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| 18:15.03 | mgeary | anyone here have thoughts on homebrew versus macports? |
| 18:15.41 | mgeary | i’ve used macports in the past, but it seems homebrew might be a bit more aggressive at adding/maintaing packages... |
| 18:22.22 | fungus | I prefer brew for that very reason. ports seemed to me to be stale. |
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| 18:43.38 | beandog | homebrew drives me insane on how it really only works for one user |
| 18:43.47 | beandog | well, one user installing stuff |
| 18:44.09 | beandog | I'd use a ~/local/ prefix |
| 18:48.37 | fungus | Interesting point. I didn't think about that because I am the only user on my machines. |
| 18:49.14 | fungus | but ports and other are the same way from that perspective. or am I misunderstanding you? |
| 18:52.00 | tierra | beandog: yeah, that is kind of weird... wish it did work a little more like rvm/nvm/etc |
| 18:52.13 | tierra | (by default) |
| 18:52.25 | tierra | I guess fungus is saying you can make it work there too |
| 18:52.40 | beandog | fungus: homebrew installs all binaries as user foo |
| 18:52.41 | beandog | not root |
| 18:52.52 | beandog | so if user bar tries to install something via homebrew, all hell breaks loose |
| 18:53.09 | tierra | right, but if they go in ~/local, then user B can just install all of their own copies of whatever |
| 18:53.14 | beandog | right |
| 18:53.20 | beandog | that's the right way (IMO) to do it |
| 18:53.23 | fungus | oh, I see. That is a little strange |
| 18:53.32 | beandog | does /usr/local, so, system-wide by default ... everything owned by one user. |
| 18:54.33 | tierra | "However do yourself a favor and install to /usr/local. Some things may not build when installed elsewhere. One of the reasons Homebrew just works relative to the competition is because we recommend installing to /usr/local. Pick another prefix at your peril!" |
| 18:54.51 | tierra | ok, yeah, doesn't like that then I guess |
| 18:55.35 | beandog | yah |
| 18:55.57 | beandog | it works great, if you intend to have a single-user system |
| 18:56.06 | beandog | well, more than great, homebrew is awesome |
| 18:56.17 | beandog | I'm just not a fan of it's prefix ideas |
| 18:56.36 | beandog | I guess an easy workaround would to be just run it as root. *shrug* |
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| 19:10.19 | SunSparc | Then I found vagrant and now I just dev in Linux on my Mac. |
| 19:10.31 | SunSparc | Makes moving machines super easy. |
| 19:11.50 | herlo | and now coreos makes it even easier. clustered containers that fail over seemlessly. :) |
| 19:12.05 | herlo | coreos, etcd, systemd, and docker. A winning combination! |
| 19:19.26 | SunSparc | Yeah, we have been looking at Docker also. Espeically for some of our build process scenarios. |
| 19:19.51 | SunSparc | herlo: You probably saw this already: http://www.zdnet.com/after-linux-civil-war-ubuntu-to-adopt-systemd-7000026373/ |
| 19:20.28 | herlo | SunSparc: well, I knew systemd was going to be in ubuntu, yes. Didn't think it was a civil war or anything. |
| 19:20.44 | SunSparc | Hehe |
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| 19:47.18 | tierra | I still end up at least getting PHP setup along with all extensions using homebrew so I don't always have to go spin up my vagrant box for everything if I don't already have it running |
| 19:47.37 | tierra | and also, VirtualBox/Vagrant is still pretty slow in comparison |
| 19:48.11 | tierra | doing composer tasks for example is a little nicer on the host box |
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| 20:25.15 | beandog | ~ping mindjuju |
| 20:25.15 | infobot | pong mindjuju |
| 20:37.35 | tierra | man, Gentoo is down to like #50 on distrowatch |
| 20:37.43 | tierra | go figure, heh |
| 20:39.53 | beandog | distrowatch = meh |
