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| 17:41.06 | mgeary | anyone here use spamassassin? |
| 17:41.46 | mgeary | iâm trying to figure out if thereâs a way i can have it âlearnâ not just based on content, but can basically outright blacklist the sending IP address of a message i put in a âfrom_spammerâ directory |
| 17:42.16 | mgeary | iâve not been super impressed at itâs learning abilities thus far :/ |
| 17:45.05 | SunSparc | mgeary: If you know an IP address, you could just add it to the hosts.deny file. |
| 17:45.24 | mgeary | SunSparc: yes, but iâd rather have it learn this, and not have to crack open config files every time |
| 17:45.36 | mgeary | much easier to send the email to a dedicated server-side directory |
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| 17:46.40 | herlo | mgeary: rbls are nice, spf on dns is another way to go. Not sure spamassassin is the right place for that. Lots of MDAs out there. Also, consider postgrey or some greylisting tools. |
| 17:46.55 | SunSparc | Oh, you want to send an email with an IP in it and have it recognize that as an admin entry to the deny list? |
| 17:47.03 | SunSparc | rbls++ |
| 17:47.24 | herlo | mgeary: consider ham and spam emails, SA supports that. |
| 17:47.24 | SunSparc | greylisting++ |
| 17:47.32 | mgeary | i subscribe to zen.spamhaus.org |
| 17:47.48 | SunSparc | Yeah, SA is not really the place for IP addresses. |
| 17:47.57 | mgeary | herlo: what do you mean? iâve got a âlearn spamâ cron running for SA |
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| 17:54.53 | fungus | mgeary, SA learning is only for the bayes database, it doesn't learn anything else from the message. |
| 17:55.39 | fungus | You could create your own internal RBL that you populate yourself. |
| 17:56.12 | mgeary | is there an easy way to forward an email to a RBL that adds the sender IP? |
| 17:56.24 | fungus | write your own script... |
| 17:57.10 | fungus | not too hard, since you know the format of the Received header that your own MTA adds which contains the connecting IP. |
| 17:57.32 | mgeary | maybe, but i find it hard to believe thereâs not something like this already out there |
| 17:59.05 | fungus | maybe but it's a hard problem to generalize. Different MTAs use different Received headers that can be hard to parse generally. |
| 18:00.45 | fungus | I would recommend herlo's suggestion to use greylisting before venturing out with your own blacklist. much more effective. |
| 18:01.50 | mgeary | looking into postgrey |
| 18:02.01 | mgeary | iâm on centOS 5.1, but yum isnât finding it |
| 18:02.41 | fungus | But first evaluate if your business practices can tolerate it. Some people can't have emails being delayed. |
| 18:03.31 | mgeary | how long is the default delay? |
| 18:03.40 | fungus | It's up to the sender |
| 18:04.15 | fungus | Meaning you set a mandatory delay, but then you have to wait for the sender to retry. |
| 18:04.27 | herlo | mgeary: fungus: SA supports an email way of sending to spam@yourdomain when you get spam in your box, it can learn from it. |
| 18:04.38 | fungus | Most senders use an exponential backoff retry timer |
| 18:04.40 | herlo | or at least it did when I set it up last in 2012 |
| 18:04.45 | mgeary | herlo: but i want it to look at the sender IP, not just the content of the email |
| 18:05.10 | herlo | mgeary: I understand |
| 18:05.14 | mgeary | itâs pretty rare that a spamming IP sends a legitimate email, so i donât know why itâs not simpler to get there |
| 18:05.25 | herlo | mgeary: rbls for that... and greylisting has a triad of data it checks |
| 18:05.31 | herlo | ip, sender and time iirc. |
| 18:05.36 | fungus | If you have a tiny mandatory delay, like 30 sec. Most email may be delayed by up to 2-5 min |
| 18:05.44 | mgeary | herlo: yeah, just trying to find a rbl that i can actually submit to |
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| 21:15.10 | herlo | mgeary: a bunch have been removed, that's true. I have a short list that works if you want them. |
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