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| 17:56.31 | SunSparc | Every time I try to use my computer without a connection to the Internet, I realize just how dependent I am on the Internet. |
| 17:58.25 | herlo | haha |
| 17:58.27 | herlo | so true! |
| 17:58.49 | SunSparc | It's like crack. |
| 17:59.22 | SunSparc | I try to pack my computer with everything I need to work offline, but inevitably, I find that I have missed something. |
| 17:59.49 | SunSparc | A library, a package, a service, something. |
| 18:00.03 | SunSparc | Kills productivity. |
| 18:00.21 | SunSparc | But sometimes, it enhances creativity. :) |
| 18:03.51 | tierra | I always end up shaking my head when I realize I'm mostly useless without online reference docs, heh |
| 18:04.14 | tierra | and stack overflow |
| 18:04.15 | beandog | SunSparc: I feel that way about pants |
| 18:04.24 | tierra | haha |
| 18:04.29 | jsmith | SunSparc: You obviously don't spend enough time on airplanes |
| 18:04.35 | tierra | I can go without pants |
| 18:04.37 | jsmith | beandog: Good one :-p |
| 18:04.45 | jsmith | tierra: Too much information! |
| 18:05.07 | josephscott | someone wrote a whole book about that :-) |
| 18:05.18 | tierra | indeed |
| 18:08.13 | beandog | you only need a shirt for online meetings |
| 18:08.33 | beandog | what they can't see won't hurt them |
| 18:09.01 | shalkie | beandog: A good focus headshot and you probably don't need a shirt. |
| 18:09.07 | shalkie | s/focus/focused/ |
| 18:11.55 | ninnypants | for offline docs I've started using Dash |
| 18:12.23 | ninnypants | http://kapeli.com/dash |
| 18:13.19 | clintberry | I use dash too |
| 18:13.23 | clintberry | it is nice |
| 18:14.28 | clintberry | general employment question: I have an employment agreement in front of me with a section on Inventions and it is asking me to list all my inventions. It also says if I invent anything while working at this company and don't tell them about it they can take it. Is that normal? |
| 18:15.15 | beandog | I certainly would never tell them things I "invented" |
| 18:15.25 | beandog | and if you invent it while working on their clock time, than yah, that's fair |
| 18:15.38 | beandog | well |
| 18:15.41 | beandog | maybe not "fair" |
| 18:15.42 | beandog | but reasonable. |
| 18:16.39 | clintberry | but the agreement basically says while i am employed there |
| 18:16.42 | clintberry | I do things every night |
| 18:16.46 | clintberry | home automation |
| 18:16.52 | clintberry | KSL scraping |
| 18:16.53 | beandog | I'd ask them to clarify |
| 18:16.54 | clintberry | etc |
| 18:17.05 | clintberry | I hate employment agreements. |
| 18:17.06 | beandog | Seriously |
| 18:17.11 | beandog | Just do what all good devs do. Ignore it. |
| 18:17.22 | clintberry | it is Ycombinator |
| 18:17.25 | clintberry | can't ignore it |
| 18:17.33 | beandog | sign 'Guy Fawkes' |
| 18:17.36 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 18:22.19 | ninnypants | clintberry: are you applying? |
| 18:22.34 | clintberry | we fly down for interviews next week |
| 18:22.48 | clintberry | ninnypants: ^ |
| 18:23.32 | ninnypants | I would ask them to clarify since as far as I could tell with ycombinator you don't technically work for them they invest for a share of the company |
| 18:23.48 | romanovic | clintberry: "Since we realize (in fact, expect) that good programmers will also be working on stuff of their own, the assignment of intellectual property of course allows anyone to exempt a list of side projects unrelated to the company." http://ycombinator.com/documents.html |
| 18:24.22 | ninnypants | I've run into a section like that before on contracts though and haven't signed because it was way too broad |
| 18:25.09 | clintberry | good link, romanovic. I guess I will just give them my list, and then it looks like I can get approval to add to it at any time |
| 18:25.47 | clintberry | but when I work for a phone company that uses open source technologies, I definitely have over a dozen side projects having to do with phones |
| 18:25.49 | ninnypants | just make sure you add things to the list before you start doing any real work I would think |
| 18:26.00 | clintberry | sounds like good advice. Thanks guys |
| 18:31.19 | tierra | supposedly Illinois has a "Employee Patent Act" that protects employees from contracts like this with overly broad invention ownership claims, ensuring that ones that claim ownership to inventions that are even completely unrelated to the company still can't claim ownership on unrelated inventions... I'm not what other states have along those lines |
| 18:31.49 | tierra | doesn't look like Ycombinator's contract is that overly broad though... seems to stick to "related" inventions |
| 18:33.08 | clintberry | it does say related. That is comforting |
