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| 03:11.18 | mindjuju | oops |
| 03:15.05 | herlo | mindjuju: nice! :D |
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| 15:39.15 | *** topic/#UPHPU is January 2014 Meeting: Elizabeth Naramore - GitHub: More Than Just Code (http://uphpu.org/2014/01/12/happy-10th-anniversary-januarys-meeting/) | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 16:50.45 | carmony | So mindjuju has gone to the dark side..... |
| 16:51.03 | eggyknap | What's worse than Windows? |
| 16:51.20 | SunSparc | ~define dark side |
| 16:51.20 | infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 16:51.21 | carmony | I saw him at the Utah Python Usergroup meeting :P |
| 16:51.50 | SunSparc | Haha, Python is the light side. :) |
| 16:52.13 | SunSparc | ~uphpu |
| 16:52.13 | infobot | [uphpu] Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org Blootbot's favorite channel.. Utah Potato and Ham Producers Union, or a channel for rehabilitating programmers who have used PHP in the past |
| 17:01.28 | josephscott | carmony: wouldn't that mean you were there too? :-) |
| 17:01.40 | carmony | yeah, but I was an invited guest speaker.... :P |
| 17:01.52 | josephscott | haha |
| 17:02.06 | ninnypants | I need to setup a small group of servers and for the setup I'm thinking I'll have one bastion server that hosts a salt master and munin to control a few dev servers and production servers. Does that sound like it would work? |
| 17:03.02 | josephscott | been playing with ansible off and on |
| 17:03.12 | josephscott | one thing I really like is their use of ssh out of the box |
| 17:03.28 | josephscott | which means I can start managing a host without installing anything new |
| 17:03.53 | herlo | josephscott: salt supports ssh out of the box too |
| 17:03.54 | josephscott | certainly won't be as fast as zeromq, but for 99% of my needs that isn't an issue |
| 17:04.01 | josephscott | oh, did they finally add that? |
| 17:04.05 | josephscott | I know they were talking about it |
| 17:04.12 | herlo | yes, and they are working on other transports as well |
| 17:04.23 | herlo | not that ansible is a bad choice, I've used both |
| 17:04.58 | josephscott | hmmm "SALT-SSH IS ALPHA SOFTWARE AND MAY NOT BE READY FOR PRODUCTION USE", in all caps no less :-) |
| 17:05.01 | josephscott | I might wait for a bit then |
| 17:05.16 | herlo | lol |
| 17:05.34 | herlo | they announced it as production ready at saltconf last month |
| 17:05.47 | herlo | but who knows. |
| 17:06.13 | josephscott | haha |
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| 17:06.40 | josephscott | if only we knew people who worked for Salt day in and day out ;-) |
| 17:08.07 | herlo | who would those people be. :) |
| 17:18.57 | josephscott | I am beginning to wonder why Google still leaves the base Android code as "open source" - http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/new-android-oem-licensing-terms-leak-open-comes-with-restrictions/ |
| 17:19.16 | carmony | lol |
| 17:19.18 | carmony | seriously |
| 17:19.28 | carmony | So I found my first PHP 5.5 bug |
| 17:21.03 | ninnypants | carmony: that didn't take long |
| 17:22.56 | josephscott | carmony: what was it? |
| 17:24.04 | carmony | So in php 5.5, they dropped bundling the old php json implementation |
| 17:24.15 | carmony | because of this: http://iteration99.com/2013/php-json-licensing-and-php-5-5/ |
| 17:25.51 | carmony | So the new json_decode/json_encode is implemented using a different underlying c lib |
| 17:26.11 | carmony | well in the past, if you had an non-utf-8 character in json_encode |
| 17:26.17 | carmony | it would fail |
| 17:26.30 | carmony | well, it would fail to encode that individual value and return null |
| 17:26.51 | carmony | but it would encode everything else that was valid |
| 17:27.03 | carmony | Now, if anything in your data struct is invalud |
| 17:27.09 | carmony | the whole object fails to encode |
| 17:27.26 | carmony | which sucks for APIs since I'd rather return one null in one field |
| 17:27.38 | carmony | instead of having the entire object fail |
| 17:30.15 | josephscott | hmmm |
| 17:31.01 | josephscott | character encoding is a pain :-( |
| 17:31.26 | josephscott | carmony: do we know anyone at http://qualtrics.com/ ? looks like they do a fair bit of PHP, but I don't think we see any of their people show up at UPHPU |
| 17:34.14 | ninnypants | Doran's wife works there I want to say |
| 17:36.30 | carmony | I don't know anyone from there |
| 17:40.21 | tierra | seriously? |
| 17:40.46 | carmony | tierra: super seriously |