| 20:42.15 | fungus | I remember when I build a few servers with Gentoo about 6 years ago. I regretted it after a few weeks. |
| 20:43.34 | fungus | It's great for a home hobby box, but requires too much effort and/or infrastructure to use in production. |
| 20:44.03 | herlo | tierra: with docker it's a simple 'docker run herlo/centos' or 'docker run herlo/myspecializedbox' and all is well. |
| 20:44.30 | herlo | tierra: makes it amazingly simple and I'm in the same terminal I invoked the command, but on a different machine. When I'm done, I type exit and move back to my shell. |
| 20:45.04 | fungus | I don't really understand docker, is it a virtual machine hypervisor, or a tool to automate VMs like vagrant? |
| 20:46.12 | beandog | fungus: yah, I'd actually agree |
| 20:46.19 | DexterTheDragon | it's a tool to automate LXC |
| 20:46.26 | beandog | fungus: I use them for servers though where I just need a snapshot setup, and do piece meal upgrades |
| 20:47.14 | fungus | DexterTheDragon, LXC? |
| 20:47.32 | DexterTheDragon | linux containers |
| 20:47.42 | fungus | oh, something like Solaris Zones or FreeBSD jails. |
| 20:47.44 | fungus | Interesting. |
| 20:48.28 | herlo | fungus: lxc is awesomeness |
| 20:48.40 | herlo | kernel based containers like virtuozzo or openvz |
| 20:49.07 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: it's more than a tool to automate lxc though. It does revisiion control of your containers, which if fucking amazing! |
| 20:50.24 | herlo | s/if/is/ |
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| 20:51.24 | herlo | the docker registry is also very useful for sharing your containers. |
| 20:51.34 | fungus | interesting. seems to be moving back to the old mainframe ideas where you run many apps on a single machine, while preserving today's idea of app separation. |
| 20:51.53 | herlo | fungus: to some extent, yes. |
| 20:52.07 | herlo | most industries are a bit cyclical like that, actually. |
| 20:52.22 | herlo | the tech industry isn't really different in that way. |
| 20:52.53 | fungus | yeah. Can the instances/apps be moved between different hardware on-the-fly? |
| 20:53.47 | herlo | fungus: you can start as many of the same image you like on different hardware, so 'yes' |
| 20:54.07 | herlo | fungus: migration is possible, but I'm not sure that's what you are asking. |
| 20:54.39 | fungus | ok, that could work, but you can't move a running app to other hardware without losing any connections/state. |
| 20:54.50 | herlo | I've been using coreos over the past few weeks. It integrates etcd, systemd, and docker into a minimal linux os to do cluster management of your containers (and anything else you want, really) |
| 20:54.51 | fungus | like you can with full virtualization. |
| 20:55.17 | herlo | fungus: so migrating from machine to machine? sure. I wasn't sure if you meant different types of architecture in the hardware. |
| 20:55.34 | fungus | nah, just machine to machine. |
| 20:55.37 | herlo | I can run lxc containers anywhere... |
| 20:55.45 | herlo | fungus: coreos does that beautifully. |
| 20:55.47 | fungus | That is my absolutely favorite feature of full virt. |
| 20:56.21 | herlo | fungus: in fact, it does it for you, no need to migrate. If a coreos node goes down, the docker instances stay up and just run on another node without any issue. |
| 20:56.40 | fungus | oohh, pretty. |
| 20:57.02 | herlo | fungus: yeah, I have 5 different libvirt clusters at work. a one-node, 3 two-nodes, and 1 five-node cluster. |
| 20:57.24 | herlo | fungus: check it out, you'll need to understand etcd. |
| 20:57.32 | herlo | that's the cluster management tool |
| 20:59.42 | fungus | sounds fun. |
| 21:00.17 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: now I'm going to need you to do a presentation on coreos and docker at OALUG |
| 21:01.15 | fungus | yeah, I'd even drive up for that. |
