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| 00:06.31 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
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| 00:06.42 | SunSparc | Take that ChanServ. |
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| 06:03.32 | shanemhansen | holy moses php namespaces suck so much less than the rest. |
| 06:03.36 | shanemhansen | Despite the whole \ thing. |
| 06:03.54 | shanemhansen | use A\B\C; new C(). It's like sanity has returned. |
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| 15:40.12 | josephscott | plex on freenas looks promising - http://www.freenas.org/whats-new/2013/09/plex-on-freenas.html |
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| 15:53.02 | TuxToaster | agreed |
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| 16:40.43 | SunSparc | Anyone know of a part-time writing position? I have a friend who is a writer looking for some part-time work. |
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| 16:57.42 | romanovic | shanemhansen: php namespaces suck less than the rest? like what others for example? |
| 16:59.03 | shanemhansen | romanovic, I'm quite enjoying saying: use Blah/Blah/Cache; $x = new Cache(). vs $x = new Blah_Blah_Cache(); |
| 16:59.18 | shanemhansen | Also having the classname be 'class Cache', not 'class Blah_Blah_Cache'. |
| 17:00.01 | shanemhansen | Should I also mention how upset I am that http_build_str (array to query string) is a third party extension while the reverse (query string to array) is builtin? |
| 17:00.25 | romanovic | oh, yeah, agreed its a huge improvement over pre-php-5 |
| 17:00.34 | shanemhansen | Plus I found out last night. constants are constants, except if you use something called runkit_delete_constant, but that's not a builtin. |
| 17:01.09 | shanemhansen | ( I was trying to get some quick and dirty coverage by including a bunch of files, but they all included a file that defined the same constant) |
| 17:01.30 | shanemhansen | On the bright side, I love php's performance, deployment model, and now with closures! |
| 17:01.37 | shanemhansen | http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ |
| 17:02.05 | shanemhansen | http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r7&hw=i7&test=db |
| 17:02.23 | shanemhansen | nm http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r7&hw=i7&test=query |
| 17:02.29 | shanemhansen | Sorry for the link spam. |
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| 17:02.47 | romanovic | i wish PHP's functions were also namespaced, rather than having 5k - 6k global functions :C |
| 17:03.02 | shanemhansen | It's just super fascinating that under real life conditions (multiple database queries) PHP is right up there with java and c++ and above everyone else. |
| 17:03.11 | shanemhansen | I totally agree. |
| 17:03.40 | shanemhansen | php has alot of baggage, but then I came from languages where in order to make something an object you had to bless() it. (thanks larry!) |
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| 17:06.17 | fungus | lol |
| 17:06.31 | fungus | s/$/ @perl/ |
| 17:08.08 | fungus | shanemhansen, have you tried python? |
| 17:08.18 | shanemhansen | are you teasing? |
| 17:08.35 | fungus | kind of. but not completely |
| 17:08.53 | shanemhansen | fungus, I was the first employee at Spacemonkey, a local shop where we built an entire distributed bittorrent-like filesystem on embedded devices using python. |
| 17:09.03 | shanemhansen | I love/hate it too. |
| 17:09.33 | shanemhansen | http://www.spacemonkey.com/ |
| 17:09.43 | shanemhansen | ^ twisted app, at least a year ago. |
| 17:10.48 | shanemhansen | Can I complain on more time about php? (As a person who has to spend 80% of their time writing php) |
| 17:10.58 | shanemhansen | http://php.net/manual/en/function.json-decode.php |
| 17:11.08 | shanemhansen | php "extended" json such that null is a valid json value. |
| 17:11.19 | shanemhansen | And the result of json_decode can be null. |
