 20:54.51 | romanovic | One of the questions on the Joel test is "Do you use the best tools money can buy?" My company seems to understand this as, "do you use the most expensive tools capable of getting the job done?" |
| 20:58.06 | INFLUX | do you guys know of anyone needing web dev work done? I need to build a portfolio of stuff, so I'm flexible on pay. |
| 20:58.52 | romanovic | INFLUX: are you looking for just a few hours here and there? or full-time short-term work? |
| 20:59.22 | INFLUX | I can do about 20-30 short-term. |
| 20:59.46 | INFLUX | i have a dayjob, but I'm trying not to put all my eggs in one basket. |
| 21:00.20 | romanovic | there is the #gigs channel on frontendDevelopers slack... |
| 21:00.39 | fungus | romanovic, i'm in the same boat. certain managers want to use it to replace my perfectly good IRC server. |
| 21:00.39 | romanovic | also, http://weworkremotely.com |
| 21:00.46 | INFLUX | Eggcellent. |
| 21:01.39 | INFLUX | thank you, romanovic |
| 21:01.49 | romanovic | We Work Remotely are usually looking for full-time developers, but I scan it occasionally and have seen part-time and contract postings as well. not a lot of job listings, but they're all guaranteed to let you work remotely |
| 21:02.19 | INFLUX | nice |
| 21:04.31 | romanovic | fungus: did you have to persuade other developers to join you on irc, or were they already savvy to begin with? |
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| 21:04.52 | fungus | We've been using IRC for years and years. |
| 21:07.33 | romanovic | no such luck on teams where I work. all real-time group communications are done through spaghetti bowls of email threads |
| 21:13.51 | romanovic | i've had almost no success getting other developers to take interest. i need to mount a much larger office campaign than I have done |
| 21:14.27 | INFLUX | trick them |
| 21:14.53 | romanovic | the current status quo is "IT told us a few months ago they would be upgrading the lync server, and the new version will have better group chat support, so we're gonna see how that works out" |
| 21:15.01 | UtahDave | We've used IRC for several years and recently switched to Slack for internal stuff. It's actually been pretty great |
| 21:17.54 | romanovic | to be fair, my employers would require a 3rd party service to be hipaa compliant, and slack is not. their upcoming Enterprise level service might work out, if they allow the company to host the servers internally |
| 21:19.33 | romanovic | they hinted to us that it would be an option. but then they got hacked and that ended the discussion |
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