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| 17:01.56 | carmony | good morning! :) |
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| 17:09.37 | eggyknap | No it's not. |
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| 21:25.34 | tierra | https://gist.github.com/tierra/2be4b59f24a695d0e8c5 <- note that the section after "VirtualHost configuration" is entirely empty... |
| 21:25.37 | tierra | any ideas? |
| 21:26.28 | tierra | oh, wait, I might know what it is... |
| 21:27.15 | tierra | ugh... yep |
| 21:27.27 | tierra | guess they also require .conf in the filenames now too |
| 21:28.02 | herlo | tierra: look in the httpd.conf and see if the include is actuall *.conf |
| 21:28.07 | herlo | actually |
| 21:30.53 | tierra | this is Ubuntu, so it's actually apache.conf |
| 21:30.59 | tierra | but yeah, that was the issue |
| 22:02.19 | SunSparc | Was fairly easy. I was an old CakePHP project to boot. |
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| 22:32.26 | HumanCell | Anyone a good CentOS expert? |
| 22:32.50 | HumanCell | I've burned hours now and can see why the person before could not solve this. |
| 22:33.03 | HumanCell | syslog issue ... |
| 22:33.30 | SunSparc | HumanCell: What is the problem? |
| 22:33.50 | HumanCell | I'm trying to get the dhcpd to log to a dhcpd.log file ... |
| 22:34.13 | HumanCell | I updated the dhcp.conf with a 'log-facility local6;' |
| 22:34.31 | HumanCell | I updated syslog.conf with local6.* /var/log/dhcpd.log |
| 22:34.45 | HumanCell | Nothing. All messages still go to /var/log/messages only. |
| 22:35.07 | SunSparc | Did you restart the dhcpd service? |
| 22:35.14 | HumanCell | yep ... both dhcpd and syslogd |
| 22:35.37 | HumanCell | It's the weirdest thing ... it's like it's completely ignoring the setting. |
| 22:36.00 | SunSparc | Apparently it is. |
| 22:36.25 | HumanCell | Grrrrrr .... |
| 22:39.21 | HumanCell | HA! Got it! Crap ... the person before me had put the log-facility INSIDE the subnet definition ... I just assumed it was in the correct spot! |
| 22:39.48 | SunSparc | Nice. Good job HumanCell. |
| 22:40.51 | HumanCell | Those things you look at for hours until seeing something that makes you think. |
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| 22:44.02 | SunSparc | Yep, that is why I like irc, sometimes just telling my problem to someone else makes me see the problem from a different angle. |
| 22:44.44 | HumanCell | Yep ... thanks! |
| 22:44.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:59.59 | HumanCell | Holy crap do iOS devices send DHCP Requests WAY too often! |
| 23:00.34 | SunSparc | Somehow I am not surprised. :) |
| 23:01.08 | HumanCell | I'm watching all of the iOS devices on this network sending requests TWICE every 2-3 minutes ... |
| 23:01.11 | HumanCell | It's a flood! |
| 23:01.32 | SunSparc | Perhaps they figure people will be walking around with them and needing to readdress. |
| 23:02.02 | SunSparc | Could be a better passive way to handle that. |
| 23:02.06 | HumanCell | Just read one post that claims they do it each time they light up the interface ... |
| 23:02.26 | HumanCell | BUT ... it answers my question if I can use it as a way to detect people at the office, or at home ... :-) |
| 23:02.59 | SunSparc | Yeah, you could probably track their location and even their movements, if they have the device on them. |
| 23:03.30 | HumanCell | I started to wonder if I could tail the log, and then create events when people arrived or left ... |
| 23:03.34 | josephscott | the question is, why did they choose to do it that way |
| 23:03.49 | josephscott | I wouldn't be surprised if that was a very deliberate decision |
| 23:04.12 | HumanCell | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5303349 |
| 23:04.13 | SunSparc | Better connectivity? |
| 23:04.24 | HumanCell | The NSA required it of them. |
| 23:04.41 | SunSparc | ~NSA |
| 23:04.41 | infobot | somebody said nsa was No Such Agency (aka. National Security Agency). See Bamford's book, _The Puzzle Palace_. AYBABTU |
| 23:04.59 | HumanCell | ~iPhone |
| 23:04.59 | infobot | iphone is probably http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgZKjJt-TkU, or a useless fanfruit device thats only existence is a mistake, or kind of ghey. Windows Mobile, WebOS, and Android are all better. |
| 23:05.21 | HumanCell | ~dhcp |