| 17:11.30 | shanemhansen | So it literally has no meaningfull return value for errors. |
| 17:12.08 | shanemhansen | So let's just hope people don't use php's stupid "extension" to json for encoding nulls. (Because why in the world would you?) |
| 17:12.24 | SunSparc | shanemhansen: Sounds like you need some wat. |
| 17:12.30 | shanemhansen | And this thing: http://php.net/manual/en/pdo.error-handling.php |
| 17:12.41 | shanemhansen | "We can return error values or throw exceptions. It's up to you." |
| 17:12.47 | SunSparc | ~wat |
| 17:12.48 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wat is the linuxargs line?, or https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| 17:12.49 | shanemhansen | wat! |
| 17:13.18 | shanemhansen | Because if there's one thing I love, it's making it more complex to reason about what a particular function call might do. |
| 17:13.23 | shanemhansen | </rant> |
| 17:13.27 | SunSparc | I enjoy Python. But recently I have been doing stuff in Go. Awesome good times. |
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| 17:13.35 | shanemhansen | I love go too. |
| 17:13.48 | SunSparc | infobot: Do you love Go? |
| 17:13.48 | infobot | yes, I love Go. |
| 17:14.00 | SunSparc | Glad to hear it. |
| 17:14.02 | SunSparc | ~go |
| 17:14.10 | SunSparc | Hmm... |
| 17:14.37 | shanemhansen | http://golang.org/CONTRIBUTORS#L381 |
| 17:14.44 | shanemhansen | Not to brag, but to brag ^ |
| 17:15.02 | SunSparc | infobot: go is an open source programming environment that makes it easy to build simple, reliable, and efficient software |
| 17:15.02 | infobot | SunSparc: okay |
| 17:15.08 | shanemhansen | I was fortunate enough to enhance their stdlib wrt to tar. |
| 17:15.14 | SunSparc | infobot: go is also http://golang.org/ |
| 17:15.14 | infobot | okay, SunSparc |
| 17:15.27 | shanemhansen | Turns our they didn't support the gnu or pax extensions that let you worth with filenames larger than 100 characters. |
| 17:15.41 | SunSparc | Oooh, shanemhansen is famous. Can I have your digital signature? |
| 17:15.47 | shanemhansen | It's funny people are dumb smart. |
| 17:15.56 | shanemhansen | I still can't figure out mysql replication. |
| 17:15.58 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:16.00 | SunSparc | wat! |
| 17:16.15 | shanemhansen | and I'm deployed on mod_php, which everyone tells me is bad. I should be using php-fpm hotness. |
| 17:16.31 | shanemhansen | and I haven't even learned composer yet. |
| 17:16.50 | shanemhansen | But go is the bees knees. |
| 17:17.19 | shanemhansen | We have to integrate with a payment processor with no php sdk. I'm trying to decide between php+soap or golang + their official C++ sdk. |
| 17:17.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, it is good stuff. We are currently rewriting all our .Net code into Go. |
| 17:17.35 | shanemhansen | Or option 3, throw another random language into the mix. |
| 17:17.54 | SunSparc | Perhaps Haskell, or Lisp. ;) |
| 17:18.12 | shanemhansen | yeah. |
| 17:18.16 | shanemhansen | I have great desire to learn more lisp. |
| 17:18.28 | shanemhansen | the number of grad students I've interviewed have scared me off haskell. |
| 17:18.52 | shanemhansen | best quote from grad student: "I like haskell, because no matter what I try to do, it's like an open research problem" |
| 17:18.52 | SunSparc | Lisp was one of the first languages I was introduced to in college and I am sad that I did not spend more time with it at that point. |
| 17:19.17 | SunSparc | shanemhansen: It's a trap! :) |
| 17:19.33 | shanemhansen | second best quote from grad student interviewing: "you want me to talk about space and memory usage? Well it's a bunch of unevaluated thunks, it could be crazy
or it could be crazy awesome" |
| 17:19.47 | shanemhansen | Apparently it's up to the sufficiently smart compiler to make it crazy awesome. |
| 17:19.48 | shanemhansen | I guess. |
| 17:22.07 | SunSparc | shanemhansen: Ummm... was that guy being serious? |
| 17:23.04 | shanemhansen | serious in a way only a know-it-all phd CS student can be. |
