| 00:06.22 | josephscott | $lart Monday |
| 00:06.22 | tobcri | rm -rf's Monday. |
| 00:06.30 | josephscott | $rlart |
| 00:06.30 | tobcri | pries utahcon's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to utahcon. |
| 00:14.23 | josephscott | $suggest skiphp |
| 00:14.24 | tobcri | josephscott: suggestions for 'skiphp' : skip hop, skip hop diaper bag, skip hop backpack, skip hop duo, skip hop versa, skip hop studio, skip hop duo double, skip hop grand central, skip hop play mat, skip hop bedding |
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| 00:15.22 | josephscott | $suggest carmony |
| 00:15.22 | tobcri | josephscott: suggestions for 'carmony' : carmony exploration, carmony exploration llc, carmony, carmony guam, carmony dentist texarkana, carmony ewing funeral home, carmony car care, carmony farms wooster oh, carmony lifestyle search, carnmoney golf course |
| 00:15.33 | carmony | lol |
| 00:26.08 | josephscott | time to comfort screaming kids |
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| 01:52.31 | herlo | so, is there food at needle? |
| 01:52.55 | herlo | carmony: ping ^^ |
| 01:53.04 | carmony | herlo: yes |
| 01:53.05 | carmony | pizza |
| 01:53.09 | herlo | w00t! see you there! |
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| 02:31.31 | herlo | UPHPU needs more ladies! :) |
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| 15:23.39 | DexterTheDragon | jsmith: we all had the lobster waffle, it was delicious. thanks for paying! |
| 15:24.24 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: Any time, man... I hope you enjoyed :-) |
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| 16:25.05 | ninnypants | $rlart |
| 16:25.06 | tobcri | takes out utahcon with the trash. |
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| 16:26.26 | mgeary | ah, so Obama says the NSA phone data storage is being ended, "as it exists". Please forgive my cynicism... |
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| 16:27.57 | ninnypants | mgeary: they'll change the table names and the code name |
| 16:28.10 | ninnypants | then it'll have ended "as it exists" |
| 16:28.13 | mgeary | exactly. and try to keep it a secret again. Because, you know, they were so open the first time around |
| 16:28.32 | mgeary | i'm sure this all still would have come about had the Snowden leaks not happened |
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| 17:46.40 | littleSkinner | To the extremely awesome guy that paid for dinner last night I thank you from the heart of my bottom! |
| 17:47.20 | herlo | and Blue Host! :) |
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| 18:32.10 | beandog | not to be confused with Host Blue |
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| 18:40.16 | herlo | lol |
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| 18:44.25 | SunSparc | Also not to be confused with Blue Sun Hosting. :) |
| 18:45.16 | SunSparc | herlo: All this talk of Geek lunches in SLC and Davis makes me feel like Utah County should organize something. |
| 18:45.35 | SunSparc | mindjuju, ninnypants: ^ |
| 18:45.42 | herlo | SunSparc: go for it, post it on the list |
| 18:45.59 | ninnypants | I have geek lunch at my house every day |
| 18:46.10 | SunSparc | ninnypants: haha |
| 18:46.13 | SunSparc | We have not supped together for some time now. |
| 18:46.20 | beandog | supped |
| 18:46.53 | SunSparc | beandog: sup dude |
| 18:47.22 | beandog | nada |
| 18:48.31 | beandog | trying to do the whole work thing |
| 18:48.37 | SunSparc | How is that working out for you? |
| 18:48.37 | beandog | meh |
| 18:48.37 | beandog | I'd rather be playing AD&D |
| 18:48.39 | SunSparc | Too many interuptions from IRC? |
| 18:48.59 | beandog | not enough |
| 18:49.01 | SunSparc | Yeah, I would rather be playing minecraft or CoD4. |
| 18:49.38 | beandog | There's gotta be a Minecraft mod for playing an FPS |
| 18:51.12 | SunSparc | Oh, ask my oldest. I am sure he would know. There are hundreds if not thousands of mods for Minecraft. |
| 18:53.53 | beandog | thousands! |
| 18:54.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:03.28 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 19:03.28 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking beandog's head off |
| 19:04.54 | beandog | ~roll DexterTheDragon |
| 19:04.54 | infobot | ACTION stuffs DexterTheDragon in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain |
| 19:05.02 | beandog | aww man |
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| 19:05.36 | beandog | that works |
| 19:06.34 | beandog | 3 hours to upload a site to go live .... |
| 19:06.35 | beandog | le sigh. |
| 19:06.37 | beandog | :| |
| 19:06.53 | beandog | ~flood xmission's shared servers |
| 19:06.53 | infobot | ACTION blasts xmission's shared servers with a huge firehose then strangles xmission's shared servers with it |
| 19:07.22 | beandog | stupid jail doesn't even come with rsync |
| 19:07.30 | beandog | or git |
| 19:07.35 | beandog | or which |