| 23:05.21 | infobot | [dhcp] Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 23:06.50 | HumanCell | I wonder if it is a combination of: 1) they verify each time they turn on the interface; and 2) there are numerous programs constantly turning on the interface |
| 23:06.56 | josephscott | windows mobile and webos? man, someone just has blind hate for Apple |
| 23:07.13 | SunSparc | Haters gotta hate. |
| 23:07.24 | josephscott | I guess |
| 23:07.41 | SunSparc | Most people that do not have Apple devices. |
| 23:08.10 | HumanCell | So bottom line ... I'm thinking that I can now detect someone *coming* in range of the Wifi ... |
| 23:08.42 | SunSparc | Could be handy for automation. |
| 23:08.47 | HumanCell | ... the issue will be if I can detect them *leaving* ... which is harder ... unless it's a constantly chattering iOS Device |
| 23:09.58 | HumanCell | It's funny ... on this network ... there are a dozen iOS devices spewing a constant stream ... then one unknown device that is sending DHCPINFORM packets like every 5 minutes ... |
| 23:09.59 | josephscott | is it significantly more frequent than other mobile devices? |
| 23:10.22 | HumanCell | Oh yeah ... and the Google Posts all say "Android doesn't do this ... why is Apple?" |
| 23:13.10 | josephscott | how much more? are we talking like 3 per second vs. 1 every 30 minutes or what? |
| 23:15.45 | josephscott | the why question is the right one to ask though |
| 23:17.15 | HumanCell | I don't see any other devices at all ... |
| 23:17.31 | HumanCell | It seems that most re-request as the lease nears it's end ... |
| 23:17.40 | HumanCell | Or when restarted, or reconnected. |
| 23:18.19 | HumanCell | I'll let you know as I work on my project ... :-) |
| 23:19.18 | HumanCell | I'm going to log the machines as I see them, and when I last saw them. My goal is to generate webhooks to an application on "rediscovered" devices. |
| 23:19.39 | josephscott | I suspect the majority of DHCP servers are crummy low end wifi routers, I wonder if some of them have wacky DHCP implementations that Apple is trying to compensate for |
| 23:21.45 | HumanCell | What is funny is that they seemed to have fixed another dhcp bug reported by Duke U where iOS was keeping addresses after the lease expired. |
| 23:22.03 | HumanCell | I would have thought that low level functionality like DHCP was solved a LONG time ago. |
| 23:22.29 | josephscott | for computers that stay on the same network for 99% of their life, yes, I think it was |
| 23:22.53 | josephscott | for devices that are just as likely to wake up on a new network as they are the previous one, probably room for improvement |
| 23:23.43 | HumanCell | The DHCP server gives them an address, and tells them the lease time. They ought to know to wait at least *half* the lease time before checking back. |
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| 23:24.05 | HumanCell | Princeton just updated this doc: http://www.net.princeton.edu/announcements/ipad-iphoneos32-stops-renewing-lease-keeps-using-IP-address.html |
| 23:24.06 | josephscott | agreed |
| 23:24.29 | josephscott | which is why I'm wondering why the iOS devices are doing what they do |
| 23:24.45 | HumanCell | Oops ... and this one: http://www.net.princeton.edu/apple-ios/ios40-requests-DHCP-too-often.html |
| 23:24.49 | josephscott | iOS 3.2 is way, way, way old |
| 23:24.58 | josephscott | so is iOS 4 |
| 23:26.00 | HumanCell | What is weird ... is that I'm seeing it with my iphone and ipad on this network ... and they are both new and up to date. |
| 23:26.14 | josephscott | most (nearly all?) are on iOS 6 and iOS 7 |
| 23:26.58 | josephscott | times like this that I wish Apple was more open with their devs, would be nice if there was someone we could make a connection with to find out why they do that |
| 23:27.05 | HumanCell | I'm thinking through my algorithm for the webhooks ... I'm guessing that I'll send the device id and mac address, and how long since it has been seen before. |
| 23:27.22 | HumanCell | josephscott: oh yeah ... THAT would be a miracle! |
| 23:27.52 | josephscott | not that I have any contacts at Apple, would be nice if I did |
| 23:30.22 | HumanCell | I just asked my friend ... a writer at Network World ... :-) |
| 23:36.54 | josephscott | make friends with John Gruber I guess |
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| 23:41.19 | HumanCell | My friend at Network World bit ... he's investigating ... :-) |
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