| 17:23.14 | shanemhansen | Which is serious with a dash of snideness. |
| 17:25.16 | josephscott | shanemhansen: the only api your payment processor provides is SOAP? |
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| 17:27.08 | josephscott | anyone dealing with SOAP should get hazard pay |
| 17:33.29 | shanemhansen | It's chase. |
| 17:33.36 | shanemhansen | They were better than the alternative. |
| 17:34.12 | SunSparc | At least he will be clean. |
| 17:34.15 | SunSparc | ~rimshot |
| 17:34.15 | infobot | badum-TISH! |
| 17:34.36 | SunSparc | Here is a fun article to rile you up for the day: http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2013/11/12/Healthcare-gov.html |
| 17:46.42 | fungus | SunSparc, that was a terrible article. |
| 17:46.51 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:47.06 | SunSparc | fungus: Please tell my why you think so. |
| 17:47.43 | fungus | A project that big developed that fast, is going to have problems. that's expected. it's hard. |
| 17:48.27 | fungus | and with a legal, hard, immovable deadline, there is no other option than to just continue the best you can. |
| 17:49.08 | fungus | Wasting your time, saying "NO!?" and complaining isn't going to work, and is only detrimental to the project. |
| 17:49.32 | fungus | Uncle Bob is a dick! |
| 17:51.54 | romanovic | haha. also, I reject the "Software Industry" generalisation - "The Software Industry failed to deliver healthcare.gov. As a result, millions of people are being hurt. We did that, folks. It was our industry, our failure." |
| 17:52.56 | romanovic | he doesn't get to use Software Industry, when the government failed to contract people in the industry who were actually capable of doing a good job. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131010/01484924821/why-healthcaregov-sucks-because-they-hired-political-cronies-not-internet-native-companies-to-build-it.shtml |
| 17:53.16 | tierra | heh, yeah, what romanovic said |
| 17:55.07 | tierra | the "software industry" (the capable one) has done ridiculously amazing things in nearly every other industry with a tenth of the funds |
| 17:55.24 | unum | I like out the techdirt article pointed out how good the campaign was at rolling out large scale software |
| 17:55.25 | SunSparc | fungus: haha, yes indeedy, Uncle Bob sure knows how to rile people up. :) |
| 17:55.30 | tierra | this certainly wasn't a software industry failure |
| 17:57.27 | SunSparc | I have only recently been introduced to Uncle Bob, but from what I have seen/read he has a way of making me think about things that I never had before. |
| 18:00.05 | SunSparc | romanovic: Yeah, once again, "my cousin knows how to make web sites" strikes again. |
| 18:11.42 | josephscott | tierra: I'll be very happy to see this changed - http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/13/proposed-coding-standards-change-always-require-braces/ |
| 18:14.18 | tierra | yeah, I'm for it |
| 18:15.20 | josephscott | I've lobbied for it before, I'll happily vote for it this time around |
| 18:15.36 | tierra | which is funny because I don't believe in "adding debugging code" pretty much ever (big proponent of using proper debugging with xdebug, which doesn't involve adding/changing a single line of code most of the time) |
| 18:15.46 | tierra | so it should be less relevant to me |
| 18:15.51 | tierra | but I'm still in favor |
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| 18:31.08 | josephscott | tierra: can be hard to deploy "proper debugging" in production |
| 18:31.18 | josephscott | sometimes it is easier to collect data in production for debugging |
| 18:31.26 | tierra | haha, that's because you shouldn't be debugging in production ;) |
| 18:31.40 | josephscott | well, tell that to the bugs that only appear in production :-) |
| 18:32.14 | jsmith | heisenbugs! |
| 18:32.50 | josephscott | in some cases that is the only way to gather sufficient info to then reproduce them in a dev environment |