| 18:33.16 | tierra | in any case, those pre-employment invention lists can only help you, not hurt... it only hurts when it comes to potentially adding new items past employment when they have the chance to deny the addition and claim ownership |
| 18:34.49 | tierra | can't say I've ever known anyone that's had to fight with an issue related to that though :/ |
| 18:36.15 | tierra | in my experience, people tend to be more heavily concerned with (and affected by) non-compete contracts |
| 18:36.51 | josephscott | clintberry: check with a lawyer, but I believe California labor code states that work done on your own, with your own equipment, etc. belongs to you |
| 18:37.08 | josephscott | unless of course this is the east coast Ycomb, then all bets are off :-) |
| 18:37.40 | josephscott | the YComb folks should be smart enough to already be aware of it, bring it up with them, explain the situation, ask them what they recommend |
| 18:38.29 | DexterTheDragon | isn't the contract between clintberry and whatever startup he works for, and not Ycomb. Ycomb just requires the startup to have proper paperwork right? |
| 18:39.11 | josephscott | I would imagine, but I've never looked at the Ycomb paperwork and process, so can't say for sure |
| 18:41.54 | clintberry | DexterTheDragon: Yes, that is true. BUt when I started here I told my boss I wasn't signing anything :-) |
| 18:42.05 | clintberry | now it seems I will probably have to |
| 18:42.09 | clintberry | well, no |
| 18:42.16 | clintberry | only if we get in. So odds are I won't have to |
| 18:42.21 | DexterTheDragon | should have signed something saying you wouldn't sign anything |
| 18:46.57 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 18:52.00 | ninnypants | clintberry: seems like you have a lot of faith in the company ;) |
| 18:52.05 | romanovic | This is the sad state of software patentability in the US. Instead of focusing on their most important resources (founders/developers and their innovation) which are in reality scarce, companies lock down broad ideas to make products and services artificially scarce |
| 18:55.52 | romanovic | investors will be more interested if you can round up a pool of IP and assert your company's right to sell its own products :/ |
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| 18:57.04 | clintberry | ninnypants: ha ha, I do believe the company. just not in Ycombinator seeing the vision. |
| 18:59.43 | josephscott | romanovic: there are legit legal concerns, the trick is to avoid letting a company cast a net that covers every conceivable thing and instead be more reasonable |
| 19:00.48 | josephscott | it is less work for the company to just say we own you and anything you might do |
| 19:00.58 | josephscott | so they tend to lean that direction |
| 19:04.37 | romanovic | josephscott: there are legal concerns, but only because the same laws that let us stake out our "inventions" for defensive purposes also allow trolls to extort money or legally bludgeon us to death, with the government's blessing |
| 19:05.22 | josephscott | some of it is as simple as ownership |
| 19:05.24 | unum | I just used html canvas to map my postgres database |
| 19:09.04 | romanovic | i don't believe the concept of ownership over physical property translates to IP |
| 19:09.34 | josephscott | someone can't own source code to software? |
| 19:10.12 | josephscott | I think that would definitely put you on the extreme end of the spectrum :-) |
| 19:11.27 | romanovic | i believe you can own your source code. i think someone else can't come along and declare ownership over your software because it implements their patented idea, even if you came up with it completely independently, but that is exactly what US patent law allows to happen |
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| 19:14.29 | josephscott | romanovic: ah, I'm talking about simple ownership, like I work for company Y, they own the software that they pay me to write |
| 19:16.51 | romanovic | and i agree that is reasonable. i think that ownership would look different if patents no longer existed |
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| 19:18.30 | romanovic | s/patents/software patents/ |
| 19:18.44 | unum | you should probably avoid using the term IP. It does have a defined legal definition, but most people don't know it |
| 19:19.33 | ninnypants | unum: what's the legal definition? |
| 19:22.06 | josephscott | http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/index.html ? |
| 19:29.00 | fungus | romanovic, the term ownership refers to copyright, which is not the same thing as a patent. A patent claim cannot revoke your ownership (copyright) over the code. It can only block your distribution of your code. |
| 19:32.56 | fungus | One can own a patent on an idea, a copyright on code that implements an idea, or both. Not owning a patent on an idea implemented by your code is dangerous, not because it makes you no longer own the code, but because it severely restricts how you can use your code. |