| 21:01.35 | tierra | herlo: docker might be slightly more efficient and faster, not saying that vagrant is super slow though - it boots up my box in under 10 seconds still, but depending on what all you have configured for vagrant for your app, it can get hairy and much slower |
| 21:02.26 | tierra | needless to say, in my case, what I need in my full vagrant environment is not anything "minimal", so sometimes it is just more convenient to run things natively |
| 21:03.11 | tierra | docker wouldn't be much faster in my case I think |
| 21:04.53 | tierra | so, at least when all I'm testing/developing/debugging is command line shells, it's either go boot vagrant/docker box taking up an additional 3GB or so of ram, or just run PHP from homebrew CLI |
| 21:05.02 | tierra | the latter is usually much more sane |
| 21:07.07 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: can do... |
| 21:07.17 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: will need a bit more time... |
| 21:07.31 | herlo | maybe in September or January something like that |
| 21:07.37 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: that's ok. I'm already booked this month :D |
| 21:08.08 | herlo | tierra: oh, I have nothing against vagrant overall, it's just that I tried to use it with kvm and it couldn't do it. That has been since implemented, however. |
| 21:08.36 | herlo | tierra: the cool thing about docker is it doesn't really take any extra ram. |
| 21:08.49 | herlo | the kernel module is *extremely* lightweight. |
| 21:08.57 | herlo | I doubt it would even hit 1GB |
| 21:10.21 | herlo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXk2AbdTe68 <-- I want to do this! |
| 21:25.41 | beandog | http://imgur.com/mI8Xncl |
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| 21:40.16 | beandog | pwgen -c -n -y -s -B -v 128 1 |
| 21:40.35 | beandog | never forget your password again! |
| 21:40.37 | beandog | or remember it. |
| 21:41.33 | herlo | whee |
| 21:44.47 | beandog | ^5 herlo |
| 21:44.52 | beandog | brotherhood of the passwords |
| 21:48.43 | herlo | beandog: I personally use apg -m 128 -a 1 |
| 21:52.05 | fungus | I personally use: sort -R /usr/share/dict/words | head -n 1 |
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| 21:52.12 | herlo | lol |
| 21:55.43 | beandog | wait whut |
| 21:56.53 | fungus | dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=128 |
| 21:57.09 | herlo | fungus: lol |
| 21:57.10 | beandog | heh |
| 21:57.13 | fungus | never forget, remember, or be able to type your password again. |
| 21:57.24 | beandog | /dev/zero would be better |
| 21:57.37 | herlo | fungus: use dd if=/dev/random bs=1 count=128 instead. Just wait a while.... |
| 21:57.47 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:57.54 | beandog | cat /dev/random | aplay - |
| 22:00.18 | herlo | just run |
| 22:00.19 | herlo | rngd -r /dev/urandom -o /dev/random -f -t 1 |
| 22:00.34 | herlo | watch -n 1 cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 22:00.39 | herlo | see what happens. :) |
| 22:00.44 | herlo | rngd is amazing! |
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| 22:04.22 | herlo | fungus: you may actually be able to help me with this routing issue I've been having. Do you have a few minutes? |
| 22:04.42 | fungus | sure |
| 22:04.44 | herlo | I posted it yesterday... |
| 22:04.50 | herlo | let me see if I can find the logs... |
| 22:04.51 | herlo | ~logs |
| 22:04.51 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23uphpu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 22:05.21 | JacobEdmondKerr | K guys get this. My server has available RAM and CPU but it is still bogging down. I mean the server bogging down when everything is tapped out makes sense but when there is available CPU and RAM and the network resources show available resources why in the world is it bogging down!!!??? |