| 17:40.47 | tierra | and here I thought that dropping PHP 5.2 support would eliminate the requirement for including Services_JSON |
| 17:41.39 | carmony | to debian's credit |
| 17:41.46 | carmony | they include php5-json in their php5-common |
| 17:41.53 | carmony | so it gets installed automatically |
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| 17:42.38 | carmony | but ubuntu 13.10 doesn't install php5-json automatically |
| 17:42.41 | carmony | its just so silly |
| 17:43.36 | carmony | cro: you guys move to your new office yet? |
| 17:44.17 | cro | nope |
| 17:44.23 | cro | still waiting on the contractors |
| 17:44.29 | carmony | lol, thats fun |
| 17:44.45 | carmony | I'm surprised you guys can get any work done there, the internet is abysmal :P |
| 17:48.34 | cro | Fridays are great. This building has a bunch of government workers in it, they do 4x10s so often Fridays are quite fast. The entire building shares a single feed to CenturyLink. |
| 17:48.52 | carmony | ahh, wow |
| 17:49.12 | cro | https://twitter.com/UrsulaV/status/434372030016671744/photo/1/large |
| 17:49.36 | cro | Happy Valentines Day Everyone!! |
| 17:49.55 | herlo | cro: how did you get peno's heart so quickly? |
| 17:50.02 | peno | lol |
| 17:51.28 | carmony | lol, I think I broke speedtest.net |
| 17:51.57 | herlo | cro: no apologizing on the internets! |
| 17:53.28 | cro | https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/Painted%20Skin:%20The%20Resurrection/70253389?trkid=438403 |
| 17:53.52 | carmony | cro: http://www.speedtest.net/result/3306180536.png |
| 17:54.10 | cro | https://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/The%20Sorcerer%20and%20the%20White%20Snake/70265194?trkid=438403 |
| 17:54.33 | cro | Two surprisingly good Chinese mythology movies, one involving demons tearing people's hearts out. |
| 17:55.15 | tierra | wow, I wouldn't have a clue how to even make efficient use of a connection like that |
| 17:55.28 | cro | start a cloud provider. |
| 17:55.37 | tierra | good call |
| 17:55.44 | carmony | I downloaded a 4 GB video game in like 10 seconds |
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| 17:56.19 | tierra | that's like bumping up against SSD write limits on many consumer SSDs |
| 17:56.23 | tierra | heh |
| 17:56.36 | carmony | which makes me think that might be the case with this test :P |
| 17:57.10 | tierra | pretty sure it uses RAM for the test, and I'm pretty sure you're not bumping up against that still ;) |
| 17:57.24 | tierra | maybe not though |
| 17:57.31 | herlo | cro: I prefer Paint Your Wagon - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064782/ |
| 17:59.43 | herlo | man, docker is awesome! |
| 18:02.10 | carmony | I need a tutorial on docker |
| 18:03.47 | mgeary | i need a sales pitch on docker |
| 18:03.55 | peno | carmony: just wait until the 10 gig link goes in. |
| 18:04.06 | carmony | :O |
| 18:04.14 | peno | you can't has |
| 18:13.01 | carmony | why not.... |
| 18:13.38 | carmony | you're going to come in one day and there will be a ethernet cable sprawled across the floor from my office to your desk's ethernet port so I can have all the goodness |
| 18:21.02 | peno | :( |
| 18:22.53 | SunSparc | carmony: Wow, and 2ms ping time. Fabulous. That is excellent multiplayer gaming conditions. |
| 18:23.06 | carmony | I should try BF4 from here... |
| 18:23.12 | SunSparc | Indee |
| 18:23.13 | SunSparc | d |
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| 18:51.39 | ninnypants | my speeds seem to vary a decent amount depending on which server I choose http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3306299546 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3306303284 |
| 18:53.03 | josephscott | oh, google fiber, of course :-| |
| 18:54.05 | josephscott | make my comcast look weak - http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3306308780 |
| 18:54.27 | ninnypants | this is my speed using their speed test tool but it keeps timing out http://d.pr/i/WvTm |
| 18:54.37 | ninnypants | on upload |
| 19:00.40 | DexterTheDragon | happy with mine http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3306322419 |
| 19:03.37 | ninnypants | DexterTheDragon: I forgot xmission upped their speeds to 100M |
| 19:03.54 | josephscott | nice, I wouldn't mind that |
| 19:03.56 | josephscott | $lart comcast |
| 19:03.57 | tobcr653 | beats comcast to within 2.54cm of his life. |
| 19:04.23 | DexterTheDragon | I could get a gig but I don't know if it's worth it |
| 19:04.37 | ninnypants | how much is it? |