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| 19:48.33 | beandog | oh man |
| 19:48.33 | beandog | busybox to the rescue |
| 19:48.33 | beandog | hallelujah |
| 19:48.33 | beandog | take that, crappy shared server! |
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| 19:54.14 | beandog | Okay well .. making a static git was easier than I thought it'd be .. |
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| 20:18.50 | ninnypants | He[Obama] pointed out that even intelligence workers "have kids on Facebook and Instagram," and so were not inclined to abuse their authority. It seems like this program will remain mostly unchanged for now. |
| 20:19.58 | ninnypants | I find that laughable after the whole LOVEINT scandall |
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| 20:59.51 | SunSparc | beandog: Way to put that shared server in its place. |
| 21:00.13 | SunSparc | ninnypants: I find most things Obama says laughable. |
| 21:00.45 | SunSparc | Except, I am usually too saddened or frustrated to actually laugh. |
| 21:01.29 | ninnypants | SunSparc: you can probably extend that to any politician |
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| 21:21.34 | beandog | SunSparc: thanks mon |
| 21:21.39 | beandog | I think I deserve a few sysadmin points for that |
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| 21:28.11 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Very good point. |
| 21:28.53 | SunSparc | infobot: Give beandog a handfule of sysadmin points for being awesome |
| 21:28.53 | infobot | ACTION gives a handfule of sysadmin points for being awesome to beandog |
| 21:42.07 | herlo | anyone going to the drinkup tonight at the leprechaun inn? https://github.com/blog/1754-salt-lake-city-drinkup-and-skateup |
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| 22:24.13 | influx | Hellooooooo. |
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| 22:24.41 | influx | !seen carmony |
| 22:24.56 | influx | Where's Carmony? |
| 22:28.41 | SunSparc | influx: I saw him on Twitter recently. |
| 22:30.40 | influx | hrm. You know if he still does mobile app dev? |
| 22:31.10 | influx | Or if anyone else here does mobile app dev? I'm curious about how to handle a potential project. |
| 22:31.17 | influx | It'd be my first. |
| 22:32.14 | peno | carmony is at skiphp |
| 22:32.56 | influx | ko |
| 22:39.07 | SunSparc | influx: What do you mean by "handle"? |
| 22:44.37 | influx | Well, depending on how soon this client would want the app done, either I would do the work or someone else would. |
| 22:44.57 | influx | As this would be my first project, I would like to get an idea for what would be a fair price to quote the client. |
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| 22:49.58 | beandog | one meeeeelion dollars |
| 22:52.12 | influx | Sweet. |
| 22:53.15 | influx | The internet tells me $10k-$15k is to be expected from a client's point of view, but that seems a bit high in this case. |
| 22:55.17 | SunSparc | influx: Like any projects, it really depends on a lot of different variables. |
| 22:55.46 | SunSparc | Being your first projects, you may want to take into account your learning curve. |
| 22:55.59 | SunSparc | Will you be charging by the project or by the hour? |
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| 22:56.33 | SunSparc | Each app is different. From small to massive. |
| 22:57.07 | SunSparc | You would need to make it worth your time and also worth the clients money. |
| 22:59.14 | SunSparc | influx: You are likely aware of the project management triangle: Fast, Good, Cheap; Pick two. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management_triangle |
| 23:00.38 | influx | Da. |
| 23:01.33 | mgeary | Nyet |
| 23:01.33 | influx | I've got an idea of what to charge, but it would be nice to hear from someone who's actually done thish whether it's reasonable given my skills. |
| 23:01.55 | mgeary | influx: iOS, Android, both, or something else? |
| 23:01.58 | SunSparc | Gotcha. |
| 23:02.14 | influx | Pochemu nyet? |
| 23:02.25 | influx | mgeary: presumably iOS and/or Android. |
| 23:02.39 | influx | The client's primary question is around cost. |
| 23:02.48 | influx | I have yet to respond to his initial e-mail about it. |
| 23:04.21 | mgeary | unless it was super simple, i'd stay away from a mobile project with only a $10k budget, unless you want to take it on as a way to get paid for learning. It's important to keep in mind that there are a ton of factors in client-side development that we don't deal with in web development. These include, but are not limited to: memory constraints, dozens of different OS versions, different screen sizes/orientations |
| 23:06.52 | beandog | to be fair, better ask for 15 iphones. |
| 23:06.54 | beandog | up front. |
| 23:06.59 | beandog | gotta make sure they work. |
| 23:07.32 | mgeary | 16. then give one to me |
| 23:07.36 | influx | heh |
| 23:07.43 | beandog | ~skim mgeary |
| 23:08.00 | SunSparc | Not to mention connectivity to the Internet. Is the app going to be stand-alone or is going to need to connect to a remote server or other external resources. |