| 22:05.49 | mindjuju | if apache, then you need to up your max settings |
| 22:06.04 | JacobEdmondKerr | It is running on IIS :'( |
| 22:06.17 | mindjuju | oh, even easier, IIS is your prob ;) |
| 22:06.18 | JacobEdmondKerr | But that is a good idea maybe I can up the max allowed RAM or something? |
| 22:06.25 | JacobEdmondKerr | I know heh. |
| 22:06.30 | fungus | Could also be IO on your disk. |
| 22:06.41 | mindjuju | i haven't touched IIS since 7.1 IIRC |
| 22:06.46 | mindjuju | it might have been 6 |
| 22:07.04 | mindjuju | the one that came with win2k3 |
| 22:08.06 | fungus | herlo, 10.30.100.1 needs to know about it, or it's default route must get it one more step closer. |
| 22:08.32 | JacobEdmondKerr | K I'm going to look into the IO on my disk and also upping the allowed RAM |
| 22:09.03 | herlo | fungus: yeah, so you found it |
| 22:09.14 | herlo | fungus: what about stunnel or something of a vpn solution. |
| 22:09.31 | beandog | mindjuju: \o/ |
| 22:09.41 | herlo | fungus: 10.30.100.1 doesn't have an IP in that range. Can I add it anyway? |
| 22:09.46 | fungus | That could work, but might be a bit fragile. |
| 22:09.56 | herlo | that's okay, it's a staging environment |
| 22:09.57 | fungus | Just add a static route on it. |
| 22:10.00 | mindjuju | o.O |
| 22:10.45 | herlo | fungus: what would the route look like? |
| 22:10.50 | fungus | route add -net 10.30.150.0/24 gw 10.30.0.40 |
| 22:11.13 | fungus | or something like that. |
| 22:11.18 | herlo | yeah, okay. I wa sthinking similarly. |
| 22:11.24 | herlo | now to get the boss to buy in on it... |
| 22:12.00 | fungus | Don't forget routing in the other direction too. Unless your default route will work too |
| 22:12.02 | herlo | fungus: the main thing would be that I'd just restrict most everything but ssh access and only open holes on a case-by-case basis. But I think this is the right approach, unless I do stunnel or openvpn or somehting. |
| 22:12.28 | herlo | fungus: default route should work back, but yeah, considering that too... |
| 22:13.10 | beandog | mindjuju: http://imgur.com/ODcGCSQ |
| 22:14.14 | mindjuju | beandog: where'd you get that from? |
| 22:14.20 | beandog | you |
| 22:14.48 | fungus | herlo, just remember to make sure any static routes you add with "route add" are also programmed to be added at boot too. |
| 22:15.07 | mindjuju | and make routes persistant |
| 22:15.14 | fungus | assuming this router is linux. |
| 22:15.15 | mindjuju | beandog :) |
| 22:16.16 | fungus | And check if you have any FORWARD rules in your iptables that might block it as well. |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | ~karma fungus |
| 22:17.36 | infobot | fungus has karma of 123 |
| 22:17.45 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 22:18.12 | beandog | ~karma mindjuju |
| 22:18.12 | infobot | mindjuju has karma of 67 |
| 22:18.17 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 22:18.17 | infobot | beandog has karma of 43 |
| 22:18.19 | beandog | woots |
| 22:18.30 | beandog | by our powers combined, we're still not as cool as fungus |
| 22:19.10 | mindjuju | fungus has nearly achieved transcendence or nirvana or what ever the guru evolves into when they go beyond |
| 22:19.24 | fungus | great, now I have the Captain Planet theme song stuck in my head. |
| 22:19.42 | beandog | lol |
| 22:19.47 | beandog | my work here is done. |
| 22:19.49 | mindjuju | o?O |
| 22:20.34 | fungus | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvjAmzLJCA |
| 22:21.04 | beandog | I've never seen the show |
| 22:21.30 | fungus | "by your powers combined, I am Captain Planet ..." |
| 22:21.41 | beandog | well I know that part |
| 22:21.44 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:21.50 | mindjuju | i never saw captain planet |
| 22:22.03 | mindjuju | i mean, i know what it is, but i never watched it |
| 22:22.08 | beandog | same |