| 18:35.02 | tierra | when I built out sold.com a while back here, I never needed to ever debug it in production... proper application architecture and debug configurations can make that possible |
| 18:35.45 | tierra | not to say that WP has that proper architecture, but I'm just saying it's possible |
| 18:35.57 | jsmith | Anything's possible -- it's just code |
| 18:37.38 | tierra | http://pluginmirror.com/ <- I've never needed to debug that in production (thankfully, especially since I actually rarely have access to the servers it's running on) |
| 18:37.49 | jsmith | tierra: :-) |
| 18:37.51 | tierra | sometimes devs actually don't have access to production period |
| 18:37.58 | tierra | :) |
| 18:44.33 | josephscott | if they can write code, then have some level of access to production |
| 18:44.55 | josephscott | WordPress.com is a bit different in several ways |
| 18:45.39 | josephscott | thousands of servers and multiple data centers introduce, well, interesting issues |
| 18:46.16 | josephscott | I'm curious to know how you reproduce bugs in dev environment that only happen in 2 of 8 data centers? |
| 18:46.54 | josephscott | I'm not suggesting production code should be littered with debug entries, just that various conditions require various approaches |
| 18:47.48 | tierra | that usually calls for a quality configuration management system that can actually even replicate an *entire* development cloud network in virtual machines in some cases, but can also usually be avoided during testing/development most of the time too honestly |
| 18:49.02 | josephscott | guess I haven't found that perfect world yet then |
| 18:49.22 | tierra | I've seen puppet configs launch 20 VMs on a local development box replicating a full DB replication setup (like 4 DB servers), 4+ web servers, a load balancer, caching servers, and job worker servers |
| 18:49.50 | tierra | all in a matter of like 10 minutes |
| 18:49.58 | josephscott | interesting, they replicate switch and router bugs in those various DCs as well? |
| 18:50.28 | josephscott | all run on the exact same hardware as production? |
| 18:50.34 | tierra | if you have developers (and not admins) messing with that stuff, you've got other problems ;) |
| 18:50.37 | josephscott | raid controller and ssd bugs? |
| 18:50.57 | tierra | and you definitely don't need xdebug for router and switch problems |
| 18:51.02 | josephscott | it isn't uncommon for something to come up because a dev was investigating an issue |
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| 18:51.28 | josephscott | then systems can dig deeper |
| 18:52.20 | josephscott | other fun things include discovering that 3rd party APIs are rejecting requests, or timing out, or other strange network issues, only from certain DCs or IP address ranges |
| 18:59.06 | josephscott | tierra: have you never deployed a line of debug code to production then? |
| 19:01.51 | tierra | sure, but it's been a few years |
| 19:10.16 | josephscott | is this real? https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/400695935610920960 |
| 19:11.41 | josephscott | crazy that FB would have $3B to give, and amazing that Snapchat would reject an all cash offer |
| 19:20.18 | fungus | I like the one of the replies: "the offer only lasted 5 seconds" |
| 19:25.29 | HumanCell | I'd take it ... and move on to my next idea ... |
| 19:26.07 | tierra | sounds bogus to me... |
| 19:26.10 | HumanCell | I think many entrepreneurs hold on to an idea for WAY too long. If you hit it that big, take it and run. |
| 19:26.49 | tierra | nvm, I guess WSJ is reporting on it |
| 19:28.09 | josephscott | HumanCell: pretty sure there would be a penalty for running, usually requires core people to stay for X years |
| 19:28.31 | HumanCell | Agreed ... but then you can still take your money and begin to think other directions ... :-) |
| 19:28.34 | josephscott | but hey, if they took it they'd be able to buy webserver.com from Yahoo - https://www.sedo.com/search/searchresult.php4?&session=6abfc4e41db9401d257461d9d6f6cd93 :-) |
