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| 02:11.17 | unum | so do we get to bad mouth all the people who aren't on irc? |
| 02:11.27 | unum | especially their text editor choice |
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| 02:46.13 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 02:46.13 | tobcri | declares Heartsbane a moron. |
| 02:47.09 | herlo | lol |
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| 15:26.22 | hhatfield | $rlart |
| 15:26.22 | tobcri | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking opapo_'s head off. |
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| 16:10.45 | carmony | lol |
| 16:10.49 | carmony | Good morning |
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| 16:11.20 | carmony | macnewbold: ping |
| 16:13.41 | josephscott | $8ball is carmony looking to get back into the top lol spot? |
| 16:13.41 | tobcri | josephscott: Don't count on it. |
| 16:13.48 | carmony | whew |
| 16:13.53 | carmony | I don't want back on that list |
| 16:13.55 | carmony | ~lolstats |
| 16:13.55 | infobot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 5763. Top 3: TuxToaster -- 1182 (20.5%), herlo -- 681 (11.8%), SunSparc -- 634 (11.0%) |
| 16:15.01 | peno | sure you do |
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| 18:08.48 | SunSparc | infobot: What is Friday? |
| 18:08.50 | infobot | SunSparc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:09.13 | SunSparc | ~friday infobot |
| 18:09.13 | infobot | ACTION locks infobot in Friday forever, Groundhog's Day style |
| 18:09.41 | SunSparc | ~Friday is Friday |
| 18:09.41 | infobot | ACTION locks is Friday in Friday forever, Groundhog's Day style |
| 18:09.50 | SunSparc | ~Friday |
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| 18:31.17 | jsmith | UtahDave: Food is a good idea :-) |
| 18:31.32 | mgeary | elevensies? |
| 18:31.52 | UtahDave | yup! |
| 18:31.54 | mgeary | gotta watch that carb intake, uphpu |
| 18:32.57 | UtahDave | jsmith: tierra was joking last night that #uphpu constitutes about 50% of his communication/contact with his boss. :) |
| 18:34.04 | jsmith | UtahDave: That's probably more true than I should admit in public. That being said, I hope he still thinks I'm a pretty cool boss :-) |
| 18:34.28 | UtahDave | Yes, he spoke highly of you. |
| 18:34.32 | jsmith | mgeary: elevensies? Shoot, it's after 1:30 here :-p |
| 18:35.26 | jsmith | mgeary: Waiting for a meeting with *my* boss.... but looks like he might not show |
| 18:38.24 | macnewbold | carmony: pong |
| 18:39.33 | macnewbold | brb |
| 18:40.17 | tierra | jsmith: yes, very much so :) |
| 18:41.20 | carmony | $lart Heartsbane |
| 18:41.20 | tobcri | installs a bad bootloader on Heartsbane and turns Heartsbane into a brick. |
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| 18:46.57 | tierra | jsmith: I imagine it's close to about how working for GitHub is like really... they love to point out how no-one working there even has a manager/boss, though I'm sure they all still have someone they ultimately report to |
| 18:48.06 | jsmith | tierra: Well, I have to say -- I try to be a good boss -- give you the tools you need, stay out of your way, and not micro-manage. With your position, it's easy to manage, because I can see everything you do in public :-) |
| 18:48.18 | tierra | indeed |
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| 19:18.51 | josephscott | looks like everyone using composer should be upgrading, now - http://blog.astrumfutura.com/2014/02/composer-downloading-random-code-is-not-a-security-vulnerability/ |
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| 19:19.53 | josephscott | apparently the recommendation is to NOT run composer in build systems |
| 19:20.03 | josephscott | where build == automated |
| 19:29.31 | jsmith | josephscott: Yikes! |
| 19:30.19 | josephscott | yeah, fun times. perhaps my suggestion that all code you run in production needs to be in your own source control doesn't look so bad now |
| 19:30.33 | tierra | no-one has ever claimed that Composer supported signed packages... in fact, PEAR never had it either (PEAR 2 has plans to support it, but also doesn't yet either) |
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| 19:32.08 | jsmith | josephscott: So, remind me again when WP is going to move to composer :-p |
| 19:32.19 | jsmith | Oops, forgot my <sarcasm> tags :-p |
| 19:32.21 | josephscott | jsmith: ask tierra, he has been pushing for it :-) |
| 19:32.57 | tierra | I've been pushing for a bare composer package file definition, nothing about that patch actually installs deps for WP |
| 19:33.09 | tierra | it doesn't even define any deps, not even PHPUNit |
| 19:33.29 | tierra | others have been pushing for at least that as well |
| 19:33.30 | jsmith | tierra: Fair enough :-) |
