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| 16:03.47 | mgeary | is anyone else having issues connecting to Google chat? |
| 16:05.02 | jsmith | mgeary: I'm having problems connecting to several Google services today, but I'm pretty sure it's my ISP |
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| 16:28.28 | mgeary | our whole office can't connect go GChat. Bah |
| 16:28.32 | mgeary | *to |
| 16:29.12 | cro | We can't seem to get to our files in Drive |
| 16:31.33 | T4rku5 | gchat has been giving me problems all weekend |
| 16:31.35 | peno | happening here as well |
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| 17:22.57 | romanovic | mgeary: i've had problems all morning too |
| 17:23.15 | romanovic | http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&sid=3&iid=9cb1a82cdfa9e2ce88ca138c4af8915d |
| 17:33.21 | T4rku5 | http://thehackernews.com/2014/03/google-public-dns-server-traffic.html |
| 17:35.04 | carmony | I can't get on google chat |
| 17:35.07 | carmony | for my Google Apps account |
| 17:35.13 | carmony | Hangouts were having problems this morning |
| 17:36.46 | T4rku5 | their DNS has been hacked |
| 17:38.15 | herlo | T4rku5: yeah, I saw that too. |
| 17:38.24 | herlo | 8.8.8.8 has been having issues for a few days now. |
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| 20:17.16 | Ajhalls | Hello guys |
| 20:17.37 | JacobEdmondKerr | Hey guys what is a good PHP framework? I'm opening my own company and would like to be able to do rapid development using a good framework. |
| 20:17.58 | Ajhalls | What does your website need to do? |
| 20:18.19 | JacobEdmondKerr | I will be using it for my clients so everything. |
| 20:19.24 | Ajhalls | You mean like you need Streaming media, conferencing, chat, forums, quizzes, FTP, 3d models |
| 20:19.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | I can do it all without a framework but I want to be able to get projects done quickly and still have a great code base, security, organization, unit testing, error reporting etc. etc. |
| 20:19.36 | Ajhalls | Everything is very encompasing |
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| 20:20.11 | Ajhalls | http://www.sitepoint.com/best-php-frameworks-2014/ |
| 20:20.33 | JacobEdmondKerr | Thanks man :) |
| 20:21.05 | JacobEdmondKerr | A frameword is the way to go for rapid development right? |
| 20:21.26 | Ajhalls | Could be, depends on where you want to go |
| 20:21.53 | Ajhalls | For example, you could build a forum using a framework, but it would be faster to download vBulletin |
| 20:21.57 | JacobEdmondKerr | $$ is where I want to go with high quality products. |
| 20:22.03 | JacobEdmondKerr | services* |
| 20:22.06 | Ajhalls | or wordpress, or drupal... |
| 20:22.43 | JacobEdmondKerr | Something like squarespace for smaller clients is a bad idea? What do you think? |
| 20:23.14 | Ajhalls | Wordpress |
| 20:23.16 | JacobEdmondKerr | Thinking RackSpace for hosting... |
| 20:23.31 | JacobEdmondKerr | Yeah I have a lot of experience with wordpress I think you're right about that one. |
| 20:27.44 | JacobEdmondKerr | When is the meeting? |
| 20:28.24 | JacobEdmondKerr | Wait was it on the 26 :'( whoopsy I missed that one. |
| 20:29.25 | josephscott | JacobEdmondKerr: ninnypants leads that meetup |
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| 20:31.27 | JacobEdmondKerr | How is WordPress for e-commerce now? |
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| 20:38.29 | T4rku5 | Ok, I have a question, and I seek your opinions -- |
| 20:39.22 | T4rku5 | If you were going to buy a software package, some solution thing, and when you got it, you found it was 50% original code and 50% prepackaged libraries (some 40 different libraries), would you be ok with that? |
| 20:40.01 | josephscott | JacobEdmondKerr: woocommerce seems to have the momentum right now. I've not used it though, so don't have a specific recommendation |
| 20:41.21 | JacobEdmondKerr | K, thanks man. I'm thinking if I go the wordpress route I would prob find a good shopping cart outside of WordPress if needed. I remember trying serveral shopping carts for WordPress in the past and having a grip of problems. |
| 20:45.17 | mgeary | i have a couple of clients using Woocommerce. Seems to work well enough for them |
| 20:47.36 | JacobEdmondKerr | Sweet I'm going to check it out for sure. |
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| 20:51.54 | JacobEdmondKerr | So I guess the final question if I do not have much to invest right now do you think RackSpace is the way to go for hosing? Something I could use for all of my clients websites? |
