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| 19:52.40 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 19:52.40 | infobot | turns SunSparc into a lifesized tux doll |
| 19:52.50 | SunSparc | ~doh |
| 19:52.50 | infobot | doh is, like, what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 19:52.57 | SunSparc | ~zalgo |
| 19:52.58 | infobot | i guess zalgo is http://shmorky.com/parodies/a11.html |
| 19:54.33 | Oberon4278 | Heaven help me, my friends, I am seriously considering moving back to Utah. |
| 19:55.12 | SunSparc | ~trap Oberon4278 |
| 19:55.12 | infobot | ACTION traps Oberon4278 under the floorboards! |
| 19:55.40 | Oberon4278 | I know, right? |
| 19:56.33 | SunSparc | ~ackbar |
| 19:56.33 | infobot | [ackbar] the one who always knows when it's a trap. |
| 19:57.06 | SunSparc | Oberon4278: Why would you want to move back to Utah? |
| 19:57.18 | Oberon4278 | Well... I might not, actually. |
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| 19:57.34 | SunSparc | You might not... want to? |
| 19:57.38 | Oberon4278 | But I *may* have a lead on a job that would be an absolute (as opposed to relative) raise from here. |
| 19:57.57 | Oberon4278 | And since I live in Boston, even staying at the same salary would be a relative raise if I moved to Utah. |
| 19:58.22 | SunSparc | Do you not like Boston? Or is it just too expensive to live there? |
| 19:58.53 | Oberon4278 | Also, my entire family is there now, and since I actually have a decent relationship with them these days (and my mother is terminally ill) it would be nice to be close to them. |
| 19:59.12 | Oberon4278 | No, I love Boston. And I really really really REALLY really did not like Utah. |
| 19:59.25 | SunSparc | Family is a good reason to move. I enjoy being closer to family. |
| 19:59.54 | SunSparc | The East coast is much greener and has more history and perhaps even more character. ;) |
| 20:00.01 | SunSparc | What did you NOT like about Utah? |
| 20:00.22 | Oberon4278 | Mormons. |
| 20:00.28 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:00.31 | Oberon4278 | And the culture that goes with them. |
| 20:00.35 | SunSparc | Yeah, there are a few of them here. |
| 20:00.36 | Oberon4278 | Which is why I love Boston. |
| 20:00.43 | Oberon4278 | Also, I like big cities. |
| 20:00.49 | Oberon4278 | And no, Salt Lake is not a big city. |
| 20:01.12 | Oberon4278 | But I also miss the mountains, and being able to drive five minutes and be in the middle of them. |
| 20:01.58 | SunSparc | There are beauty and things to enjoy where ever you go. |
| 20:02.48 | SunSparc | Mormon culture can indeed be annoying. |
| 20:03.08 | SunSparc | Perhaps try to convince family to move to Boston? Though you have probably tried that. |
| 20:03.29 | Oberon4278 | pff |
| 20:03.31 | Oberon4278 | there's no way |
| 20:03.55 | Oberon4278 | I literally do not know how many relatives I have in Utah |
| 20:04.07 | Oberon4278 | and that's just counting my siblings and their kids |
| 20:04.13 | Oberon4278 | ...and their grandkids |
| 20:04.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:04.24 | Oberon4278 | also like I said my mother is terminally ill |
| 20:04.51 | SunSparc | How about just an extended vacation/visit? Until she passes. |
| 20:05.03 | SunSparc | Make it a reunion. |
| 20:05.08 | SunSparc | Can you work remotely? |
| 20:05.48 | Oberon4278 | well, there's also the matter of the prospective job including a larger paycheck ;) |
| 20:06.13 | Oberon4278 | but yes, actually, I could move to a department in my current company where everyone works remotely |
| 20:06.52 | SunSparc | Yeah, well, money can surely be enticing. But moving from a place you love to a place you hate just for money is sure to breed discontent in your soul. |
| 20:07.13 | Oberon4278 | That's a good point. |
| 20:07.50 | SunSparc | There is much more to life and work than a paycheck. I have chosen to work with good people that I like over the possibility of good money. |
| 20:08.06 | Oberon4278 | Same. |
| 20:08.07 | SunSparc | It depends on your goals and priorities. |
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| 20:08.15 | Oberon4278 | But again, if I'm moving anyway, for reasons other than money |
| 20:08.31 | Oberon4278 | why not look into a better paying job? |
| 20:08.48 | SunSparc | Totally. |
| 20:09.17 | SunSparc | If you are already decided on moving, looking for a different job makes sense. |
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| 20:51.35 | mgeary | donât listen to SunSparc, heâs just trying to keep Utah all to himself |
| 21:00.56 | SunSparc | Muwahaha |
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| 21:27.11 | Chad | good afternoon uphpu |
| 21:28.17 | Chad | i am looking to hire an experienced PHP dev for a full time position |
| 21:29.41 | Chad | would anyone be able to recommend someone or yourself? or propose the place to find the experienced PHP devs of utah? |
| 21:30.12 | Chad | it has been very difficult finding experienced candidates so far, searching through recruiters for several months |
| 22:08.27 | mgeary | SunSparc: we just got back from San Diego. Had a great time |
| 22:09.06 | mgeary | Chad: this can be a good place for that. Thereâs a jobs mailing list, too |
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| 22:11.56 | Chad | do you know the jobs mailing list or who manages it? |
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| 22:15.58 | mgeary | Chad: http://www.uphpu.org/mailing-lists/ |
| 22:19.17 | Chad | mgeary: thanks |
| 22:19.36 | Chad | do you happen to have anyone to recommend for the position? |
| 22:20.34 | Chad | experienced php dev needed, magento is a big plus |
| 22:21.38 | Chad | http://www.uphpu.org/employment is a 404 |
| 22:22.33 | Chad | that was the referenced path for submitting a job posting on the mailing list pate |
| 22:22.34 | Chad | page |
| 22:23.29 | unum | people have been mailing directly to the main list lately, because of that issue |
| 22:23.32 | unum | so feel free to do that |
| 22:26.27 | Chad | thanks unum |
| 22:39.10 | josephscott | carmony: http://www.uphpu.org/employment is a 404 |
| 22:39.12 | josephscott | ^^ |
| 22:39.12 | SunSparc | ~magento |
| 22:39.38 | SunSparc | ~magento-- |
| 22:39.45 | SunSparc | ~karma magento |
| 22:39.45 | infobot | magento has karma of -3 |
| 22:40.08 | SunSparc | mgeary: Yeah we love it down there in sunny Southern California. |
| 22:40.26 | SunSparc | Chad: I do not know any PHP devs who are currently looking. |
| 22:41.17 | SunSparc | In fact, I really do not know of any devs who are looking. All the good devs already have good gigs. The market needs more good devs, since there is currently a shortage. |
| 22:41.32 | SunSparc | Good for devs, bad for employers. |
| 22:42.15 | SunSparc | You might need to scout out some CS majors at a local college and then train them up yourself. |
| 22:43.36 | SunSparc | infobot: Magento is a massive beast of a CMS/Shopping Cart that is very unwieldy |
| 22:43.36 | infobot | okay, SunSparc |
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| 23:17.19 | josephscott | BOOM! |
| 23:17.37 | josephscott | I love it when a solution finally gets found to an odd problem |
| 23:18.01 | SunSparc | ~congratulate josephscott |
| 23:18.01 | infobot | ACTION congratulates josephscott on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 23:25.43 | SunSparc | Is PHP dying? http://dominic-tancredi.com/posts/php-is-a-dying-language-a-rebuttal |