| 19:29.03 | HumanCell | It's all the formalities, but bottom line do you really think that SnapChat is a strategic 10-year+ play? |
| 19:29.47 | josephscott | I'm not a good person to ask, I thought FB should have sold to Yahoo when they were offered more than $1B |
| 19:30.07 | HumanCell | I'm still trying to get my head around people who see the dominant technologies players - 10+ runs - will include FaceBook? |
| 19:30.37 | HumanCell | I guess they are like a "media company" ... more than a tech company. |
| 19:31.17 | HumanCell | Blockbuster was seen as a "winner" ... and now Netflix has wiped them out. |
| 19:31.55 | josephscott | do companies need to last forever ( or at lest 10 years ) in order to be super valuable? |
| 19:32.16 | HumanCell | How long will Netflix be around? They are transforming into a content company. |
| 19:32.49 | HumanCell | No ... I think that is my point ... seems they are lasting shorter and shorter times as the rate of evolution increases. |
| 19:33.16 | HumanCell | I think I want to start TorBook. A secure version of Facebook. :-) |
| 19:33.26 | HumanCell | FaceTor? |
| 19:33.43 | HumanCell | Oh ... and peer to peer. BitTorBook. |
| 19:33.48 | fungus | Make an undead version and call it SkeleTor |
| 19:34.07 | HumanCell | Oh yeah ... we need zombies in there too. |
| 19:34.21 | HumanCell | BitSkeleTorBook. |
| 19:34.23 | josephscott | haha |
| 19:34.52 | HumanCell | SkeleTorBookTorrent. |
| 19:34.57 | DexterTheDragon | http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:35.59 | HumanCell | https://arkos.io/ |
| 19:36.33 | HumanCell | Thank the NSA and Snowden for getting a LOT of people off their butts. ;-) |
| 19:36.49 | romanovic | HumanCell: I propose one factor to the shortening lives of tech companies is the widening patent asteroid belt |
| 19:36.54 | fungus | from the investor point of view, I don't think 10+ year companies are that interesting. From a consumer POV we strongly desire a 10+year company, want to trust that the services/data will be around and safe for a very long time. |
| 19:36.56 | DexterTheDragon | I really hope they get arkOS working well, was crazy buggy when I tried it |
| 19:37.35 | romanovic | I think companies arrive at the edge of that asteroid belt, and either sell to a larger company or go their own way and get pummelled |
| 19:38.09 | HumanCell | Yep ... that makes sense. |
| 19:38.14 | romanovic | if they make it through, or assimilate the right defensive patents, then they have a chance of becoming a facebook |
| 19:38.45 | HumanCell | I also see the generational gaps that can not be crossed. The young kids I ask today don't like Facebook ... their parents and GRANDPARENTS hang out there! |
| 19:38.51 | HumanCell | Facebook is for OLD PEOPLE. |
| 19:39.04 | HumanCell | Apple products are for OLD PEOPLE. |
| 19:39.29 | HumanCell | Who as a kid was dying to go and hang out with OLD PEOPLE? :-) |
| 19:40.24 | HumanCell | In fact, I think many of our issues as a country related to these same generational gaps. You have a hard time relating to consequences that you can not identify with. |
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| 20:57.41 | josephscott | fungus: going to move all of SoS to this? http://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/ |
| 20:59.14 | SunSparc | Ooh... neato... |
| 21:01.39 | josephscott | half tempted to drop $35 to try it out |
| 21:05.32 | SunSparc | josephscott: If you try it out, I would be interested in reading your review. :) |
| 21:06.21 | josephscott | I wonder why they went with windows 7 instead of 8 |
| 21:06.49 | SunSparc | heh |
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| 21:08.26 | HumanCell | My guess is user familiarity ... |
| 21:09.25 | SunSparc | I was personally not overly impressed with the new UI in 8. |
| 21:11.02 | fungus | We've been investigating the use of VDI in general for years now, especially for the travelling employees. |
| 21:12.43 | HumanCell | I found 8 to be a shift from the traditional Windows UI ... but not that different from the OS-X dumbed down UI. |