| 19:33.51 | tierra | so anyone that actually wants to install WP from composer can, but we still wouldn't be using it for core |
| 19:34.22 | tierra | I didn't even open the ticket :) https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23912 |
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| 19:35.23 | josephscott | wouldn't that encourage people to use a mechanism that might install a fork of WP instead of the real WP? |
| 19:35.50 | tierra | it's basically acknowledging that Composer exists, and giving devs the choice to use it, but not pushing anything in core to force it's use |
| 19:36.55 | josephscott | it a mechanism is know to have weakness that involve downloading the wrong files, I wouldn't want to encourage people to use it |
| 19:37.05 | josephscott | s/know/known/ |
| 19:37.10 | tierra | you should check out some of those other patches though... man... those guys went crazy with it... custom installer overriding default behaviors for installation paths, etc... |
| 19:37.27 | josephscott | yeah, I was looking at some of the patches on that ticket |
| 19:37.35 | josephscott | so much for baby steps :-) |
| 19:39.43 | tierra | we have been looking at signed WP.org packages for plugins and themes btw... it's complicated though, and very likely not possible based on WP's broad support for servers lacking basic functionality like OpenSSL for example |
| 19:40.15 | josephscott | yeah, have a hard enough time just validating TLS certs |
| 19:40.49 | tierra | yeah, that too |
| 19:42.40 | tierra | 12:35 <@josephscott> wouldn't that encourage people to use a mechanism that might install a fork of WP instead of the real WP? |
| 19:43.16 | tierra | ^ you could say similar things WRT the plugin/theme updaters... they guess what WP.org plugin/theme to install based on heuristics |
| 19:43.46 | tierra | so yeah, it's really not much better than this Composer situation you're concerned about |
| 19:44.03 | josephscott | the name space for plugins and themes is pretty much set, can't just automatically assume control of an existing theme/plugin |
| 19:44.41 | josephscott | with Packagist apparently you can |
| 19:44.43 | tierra | sure you can, I've done it before mixing non-WP.org plugins/themes when they have similar slugs/names to WP.org versions |
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| 19:45.22 | josephscott | using the built in plugin upgrade mechanism? |
| 19:45.41 | tierra | and I even just stumbled across that accidentally myself... wasn't trying to do it on purpose, but WP all the sudden thought I had an update to a plugin, but it wasn't even the same plugin |
| 19:46.04 | tierra | it happens |
| 19:46.06 | josephscott | that comparison is like saying all code is vulnerable because a dev can download something from the Internet, there are limits to what I expect tools to do and not do |
| 19:46.46 | josephscott | oh now that would be interesting |
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| 19:47.20 | josephscott | perhaps the code for matching has changed on WPORG then since I looked at it, because there shouldn't be a way to do trick a non-matching plugin |
| 19:47.31 | tierra | well, WP has been talking about those updates happening automatically even, but with that Composer situation, you still have to actually run update/install (if you did setup an automated deploy process) |
| 19:47.48 | tierra | s/if/unless |
| 19:49.10 | tierra | it makes perfect sense though... not a single plugin/theme has any unique identifier short of it's slug, and those aren't unique... |
| 19:49.25 | tierra | they're unique to WP.org, but not to WordPress |
| 19:49.48 | josephscott | right, that is what I said, the namespace for WPORG is set |
| 19:50.28 | tierra | that really doesn't matter though because WP.org isn't the iOS App Store... WordPress installations aren't restricted to *only* installing plugins/themes from WP.org |
| 19:50.29 | josephscott | but if the matching isn't tight, as you said happened in one case, then that should be fixed |
| 19:51.13 | tierra | there's no possible way to fix it except to introduce unique and registered IDs for plugins/themes, and that's not going to happen |
| 19:52.12 | josephscott | "WP all the sudden thought I had an update to a plugin, but it wasn't even the same plugin" |
| 19:52.18 | josephscott | that seems fixable |
| 19:53.05 | tierra | oh, I've looked at it extensively... that is a big concern... but that's way out of my power or control to do something about it, and really, the options are limited even if I had that power |
| 19:53.32 | tierra | it rarely happens though, and that seems to be "good enough" for the core team |
| 19:54.24 | tierra | they chuck that up to plugin developer and/or user error... just tell the dev/user to fix (i.e. rename) their plugins so it doesn't happen again |