| 19:33.18 | romanovic | fungus: i think you're right as far as the patent claim - someone can't expropriate your code, they can just prevent you from using it commercially (or in the case of trolls, fleece you for using it commercially) |
| 19:33.29 | fungus | exactly |
| 19:34.14 | fungus | Unfortunately in the software world, any piece of code could possibly cover hundreds or more different ideas that may or may not be patented or patentable. |
| 19:35.20 | romanovic | in the software world, it is impossible to avoid crossing ideas that are technically already patented |
| 19:35.53 | josephscott | if we are just talking about software patents, yeah, I'm about at the point where we just throw them all out |
| 19:37.03 | fungus | I personally believe it is impossible to reform software patent rules to make it sustainable. It's just the nature of software that makes patents extremely difficult to define. |
| 19:37.47 | fungus | patent reform will not solve the issue. Eliminating software patents will. |
| 19:39.09 | romanovic | agreed. its more than just an issue of extreme inconvenience, there are inherent problems with the concept of software patents |
| 19:46.12 | unum | ninnypants: copyrights, patent, and trademarks |
| 19:47.56 | unum | so a law firm may specialize is those three parts of the law and be an "ip firm" |
| 19:48.22 | unum | though most likely they'll have indidvidual lawyers that specialize it each of those three sets of laws |
| 19:48.40 | unum | $110 to have fedex print my database map |
| 19:49.08 | mgeary | i need to buy a new server. Anyone have a good source they want to recommend before i go to dell.com? |
| 19:50.41 | unum | poshelectronics |
| 19:50.49 | unum | though they just sell supermicro |
| 19:57.47 | mgeary | anyone second that? Anyone like anything local? |
| 19:57.57 | mgeary | ah, that is local |
| 19:58.09 | mgeary | if you're in *Logan*. Psh. Who lives in Logan?! |
| 19:58.23 | fungus | lol, no one that matters. ;) |
| 19:58.51 | mgeary | seriously |
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| 20:41.10 | ninnypants | apparently the oversite the NSA is supposed to have isn't well funded enough to provide oversight https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131106/17060025156/inspector-general-intelligence-community-rejects-congress-request-to-investigate-nsa.shtml |
| 20:54.48 | unum | I used to live in Logan |
| 20:54.55 | unum | he comes down to slc frequently |
| 20:55.10 | unum | so he's often dropped off my equipment |
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| 23:34.04 | SunSparc | josephscott (or even supernovia): How does WP do their sub-domain redirects? A record, CNAME, or prorietary redirect? |
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| 23:34.36 | josephscott | I think as long as they point to the right IP address WP doesn't really care |
| 23:34.43 | josephscott | or are you asking about WordPress.com specifically? |
| 23:35.11 | SunSparc | In other words, if I have blogname.wordpress.com and I decided to host my blog on my own server and pay WP to redirect to my server. |
| 23:35.33 | josephscott | ohhhhhhhh |
| 23:35.37 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 23:36.10 | josephscott | seems like had a support doc about that some where .... |
| 23:36.33 | josephscott | supernovia does guided transfers off of WordPress.com, she might know off the top of her head |
| 23:36.34 | SunSparc | Yeah, I was just googling for something but have not come across it yet... |
| 23:36.34 | supernovia | You just want to redirect whatever.wordpress.com to yournewselfhostedsite.com yeah? |
| 23:36.50 | SunSparc | supernovia: Yep |
| 23:36.56 | supernovia | There's a redirect upgrade for that |
| 23:37.45 | SunSparc | Yeah, do you know the technical details of that redirect? |
| 23:38.19 | josephscott | this one - http://en.support.wordpress.com/site-redirect/ I think |
| 23:38.21 | SunSparc | Are they setting up DNS records or just creating a web server redirect? |
| 23:38.59 | supernovia | I believe it just redirects from the wordpress.com subdomain to the domain |
| 23:39.19 | supernovia | Then, as long as you have the same permalink structure at the new host, you're golden |
| 23:39.51 | SunSparc | Ok, that is what I assumed, because it is the easiest to set up from a sysadmin perspective. |
| 23:40.17 | SunSparc | I have a brother who I am helping do this very thing. |
| 23:41.41 | SunSparc | Yep, that answers my question. Thanks! |
| 23:41.52 | SunSparc | ~supernovia++ |
| 23:41.57 | SunSparc | ~josephscott++ |
| 23:42.10 | supernovia | no problem at all :) Cheers |
| 23:44.16 | SunSparc | :D |
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