| 21:12.58 | josephscott | guess it might be ok for in person IE testing |
| 21:14.12 | josephscott | there are some things I definitely don't like about the OS X UI, though in general I've found it works fine |
| 21:14.29 | josephscott | for that matter, the XP UI is still my favorite Windows UI |
| 21:15.37 | SunSparc | fungus: What have been your findings? Anything worth considering? |
| 21:16.17 | SunSparc | josephscott: lol, I still run XP when I need to do something in Windows. |
| 21:16.48 | HumanCell | Wow ... so Amazon wants to create VPN connections to your corporate networks from their cloud? |
| 21:16.55 | HumanCell | The NSA loves that! |
| 21:17.07 | josephscott | HumanCell: they've been offering that for some time |
| 21:17.12 | SunSparc | HumanCell: :) |
| 21:17.37 | HumanCell | So is this a part of their "VPC" offering? |
| 21:17.48 | fungus | Generally the price, hardware requirements, and complexity haven't been worth the benefits. But that is constantly changing, and someday (maybe today with this Amazon offering) it will be feasible. |
| 21:18.27 | SunSparc | fungus: Yeah, I assumed as much. Amazon has certainly been doing some amazing stuff. |
| 21:18.47 | fungus | My company will not really consider the Amazon solution because it isn't in-house. |
| 21:20.27 | SunSparc | Well... to each their own. Some places still want that serverroom feel I guess. Of course, if the Intertubez go down, in house is nice. |
| 21:21.20 | josephscott | if Amazon does a good job of this I think it will make them lots of money, getting people to pay a monthly fee for their desktop |
| 21:21.21 | SunSparc | Unless you are serving in house. Then it is not so nice, for users. |
| 21:21.48 | SunSparc | josephscott: I am sure they are banking on it. |
| 21:21.59 | HumanCell | Do they run 24x7 even when you disconnect? |
| 21:22.42 | josephscott | that is a good question |
| 21:22.54 | SunSparc | yes, it is a good question |
| 21:23.11 | fungus | SunSparc, in the corporate world in-house is usually necessary, due to network security and other reasons. |
| 21:23.12 | HumanCell | I'm wondering if I can leave jobs running, etc. |
| 21:23.34 | SunSparc | fungus: Of course. |
| 21:24.10 | HumanCell | When I go to disconnect I could launch my Bitcoin mining software to reduce my monthly bill by a penny or two! |
| 21:24.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:24.45 | SunSparc | Just don't store your bitcoins in an online wallet. |
| 21:25.35 | HumanCell | If a virtual desktop goes to screen saver and there is no one connected, does it still light up virtual pixels? |
| 21:26.06 | SunSparc | Hmm... |
| 21:26.12 | fungus | How do you join an Amazon WorkSpace to your internal company Active Directory domain? |
| 21:26.19 | SunSparc | ~screensaver HumanCell |
| 21:26.43 | SunSparc | fungus: It sounded like there was an admin interface. |
| 21:26.59 | SunSparc | AWS Console probabl. |
| 21:27.02 | HumanCell | There must be some VPN capability ... |
| 21:27.36 | SunSparc | TightVNS ;) |
| 21:27.41 | fungus | oh there is. reading more details. Have to buy more Amazon infrastructure to create a VPN tunnel back to your corporate network. |
| 21:27.42 | SunSparc | VNC even |
| 21:28.08 | HumanCell | I'm also curious ... this might solve my need for an efficient remote desktop protocol for satellite access when I go on a remote roadtrip! |
| 21:29.08 | fungus | Sounds like they are making big progress in making VDI easier and cheaper. |
| 21:30.07 | SunSparc | ~AWS++ |
| 21:33.47 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:33.57 | HumanCell | I'm looking to rent a boat and explore the fjords at the southern tip of Chile ... I want to be able to work from there for a month ... |
| 21:34.30 | SunSparc | Oh man, that sounds like incredible amounts of fun! |
| 21:34.49 | HumanCell | Maybe Amazon to the rescue! |
| 21:35.05 | fungus | well a remote roadtrip, is participating in a road trip remotely. The opposite would be actually going on a road trip? |
| 21:35.18 | SunSparc | Introducing, Amazon Boat Trips. |