| 19:05.17 | DexterTheDragon | that's what I don't know, xmission charges $35 for 100 but there's a $12 UTOPIA fee on top |
| 19:05.36 | DexterTheDragon | for a gig xmission charges $65 but I've heard the UTOPIA fee is much higher |
| 19:06.22 | ninnypants | I had to go gig if I wanted anything above 5M |
| 19:07.08 | fungus | My 50Mbps Comcast link has exceeded my needs for a long time, but I do have numbers envy really bad. |
| 19:07.48 | ninnypants | yeah we had 30M before and I haven't noticed a difference really |
| 19:08.20 | ninnypants | I'm sure if I downloaded something off steam I would see a difference |
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| 19:22.22 | fungus | No kidding, my 12GB steam download last night took me about a half and hour. :( |
| 19:22.35 | tierra | ninnypants: I wonder if you'd get more consistent results testing to a server closer than SLC, which btw, makes the XM tests look silly since I'm pretty sure they're one of the Speedtest node providers, so you're pinging directly into your own ISP |
| 19:24.41 | tierra | Comcast techs are trained to instruct customers to ensure they have selected the Comcast speedtest node to run tests against, and that's all they care about when running the tests themselves |
| 19:26.30 | ninnypants | tierra: one was provo orem and one was xmission in SLC |
| 19:28.28 | tierra | oh, didn't notice on the first |
| 19:28.37 | fungus | At those rates, latency has a huge effect on throughput |
| 19:29.39 | fungus | And depending on how Google Fiber chooses to route your traffic, SLC may be faster than Provo. |
| 19:30.05 | ninnypants | yep |
| 19:30.40 | ninnypants | I'm going to guess that my speed tests that are at 900+M are to a local google fiber server |
| 19:30.51 | fungus | probably. |
| 19:31.19 | ninnypants | and that I get a better connection to xmisson than local because they just have better servers |
| 19:32.23 | fungus | probably not "better" servers, probably just a shorter route. |
| 19:34.00 | fungus | Try some traceroutes to xmission and some provo site, you may see that your traffic goes to SLC first then back down to provo after. |
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| 22:31.41 | mgeary | hmm |
| 22:32.08 | beandog | ~silence mgeary |
| 22:32.09 | infobot | ACTION shoves an apple in mgeary's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 22:32.21 | beandog | ew |
| 22:32.23 | mgeary | well, at least it's a nice fire |
| 22:32.59 | mgeary | trying to figure out why my namevirtualhost isn't working on a new server. it's dropping over to the default site |
| 22:33.02 | josephscott | $8ball too much? |
| 22:33.02 | tobcr653 | josephscott: It is decidedly so. |
| 22:33.10 | mgeary | i've done this a hundred times, but clearly i'm overlooking something |
| 22:34.41 | unum | you have NameVirtualHost *:80 before the virtualhost tag |
| 22:35.11 | mgeary | hmm |
| 22:35.40 | mgeary | nope |
| 22:35.48 | mgeary | i mean, i did, but changing that didn't change anything |
| 22:36.41 | mgeary | meh. this server's just a quickie, and only has one site on it. i'll just not load the default site for now |
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| 23:48.54 | carmony | ping mindjuju! |
| 23:55.45 | mindjuju | pong |
| 23:55.50 | mindjuju | carmony ^^ |
| 23:56.09 | carmony | mindjuju: how goes the OpenWest CFP? |
| 23:56.13 | carmony | getting enough submissions? |
| 23:56.20 | mindjuju | no, where is yours? |
| 23:56.29 | carmony | I submitted 3! |
| 23:56.43 | mindjuju | actually, last year we had 90+, this year we're at 125+ there about |
| 23:56.51 | carmony | nice |
| 23:56.56 | mindjuju | so better, every year -- a step better |
| 23:57.16 | mindjuju | that preso on devops yesterday was good |
| 23:57.22 | mindjuju | sorry i jumped up in the middle of it |
| 23:57.57 | carmony | mindjuju: oh you're totally fine :) |
| 23:59.07 | mindjuju | i was thinking about getting a nintendo and a couple chairs and tv for the conference |
| 23:59.12 | mindjuju | setting it up somewheres |
| 23:59.14 | carmony | that'd be fun |
| 23:59.21 | carmony | you should get a STEAM BOX! |
| 23:59.21 | mindjuju | or the original star wars on laser disc |
| 23:59.27 | carmony | Since it runs linux |
| 23:59.39 | mindjuju | ah true, we could do that, but steam box is what $500+ |
| 23:59.48 | mindjuju | maybe we could get somebody to donate one |
| 23:59.48 | carmony | well, you could just make yoru own box |
| 23:59.52 | carmony | and install SteamOS on it |
| 23:59.54 | carmony | but yeah |
| 23:59.57 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
