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| 16:17.41 | josephscott | impressive google doodle today, especially for dr. who fans |
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| 16:22.31 | DexterTheDragon | how was your drive last night hhatfield? |
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| 17:12.26 | carmony | How was the meeting last night? |
| 17:12.40 | carmony | I was caught up in dadops till midnight unfortunately :. |
| 17:12.42 | carmony | :/ |
| 17:16.40 | SunSparc | Poopy diapers? |
| 17:18.25 | ninnypants | SunSparc: that'd be quite the poopy diaper if it took until midnight to clean |
| 17:20.20 | eggyknap | </tmi> |
| 17:21.13 | herlo | :( |
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| 17:57.13 | carmony | SunSparc: cold/flu/something-like-that |
| 17:59.36 | josephscott | sure seems like Google is trying to lock up android devices more and more - http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/21/android-4-4-kitkat-ships-without-browser-app-oems-have-to-license-chrome-or-build-their-own/ |
| 18:03.06 | tierra | in my experience, this stuff is actually normal for export controls, or simply because of bundled libraries... people love conspiracy theories though |
| 18:03.30 | tierra | I just assume this is more about Google not wanting to maintain two entirely unique browser engines |
| 18:03.41 | tierra | on the same platform no less |
| 18:03.49 | josephscott | except they are |
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| 18:04.37 | josephscott | seems strange that Google would make you jump though a separate license setup to ship their flagship browser, instead of using their default "browser" (confusing names are confusing) |
| 18:06.11 | josephscott | but then again, Google seems ok with duplicating large things, so perhaps that isn't a big deal for them |
| 18:06.59 | tierra | in any case, it's still a huge leap from that to shipping proprietary iOS with *no* ability to flash custom built firmware, heh |
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| 18:08.44 | josephscott | my point is more about variations in a spectrum, Google is far from "everything is open" and Apple isn't "everything is closed" |
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| 18:55.30 | romanovic | tierra: there is a very real closed source creep going on with Android http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ |
| 19:01.09 | romanovic | josephscott: it extends beyond the browser too, there were many open apps (Search, Music, Calendar, Keyboard, Camera, others?) that google abandoned and has replaced with its own closed proprietary versions |
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| 19:45.38 | tierra | it's true that Play changed a lot of things wrt to a new marketplace that Google obviously would prefer you purchased content from |
| 19:46.41 | tierra | but as an AOSP project, *all* of those apps had the chance to be forked by contributors outside of Google and make their own way... if they weren't, it wasn't because Google stopped them, it's because no-one else was doing the majority of work on them |
| 19:49.18 | tierra | there's certainly a lot to be said about default distribution, but it has still ultimately been the wireless carriers that have reigned champion on ultimate control over distribution, it's just that Google has much more power in negotiating their apps then any open source android app team individually |
| 19:49.59 | tierra | even without Google apps, those open source versions still wouldn't have stood a chance |
| 19:51.34 | tierra | there is a lot to consider here, and most of it can't even be reliably predicted, which is why I find these articles to always just be a bunch of conspiracy theories... they just want readers, and stirring the pot is the best way to do it |
| 19:51.48 | tierra | note that this article is a "review" |
| 19:51.57 | tierra | mostly opinion |
| 19:52.15 | tierra | it's not based on any factual evidence |
| 20:03.20 | romanovic | tierra: sure. nobody's arguing that android's not freely forkable, or that this portends some Android cataclysm |
| 20:05.16 | romanovic | Google's goal is (was?) "to make sure that the open-source Android software is implemented as widely and compatibly as possible, to everyone's benefit." |
| 20:06.10 | romanovic | Google unified the majority of the mobile market, then took an approach that fragments it. Why? Probably money. |
| 20:07.53 | tierra | it's funny to me to look at this, and then look at what it is that OEMs and carriers end up bundling with Android when it isn't a "Google" phone... you see the comparison in that article... Samsung has their own music, email, calendar, and (not pictured) even contacts applications they ship when they still could have shipped the AOSP versions |
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| 20:11.57 | tierra | of course they always fall short and we consider it "bloatware" because it is... they've never had the resources to build amazing proprietary apps on their own like Google has, and it was always plagued with their own interests wrt advertising and sales. AT&T used to, and might still, charge for use of their bundled barcode scanner app |
| 20:12.40 | tierra | in reality, this probably really is the best move for Android as a whole |
| 20:12.55 | tierra | considering the way our stupid carriers work anyway |
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