| 23:08.46 | SunSparc | I would respond and be upfront with the guy. Don't leave him hanging, that is lousy customer service. |
| 23:08.54 | beandog | then you add in stuff like are you gonna use 3rd party services |
| 23:08.58 | beandog | and how reliable are those |
| 23:08.59 | beandog | etc, etc. |
| 23:10.06 | influx | SunSparc: Aye. I figured I'd do a bit of research (I only just saw his email about an hour ago) before saying anything. |
| 23:10.17 | influx | beandog: *nod nod* |
| 23:10.38 | SunSparc | Ah, good. As long as it has not been days. ;) |
| 23:10.51 | beandog | that's awfully fast turnaround |
| 23:10.54 | beandog | ~influx++ |
| 23:11.00 | beandog | yah, srsly |
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| 23:26.14 | mgeary | any CakePHP folks around? |
| 23:26.44 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure out why the results of a findById() query aren't' showing two fields that were recently added to the database |
| 23:26.59 | influx | pastebin? |
| 23:27.03 | mgeary | it's working locally fine, but on stage it's not showing up :/ |
| 23:27.04 | mgeary | well |
| 23:27.13 | mgeary | before we go there... |
| 23:27.40 | mgeary | i'm not a cake pro by any stretch. When you do $foo = $this->Model->findById(bar) |
| 23:27.46 | mgeary | and then you var_dump($foo) |
| 23:28.07 | mgeary | and it outputs arrays of the Model record, as well as any foreign key records… With me so far? |
| 23:28.13 | ninnypants | mgeary: do the models have to have column names defined |
| 23:28.31 | mgeary | ninnypants: that's my first question. In checking the models file, it doesn't appear so |
| 23:28.44 | mgeary | so i'm guessing Cake pulls that straight from the DB definition |
| 23:28.49 | mgeary | influx: can you confirm? |
| 23:30.27 | influx | processing... |
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| 23:32.32 | influx | I believe so. |
| 23:32.33 | SunSparc | mgeary: Iirc, cake pulls everything by default, unless you have told it otherwise. |
| 23:32.45 | mgeary | so i'm trying to figure out why 2 new fields aren't showing |
| 23:32.52 | influx | It should be returning all of the record's fields unless you tell it which fields are the only ones you want returned. |
| 23:33.10 | SunSparc | mgeary: Different codebase or different db schema. |
| 23:33.39 | SunSparc | Perhaps code and schema on staging are not synced. |
| 23:34.22 | mgeary | SunSparc: that's what i thought, too, but i'm using rsync to double-check, and the code is the same |
| 23:34.35 | mgeary | doing a test on the db, but i don't think that's it |
| 23:34.49 | SunSparc | cache? |
| 23:34.58 | mgeary | yeah, that's more likely |
| 23:35.17 | SunSparc | You can safely delete files in /app/tmp/cache/.. |
| 23:35.40 | mgeary | db schemas are definitely the same |
| 23:35.43 | SunSparc | But if you are in debug mode, it should clear for you. |
| 23:36.16 | mgeary | hmm. don't have cache inside app/tmp |
| 23:37.26 | SunSparc | You can find what caching mechanism you are using usually in /config/core.php |
| 23:38.58 | mgeary | Cache::config('default', array('engine' => 'File', 'path' => ROOT.'/app/tmp')); |
| 23:40.05 | SunSparc | Are you in debug mode? (In /config/core.php Configure::write('debug', 2); ) |
| 23:40.12 | mgeary | no |
| 23:40.29 | mgeary | i'd rather not be. client is going to be looking at this any minute, if not already |
| 23:40.33 | mgeary | don't want the crud dumping out |
| 23:41.23 | SunSparc | Right. Well the path is set there, so that is where the cache files should be. |
| 23:41.55 | mgeary | where is ROOT set? |
| 23:42.12 | mgeary | nm |
| 23:42.14 | mgeary | it's good |
| 23:42.24 | mgeary | root is, that is. Problem still persists |
| 23:43.09 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: it caches the model defs in app/tmp/cache/models |
| 23:43.49 | mgeary | well |
| 23:44.02 | mgeary | kicking it into debug mode for a second, then back out seems to have fixed it |
| 23:44.09 | DexterTheDragon | that will do it too |
| 23:44.10 | mgeary | so it clearly was a cache issue of some sort |
| 23:44.23 | mgeary | but there is no cache directory in app/tmp :S |
| 23:45.12 | SunSparc | Well, that could be fun to track down where your cache is going. :) |
| 23:45.59 | mgeary | indeed |
| 23:47.40 | beandog | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=794868 |
| 23:47.46 | beandog | oh my gosh their workaround is hilarious |
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| 23:50.01 | SunSparc | mgeary: You could put some print statements into the code to print out where it is putting the cache. You could also just do a find and look for folder called "cache". |
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| 23:53.14 | mgeary | i've scanned the entire htdocs and there is no folder called cache. Must be outside of the webroot somewhere |
| 23:57.54 | SunSparc | Could be. On my dev system I put the cache in /tmp (system root). |