| 19:55.12 | josephscott | hmmmm, that doesn't sound great |
| 19:55.30 | tierra | fair enough considering the alternative involves adding all sorts of crazy limitations, access control, and as we mentioned before, package signing to really lock it down |
| 19:56.15 | tierra | that's not really "the WP way" to do things |
| 20:52.31 | josephscott | $lart wiki syntax |
| 20:52.33 | tobcri | whips out a hot glue gun and makes sure that wiki syntax is stuck to the floor. |
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| 21:04.30 | hhatfield | ~LoLstats |
| 21:04.30 | infobot | total count of LoL on #uphpu: 11. Top 3: mahelious -- 6 (54.5%), captbrogers -- 4 (36.4%), Skinner -- 1 (9.1%) |
| 21:04.37 | hhatfield | ~Lolstats |
| 21:04.37 | infobot | total count of Lol on #uphpu: 8. Top 3: SunSparc -- 5 (62.5%), captbrogers -- 1 (12.5%), fungus -- 1 (12.5%) |
| 21:04.43 | hhatfield | ~loLstats |
| 21:04.43 | infobot | total count of loL on #uphpu: 9. Top 2: hhatfield -- 8 (88.9%), Skinner -- 1 (11.1%) |
| 21:04.57 | hhatfield | I knew I was on there somewhere |
| 21:05.02 | hhatfield | ~jar me |
| 21:05.02 | infobot | hhatfield took the cookie from the cookie jar. "Who, me?", "Yes, you!", "Couldn't be!", "Then, who?" "ChanServ !" |
| 21:05.24 | SunSparc | ~lol hhatfield |
| 21:05.24 | infobot | ACTION Laughs out Loud at hhatfield |
| 21:06.20 | SunSparc | Lol is proper capitalization when use at the beginning of a sentence. |
| 21:46.17 | fungus | No. LOL is an abbreviation, so it should be all caps. |
| 21:47.28 | fungus | But using Lol at the beginning of a sentence is easy for lazy people on a mobile device. |
| 21:47.54 | hhatfield | loL |
| 21:49.00 | macnewbold | ~loLstats |
| 21:49.00 | infobot | total count of loL on #uphpu: 10. Top 2: hhatfield -- 9 (90.0%), Skinner -- 1 (10.0%) |
| 21:49.29 | macnewbold | ~LoLstats |
| 21:49.29 | infobot | total count of LoL on #uphpu: 11. Top 3: mahelious -- 6 (54.5%), captbrogers -- 4 (36.4%), Skinner -- 1 (9.1%) |
| 21:49.36 | macnewbold | ~Lolstats |
| 21:49.36 | infobot | total count of Lol on #uphpu: 8. Top 3: SunSparc -- 5 (62.5%), captbrogers -- 1 (12.5%), fungus -- 1 (12.5%) |
| 21:49.42 | herlo | ~kick macnewbold |
| 21:49.43 | infobot | ACTION kicks macnewbold |
| 21:49.51 | herlo | lol |
| 21:49.52 | macnewbold | ~kick herlo back |
| 21:49.52 | infobot | ACTION kicks herlo back |
| 21:49.56 | macnewbold | ~lolstats herlo |
| 21:49.56 | infobot | herlo has said lol 682 times (11.8 %), ranked 2/133 (percentile: 1.5 %) |
| 21:50.00 | herlo | ~thump macnewbold |
| 21:50.00 | infobot | ACTION thumps macnewbold in the ear with a brick! |
| 21:50.05 | SunSparc | ~macnewbold macnewbold |
| 21:50.05 | infobot | ACTION wallops macnewbold with a flip-flop |
| 21:50.09 | macnewbold | ~bdhit herlo |
| 21:50.10 | infobot | ACTION gives herlo the Priest Flip of the Blessed Foulness |
| 21:50.20 | herlo | ~twist macnewbold |
| 21:50.29 | macnewbold | ~summon mindjuju |
| 21:50.29 | infobot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing mindjuju's coordinates |
| 21:50.31 | herlo | ~bake macnewbold |
| 21:50.31 | infobot | ACTION introduces macnewbold to Cheech and Chong |
| 21:51.01 | macnewbold | ~bdhit herlo |
| 21:51.01 | infobot | ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on herlo |
| 21:51.12 | macnewbold | ~dwhit herlo |
| 21:51.12 | infobot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on herlo |
| 21:51.12 | herlo | ~whaleslap macnewbold |
| 21:51.12 | infobot | ACTION beats macnewbold upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:51.26 | macnewbold | ~frenchtaunt herlo |
| 21:51.26 | infobot | ACTION summons the french taunter! You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! |
| 21:51.29 | herlo | ~whalepoo macnewbold |
| 21:51.33 | herlo | ~whalepoop macnewbold |
| 21:51.33 | infobot | ACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at macnewbold |
| 21:52.30 | macnewbold | ~monkey herlo |
| 21:52.30 | infobot | ACTION flings poo at herlo |
| 21:52.42 | macnewbold | ~popcorn SunSparc |
| 21:52.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:52.57 | macnewbold | ~pop corn |
| 21:52.58 | infobot | ibot offers corn a thin mint. |
| 21:53.02 | macnewbold | ? |
| 21:53.12 | SunSparc | ? |
| 21:53.13 | macnewbold | infobot, are you drunk? |
| 21:53.23 | josephscott | just went off the rails :-) |
| 21:54.05 | SunSparc | infobot: Do you use Ruby? |
| 21:54.05 | infobot | yes, I use Ruby. |
| 21:59.18 | hhatfield | ~pop balloon |
| 21:59.18 | infobot | ibot offers balloon a thin mint. |
| 22:03.10 | josephscott | $8ball is infobot drunk? |
| 22:03.10 | tobcri | josephscott: Signs point to yes. |
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| 23:15.19 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 23:15.19 | tobcri | Chuck Norris has all the No. 1 pencils. |