| 22:22.50 | fungus | Not a particularly great cartoon, but a very addictive theme song. |
| 22:23.48 | beandog | you should watch Teen Turbo instead. |
| 22:23.53 | beandog | or is it Turbo Teen. |
| 22:23.57 | beandog | the spin-off. |
| 22:24.28 | mindjuju | i'm thinking of picking up teen titans Go! |
| 22:24.33 | mindjuju | i hear its funny |
| 22:24.38 | beandog | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0weBatz9Wg |
| 22:31.30 | herlo | fungus: right. |
| 22:31.46 | herlo | fungus: waiting to hear back on whether I can do what I want from the boss, thanks! |
| 22:32.20 | fungus | Why did you choose a separate subnet on your vm host instead of using a bridge? |
| 22:32.58 | herlo | fungus: it's on a bridge |
| 22:33.18 | herlo | fungus: but we need it to be separate from the rest of the production network. no vlan separation is available there. |
| 22:33.26 | fungus | ah, I see. |
| 22:33.38 | herlo | if I could do vlan separation, it wouldn't be an issue at all. |
| 22:48.30 | JacobEdmondKerr | So if all the PHP pages on a website are bogged down could it be the code on one page effecting all PHP pages for all users??? |
| 22:49.15 | JacobEdmondKerr | I'm talking to my boss and he thinks it's the code but if it was simply the code then why would all PHP pages be bogging down? |
| 22:55.30 | beandog | are you running mysql? |
| 22:55.49 | beandog | are you logging php errors? |
| 22:56.28 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yes |
| 22:56.41 | beandog | check your MySQL error logs |
| 22:57.06 | beandog | How heavily does your site hit the database? |
| 22:59.12 | JacobEdmondKerr | pretty heavy and the database is huge. |
| 22:59.22 | beandog | that's probably the bottleneck |
| 22:59.26 | JacobEdmondKerr | And one thing is coldfusion on the server will work well while PHP is slow. |
| 22:59.37 | JacobEdmondKerr | That would slow down coldfusion as well right? |
| 23:00.04 | fungus | only if your coldfusion app hits the same database |
| 23:00.30 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah it does. |
| 23:00.58 | beandog | I would look at your database queries |
| 23:01.00 | JacobEdmondKerr | So coldfusion runs well but PHP is slow do you think that means it's code even with pages with just something as simple as phpinfo() |
| 23:01.04 | beandog | check for missing indexes, etc. |
| 23:01.13 | beandog | maybe you just need database cleanup |
| 23:01.17 | beandog | get some good keys in there |
| 23:01.38 | beandog | Does PHP pages that don't hit the db come up slow? |
| 23:01.41 | beandog | like, just a phpinfo() page |
| 23:01.48 | fungus | If a phpinfo() page is also slow, then it's not the database. |
| 23:01.53 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah |
| 23:01.54 | beandog | right |
| 23:01.58 | JacobEdmondKerr | phpinfo is just as slow |
| 23:02.03 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:02.06 | beandog | check your PHP error logs then |
| 23:02.10 | JacobEdmondKerr | so for some reason all PHP process run slow sometimes. |
| 23:03.23 | JacobEdmondKerr | So you think PHP errors on a seperate page would slow down a process on another page on the site? |
| 23:03.32 | beandog | no |
| 23:03.33 | fungus | If all php pages are slow, and static pages are not slow. then you need to debug the IIS <-> PHP crud |
| 23:03.55 | beandog | but checking error logs first is *always* best practice |
| 23:04.01 | JacobEdmondKerr | So you think it's something I may need to fix server side or in my code? |
| 23:04.30 | fungus | If it affects *all* php pages, including a hello world page. Then it's not your code. |
| 23:04.38 | JacobEdmondKerr | I really would like a good way to explain to my employer that it's not in the code. |
| 23:09.59 | JacobEdmondKerr | So I restart IIS and everything is running really fast then something will happen Im not sure what and PHP will bog down again site wide. |