| 20:57.45 | JacobEdmondKerr | hosting* |
| 20:59.59 | jsmith | JacobEdmondKerr: That really depends on what you're looking for. But I'm obviously biased, as I work for another hosting company. |
| 21:02.27 | Ajhalls | Personally dreamhost has been my favorite, I spend about $2000 on hosting with other companies, but dreamhost has the best administrative panel in the business far as I am concerned. You can get your stuff off the ground with them, and when they are profitable and need more power, point the DNS over but you can keep your control panel there. |
| 21:04.44 | unum | JacobEdmondKerr: I love my vps, I thought it would be temporary but it's just so convience I'll probably keep it forever |
| 21:06.30 | Ajhalls | You can do a LOT with VPS, it wasn't till I needed more OS control that I stepped away to dedicated |
| 21:06.49 | Ajhalls | But 90% of developers won't run into those issues |
| 21:07.34 | JacobEdmondKerr | So this is the way to go you think? http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/vps/ |
| 21:07.58 | unum | there's also bluehost, c7, and the one I use linode |
| 21:08.13 | unum | you may want to do a price comparison |
| 21:08.21 | unum | Ajhalls: what couldn't you do with vps? |
| 21:09.08 | cro | JacobEdmondKerr: Rackspace is kind of expensive. You might check out Digital Ocean, Linode, or RAM Host |
| 21:09.23 | Ajhalls | I do VOD media delivery with Wowza which is a java server. On the VPS it would run, but crash as more resources were used. We did a lot of troubleshooting, but the problem just went away when I moved to dedicated |
| 21:09.24 | JacobEdmondKerr | Cool thanks man! |
| 21:09.47 | tierra | you might really want to research reseller options too if you're talking about client sites... could help simplify control/billing for you |
| 21:10.09 | Ajhalls | I have 6 servers in different parts of the world, each does around 25TB of bandwidth |
| 21:10.31 | Ajhalls | So at some point you just kind of outgrow VPS in this business |
| 21:10.38 | tierra | Ajhalls: that's just called ignoring the real problem: Java :P |
| 21:10.56 | tierra | "tossing hardware at the problem" |
| 21:10.59 | tierra | hehe |
| 21:11.18 | Ajhalls | Yes, but you only have so many choices, Adobe Flash Server is also java |
| 21:11.58 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.58 | Ajhalls | there are some new ones that aren't, but 5 years ago there weren't a lot of choices |
| 21:12.19 | unum | that linode link has my referral code so if you use it I get a free month :) |
| 21:12.39 | JacobEdmondKerr | Cool man if I signup I will use that link. |
| 21:12.58 | unum | thanks :) |
| 21:14.15 | unum | ya once you get a certain size I see how it would make more sense to do dedicated |
| 21:14.36 | unum | I've been looking more at PaaS solutions, and have accepted that the definately have their place |
| 21:14.46 | unum | some of those are even free |
| 21:14.50 | JacobEdmondKerr | But Digital Ocean is looking good. |
| 21:16.12 | tierra | lately, I've been looking at most PaaS solutions as what they are - very specific and specialized cloud provisioning systems, and the part that bugs me lately with them is that they aren't flexible |
| 21:16.34 | tierra | it might be perfect for 90% of what you need, but that other 10% is a huge pain in the neck |
| 21:17.23 | Ajhalls | Anyone here a vbulletin guru? |
| 21:18.08 | tierra | They're often like twice the cost of just implementing your (highly flexible because you built it) auto-scaling scripts that use your custom configuration management tools (puppet, salt, chef, etc) |
| 21:18.47 | tierra | and in the latter case, that remaining 10% is simple because it's your system, not someone else's |
| 21:20.22 | tierra | also, they're almost always locked into one hosting vendor :/ |
| 21:22.34 | tierra | If you use Heroku, you don't have much choice but to put up with AWS for example, but if you're using OpenStack, you're pretty flexible with hosting vendors too |
| 21:23.46 | unum | ya I remember them talking about openstack on the list a while back |
| 21:24.05 | unum | it looked like they tried very hard to address those grievences |
| 21:24.23 | unum | git deployment, choice of languages, etc |
| 21:24.31 | unum | google app engine gives you a few languages |
| 21:24.46 | unum | I don't think it offers postgresql :( |
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