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| 17:03.34 | josephscott | wow, got some snow on the ground this morning |
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| 17:21.22 | ninnypants | josephscott: we must not be high enough up we only had rain |
| 17:21.52 | josephscott | I was surprised to see snow in my yard this morning |
| 17:22.03 | josephscott | I didn't even think it was going to rain :-) |
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| 17:35.55 | SunSparc | Yep, saw some snow out my window at work not too long ago. :( |
| 17:38.45 | ninnypants | SunSparc: how's the new kiddo? |
| 17:40.14 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Cute! :) |
| 17:40.23 | SunSparc | She is doing very well. How is yours? |
| 17:41.21 | ninnypants | good we even manage to get him to sleep through the night sometimes |
| 17:51.29 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Congrats! That is a nice step. :) |
| 17:52.13 | ninnypants | yeah too bad the 2yo still doesn't do it consistantly |
| 17:53.16 | SunSparc | Haha! Sorry brother. That can be frustrating. |
| 17:53.38 | SunSparc | Have you considered a tablespoon of rum for the child before bed? |
| 17:53.40 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 18:08.10 | ninnypants | SunSparc: maybe we should just start making him hot totties before bed ;) |
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| 19:10.46 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Now you are talking. :) |
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| 20:01.27 | jsmith | SunSparc: It's a trap |
| 20:01.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:02.06 | SunSparc | But is it a GOOD trap? |
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| 20:26.48 | undertakingyou | carmony: ping |
| 20:26.54 | carmony | undertakingyou: pong |
| 20:29.51 | josephscott | SunSparc: all databases are traps :-) |
| 20:35.19 | SunSparc | josephscott: I'll buy that. |
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| 21:17.56 | josephscott | $lart XML |
| 21:17.56 | tobcri | rm -rf's XML. |
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| 21:22.32 | mgeary | josephscott: that's like larting carbon |
| 21:22.45 | mgeary | or did you mean, $lart bad XML ? ;) |
| 21:23.14 | herlo | thus your statement is redundant and useless. :) |
| 21:23.24 | mgeary | psh |
| 21:23.35 | jnbek | I like to refer to xml as pig puke... but that's probably just me ;-) |
| 21:24.56 | herlo | asciidoc, yaml, json, rst, markdown and about 10 others I can think of, plus a million I can't, that are WAY better than xml as a format. |
| 21:25.30 | josephscott | mgeary: unfortunately all XML at this point :-( |
| 21:26.51 | josephscott | XML has too many features, too easy to get into really, really bad trouble |
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| 21:29.21 | mgeary | yeah, but then it's "bad XML" ;) |
| 21:29.58 | mgeary | but yes, i am all in favor of replacing XML with e.g. JSON. Just did that for a client's API. Every time you eliminate a SOAP interface, and angel gets its wings |
| 21:30.01 | josephscott | that would circle back to herlo's statement, all XML is bad XML |
| 21:30.11 | josephscott | ug, SOAP |
| 21:30.20 | mgeary | *an angel |
| 21:30.52 | josephscott | SOAP is exercise in taking something scary ( XML ) and making it even worse |
| 21:30.54 | herlo | :) |
| 21:31.06 | mgeary | no arguments there |
| 21:31.13 | herlo | SOAP is worse than xml by far, too! |
| 21:31.33 | herlo | unless it's soap to clean my body, I won't use it. :) |
| 21:41.20 | SunSparc | ~JSON++ |
| 21:41.32 | SunSparc | ~karma json |
| 21:41.32 | infobot | json has karma of 1 |
| 21:41.42 | SunSparc | ~karma xml |
| 21:41.42 | infobot | xml has karma of -1 |
| 21:44.15 | SunSparc | ~XML |
| 21:44.15 | infobot | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems. |
| 21:45.08 | SunSparc | infobot: What is xml? |
| 21:45.08 | infobot | XML is like violence: if it's not working, you aren't using enough of it. |
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| 21:50.58 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Perhaps next year OpenWest could include Go. |
| 21:54.21 | herlo | SunSparc: perhaps someone could submit a talk on Go and I bet it would have been. :) |
| 21:54.57 | eggyknap | Yeah, so OpenWest is in two weeks or so, isn't it... |
| 21:55.04 | eggyknap | Time to finish those slides... |
| 21:56.05 | SunSparc | herlo: Yes, I considered it. Perhaps next time. I am really enjoying Go. Just got back from GopherCon. |
| 21:56.07 | herlo | eggyknap: indeed. |
| 21:56.17 | herlo | eggyknap: same here on slides |
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| 22:07.53 | macnewbold | ~josephscott++ |
| 22:08.29 | josephscott | macnewbold: not an XML fan then? ;-) |
| 22:08.41 | macnewbold | nor soap |
| 22:08.52 | macnewbold | the fact that the S was supposed to be "Simple" blows my mind |
| 22:08.53 | SunSparc | ~clean macnewbold |
| 22:08.54 | infobot | ACTION nukes macnewbold's room and says to macnewbold: Und zie problem is solved |
| 22:08.54 | eggyknap | herlo: well, I'm about 3/4 of the way done with the slides for the short talk... :) |
| 22:09.48 | Bikerdan | You can add another down vote for SOAP here. |
| 22:10.53 | SunSparc | ~karma soap |
| 22:10.53 | infobot | soap has karma of -4 |
| 22:10.54 | josephscott | agree, really bad use of the term simple |
| 22:12.05 | Bikerdan | Convoluted Object Access Protocol would have been better. |
| 22:13.10 | macnewbold | Convoluted Result Access Protocol |
| 22:13.17 | macnewbold | then the acronym works |
| 22:13.23 | Bikerdan | Luv it. |
| 22:13.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:17.44 | josephscott | Lame Access Microsoft Expression |
| 22:18.59 | SunSparc | Oooh, recursive acronym |
| 22:19.47 | herlo | eggyknap: mine is about 1/4 done for a 40 minute talk. |
| 22:24.27 | macnewbold | wait, you guys started on your OpenWest slides already? |
| 22:24.34 | macnewbold | i thought we were all waiting until next week? |
| 22:28.34 | hhatfield | that’s why I’m not presenting this week |
| 22:28.50 | hhatfield | s/week/year |
| 22:29.34 | hhatfield | I have a work offsite the same week and I knew I wouldn’t have a free evening to throw something together :) |
| 22:30.42 | macnewbold | yeah, planning in advance never occurs to me either... |
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