| 21:35.36 | SunSparc | In the cloud. |
| 21:35.45 | HumanCell | Wow ... I could sell people a VBT ... Virtual Boat Trip! |
| 21:35.50 | fungus | or perhaps a double opposite, participating in a stay-at-home locally? |
| 21:36.02 | SunSparc | fungus: lol |
| 21:36.21 | SunSparc | HumanCell: You should trademark the idea, quick! |
| 21:36.34 | HumanCell | No way ... a Patent! |
| 21:36.47 | SunSparc | Even better. |
| 21:37.09 | fungus | Remote Road-Trips, Intl. - watch other people travel and have fun when you are stuck at home. |
| 21:37.34 | HumanCell | Crap ... I just checked ... Discovery Channel already has it patented! |
| 21:37.47 | SunSparc | Hah! |
| 21:38.01 | ninnypants | HumanCell: just make it broader and it should go through |
| 21:40.17 | SunSparc | Your life passing before your eyes, even though you have never lived that life... wait, that is already what TV is. |
| 21:40.34 | HumanCell | Brainstorm! |
| 21:40.45 | ninnypants | HumanCell: don't just limit yourself to tv I bet there are people out there looking at other people's vacation photos that you could capitalize on |
| 21:40.56 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:41.13 | HumanCell | Ah ... retro-experiences ... |
| 21:41.41 | HumanCell | Vacation photos, with audio on cassette tapes! |
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| 21:46.11 | SunSparc | On a slide projector. |
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| 22:34.43 | utahcon | alright guys, looking at peer review software. I need something OS that is preferrably python/php based |
| 22:44.28 | josephscott | utahcon: http://phabricator.org/ ? |
| 22:49.41 | josephscott | I know the folks at Space Monkey have used it, so shanemhansen might have some experience with it |
| 22:49.46 | josephscott | I haven't used it myself yet |
| 22:50.26 | shanemhansen | I've continued to use it at steals. |
| 22:50.29 | shanemhansen | Big fan. |
| 22:51.02 | shanemhansen | It's like a great all around tool, jack of all trades, master of none. Not likely to satisfy the OCD project manager, which is a plus. |
| 22:51.24 | josephscott | haha |
| 22:51.39 | shanemhansen | So what I like about phabricator is that it offers linting, which adds itself as comments to the review. |
| 22:51.47 | josephscott | I think one of the other teams here at Automattic is giving it a try, I need to follow up with them, see if they ever launched it |
| 22:51.48 | shanemhansen | It also shows side by side diffs which I like. |
| 22:52.03 | shanemhansen | You can autoclose tickets by committing a ticket which refs that ticket. |
| 22:52.06 | DexterTheDragon | barkeep is ruby based but really nice. They have a vagrant vm if you don't want to worry about installing stuff http://getbarkeep.org/ |
| 22:52.27 | shanemhansen | Pointy haired bosses really hate that because it can be hard to integrate user acceptance testing with that sort of commit based workflow. |
| 22:52.39 | shanemhansen | It's biggest strength is integration. |
| 22:52.59 | shanemhansen | Integrated tasks, projects, source tracking, wiki, etc. |
| 22:54.46 | shanemhansen | Sometimes I miss the advanced features of gerrit, but I'm a glutton for punishment. |
| 22:55.15 | shanemhansen | Try rebasing 3 connected reviews in gerrit and having to reapprove them all unless some gerrit geek has added trivial rebase detection scripts. |
| 22:55.28 | shanemhansen | I wish phabricator had build triggers for hudson. |
| 22:55.39 | shanemhansen | Currently we just CI the master branch (our team is small) |
| 22:55.53 | shanemhansen | s/hudson/jenkins/ |
| 22:56.03 | shanemhansen | Ideally jenkins should be able to thumbs up/down a review like with gerrit. |
| 23:02.27 | utahcon | sweet |
| 23:06.41 | carmony | how well does phabricator integrate with things like github (specifically pull requests?) |
| 23:09.21 | shanemhansen | Never tried. Honestly I set up gitolite my first day on the job and never thought about it again. |
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