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| 17:47.05 | mgeary | anyone here know anyone that does .NET? I've got someone asking me for a developer who can assist with a relatively straightforward SOAP call in .NET |
| 17:52.40 | mindjuju | i know somebody that will prolly know somebody mgeary, want me to have them contact you |
| 17:52.50 | mindjuju | it's not a headhunter nor a headhunter firm |
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| 17:56.31 | mgeary | mindjuju: sure. i've also got thebigdog beating his bushes for people. It's a small gig, but probably overkill for a full-on agency to take on |
| 17:57.33 | mgeary | hey fungus, can you explain to me why i need to have these GoDaddy "Host Name" entries with the IP addresses of my name servers? Why isn't it sufficient to just have A Records for the name server FQDNs? |
| 17:58.25 | herlo | mgeary: glue records |
| 17:58.36 | mgeary | tell me more |
| 17:58.51 | herlo | mgeary: when someone looks up your hostname, how do you think they figure it out if they don't have access to your name servers? |
| 17:59.24 | mgeary | well, my domain doesn't use itself for DNS |
| 17:59.28 | herlo | essentially, the .com nameservers look for your hostname example.com |
| 17:59.42 | herlo | and to get to those, it needs to know what nameservers to look up. |
| 17:59.53 | herlo | but to look up the nameservers, it needs to know the ip as well of those nameservers |
| 18:00.02 | herlo | s/nameservers/hosts/ |
| 18:00.16 | herlo | so it's a catch 22 |
| 18:01.06 | herlo | how do you look up the ip address of a nameserver without its info available in the record? |
| 18:01.36 | mgeary | well |
| 18:02.34 | mgeary | not following entirely. if domain foo.com uses ns1.treelinegroup.com as a name server, and treelinegroup.com uses GoDaddy for it's name server, why do i need to have an A-record for ns1.treelinegroup.com AND a glue record. Since the A-record for ns1.treelinegroup.com is at a different name server entirely |
| 18:03.19 | herlo | mgeary: no, the a record for ns1.treelinegroup.com IS the glue record. |
| 18:03.44 | mgeary | …so i *don't* need this "Host Name" entry at GoDaddy? |
| 18:03.59 | mgeary | fungus indicated that i did, but he may have not known how i had things set up |
| 18:04.09 | herlo | you do. |
| 18:04.27 | herlo | it's needed AT go daddy, and you need it in your dns servers too |
| 18:04.38 | herlo | that's why it's called a glue record, it glues the two pieces together. |
| 18:05.13 | mgeary | here's the deal. I am wanting to replace my own name servers with another option (Rackspace Cloud DNS). Rackspace tells me i can just make ns1.treelinegroup.com a CNAME record that resolves to their name server (foo.rackspace.com, let's say). That's all well and good, but if i still have to have a glue record with an IP address, not a FQDN, then i am still at risk if foo.rackspace.com ever changes it's IP |
| 18:05.17 | herlo | because godaddy doesn't know what the ip of ns1.treelinegroup.com is without being provided the information, since it's delegating all control to your nameservers. |
| 18:05.48 | mgeary | sure it knows the IP. it's in their own zone file |
| 18:06.01 | herlo | mgeary: right, so a cname is different. it sounds like you should be telling godaddy to use rackspaces ns servers, not yours. |
| 18:06.18 | mgeary | because treelinegroup.com's name servers are PDNS03.DOMAINCONTROL.COM and PDNS04.DOMAINCONTROL.COM |
| 18:06.23 | herlo | then you can make a cname there that points to the rackspace dynamic info... |
| 18:10.01 | mgeary | but make it where? |
| 18:10.44 | herlo | on rackspaces nameservers or wherever it is you host the nameserver. godaddy does have nameservers you can just use. |
| 18:11.04 | mgeary | i mean on which domain's zone file? |
| 18:11.57 | mgeary | i don't want to change foo.com's name server. I can't actually. re-gaining access to their registry isn't on the table currently. It's already pointing to ns1/ns2.treelinegroup.com. What i want to do is essentially transparently shift that over to Rackspace's cloud DNS |
| 18:12.17 | herlo | yeah, then do the cname on ns1.treelinegroup.com |
| 18:12.44 | mgeary | but what about these "host name" /glue records at GoDaddy under my treelinegroup.com domain? |
| 18:13.51 | herlo | you already have a nameserver. So what you are saying is that you registered foo.com with godaddy, right? |
| 18:14.16 | herlo | and you need to tell godaddy's registrar record (not a nameserver per se) where to look for foo.com's zone info. |
| 18:14.20 | mgeary | no, foo.com is with some arbitrary registrar, and we need to assume i cannot get access to it |
| 18:14.32 | mgeary | but it's name servers are set to ns1/ns2.treelinegroup.com |
| 18:14.48 | herlo | so how does godaddy fit in? |
| 18:15.00 | mgeary | treelinegroup.com is registered with godaddy |
| 18:15.05 | herlo | If the nameservers are already set, just cname it on your ns1/ns2 and be done. |
| 18:15.38 | herlo | right, so ns1/ns2.treelinegroup.com should have a glue record at godaddy. That's all. |
| 18:15.43 | mgeary | i will happily do that, i'm just trying to figure out why i have these "Host name" records at GoDaddy, outside the DNS Zone file, under the treelinegroup.com domain |
| 18:15.57 | herlo | a glue record is a NS and A record for the nameservers, btw. |
| 18:16.00 | mgeary | and that glue record, that's just the CNAME entry? |
| 18:16.27 | herlo | cname's are just aliases to A records. |
| 18:16.32 | mgeary | yes |
| 18:16.49 | mgeary | but in this case, i want to came ns1.treelinegroup.com to, e.g. ns1.rackspace.com |
| 18:17.06 | mgeary | ~s/came/cname |
| 18:17.18 | herlo | really? |
| 18:17.37 | herlo | you do that, and what about the rest of your hosts being served by ns1.treelinegroup.com |
| 18:17.53 | SunSparc | Vanity name servers? |
| 18:18.00 | mgeary | they will all (not very many) be shifted over to zone files created at Rackspace |
| 18:18.14 | herlo | SunSparc: :) |
| 18:18.19 | mgeary | let's take it out of the room |
| 18:18.24 | herlo | mgeary: sure |
| 18:18.55 | *** topic/#UPHPU by carmony -> Feburary 2014 Meeting: Justin Carmony - Mentoring Devs into DevOps (http://uphpu.org/) | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:19.53 | herlo | carmony: nice work. :) |
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| 21:51.13 | josephscott | $suggest topics for |
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| 22:43.04 | josephscott | $8ball could we get a law passed that would forbid Michael Bay from making any more Transformer movies? http://www.hulu.com/watch/592336 |
| 22:43.09 | tobcr653 | josephscott: Yes. |
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